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00:00:54,050\n那我們也知道農業金庫裡面將近有7000億的存款所以由農業部指派專業的獨立董事來做好監理以及管理整個農業金庫的運作我想這件事真要緊但是民眾黨忽然提出說他們希望要改變農業金庫獨董的一個提名\n\n3\n00:00:56,543 --> 00:01:16,445\n這讓我很高興那我也想請教一下部長你怎麼看待現在立法院有這樣的一個提案我跟委員報告就是農業金庫是整個我們農業信用部的上位的一個銀行那他肩負了非常多的重要的政策的推動的執行者包括我們所有的農業的專案貸款\n\n4\n00:01:18,427 --> 00:01:47,099\n這個部分還有銀行各地銀行的轉存款然後他去投資的部分所以相對的他是穩定台灣農業的金融非常重要的一個公司那他本身的董事裡面現在公股的部分有六席我們農業部主導的有六席民股的有四席那獨立董事五席可是相對的以他們的提案的理由是說農會有沒有希望有他的一個\n\n5\n00:01:47,879 --> 00:02:14,298\n固定的一個推薦那相對的現在目前15席董事裡面其實農會的代表已經有9席了啦其實有適當的代表權了可是非常重要的喔各位都知道農會本身它每幾年就會做改選它有一些不穩定性那如果農業金庫獨立董事用推選的方式不是由農業部推薦的方式的話很有可能經營權\n\n6\n00:02:16,540 --> 00:02:32,515\n就會被一些農會拿走那相對的經營區拿走其實對國家的農業的這個金融是一個災難所以你講的重點啦說重點是農業金庫他的持股我們農業部有持股當然各個農會也都有持股\n\n7\n00:02:33,015 --> 00:02:53,688\n但是重點在於說農會它是基層在基層的話它的一些專業判斷難免會有所偏頗所以我們比較需要農業部要做這個專業的然後做一個比較上位階的因為這是管理整個借款的農業金庫7000億的借款所以我覺得這件事非同小可知識體大\n\n8\n00:02:54,528 --> 00:03:11,197\n所以要好好去正視這個對我想我們也會持續跟委員各個委員溝通啦因為農業金庫它不像一般的銀行它對穩定我們農業金融是有非常重要的很多人不瞭解以為說獨立董事因為照規定他也不需要齁就是有他的提名權嘛\n\n9\n00:03:12,057 --> 00:03:27,252\n那我們也很願意接受人家的推薦我們一起來努力我想部長一旦農民或者是農企業一旦有需要的時候我想農業部都是很贊成利用農業金庫的這一些資金然後給他們借貸給他們讓他們去發展他們的農企業我想這是農業金庫跟農業部共同的一個意志啊我們有曾經說農民或農企業要借款的時候我們很惡意的刁難我想應該也不會這樣\n\n10\n00:03:36,901 --> 00:04:02,058\n那如果在這個前提之下我們除了發展農業接下來要監管這些預算這台車也很危險對所以相對農業金庫的經營權就非常重要啦你如果沒有這個經營權的話以後農業的金融的措施就如果不配合的時候那所有的金融的所有的我們金融的一個支持給農民的這些支持完全就會被別人所掌控啦\n\n11\n00:04:02,824 --> 00:04:31,731\n好那接下來我再問第二個議題這個議題一樣是就是民眾黨我不知道他為什麼一直要針對針對我們農業部來的他們現在說要剪裂農業部的特別收入基金就是你早上在報告的時候你說因為他們剪裂了這個特別基金那一旦我們的農業部的基金預算一旦被剪裂的話就沒有辦法動之第二預備金來做\n\n12\n00:04:33,331 --> 00:04:51,703\n接下來的一些如果資金不足的時候有辦法動資所以你有講到說啊剛才天然災害啊今年災害比較嚴重的時候有可能我們就沒有辦法動資預備金來協助農民度過天然災害我想這個事情有夠嚴重我們就要從今天開始我們就要開始小聲拜拜開始拜託眾生民我們媽祖婆一定要台灣放掉巫孫\n\n13\n00:04:59,825 --> 00:05:26,224\n出現災害我預備金不夠部長去年大概動用預備金協助農民大概花了多少錢我們平均每一年動用就是操資我想操資的部分平均大概30億到50億那天然災害我們去年操資多了就是40億那這40億就是由行政院來協助提供其中有一部分是用二倍金給我們\n\n14\n00:05:26,604 --> 00:05:55,112\n所以那一年如果知道像去年3個紅胎嘛3個紅胎所以就有40億嘛對不對那很明顯是不夠預算額不夠不夠需要用二倍金來協助對二倍金或其他的那現在問題很大耶你說因為他簡略砍了九千萬九千萬雖然起來是砍不多但是他影響的結果就是預算法第22條第二項不得動之欲備金那怎麼辦啦所以這個部分因為已經\n\n15\n00:05:56,132 --> 00:05:56,915\n已經成了\n\n16\n00:05:57,842 --> 00:06:25,658\n最後就是已經刪了嘛那現在唯一的就是說我們真的不夠的時候我們還是會向行政院爭取看除了第二預備金以外還有沒有其他的經費啦那經費有什麼就不能用預備金啦對啊其他經費不就要再用特別預算那有可能就是同意我們先借資啦就是用農債基金去借啦因為農民如果受損的話我想政府的承諾一定要做到這很嚴重欸政府的承諾不能跳掉這很嚴重欸當然說嘛沒風災\n\n17\n00:06:27,779 --> 00:06:45,887\n阿沒有天然災害最好啦阿我先災害阿農業部當然要趕快幫助農民阿還有一個重點阿所以這個砍預算這個嚴重在這裡阿除了天然災害以後還有部長你早上你只是輕輕去點到可是花一天我就知道說喔這事情大條對還有一個很重要的產銷調節啦產銷調節也在基金\n\n18\n00:06:48,988 --> 00:07:07,097\n在執行那每一年的產銷調節我們也是也是操之因為有時候那個產量太多的時候我們做一些調節的部分嘛所以這個部分喔都是跟農民的權益他的一個生活的支持跟他的所得都有相對的影響啊產銷調節也要來一家不能當預備金這樣站起來就越嚴重啦產銷調節需要的是很多錢耶\n\n19\n00:07:13,271 --> 00:07:29,378\n很多所有的基金都用到啦肥料的補助啦我覺得現在很多人都輕描淡寫說喔農業部預算總額有增加所以砍預算沒有差農業部預算總額增加是你們的法定支出增加吧\n\n20\n00:07:30,612 --> 00:07:44,925\n你們對農民的照顧啊包括說他們的一些保險啊農業災害的法定支出那部分是增加的啊農業部從農委會升格為農業部那時候所有的委員都希望說升格了以後\n\n21\n00:07:46,166 --> 00:08:12,805\n爭取更多的機會為我們的農業的基礎建設跟我們的福利做照顧所以我們在去年我們平均去年的部分我們增加了80億那今年我們也預計增加了80億結果被刪掉剩下63億這63億是新的工作不是說我們都不做事就憑供增加了以後給你刪我們是增加很多新的工作而這個新的工作被刪了20億以後其實就變成\n\n22\n00:08:14,624 --> 00:08:20,907\n卡在那邊了所以部長我透過這個資訊我就是覺得說我們農業部一定為了農民這事情已經不是說加以生問題這是為了農民農民是需要這條錢你現在人家台積高清高清滿英雄高的是後面的40億後面賭到財海沒辦法用到財海的第二餘倍金\n\n23\n00:08:37,782 --> 00:08:52,439\n所以這為了農民,我們這件事要公清澈,要謹慎辦法,好不好?我看起來他們也不可能啊,現在看起來國民黨,我們副議也沒過啊,希望重新討論也沒辦法啊,好不好?部長,所以這是為了農民,這件事要謹慎辦法,好不好?好,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6852\t10915\t好 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我想我們也會持續跟委員各個委員溝通啦因為農業金庫它不像一般的銀行它對穩定我們農業金融是有非常重要的很多人不瞭解以為說獨立董事因為照規定他也不需要齁就是有他的提名權嘛\n192057\t207252\t那我們也很願意接受人家的推薦我們一起來努力我想部長一旦農民或者是農企業一旦有需要的時候我想農業部都是很贊成利用農業金庫的這一些資金然後給他們借貸給他們讓他們去發展他們的農企業我想這是農業金庫跟農業部共同的一個意志啊我們有曾經說農民或農企業要借款的時候我們很惡意的刁難我想應該也不會這樣\n216901\t242058\t那如果在這個前提之下我們除了發展農業 接下來要監管這些預算這台車也很危險對 所以相對農業金庫的經營權就非常重要啦你如果沒有這個經營權的話以後農業的金融的措施就如果不配合的時候那所有的金融的所有的我們金融的一個支持給農民的這些支持完全就會被別人所掌控啦\n242824\t271731\t好那接下來我再問第二個議題這個議題一樣是就是民眾黨我不知道他為什麼一直要針對針對我們農業部來的他們現在說要剪裂農業部的特別收入基金就是你早上在報告的時候你說因為他們剪裂了這個特別基金那一旦我們的農業部的基金預算一旦被剪裂的話就沒有辦法動之第二預備金來做\n273331\t291703\t接下來的一些 如果資金不足的時候有辦法動資所以你有講到說啊 剛才天然災害啊 今年災害比較嚴重的時候有可能我們就沒有辦法動資預備金來協助農民度過天然災害我想這個事情有夠嚴重我們就要從今天開始 我們就要開始小聲拜拜開始拜託眾生民 我們媽祖婆一定要台灣放掉巫孫\n299825\t326224\t出現災害我預備金不夠部長去年大概動用預備金協助農民大概花了多少錢我們平均每一年動用就是操資我想操資的部分平均大概30億到50億那天然災害我們去年操資多了就是40億那這40億就是由行政院來協助提供其中有一部分是用二倍金給我們\n326604\t355112\t所以那一年如果知道像去年3個紅胎嘛3個紅胎所以就有40億嘛對不對那很明顯是不夠預算額不夠不夠需要用二倍金來協助對二倍金或其他的那現在問題很大耶你說因為他簡略砍了九千萬九千萬雖然起來是砍不多但是他影響的結果就是預算法第22條第二項不得動之欲備金那怎麼辦啦所以這個部分因為已經\n356132\t356915\t已經成了\n357842\t385658\t最後就是已經刪了嘛那現在唯一的就是說我們真的不夠的時候我們還是會向行政院爭取看除了第二預備金以外還有沒有其他的經費啦那經費有什麼就不能用預備金啦對啊其他經費不就要再用特別預算那有可能就是同意我們先借資啦就是用農債基金去借啦因為農民如果受損的話我想政府的承諾一定要做到這很嚴重欸政府的承諾不能跳掉這很嚴重欸當然說嘛沒風災\n387779\t405887\t阿沒有天然災害最好啦阿我先災害阿農業部當然要趕快幫助農民阿還有一個重點阿所以這個砍預算這個嚴重在這裡阿除了天然災害以後還有部長你早上你只是輕輕去點到可是花一天我就知道說喔這事情大條對還有一個很重要的產銷調節啦產銷調節也在基金\n408988\t427097\t在執行 那每一年的產銷調節我們也是也是操之 因為有時候那個產量太多的時候 我們做一些調節的部分嘛所以這個部分喔 都是跟農民的權益他的一個生活的支持 跟他的所得都有相對的影響啊 產銷調節也要來一家 不能當預備金 這樣站起來就越嚴重啦產銷調節需要的是很多錢耶\n433271\t449378\t很多 所有的基金都用到啦肥料的補助啦我覺得現在很多人都輕描淡寫說喔 農業部預算總額有增加所以砍預算沒有差農業部預算總額增加是你們的法定支出增加吧\n450612\t464925\t你們對農民的照顧啊包括說他們的一些保險啊農業災害的法定支出那部分是增加的啊農業部從農委會升格為農業部那時候所有的委員都希望說升格了以後\n466166\t492805\t爭取更多的機會為我們的農業的基礎建設跟我們的福利做照顧所以我們在去年我們平均去年的部分我們增加了80億那今年我們也預計增加了80億結果被刪掉剩下63億這63億是新的工作不是說我們都不做事就憑供增加了以後給你刪我們是增加很多新的工作而這個新的工作被刪了20億以後其實就變成\n494624\t500907\t卡在那邊了所以部長我透過這個資訊我就是覺得說我們農業部一定為了農民這事情已經不是說加以生問題這是為了農民農民是需要這條錢你現在人家台積高清高清滿英雄高的是後面的40億後面賭到財海沒辦法用到財海的第二餘倍金\n517782\t532439\t所以這為了農民,我們這件事要公清澈,要謹慎辦法,好不好?我看起來他們也不可能啊,現在看起來國民黨,我們副議也沒過啊,希望重新討論也沒辦法啊,好不好?部長,所以這是為了農民,這件事要謹慎辦法,好不好?好,謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝那是不是有請部長請陳部長部長好部長我看到現在立法院有一個提案是由民眾黨黨團提出的他是針對全國農業金庫獨立董事的提名他們希望去做改變\n那我們也知道農業金庫裡面將近有7000億的存款所以由農業部指派專業的獨立董事來做好監理以及管理整個農業金庫的運作我想這件事真要緊但是民眾黨忽然提出說他們希望要改變農業金庫獨董的一個提名\n這讓我很高興那我也想請教一下部長你怎麼看待現在立法院有這樣的一個提案我跟委員報告就是農業金庫是整個我們農業信用部的上位的一個銀行那他肩負了非常多的重要的政策的推動的執行者包括我們所有的農業的專案貸款\n這個部分還有銀行各地銀行的轉存款然後他去投資的部分所以相對的他是穩定台灣農業的金融非常重要的一個公司那他本身的董事裡面現在公股的部分有六席我們農業部主導的有六席民股的有四席那獨立董事五席可是相對的以他們的提案的理由是說農會有沒有希望有他的一個\n固定的一個推薦那相對的現在目前15席董事裡面其實農會的代表已經有9席了啦其實有適當的代表權了可是非常重要的喔各位都知道農會本身它每幾年就會做改選它有一些不穩定性那如果農業金庫獨立董事用推選的方式不是由農業部推薦的方式的話很有可能經營權\n就會被一些農會拿走那相對的經營區拿走其實對國家的農業的這個金融是一個災難所以你講的重點啦說重點是農業金庫他的持股我們農業部有持股當然各個農會也都有持股\n但是重點在於說農會它是基層在基層的話它的一些專業判斷難免會有所偏頗所以我們比較需要農業部要做這個專業的然後做一個比較上位階的因為這是管理整個借款的農業金庫7000億的借款所以我覺得這件事非同小可知識體大\n所以要好好去正視這個對 我想我們也會持續跟委員各個委員溝通啦因為農業金庫它不像一般的銀行它對穩定我們農業金融是有非常重要的很多人不瞭解以為說獨立董事因為照規定他也不需要齁就是有他的提名權嘛\n那我們也很願意接受人家的推薦我們一起來努力我想部長一旦農民或者是農企業一旦有需要的時候我想農業部都是很贊成利用農業金庫的這一些資金然後給他們借貸給他們讓他們去發展他們的農企業我想這是農業金庫跟農業部共同的一個意志啊我們有曾經說農民或農企業要借款的時候我們很惡意的刁難我想應該也不會這樣\n那如果在這個前提之下我們除了發展農業 接下來要監管這些預算這台車也很危險對 所以相對農業金庫的經營權就非常重要啦你如果沒有這個經營權的話以後農業的金融的措施就如果不配合的時候那所有的金融的所有的我們金融的一個支持給農民的這些支持完全就會被別人所掌控啦\n好那接下來我再問第二個議題這個議題一樣是就是民眾黨我不知道他為什麼一直要針對針對我們農業部來的他們現在說要剪裂農業部的特別收入基金就是你早上在報告的時候你說因為他們剪裂了這個特別基金那一旦我們的農業部的基金預算一旦被剪裂的話就沒有辦法動之第二預備金來做\n接下來的一些 如果資金不足的時候有辦法動資所以你有講到說啊 剛才天然災害啊 今年災害比較嚴重的時候有可能我們就沒有辦法動資預備金來協助農民度過天然災害我想這個事情有夠嚴重我們就要從今天開始 我們就要開始小聲拜拜開始拜託眾生民 我們媽祖婆一定要台灣放掉巫孫\n出現災害我預備金不夠部長去年大概動用預備金協助農民大概花了多少錢我們平均每一年動用就是操資我想操資的部分平均大概30億到50億那天然災害我們去年操資多了就是40億那這40億就是由行政院來協助提供其中有一部分是用二倍金給我們\n所以那一年如果知道像去年3個紅胎嘛3個紅胎所以就有40億嘛對不對那很明顯是不夠預算額不夠不夠需要用二倍金來協助對二倍金或其他的那現在問題很大耶你說因為他簡略砍了九千萬九千萬雖然起來是砍不多但是他影響的結果就是預算法第22條第二項不得動之欲備金那怎麼辦啦所以這個部分因為已經\n已經成了\n最後就是已經刪了嘛那現在唯一的就是說我們真的不夠的時候我們還是會向行政院爭取看除了第二預備金以外還有沒有其他的經費啦那經費有什麼就不能用預備金啦對啊其他經費不就要再用特別預算那有可能就是同意我們先借資啦就是用農債基金去借啦因為農民如果受損的話我想政府的承諾一定要做到這很嚴重欸政府的承諾不能跳掉這很嚴重欸當然說嘛沒風災\n阿沒有天然災害最好啦阿我先災害阿農業部當然要趕快幫助農民阿還有一個重點阿所以這個砍預算這個嚴重在這裡阿除了天然災害以後還有部長你早上你只是輕輕去點到可是花一天我就知道說喔這事情大條對還有一個很重要的產銷調節啦產銷調節也在基金\n在執行 那每一年的產銷調節我們也是也是操之 因為有時候那個產量太多的時候 我們做一些調節的部分嘛所以這個部分喔 都是跟農民的權益他的一個生活的支持 跟他的所得都有相對的影響啊 產銷調節也要來一家 不能當預備金 這樣站起來就越嚴重啦產銷調節需要的是很多錢耶\n很多 所有的基金都用到啦肥料的補助啦我覺得現在很多人都輕描淡寫說喔 農業部預算總額有增加所以砍預算沒有差農業部預算總額增加是你們的法定支出增加吧\n你們對農民的照顧啊包括說他們的一些保險啊農業災害的法定支出那部分是增加的啊農業部從農委會升格為農業部那時候所有的委員都希望說升格了以後\n爭取更多的機會為我們的農業的基礎建設跟我們的福利做照顧所以我們在去年我們平均去年的部分我們增加了80億那今年我們也預計增加了80億結果被刪掉剩下63億這63億是新的工作不是說我們都不做事就憑供增加了以後給你刪我們是增加很多新的工作而這個新的工作被刪了20億以後其實就變成\n卡在那邊了所以部長我透過這個資訊我就是覺得說我們農業部一定為了農民這事情已經不是說加以生問題這是為了農民農民是需要這條錢你現在人家台積高清高清滿英雄高的是後面的40億後面賭到財海沒辦法用到財海的第二餘倍金\n所以這為了農民,我們這件事要公清澈,要謹慎辦法,好不好?我看起來他們也不可能啊,現在看起來國民黨,我們副議也沒過啊,希望重新討論也沒辦法啊,好不好?部長,所以這是為了農民,這件事要謹慎辦法,好不好?好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.852 --> 00:10.915\n好謝謝那是不是有請部長請陳部長部長好部長我看到現在立法院有一個提案是由民眾黨黨團提出的他是針對全國農業金庫獨立董事的提名他們希望去做改變\n\n00:31.400 --> 00:54.050\n那我們也知道農業金庫裡面將近有7000億的存款所以由農業部指派專業的獨立董事來做好監理以及管理整個農業金庫的運作我想這件事真要緊但是民眾黨忽然提出說他們希望要改變農業金庫獨董的一個提名\n\n00:56.543 --> 01:16.445\n這讓我很高興那我也想請教一下部長你怎麼看待現在立法院有這樣的一個提案我跟委員報告就是農業金庫是整個我們農業信用部的上位的一個銀行那他肩負了非常多的重要的政策的推動的執行者包括我們所有的農業的專案貸款\n\n01:18.427 --> 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