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00:01:20,197\n國發會是作為我們整個國家發展總體規劃的核心單位那當前的國土計畫法的分區管制跟產業發展的需求之間仍有很多相當的一個矛盾那例如說地方政府反映部分的農業發展區域或者是特定地區的使用限制影響到經濟的發展那國發會你在整個因為我們延長六年\n\n5\n00:01:21,257 --> 00:01:44,693\n這個時間非常寶貴你在整個國土規劃與產業發展間你要如何的取得平衡請做說明是跟委員報告就是我們現在已經在剛剛有報告過就是六大區域的這個我們從產業角度出發跟生活圈的角度出發我們去規劃六大的這個區域發展的一個規劃\n\n6\n00:01:45,914 --> 00:02:11,944\n那這個比較從產業面出發的就是希望把經濟部產業園區國科會的科學園區這些比較大重大的那加上我覺得目前看起來是鄉村地區其實也有一些是需要有一些農業現在農業產業不同的產業能夠一起整體考量的這樣子的一個方式呢放到這個我們大的重大的國家重大的角度\n\n7\n00:02:12,644 --> 00:02:40,757\n國家發展重大的這個六大建設裡面六大區域發展裡面不是你講到重點國家發展重大的這個方向因為我們的國土是非常的珍貴要怎麼樣遞進其利這是非常的重要但是也就是在我跟您的這個題目當中也就是說我們在整個國土規劃跟產業發展要如何怎麼樣去取得平衡那這個就是國發會要必須用心\n\n8\n00:02:41,377 --> 00:03:00,895\n好好去做規劃我們會繼續來追蹤這樣的一個方向我們也希望達到這個均衡點達到三全其美的一個概念一個現象那接下來我也請農業部也一起上來因為我們鑑於城鄉發展嚴重的失衡\n\n9\n00:03:01,876 --> 00:03:07,180\n嚴重失衡農村的人口外流因為基礎的建設不足導致我們整個農村經營的環境日益惡化政府在整個農地管理上採取了嚴格的保護但缺乏發展的規劃\n\n10\n00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:40,660\n導致農地雖然被限制開發但是缺乏有效的經濟活化的一個制度那如果經濟活化沒有去達成當然我們整個農村的衰退是會劇烈的那我們又看到其他國家比如像日本\n\n11\n00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:57,018\n德國他們透過了就是農村創生的這樣的一個政策結合當地的一個農業發展農村觀光跟農村的技術所以我經常說的我們台灣的農真的是我們國家的寶\n\n12\n00:03:57,859 --> 00:04:24,863\n保障我們要怎麼樣能夠讓農村的經濟跟農地保護來並行所以市長農業部你是不是要加強跟其他國家成功的這樣子具前瞻性的方案去做探討能夠達到我們真正的保護我們的農村發展我們的經濟的一個結合成功請做說明\n\n13\n00:04:25,143 --> 00:04:36,095\n是非常感謝楊委員的關心其實我們過去啊從民國99年農災條例通過之後我們就一直在輔導目前已經輔導有2788個社區當中我們已經核定他通過的這個社區已經有\n\n14\n00:04:45,346 --> 00:04:58,864\n1084那這些社區我們每一年去做輔導不是只有產業的發展還有當地的文化保留還有綠美化以及整個讓鄉村國活化所以我們過去十幾年來已經陸續跟德國還有跟日本\n\n15\n00:04:59,304 --> 00:05:03,447\n那邊的優良農村在做交流市長你談到這裡當時我們推動的農村再生條例大家都全力以赴所以這段時間呢那你核准的2700多個社區現在所培根的現在所認證的大概是1084這個還有成長的空間\n\n16\n00:05:20,619 --> 00:05:44,766\n而且我們認為我們目前所做的機制我認為你必須先把你的機制再去做調整再去做調整做精進本席今天這個議題主要跟你討論的是這個方向因為如果政府在一段時間十來年了這一段時間我們再去精進跟世界各國成功的範例來做整個的結合\n\n17\n00:05:45,646 --> 00:06:01,537\n一定會達到更高的一個效率出來因為我說了你眼睛睜開怎麼樣都離開不了我們的農那這一些這麼好的資源資產我們要怎麼樣把它活化這是非常重要你去親近然後方向給本席\n\n18\n00:06:02,617 --> 00:06:14,382\n接下來我也請內政部也一併上來我要請教農村長期面臨人口流失設施不足農業轉型它極其會有困難尤其現在整個軟化的這個問題尤其現在資訊科技一直加入在這個情況之下內政部視農村為低度開發區也缺乏了完整性的發展規劃\n\n19\n00:06:30,210 --> 00:06:44,632\n導致我地方的這個經濟呢它是農村地區年輕人想要回來但是還是怕怕的那我們非常的希望年輕人可以回流我們運用的各種方式不管是農保的保障啊\n\n20\n00:06:45,733 --> 00:06:56,280\n這個各方面我們都努力在做但是我似乎看到成效還是有很大的這個空間來精進所以年輕人沒有辦法訪鄉就業我想會衍生更其他的一個議題所以請教副署長也就是說在針對整個國際城鎮的案例裡頭我們要怎麼樣提出具彈性的土地規劃跟基礎建設的投資讓我們的農村他不是只有保護農地\n\n21\n00:07:13,931 --> 00:07:30,584\n同時它也要激發非常重要的激發地方經濟的一個活力能夠城鄉的一個共榮跟平衡請做說明好謝謝委員的推詢第一件事情其實農地或鄉村地區它主要的\n\n22\n00:07:31,425 --> 00:07:46,014\n目前的機制跟相關東西比較大的問題其實是要成就一件事情是那個生態圈就前後的整件事情都完備人家才願意住進去或發展或做他的產業等等事情所以剛才也有講\n\n23\n00:07:46,814 --> 00:08:15,593\n農業部有相關的那個農寨也好農種也好這相關的東西就從產業生活生態相關都會去做然後這次的國土計畫大家可以看到農業我們叫農業發展的這個功能分區在裡面又1141月的部分我們也加了這個相規的機制這個相規就會把這些事情重整之後接下來在我們這邊主要是空間部門就在這空間部門就可以做功能跟土地使用相關的調節然後也相關東西我們也可以跟其他的工具\n\n24\n00:08:16,934 --> 00:08:32,488\n主要的農的公共設施工具相關工具我們就可以整合進行整體的規模你現在說我們國防會在這裡內政部也在這裡農業部也在這裡你就可以很清楚的聽到現在是各行其事\n\n25\n00:08:32,988 --> 00:08:54,196\n沒有做整合所以本席這一題的議題也就是討論請你們三位同在一起來討論也就是這一個不要在各起形式應該要做一個整合的工作所以我就要請我們這個國發會好好的來做整合的工作好嗎是好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝楊瓊英委員那下一位請李玉玲委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6133\t7258\t謝謝主席 楊全元發言 邀請國發會\n16138\t35612\t副主委 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你講到重點國家發展重大的這個方向因為我們的國土是非常的珍貴要怎麼樣遞進其利這是非常的重要但是也就是在我跟您的這個題目當中也就是說我們在整個國土規劃跟產業發展要如何怎麼樣去取得平衡那這個就是國發會要必須用心\n161377\t180895\t好好去做規劃我們會繼續來追蹤這樣的一個方向我們也希望達到這個均衡點達到三全其美的一個概念一個現象那接下來我也請農業部也一起上來因為我們鑑於城鄉發展嚴重的失衡\n181876\t187180\t嚴重失衡農村的人口外流因為基礎的建設不足導致我們整個農村經營的環境日益惡化政府在整個農地管理上採取了嚴格的保護但缺乏發展的規劃\n204370\t220660\t導致農地雖然被限制開發但是缺乏有效的經濟活化的一個制度那如果經濟活化沒有去達成當然我們整個農村的衰退是會劇烈的那我們又看到其他國家比如像日本\n221460\t237018\t德國他們透過了就是農村創生的這樣的一個政策結合當地的一個農業發展農村觀光跟農村的技術所以我經常說的我們台灣的農真的是我們國家的寶\n237859\t264863\t保障我們要怎麼樣能夠讓農村的經濟跟農地保護來並行所以市長農業部你是不是要加強跟其他國家成功的這樣子具前瞻性的方案去做探討能夠達到我們真正的保護我們的農村發展我們的經濟的一個結合成功請做說明\n265143\t276095\t是非常感謝楊委員的關心其實我們過去啊從民國99年農災條例通過之後我們就一直在輔導目前已經輔導有2788個社區當中我們已經核定他通過的這個社區已經有\n285346\t298864\t1084那這些社區我們每一年去做輔導不是只有產業的發展還有當地的文化保留還有綠美化以及整個讓鄉村國活化所以我們過去十幾年來已經陸續跟德國還有跟日本\n299304\t303447\t那邊的優良農村在做交流市長你談到這裡當時我們推動的農村再生條例大家都全力以赴所以這段時間呢那你核准的2700多個社區現在所培根的現在所認證的大概是1084這個還有成長的空間\n320619\t344766\t而且我們認為我們目前所做的機制我認為你必須先把你的機制再去做調整再去做調整做精進本席今天這個議題主要跟你討論的是這個方向因為如果政府在一段時間十來年了這一段時間我們再去精進跟世界各國成功的範例來做整個的結合\n345646\t361537\t一定會達到更高的一個效率出來因為我說了你眼睛睜開怎麼樣都離開不了我們的農那這一些這麼好的資源資產我們要怎麼樣把它活化這是非常重要你去親近然後方向給本席\n362617\t374382\t接下來我也請內政部也一併上來我要請教 農村長期面臨人口流失設施不足 農業轉型 它極其會有困難尤其現在整個軟化的這個問題尤其現在資訊科技一直加入在這個情況之下 內政部視農村為低度開發區也缺乏了完整性的發展規劃\n390210\t404632\t導致我地方的這個經濟呢它是農村地區年輕人想要回來但是還是怕怕的那我們非常的希望年輕人可以回流我們運用的各種方式不管是農保的保障啊\n405733\t416280\t這個各方面我們都努力在做但是我似乎看到成效還是有很大的這個空間來精進所以年輕人沒有辦法訪鄉就業我想會衍生更其他的一個議題所以請教副署長也就是說在針對整個國際城鎮的案例裡頭我們要怎麼樣提出具彈性的土地規劃跟基礎建設的投資讓我們的農村他不是只有保護農地\n433931\t450584\t同時它也要激發非常重要的激發地方經濟的一個活力能夠城鄉的一個共榮跟平衡請做說明好 謝謝委員的推詢第一件事情其實農地或鄉村地區它主要的\n451425\t466014\t目前的機制跟相關東西比較大的問題其實是要成就一件事情是那個生態圈就前後的整件事情都完備人家才願意住進去或發展或做他的產業等等事情所以剛才也有講\n466814\t495593\t農業部有相關的那個農寨也好農種也好這相關的東西就從產業生活生態相關都會去做然後這次的國土計畫大家可以看到農業我們叫農業發展的這個功能分區在裡面又1141月的部分我們也加了這個相規的機制這個相規就會把這些事情重整之後接下來在我們這邊主要是空間部門就在這空間部門就可以做功能跟土地使用相關的調節然後也相關東西我們也可以跟其他的工具\n496934\t512488\t主要的農的公共設施工具相關工具我們就可以整合進行整體的規模你現在說我們國防會在這裡內政部也在這裡農業部也在這裡你就可以很清楚的聽到現在是各行其事\n512988\t534196\t沒有做整合所以本席這一題的議題也就是討論請你們三位同在一起來討論也就是這一個不要在各起形式應該要做一個整合的工作所以我就要請我們這個國發會好好的來做整合的工作好嗎是好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝楊瓊英委員那下一位請李玉玲委員質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 楊全元發言 邀請國發會\n副主委 我們看到國土計劃法的相關配套它的相關配套說是跟規定不是很明確所以導致自然難行所以立法院才會在去年3月這個去年底三組通過國土計劃法部分條文修正草案將原定\n要在2025年4月30號實施的國土工人分區土公告期限延後6年到2031年那以減少整個在計畫執行的衝擊以及民怨那在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教副主委\n國發會是作為我們整個國家發展總體規劃的核心單位那當前的國土計畫法的分區管制跟產業發展的需求之間仍有很多相當的一個矛盾那例如說地方政府反映部分的農業發展區域或者是特定地區的使用限制影響到經濟的發展那國發會你在整個因為我們延長六年\n這個時間非常寶貴你在整個國土規劃與產業發展間你要如何的取得平衡請做說明是 跟委員報告就是我們現在已經在剛剛有報告過就是六大區域的這個我們從產業角度出發跟生活圈的角度出發我們去規劃六大的這個區域發展的一個規劃\n那這個比較從產業面出發的就是希望把經濟部產業園區國科會的科學園區這些比較大重大的那加上我覺得目前看起來是鄉村地區其實也有一些是需要有一些農業現在農業產業不同的產業能夠一起整體考量的這樣子的一個方式呢放到這個我們大的重大的國家重大的角度\n國家發展重大的這個六大建設裡面六大區域發展裡面不是 你講到重點國家發展重大的這個方向因為我們的國土是非常的珍貴要怎麼樣遞進其利這是非常的重要但是也就是在我跟您的這個題目當中也就是說我們在整個國土規劃跟產業發展要如何怎麼樣去取得平衡那這個就是國發會要必須用心\n好好去做規劃我們會繼續來追蹤這樣的一個方向我們也希望達到這個均衡點達到三全其美的一個概念一個現象那接下來我也請農業部也一起上來因為我們鑑於城鄉發展嚴重的失衡\n嚴重失衡農村的人口外流因為基礎的建設不足導致我們整個農村經營的環境日益惡化政府在整個農地管理上採取了嚴格的保護但缺乏發展的規劃\n導致農地雖然被限制開發但是缺乏有效的經濟活化的一個制度那如果經濟活化沒有去達成當然我們整個農村的衰退是會劇烈的那我們又看到其他國家比如像日本\n德國他們透過了就是農村創生的這樣的一個政策結合當地的一個農業發展農村觀光跟農村的技術所以我經常說的我們台灣的農真的是我們國家的寶\n保障我們要怎麼樣能夠讓農村的經濟跟農地保護來並行所以市長農業部你是不是要加強跟其他國家成功的這樣子具前瞻性的方案去做探討能夠達到我們真正的保護我們的農村發展我們的經濟的一個結合成功請做說明\n是非常感謝楊委員的關心其實我們過去啊從民國99年農災條例通過之後我們就一直在輔導目前已經輔導有2788個社區當中我們已經核定他通過的這個社區已經有\n1084那這些社區我們每一年去做輔導不是只有產業的發展還有當地的文化保留還有綠美化以及整個讓鄉村國活化所以我們過去十幾年來已經陸續跟德國還有跟日本\n那邊的優良農村在做交流市長你談到這裡當時我們推動的農村再生條例大家都全力以赴所以這段時間呢那你核准的2700多個社區現在所培根的現在所認證的大概是1084這個還有成長的空間\n而且我們認為我們目前所做的機制我認為你必須先把你的機制再去做調整再去做調整做精進本席今天這個議題主要跟你討論的是這個方向因為如果政府在一段時間十來年了這一段時間我們再去精進跟世界各國成功的範例來做整個的結合\n一定會達到更高的一個效率出來因為我說了你眼睛睜開怎麼樣都離開不了我們的農那這一些這麼好的資源資產我們要怎麼樣把它活化這是非常重要你去親近然後方向給本席\n接下來我也請內政部也一併上來我要請教 農村長期面臨人口流失設施不足 農業轉型 它極其會有困難尤其現在整個軟化的這個問題尤其現在資訊科技一直加入在這個情況之下 內政部視農村為低度開發區也缺乏了完整性的發展規劃\n導致我地方的這個經濟呢它是農村地區年輕人想要回來但是還是怕怕的那我們非常的希望年輕人可以回流我們運用的各種方式不管是農保的保障啊\n這個各方面我們都努力在做但是我似乎看到成效還是有很大的這個空間來精進所以年輕人沒有辦法訪鄉就業我想會衍生更其他的一個議題所以請教副署長也就是說在針對整個國際城鎮的案例裡頭我們要怎麼樣提出具彈性的土地規劃跟基礎建設的投資讓我們的農村他不是只有保護農地\n同時它也要激發非常重要的激發地方經濟的一個活力能夠城鄉的一個共榮跟平衡請做說明好 謝謝委員的推詢第一件事情其實農地或鄉村地區它主要的\n目前的機制跟相關東西比較大的問題其實是要成就一件事情是那個生態圈就前後的整件事情都完備人家才願意住進去或發展或做他的產業等等事情所以剛才也有講\n農業部有相關的那個農寨也好農種也好這相關的東西就從產業生活生態相關都會去做然後這次的國土計畫大家可以看到農業我們叫農業發展的這個功能分區在裡面又1141月的部分我們也加了這個相規的機制這個相規就會把這些事情重整之後接下來在我們這邊主要是空間部門就在這空間部門就可以做功能跟土地使用相關的調節然後也相關東西我們也可以跟其他的工具\n主要的農的公共設施工具相關工具我們就可以整合進行整體的規模你現在說我們國防會在這裡內政部也在這裡農業部也在這裡你就可以很清楚的聽到現在是各行其事\n沒有做整合所以本席這一題的議題也就是討論請你們三位同在一起來討論也就是這一個不要在各起形式應該要做一個整合的工作所以我就要請我們這個國發會好好的來做整合的工作好嗎是好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝楊瓊英委員那下一位請李玉玲委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.133 --> 00:07.258\n謝謝主席楊全元發言邀請國發會\n\n00:16.138 --> 00:35.612\n副主委我們看到國土計劃法的相關配套它的相關配套說是跟規定不是很明確所以導致自然難行所以立法院才會在去年3月這個去年底三組通過國土計劃法部分條文修正草案將原定\n\n00:36.272 --> 00:52.690\n要在2025年4月30號實施的國土工人分區土公告期限延後6年到2031年那以減少整個在計畫執行的衝擊以及民怨那在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教副主委\n\n00:53.991 --> 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