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00:02:55,152\n那這種我們說先取得一個資格然後另外再考它其實老實說它的本質還是還要再經過一段考試它只變兩階段那再來講它就是一個兩階段我怎麼這樣提就是我們那個土木類科啦現在你們的報告有寫嘛現在缺額很多嘛你說你們有去研究過分析過缺額的原因大概是什麼\n\n8\n00:02:55,912 --> 00:03:18,118\n跟委員報告其實老實說最主要是需用名額的急劇增加也就是說我們錄取的人跟不上他需要名額的增加其實我們錄取名額在去年這答案是誰告訴你的我們有數據出來我們在報告裡面都有附有數據是就是需要的跟來考試的這兩個人那為什麼沒有那麼多人來考\n\n9\n00:03:19,134 --> 00:03:39,974\n跟委員報告,目前我們的入取,老實說我們考試,這就分成一個就是說當你的需求名額那麼高的時候,我們入取的人其實已經是逐年增加我們入取的人還更多為什麼考的人變少?考的人變少這個是在我們各個類科都有一個普遍的現象\n\n10\n00:03:41,089 --> 00:04:00,260\n那土木類科特別嚴重嘛你們今天報告裡頭也特別把這個土木類科提出來嘛你知道現在這個高考進去公務體系土木類科進去以後起薪到授訓完的薪水大概多少錢這個大概我們還是按照一般的\n\n11\n00:04:04,355 --> 00:04:23,770\n這我們一般的同仁高考官及格是剛好是六本一嘛大概是五萬我印象中差不多讓他月薪大概是五萬五左右啦那他的年終獎金加一加憨不啷噹大概平均大概會有回推啦大概一個月會有六萬塊左右那外面的營造廠工程公司薪水有沒有比較高\n\n12\n00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:49,985\n如果他是有證照的我想委員應該知道外面的一個特別是有證照的那他連鎖的都會比較高嗎好我剛剛這個這幾天我也問了我以前的同事啊他們土木的都補不滿那原因是什麼呢他說當然薪水外面比較高第二個啊因為我們這個公共工程的這個經費的估價通常會delay發包大概一年\n\n13\n00:04:51,081 --> 00:05:05,898\n所以每次在估這個造價的時候都低估了所以招標都招不出去那承辦人招不出去就會被長官唸什麼辦都辦不出來招標都一直流標搞什麼東西你當時算是怎麼算的\n\n14\n00:05:07,162 --> 00:05:24,198\n那這個公務員很倒楣啊因為他是比如說今年的三月算可是明年可能明年中才招標啊因為今年三月就要開始算算算然後就要開始體育算嘛然後醫護要審查然後可能明年到四五月或年中才招標那已經又過一年了結果他估的價格永遠是錯的嘛\n\n15\n00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:57,086\n那我乾脆去外面的營造廠去外面的工程顧問公司嘛所以這一塊看要怎麼解決我覺得考選部還是或全域部薪水的部分還有這一個可能要去克服啦否則這個會一直一直蔓延下去就是會缺額會越來越多那越來越多我告訴各位一個現場的真實狀況就是譬如說各縣市現在蠻多成立捷運局的\n\n16\n00:05:58,431 --> 00:06:03,952\n捷運局裡頭很多看工程圖的人他一輩子沒看過工程圖然後施工廠商施工完成把這些圖通通交給他因為他要去負責驗收我講的是最基層的公務員土木類哥他就要去驗收那這個工程公司設計單位建築師就把一堆圖丟給他\n\n17\n00:06:21,306 --> 00:06:48,753\n他也看不懂然後他就要決定他要不要簽了麻煩在這裡因為他比外面的工程公司建築師都還值錢那就會造成不會的在看那個很會的人交出來的東西那搞到最後這些公家機關怎麼辦就委外找專案管理找這些公司來結果我們的公務員土木類科的公務員都在辦理法保就是辦理那個\n\n18\n00:06:49,894 --> 00:07:00,285\n專案管理的發包然後呢自己的專業在這一塊也用不上為什麼因為他要承辦的業務太多那如果有缺有最後都找誰來都找約聘僱啦\n\n19\n00:07:01,721 --> 00:07:28,714\n那約聘僱的權益又比公務員這一個實質的影響力更大雖然蓋章最後是這個公務員可是呢這一個這個比較這個資深的這約聘僱人員他反而是在這個工程上啊他是看了比較完整的圖啦這個實務上是這樣給你們參考最後一個題目是請教一下我們現在考試啊這個很多老師要去改考卷嘛要去出考卷嘛\n\n20\n00:07:29,494 --> 00:07:51,774\n那你們的報告也寫說薪水太低改考卷、出考卷酬勞太低十多年沒有休我想加這個錢應該不會有人反對你們今年如果提明年的預算會把它加上去嗎基本上會,我們已經在進行相關的法制作業\n\n21\n00:07:53,181 --> 00:08:20,156\n為什麼拖這麼久都不改你搞到那些老師不願意去改考卷你也麻煩因為另外一件事情是連動的因為我們考選基金我們最近也在歸位做調整那如果沒有做調整本來後年大概破產OK好那我有看到你們報告有提到說你們有各個到各個大學去辦說明然後有配合的相關的機關去我在看那個配對的時候那個配對是有意義的嗎\n\n22\n00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:36,799\n譬如說他跑去逢甲大學的是台北市公務局那他跑去某某譬如說東華大學跑去的是園民會那有些是看這個名字啊名字是對得上的\n\n23\n00:08:37,793 --> 00:08:55,693\n那我現在的意思是說那你們在找這些公家中央的機關或者是縣市的機關跑去各大學去做這種說明或者是攬財的這個過程這個配對是怎麼配的跟委員報告我們這個還是先發函給學校然後透過學校來提出需求\n\n24\n00:08:56,351 --> 00:09:24,286\n所以一般來講這是經過學校自己的支付單位的評估所以就是學校然後希望這個哪一個公家機關來說明說這個直系或這一類的公務員是有什麼所以我想他們應該是有考量自己的哪些學生是適應的那現在我們考公務員最多的是哪一個大學一般還是幾個比較前面的國立大學國立大學比較多對私立大學現在\n\n25\n00:09:27,523 --> 00:09:53,550\n醫士醫士大學但是私立大學也有私立大學也有對譬如說紅甲大學就很多OK那這一個我剛提的這一個考試跟這一個實際任用這個怎麼樣讓他去先取得資格那他可以先去做他的事等到有一天他真的想當公務員再回來也許這樣的一個儲備制度也希望你們能夠研議看看有沒有這樣的可行性好謝謝是謝謝委員\n\n26\n00:09:55,630 --> 00:09:56,265\n好謝謝王委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10215\t29554\t主席我們請考選部麻煩考選部部長委員早部長好我們現在公務員這一個考試啊是用人機關有需求我們才考嘛對不對是那可不可以有沒有考慮把它分流啊\n31005\t56672\t不知道委員的意思就是說我先考過我有公務員資格我不一定要去當公務員跟委員報告因為我們整個公務員考所謂的考試它其實是包括到後面訓練完成才叫考試及格所以今天如果說我們今天是要放進這一個的話它等於是某種預備的概念那這預備的概念的話就變成你後面還要再甄選一次所以最後你還是要再過一道甄選\n58331\t71548\t所以委員所講的與其說分流不如說是不是有在考慮某種有檢定的概念不過這個的確是需要整個國家的人事制度這大概不是考選部可以自己決定但是如果說有沒有曾經討論過這件事\n73884\t96656\t目前為止應該說還沒有比較成熟的在討論這樣的事情我舉個例子喔 譬如說過去你們應該算是代辦過這個領隊導遊嘛 對不對那現在你們沒有再辦這個業務了那領隊導遊考完試以後他不一定要去當領隊導遊但是他後來也有一個訓練的過程他才能成為國家的這個領隊導遊嘛那領隊導遊並不是一個額度的概念\n102319\t131293\t那像這一個比如說交通工程技師他就考試就通過了那他不一定要去執業就是他有這個技師資格嘛那這個公務員可不可以 我有公務員資格我就還先不受訓練我就先參加你的各式各樣的考試我取得及格證書了等到我真正這個單位缺額跑出來了那我就去這一個報考\n132663\t151383\t報告這個缺額然後呢這一個也接受你的訓練然後我就去當公務員有沒有這樣的這個方案過跟委員報告目前沒有這樣的方案那可不可以研究跟委員報告研究當然是可以研究不過這個我想委員所說的比較接近國外制度啦\n151991\t175152\t那這種我們說先取得一個資格然後另外再考它其實老實說它的本質還是還要再經過一段考試它只變兩階段那再來講它就是一個兩階段我怎麼這樣提就是我們那個土木類科啦現在你們的報告有寫嘛現在缺額很多嘛你說你們有去研究過分析過缺額的原因大概是什麼\n175912\t198118\t跟委員報告 其實老實說最主要是需用名額的急劇增加也就是說我們錄取的人跟不上他需要名額的增加其實我們錄取名額在去年 這答案是誰告訴你的我們有數據出來 我們在報告裡面都有附有數據是就是需要的跟來考試的這兩個人那為什麼沒有那麼多人來考\n199134\t219974\t跟委員報告,目前我們的入取,老實說我們考試,這就分成一個就是說當你的需求名額那麼高的時候,我們入取的人其實已經是逐年增加我們入取的人還更多為什麼考的人變少?考的人變少這個是在我們各個類科都有一個普遍的現象\n221089\t240260\t那土木類科特別嚴重嘛你們今天報告裡頭也特別把這個土木類科提出來嘛你知道現在這個高考進去公務體系土木類科進去以後起薪到授訓完的薪水大概多少錢這個大概我們還是按照一般的\n244355\t263770\t這我們一般的同仁高考官及格是剛好是六本一嘛大概是五萬 我印象中差不多讓他月薪大概是五萬五左右啦那他的年終獎金加一加 憨不啷噹大概平均大概會有回推啦大概一個月會有六萬塊左右那外面的營造廠 工程公司薪水有沒有比較高\n264510\t289985\t如果他是有證照的 我想委員應該知道外面的一個特別是有證照的 那他連鎖的都會比較高嗎好 我剛剛這個這幾天我也問了我以前的同事啊他們土木的都補不滿那原因是什麼呢 他說當然薪水外面比較高第二個啊 因為我們這個公共工程的這個經費的估價通常會delay發包大概一年\n291081\t305898\t所以每次在估這個造價的時候都低估了所以招標都招不出去那承辦人招不出去就會被長官唸什麼辦都辦不出來招標都一直流標搞什麼東西你當時算是怎麼算的\n307162\t324198\t那這個公務員很倒楣啊 因為他是 比如說今年的三月算可是明年 可能明年中才招標啊因為今年三月就要開始算算算 然後就要開始體育算嘛然後醫護要審查 然後可能明年到四五月或年中才招標那已經又過一年了 結果他估的價格永遠是錯的嘛\n328703\t357086\t那我乾脆去外面的營造廠 去外面的工程顧問公司嘛所以這一塊看要怎麼解決 我覺得考選部還是或全域部薪水的部分 還有這一個可能要去克服啦否則這個會一直一直蔓延下去 就是會缺額會越來越多那越來越多 我告訴各位一個現場的真實狀況就是譬如說各縣市現在蠻多成立捷運局的\n358431\t363952\t捷運局裡頭很多看工程圖的人 他一輩子沒看過工程圖然後施工廠商施工完成把這些圖通通交給他 因為他要去負責驗收我講的是最基層的公務員 土木類哥 他就要去驗收那這個工程公司 設計單位 建築師就把一堆圖丟給他\n381306\t408753\t他也看不懂然後他就要決定他要不要簽了麻煩在這裡因為他比外面的工程公司建築師都還值錢那就會造成不會的在看那個很會的人交出來的東西那搞到最後這些公家機關怎麼辦就委外找專案管理找這些公司來結果我們的公務員土木類科的公務員都在辦理法保就是辦理那個\n409894\t420285\t專案管理的發包然後呢 自己的專業在這一塊也用不上為什麼 因為他要承辦的業務太多那如果有缺有 最後都找誰來都找約聘僱啦\n421721\t448714\t那約聘僱的權益又比公務員這一個實質的影響力更大雖然蓋章最後是這個公務員可是呢這一個這個比較這個資深的這約聘僱人員他反而是在這個工程上啊他是看了比較完整的圖啦這個實務上是這樣給你們參考最後一個題目是請教一下我們現在考試啊這個很多老師要去改考卷嘛要去出考卷嘛\n449494\t471774\t那你們的報告也寫說薪水太低改考卷、出考卷酬勞太低十多年沒有休我想加這個錢應該不會有人反對你們今年如果提明年的預算會把它加上去嗎基本上會,我們已經在進行相關的法制作業\n473181\t500156\t為什麼拖這麼久都不改 你搞到那些老師不願意去改考卷你也麻煩因為另外一件事情是連動的 因為我們考選基金我們最近也在歸位做調整那如果沒有做調整 本來後年大概破產OK 好 那我有看到你們報告有提到說你們有各個 到各個大學去辦說明然後有配合的相關的機關去我在看那個配對的時候 那個配對是有意義的嗎\n503399\t516799\t譬如說他跑去逢甲大學的是台北市公務局那他跑去某某 譬如說東華大學跑去的是園民會那有些是看這個名字啊 名字是對得上的\n517793\t535693\t那我現在的意思是說那你們在找這些公家中央的機關或者是縣市的機關跑去各大學去做這種說明或者是攬財的這個過程這個配對是怎麼配的跟委員報告我們這個還是先發函給學校然後透過學校來提出需求\n536351\t564286\t所以一般來講這是經過學校自己的支付單位的評估所以就是學校然後希望這個哪一個公家機關來說明說這個直系或這一類的公務員是有什麼所以我想他們應該是有考量自己的哪些學生是適應的那現在我們考公務員最多的是哪一個大學一般還是幾個比較前面的國立大學國立大學比較多 對私立大學現在\n567523\t593550\t醫士醫士大學但是私立大學也有私立大學也有對譬如說紅甲大學就很多OK那這一個我剛提的這一個考試跟這一個實際任用這個怎麼樣讓他去先取得資格那他可以先去做他的事等到有一天他真的想當公務員再回來也許這樣的一個儲備制度也希望你們能夠研議看看有沒有這樣的可行性好 謝謝是 謝謝委員\n595630\t596265\t好 謝謝王委員\n","txt":"主席我們請考選部麻煩考選部部長委員早部長好我們現在公務員這一個考試啊是用人機關有需求我們才考嘛對不對是那可不可以有沒有考慮把它分流啊\n不知道委員的意思就是說我先考過我有公務員資格我不一定要去當公務員跟委員報告因為我們整個公務員考所謂的考試它其實是包括到後面訓練完成才叫考試及格所以今天如果說我們今天是要放進這一個的話它等於是某種預備的概念那這預備的概念的話就變成你後面還要再甄選一次所以最後你還是要再過一道甄選\n所以委員所講的與其說分流不如說是不是有在考慮某種有檢定的概念不過這個的確是需要整個國家的人事制度這大概不是考選部可以自己決定但是如果說有沒有曾經討論過這件事\n目前為止應該說還沒有比較成熟的在討論這樣的事情我舉個例子喔 譬如說過去你們應該算是代辦過這個領隊導遊嘛 對不對那現在你們沒有再辦這個業務了那領隊導遊考完試以後他不一定要去當領隊導遊但是他後來也有一個訓練的過程他才能成為國家的這個領隊導遊嘛那領隊導遊並不是一個額度的概念\n那像這一個比如說交通工程技師他就考試就通過了那他不一定要去執業就是他有這個技師資格嘛那這個公務員可不可以 我有公務員資格我就還先不受訓練我就先參加你的各式各樣的考試我取得及格證書了等到我真正這個單位缺額跑出來了那我就去這一個報考\n報告這個缺額然後呢這一個也接受你的訓練然後我就去當公務員有沒有這樣的這個方案過跟委員報告目前沒有這樣的方案那可不可以研究跟委員報告研究當然是可以研究不過這個我想委員所說的比較接近國外制度啦\n那這種我們說先取得一個資格然後另外再考它其實老實說它的本質還是還要再經過一段考試它只變兩階段那再來講它就是一個兩階段我怎麼這樣提就是我們那個土木類科啦現在你們的報告有寫嘛現在缺額很多嘛你說你們有去研究過分析過缺額的原因大概是什麼\n跟委員報告 其實老實說最主要是需用名額的急劇增加也就是說我們錄取的人跟不上他需要名額的增加其實我們錄取名額在去年 這答案是誰告訴你的我們有數據出來 我們在報告裡面都有附有數據是就是需要的跟來考試的這兩個人那為什麼沒有那麼多人來考\n跟委員報告,目前我們的入取,老實說我們考試,這就分成一個就是說當你的需求名額那麼高的時候,我們入取的人其實已經是逐年增加我們入取的人還更多為什麼考的人變少?考的人變少這個是在我們各個類科都有一個普遍的現象\n那土木類科特別嚴重嘛你們今天報告裡頭也特別把這個土木類科提出來嘛你知道現在這個高考進去公務體系土木類科進去以後起薪到授訓完的薪水大概多少錢這個大概我們還是按照一般的\n這我們一般的同仁高考官及格是剛好是六本一嘛大概是五萬 我印象中差不多讓他月薪大概是五萬五左右啦那他的年終獎金加一加 憨不啷噹大概平均大概會有回推啦大概一個月會有六萬塊左右那外面的營造廠 工程公司薪水有沒有比較高\n如果他是有證照的 我想委員應該知道外面的一個特別是有證照的 那他連鎖的都會比較高嗎好 我剛剛這個這幾天我也問了我以前的同事啊他們土木的都補不滿那原因是什麼呢 他說當然薪水外面比較高第二個啊 因為我們這個公共工程的這個經費的估價通常會delay發包大概一年\n所以每次在估這個造價的時候都低估了所以招標都招不出去那承辦人招不出去就會被長官唸什麼辦都辦不出來招標都一直流標搞什麼東西你當時算是怎麼算的\n那這個公務員很倒楣啊 因為他是 比如說今年的三月算可是明年 可能明年中才招標啊因為今年三月就要開始算算算 然後就要開始體育算嘛然後醫護要審查 然後可能明年到四五月或年中才招標那已經又過一年了 結果他估的價格永遠是錯的嘛\n那我乾脆去外面的營造廠 去外面的工程顧問公司嘛所以這一塊看要怎麼解決 我覺得考選部還是或全域部薪水的部分 還有這一個可能要去克服啦否則這個會一直一直蔓延下去 就是會缺額會越來越多那越來越多 我告訴各位一個現場的真實狀況就是譬如說各縣市現在蠻多成立捷運局的\n捷運局裡頭很多看工程圖的人 他一輩子沒看過工程圖然後施工廠商施工完成把這些圖通通交給他 因為他要去負責驗收我講的是最基層的公務員 土木類哥 他就要去驗收那這個工程公司 設計單位 建築師就把一堆圖丟給他\n他也看不懂然後他就要決定他要不要簽了麻煩在這裡因為他比外面的工程公司建築師都還值錢那就會造成不會的在看那個很會的人交出來的東西那搞到最後這些公家機關怎麼辦就委外找專案管理找這些公司來結果我們的公務員土木類科的公務員都在辦理法保就是辦理那個\n專案管理的發包然後呢 自己的專業在這一塊也用不上為什麼 因為他要承辦的業務太多那如果有缺有 最後都找誰來都找約聘僱啦\n那約聘僱的權益又比公務員這一個實質的影響力更大雖然蓋章最後是這個公務員可是呢這一個這個比較這個資深的這約聘僱人員他反而是在這個工程上啊他是看了比較完整的圖啦這個實務上是這樣給你們參考最後一個題目是請教一下我們現在考試啊這個很多老師要去改考卷嘛要去出考卷嘛\n那你們的報告也寫說薪水太低改考卷、出考卷酬勞太低十多年沒有休我想加這個錢應該不會有人反對你們今年如果提明年的預算會把它加上去嗎基本上會,我們已經在進行相關的法制作業\n為什麼拖這麼久都不改 你搞到那些老師不願意去改考卷你也麻煩因為另外一件事情是連動的 因為我們考選基金我們最近也在歸位做調整那如果沒有做調整 本來後年大概破產OK 好 那我有看到你們報告有提到說你們有各個 到各個大學去辦說明然後有配合的相關的機關去我在看那個配對的時候 那個配對是有意義的嗎\n譬如說他跑去逢甲大學的是台北市公務局那他跑去某某 譬如說東華大學跑去的是園民會那有些是看這個名字啊 名字是對得上的\n那我現在的意思是說那你們在找這些公家中央的機關或者是縣市的機關跑去各大學去做這種說明或者是攬財的這個過程這個配對是怎麼配的跟委員報告我們這個還是先發函給學校然後透過學校來提出需求\n所以一般來講這是經過學校自己的支付單位的評估所以就是學校然後希望這個哪一個公家機關來說明說這個直系或這一類的公務員是有什麼所以我想他們應該是有考量自己的哪些學生是適應的那現在我們考公務員最多的是哪一個大學一般還是幾個比較前面的國立大學國立大學比較多 對私立大學現在\n醫士醫士大學但是私立大學也有私立大學也有對譬如說紅甲大學就很多OK那這一個我剛提的這一個考試跟這一個實際任用這個怎麼樣讓他去先取得資格那他可以先去做他的事等到有一天他真的想當公務員再回來也許這樣的一個儲備制度也希望你們能夠研議看看有沒有這樣的可行性好 謝謝是 謝謝委員\n好 謝謝王委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.215 --> 00:29.554\n主席我們請考選部麻煩考選部部長委員早部長好我們現在公務員這一個考試啊是用人機關有需求我們才考嘛對不對是那可不可以有沒有考慮把它分流啊\n\n00:31.005 --> 00:56.672\n不知道委員的意思就是說我先考過我有公務員資格我不一定要去當公務員跟委員報告因為我們整個公務員考所謂的考試它其實是包括到後面訓練完成才叫考試及格所以今天如果說我們今天是要放進這一個的話它等於是某種預備的概念那這預備的概念的話就變成你後面還要再甄選一次所以最後你還是要再過一道甄選\n\n00:58.331 --> 01:11.548\n所以委員所講的與其說分流不如說是不是有在考慮某種有檢定的概念不過這個的確是需要整個國家的人事制度這大概不是考選部可以自己決定但是如果說有沒有曾經討論過這件事\n\n01:13.884 --> 01:36.656\n目前為止應該說還沒有比較成熟的在討論這樣的事情我舉個例子喔譬如說過去你們應該算是代辦過這個領隊導遊嘛對不對那現在你們沒有再辦這個業務了那領隊導遊考完試以後他不一定要去當領隊導遊但是他後來也有一個訓練的過程他才能成為國家的這個領隊導遊嘛那領隊導遊並不是一個額度的概念\n\n01:42.319 --> 02:11.293\n那像這一個比如說交通工程技師他就考試就通過了那他不一定要去執業就是他有這個技師資格嘛那這個公務員可不可以我有公務員資格我就還先不受訓練我就先參加你的各式各樣的考試我取得及格證書了等到我真正這個單位缺額跑出來了那我就去這一個報考\n\n02:12.663 --> 02:31.383\n報告這個缺額然後呢這一個也接受你的訓練然後我就去當公務員有沒有這樣的這個方案過跟委員報告目前沒有這樣的方案那可不可以研究跟委員報告研究當然是可以研究不過這個我想委員所說的比較接近國外制度啦\n\n02:31.991 --> 02:55.152\n那這種我們說先取得一個資格然後另外再考它其實老實說它的本質還是還要再經過一段考試它只變兩階段那再來講它就是一個兩階段我怎麼這樣提就是我們那個土木類科啦現在你們的報告有寫嘛現在缺額很多嘛你說你們有去研究過分析過缺額的原因大概是什麼\n\n02:55.912 --> 03:18.118\n跟委員報告其實老實說最主要是需用名額的急劇增加也就是說我們錄取的人跟不上他需要名額的增加其實我們錄取名額在去年這答案是誰告訴你的我們有數據出來我們在報告裡面都有附有數據是就是需要的跟來考試的這兩個人那為什麼沒有那麼多人來考\n\n03:19.134 --> 03:39.974\n跟委員報告,目前我們的入取,老實說我們考試,這就分成一個就是說當你的需求名額那麼高的時候,我們入取的人其實已經是逐年增加我們入取的人還更多為什麼考的人變少?考的人變少這個是在我們各個類科都有一個普遍的現象\n\n03:41.089 --> 04:00.260\n那土木類科特別嚴重嘛你們今天報告裡頭也特別把這個土木類科提出來嘛你知道現在這個高考進去公務體系土木類科進去以後起薪到授訓完的薪水大概多少錢這個大概我們還是按照一般的\n\n04:04.355 --> 04:23.770\n這我們一般的同仁高考官及格是剛好是六本一嘛大概是五萬我印象中差不多讓他月薪大概是五萬五左右啦那他的年終獎金加一加憨不啷噹大概平均大概會有回推啦大概一個月會有六萬塊左右那外面的營造廠工程公司薪水有沒有比較高\n\n04:24.510 --> 04:49.985\n如果他是有證照的我想委員應該知道外面的一個特別是有證照的那他連鎖的都會比較高嗎好我剛剛這個這幾天我也問了我以前的同事啊他們土木的都補不滿那原因是什麼呢他說當然薪水外面比較高第二個啊因為我們這個公共工程的這個經費的估價通常會delay發包大概一年\n\n04:51.081 --> 05:05.898\n所以每次在估這個造價的時候都低估了所以招標都招不出去那承辦人招不出去就會被長官唸什麼辦都辦不出來招標都一直流標搞什麼東西你當時算是怎麼算的\n\n05:07.162 --> 05:24.198\n那這個公務員很倒楣啊因為他是比如說今年的三月算可是明年可能明年中才招標啊因為今年三月就要開始算算算然後就要開始體育算嘛然後醫護要審查然後可能明年到四五月或年中才招標那已經又過一年了結果他估的價格永遠是錯的嘛\n\n05:28.703 --> 05:57.086\n那我乾脆去外面的營造廠去外面的工程顧問公司嘛所以這一塊看要怎麼解決我覺得考選部還是或全域部薪水的部分還有這一個可能要去克服啦否則這個會一直一直蔓延下去就是會缺額會越來越多那越來越多我告訴各位一個現場的真實狀況就是譬如說各縣市現在蠻多成立捷運局的\n\n05:58.431 --> 06:03.952\n捷運局裡頭很多看工程圖的人他一輩子沒看過工程圖然後施工廠商施工完成把這些圖通通交給他因為他要去負責驗收我講的是最基層的公務員土木類哥他就要去驗收那這個工程公司設計單位建築師就把一堆圖丟給他\n\n06:21.306 --> 06:48.753\n他也看不懂然後他就要決定他要不要簽了麻煩在這裡因為他比外面的工程公司建築師都還值錢那就會造成不會的在看那個很會的人交出來的東西那搞到最後這些公家機關怎麼辦就委外找專案管理找這些公司來結果我們的公務員土木類科的公務員都在辦理法保就是辦理那個\n\n06:49.894 --> 07:00.285\n專案管理的發包然後呢自己的專業在這一塊也用不上為什麼因為他要承辦的業務太多那如果有缺有最後都找誰來都找約聘僱啦\n\n07:01.721 --> 07:28.714\n那約聘僱的權益又比公務員這一個實質的影響力更大雖然蓋章最後是這個公務員可是呢這一個這個比較這個資深的這約聘僱人員他反而是在這個工程上啊他是看了比較完整的圖啦這個實務上是這樣給你們參考最後一個題目是請教一下我們現在考試啊這個很多老師要去改考卷嘛要去出考卷嘛\n\n07:29.494 --> 07:51.774\n那你們的報告也寫說薪水太低改考卷、出考卷酬勞太低十多年沒有休我想加這個錢應該不會有人反對你們今年如果提明年的預算會把它加上去嗎基本上會,我們已經在進行相關的法制作業\n\n07:53.181 --> 08:20.156\n為什麼拖這麼久都不改你搞到那些老師不願意去改考卷你也麻煩因為另外一件事情是連動的因為我們考選基金我們最近也在歸位做調整那如果沒有做調整本來後年大概破產OK好那我有看到你們報告有提到說你們有各個到各個大學去辦說明然後有配合的相關的機關去我在看那個配對的時候那個配對是有意義的嗎\n\n08:23.399 --> 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