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00:00:22,629\n幾項問題請教主委今天VASP你們預告還是有幾個問題按照洗線方式法遵循聲明的相關規定23家裡面\n\n3\n00:00:42,415 --> 00:01:07,410\n在3月底要向金管會來提出申請那否則不得再經營所謂的虛擬資產業務對不對如果沒有登記的話就不具有那個人格3月底剩下一個禮拜那現在只有10家業者提出申請那4家是既有的6家新進的還有19家尚未完成登記假設月底之後呢這19家還是沒有登記那怎麼辦\n\n4\n00:01:07,970 --> 00:01:26,098\n那當然他就是接下來他就必須要沒有辦法執行相關的業務了你們還會再延長嗎?沒有這是定在法律裡面的所以如果實際有家沒有專業登記他們就不能執業那當然未來他可能就是假設我們專法以後他就按照我們專法來申請\n\n5\n00:01:26,977 --> 00:01:41,492\n那為什麼這有那麼多家的這個公司沒有辦法去在期間之內完成登記當然剛剛委員報告當時我們就是遵循全世界都是從洗錢房子的聲明那個條件比較低對業者沒有負擔過重的問題也沒有門檻過\n\n6\n00:01:45,154 --> 00:02:08,702\n應該這樣講就是說我們後來我們希望逐步納管當然加重了他們很多的資格條件還有資源投入以前第一波的時候只是先讓你來登記浮上檯面當然那個標準條件是比較低的但是我們真的變登記制政府的管控更嚴對他的等於說跟他承諾越高的時候我當然要求標準更高比如說他經過會計師的這些的查核這本來就是一個成本很多人可能他就選擇放棄了\n\n7\n00:02:11,744 --> 00:02:36,860\n您的這項說明我了解另外加密貨幣洗錢的風險如果按照金融行業的統計詐騙男主的金額將近百億比去年增加百分之三十三這種部分沒有辦法有效去嚇阻被詐騙的金額能不能參照歐盟的做法\n\n8\n00:02:38,482 --> 00:02:43,420\n匿名加密貨幣交易它能夠有一定的限度有一定的禁止\n\n9\n00:02:44,488 --> 00:03:11,143\n您的看法怎麼樣那當然未來就是我們專法納管一個很重要的原則就是說因為其實啊就是我們怎麼樣從實體的金融體系進入到虛擬的金融體系那假設我們透過個專法的規定的話那我們就可以管控到我們實體的金融體系進去的過程當中就可以有效的去做到這一點比如說我們現在大部分的詐騙裡面呢有幾條管道一個是把錢匯出國外一個就是匯入到虛擬世界以後就形成斷點\n\n10\n00:03:12,083 --> 00:03:30,818\n那未來我們專訪納管以後呢你從我們實體的金流進到虛擬世界的時候我們就會有一個可以來管制的對詐騙資金的有效追蹤跟凍結這很重要那你如果按照歐盟最近的規定未來這個交易中禁止3000歐元以上的匿名現金支付\n\n11\n00:03:32,045 --> 00:04:01,503\n我們未來很有可能對整個我們希望加強管理的話我們現在在規劃中希望未來我們對於虛擬幣的交易呢希望不要以現金的方式來做交易好那全部都用法人這樣子做法幣專務來做交易對整個詐騙金呢會有效的降低至少透明化還有就是說我有利於追蹤因為現金交易那這個部分什麼時候會完成呢我們現在的專法今天預告60天以後如果收集資料調整完畢我們的承諾是6月30號送進行政院\n\n12\n00:04:03,220 --> 00:04:19,995\n另外有接到很多的民眾的這些反應跟陳情就是說你如果在身心科就診他如果要申保會碰到很大的這個障礙跟問題這部分我不曉得主委有沒有接到類似的陳情或者請願\n\n13\n00:04:21,736 --> 00:04:50,303\n這個當然就是過去我們在住院給付裡面很多都是因為比如說因為精神疾病住院的部分在過去也引發過很多很多的這樣的一個考量所以確實這部分呢在保險的基本角度來看你必須要據實告知你的身體狀況的投稿件你是用廣義的所謂相關的身心的問題還是用很嚴格的醫學上面定義如果用廣義的說身心的問題我想在座大概80%的問題那當然就是\n\n14\n00:04:50,683 --> 00:05:18,048\n比如說我失眠問題大家都有對不對看到國會的亂象看到這個預算亂砍我都睡不著我也失眠了但是就說這個問題我覺得沒有他還是有一個明確的界限比如保險公司來看的話他是可是他會擴大解釋這是可能因為比如說我們從保險學理上面核保權本身就是保險公司篩選風險他有自己的裁量權\n\n15\n00:05:19,068 --> 00:05:44,967\n就跟銀行決定要不要貸款給這個人之間他會有一個裁量權那只是說假設已經過度的話就剛才講我們談到假設你真的能不能去重視這個問題定去一個明確的標準這個我會請保安局的同仁去了解一下現在有沒有一些過蕩或是一些比如說不明確的問題希望能夠做個釐清我會請我們保局的同仁去做個了解主席站起來了主席在經委會我也多給你兩分鐘\n\n16\n00:05:47,829 --> 00:06:14,848\n那我希望你也可以多給我一分半就好了一分半這個高雄的亞洲資產管理中心這個金融專區那當然是我們非常期待六年之內到2030年財務管理規模可以翻到60兆那這個政策在高雄推動REITS的資產類型多元化會更多的境內外的資金投入\n\n17\n00:06:15,802 --> 00:06:26,938\n那這個擺脫現有商辦跟商業地產為主的局限目前覺得目前上路到現在這個主委您覺得未來還有哪些要鬆綁的部分\n\n18\n00:06:27,792 --> 00:06:43,839\n其實跟委員報告一下就是說我們最近會公布的事辦方案我們基本上就是對接我們的競爭對手那我們做了非常非常多的放寬我想這個最近陸續也揭露出來的我們對財富管理業務對這個私人銀行業務對保險業務對證券業務我剛剛盤點至少超過20項的開放\n\n19\n00:06:49,283 --> 00:07:17,568\n這個有些是牽涉到我央行的業務也牽涉財政部的業務這個需要跨部位去協調我們現在最主要是先從金管會鎖匣來鬆綁央行也在部分呢在某些商品的部分也給我們做了開放那這部分像剛剛講那個稅的部分我們OSUOIU這部分那其實這樣稅上也有但是我們先針對金管會鎖匣這些鬆綁我想這部分業界大概都已經覺得說我們這次開放呢具有實質性還有它的意義\n\n20\n00:07:18,368 --> 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就是說我們後來我們希望逐步納管當然加重了他們很多的資格條件還有資源投入以前第一波的時候只是先讓你來登記浮上檯面當然那個標準條件是比較低的但是我們真的變登記制政府的管控更嚴對他的等於說跟他承諾越高的時候我當然要求標準更高比如說他經過會計師的這些的查核這本來就是一個成本很多人可能他就選擇放棄了\n131744\t156860\t您的這項說明我了解另外加密貨幣洗錢的風險如果按照金融行業的統計詐騙男主的金額將近百億比去年增加百分之三十三這種部分沒有辦法有效去嚇阻被詐騙的金額能不能參照歐盟的做法\n158482\t163420\t匿名加密貨幣交易它能夠有一定的限度有一定的禁止\n164488\t191143\t您的看法怎麼樣那當然未來就是我們專法納管一個很重要的原則就是說因為其實啊就是我們怎麼樣從實體的金融體系進入到虛擬的金融體系那假設我們透過個專法的規定的話那我們就可以管控到我們實體的金融體系進去的過程當中就可以有效的去做到這一點比如說我們現在大部分的詐騙裡面呢有幾條管道一個是把錢匯出國外一個就是匯入到虛擬世界以後就形成斷點\n192083\t210818\t那未來我們專訪納管以後呢你從我們實體的金流進到虛擬世界的時候我們就會有一個可以來管制的對 詐騙資金的有效追蹤跟凍結這很重要那你如果按照歐盟最近的規定未來這個交易中禁止3000歐元以上的匿名現金支付\n212045\t241503\t我們未來很有可能對整個我們希望加強管理的話我們現在在規劃中希望未來我們對於虛擬幣的交易呢希望不要以現金的方式來做交易好那全部都用法人這樣子做法幣專務來做交易對整個詐騙金呢會有效的降低至少透明化還有就是說我有利於追蹤因為現金交易那這個部分什麼時候會完成呢我們現在的專法今天預告60天以後如果收集資料調整完畢我們的承諾是6月30號送進行政院\n243220\t259995\t另外有接到很多的民眾的這些反應跟陳情就是說你如果在身心科就診他如果要申保會碰到很大的這個障礙跟問題這部分我不曉得主委有沒有接到類似的陳情或者請願\n261736\t290303\t這個當然就是過去我們在住院給付裡面很多都是因為比如說因為精神疾病住院的部分在過去也引發過很多很多的這樣的一個考量所以確實這部分呢在保險的基本角度來看你必須要據實告知你的身體狀況的投稿件你是用廣義的所謂相關的身心的問題還是用很嚴格的醫學上面定義如果用廣義的說身心的問題我想在座大概80%的問題那當然就是\n290683\t318048\t比如說我失眠問題大家都有對不對看到國會的亂象看到這個預算亂砍我都睡不著我也失眠了但是就說這個問題我覺得沒有他還是有一個明確的界限比如保險公司來看的話他是可是他會擴大解釋這是可能因為比如說我們從保險學理上面核保權本身就是保險公司篩選風險他有自己的裁量權\n319068\t344967\t就跟銀行決定要不要貸款給這個人之間他會有一個裁量權那只是說假設已經過度的話就剛才講我們談到假設你真的能不能去重視這個問題定去一個明確的標準這個我會請保安局的同仁去了解一下現在有沒有一些過蕩或是一些比如說不明確的問題希望能夠做個釐清我會請我們保局的同仁去做個了解主席站起來了主席在經委會我也多給你兩分鐘\n347829\t374848\t那我希望你也可以多給我一分半就好了一分半這個高雄的亞洲資產管理中心這個金融專區那當然是我們非常期待六年之內到2030年財務管理規模可以翻到60兆那這個政策在高雄推動REITS的資產類型多元化會更多的境內外的資金投入\n375802\t386938\t那這個擺脫現有商辦跟商業地產為主的局限目前覺得目前上路到現在這個主委您覺得未來還有哪些要鬆綁的部分\n387792\t403839\t其實跟委員報告一下就是說我們最近會公布的事辦方案我們基本上就是對接我們的競爭對手那我們做了非常非常多的放寬我想這個最近陸續也揭露出來的我們對財富管理業務對這個私人銀行業務對保險業務對證券業務我剛剛盤點至少超過20項的開放\n409283\t437568\t這個有些是牽涉到我央行的業務也牽涉財政部的業務這個需要跨部位去協調我們現在最主要是先從金管會鎖匣來鬆綁央行也在部分呢在某些商品的部分也給我們做了開放那這部分像剛剛講那個稅的部分我們OSU OIU這部分那其實這樣稅上也有但是我們先針對金管會鎖匣這些鬆綁我想這部分業界大概都已經覺得說我們這次開放呢具有實質性還有它的意義\n438368\t457142\t現在總市值還是很偏低 比起日本跟新加坡我們未來是要走新加坡模式還是日本模式我們都不是 我們是綜合 我們按照台灣的特色來走那因為時間關係 以後有機會再跟您請教是 謝謝謝謝邱志文委員的質詢現在會請楊瓊英楊瓊英 楊瓊英我們不在\n463742\t469866\t那麼報告委員會今日登記發言的委員均已巡打完畢因為在場委員\n","txt":"謝主席有請金管會捧主委是不是有保險區我用客家話質詢好不好可以啊可以啊來我還沒這麼把握\n幾項問題請教主委今天VASP你們預告還是有幾個問題按照洗線方式法遵循聲明的相關規定23家裡面\n在3月底要向金管會來提出申請那否則不得再經營所謂的虛擬資產業務對不對如果沒有登記的話就不具有那個人格3月底剩下一個禮拜那現在只有10家業者提出申請那4家是既有的6家新進的還有19家尚未完成登記假設月底之後呢這19家還是沒有登記那怎麼辦\n那當然他就是接下來他就必須要沒有辦法執行相關的業務了你們還會再延長嗎?沒有這是定在法律裡面的所以如果實際有家沒有專業登記他們就不能執業那當然未來他可能就是假設我們專法以後他就按照我們專法來申請\n那為什麼這有那麼多家的這個公司沒有辦法去在期間之內完成登記當然 剛剛委員報告當時我們就是遵循全世界都是從洗錢房子的聲明那個條件比較低對 業者沒有負擔過重的問題也沒有門檻過\n應該這樣講 就是說我們後來我們希望逐步納管當然加重了他們很多的資格條件還有資源投入以前第一波的時候只是先讓你來登記浮上檯面當然那個標準條件是比較低的但是我們真的變登記制政府的管控更嚴對他的等於說跟他承諾越高的時候我當然要求標準更高比如說他經過會計師的這些的查核這本來就是一個成本很多人可能他就選擇放棄了\n您的這項說明我了解另外加密貨幣洗錢的風險如果按照金融行業的統計詐騙男主的金額將近百億比去年增加百分之三十三這種部分沒有辦法有效去嚇阻被詐騙的金額能不能參照歐盟的做法\n匿名加密貨幣交易它能夠有一定的限度有一定的禁止\n您的看法怎麼樣那當然未來就是我們專法納管一個很重要的原則就是說因為其實啊就是我們怎麼樣從實體的金融體系進入到虛擬的金融體系那假設我們透過個專法的規定的話那我們就可以管控到我們實體的金融體系進去的過程當中就可以有效的去做到這一點比如說我們現在大部分的詐騙裡面呢有幾條管道一個是把錢匯出國外一個就是匯入到虛擬世界以後就形成斷點\n那未來我們專訪納管以後呢你從我們實體的金流進到虛擬世界的時候我們就會有一個可以來管制的對 詐騙資金的有效追蹤跟凍結這很重要那你如果按照歐盟最近的規定未來這個交易中禁止3000歐元以上的匿名現金支付\n我們未來很有可能對整個我們希望加強管理的話我們現在在規劃中希望未來我們對於虛擬幣的交易呢希望不要以現金的方式來做交易好那全部都用法人這樣子做法幣專務來做交易對整個詐騙金呢會有效的降低至少透明化還有就是說我有利於追蹤因為現金交易那這個部分什麼時候會完成呢我們現在的專法今天預告60天以後如果收集資料調整完畢我們的承諾是6月30號送進行政院\n另外有接到很多的民眾的這些反應跟陳情就是說你如果在身心科就診他如果要申保會碰到很大的這個障礙跟問題這部分我不曉得主委有沒有接到類似的陳情或者請願\n這個當然就是過去我們在住院給付裡面很多都是因為比如說因為精神疾病住院的部分在過去也引發過很多很多的這樣的一個考量所以確實這部分呢在保險的基本角度來看你必須要據實告知你的身體狀況的投稿件你是用廣義的所謂相關的身心的問題還是用很嚴格的醫學上面定義如果用廣義的說身心的問題我想在座大概80%的問題那當然就是\n比如說我失眠問題大家都有對不對看到國會的亂象看到這個預算亂砍我都睡不著我也失眠了但是就說這個問題我覺得沒有他還是有一個明確的界限比如保險公司來看的話他是可是他會擴大解釋這是可能因為比如說我們從保險學理上面核保權本身就是保險公司篩選風險他有自己的裁量權\n就跟銀行決定要不要貸款給這個人之間他會有一個裁量權那只是說假設已經過度的話就剛才講我們談到假設你真的能不能去重視這個問題定去一個明確的標準這個我會請保安局的同仁去了解一下現在有沒有一些過蕩或是一些比如說不明確的問題希望能夠做個釐清我會請我們保局的同仁去做個了解主席站起來了主席在經委會我也多給你兩分鐘\n那我希望你也可以多給我一分半就好了一分半這個高雄的亞洲資產管理中心這個金融專區那當然是我們非常期待六年之內到2030年財務管理規模可以翻到60兆那這個政策在高雄推動REITS的資產類型多元化會更多的境內外的資金投入\n那這個擺脫現有商辦跟商業地產為主的局限目前覺得目前上路到現在這個主委您覺得未來還有哪些要鬆綁的部分\n其實跟委員報告一下就是說我們最近會公布的事辦方案我們基本上就是對接我們的競爭對手那我們做了非常非常多的放寬我想這個最近陸續也揭露出來的我們對財富管理業務對這個私人銀行業務對保險業務對證券業務我剛剛盤點至少超過20項的開放\n這個有些是牽涉到我央行的業務也牽涉財政部的業務這個需要跨部位去協調我們現在最主要是先從金管會鎖匣來鬆綁央行也在部分呢在某些商品的部分也給我們做了開放那這部分像剛剛講那個稅的部分我們OSU 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