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00:01:49,737\n那也剛好因為現在沒有辦法組成NCC委員會議所以如果他是列組基本頻道的部分基本上剛好兩個法會互相有一個協力部分所以基本上是不會被下架現在受影響的業者啊他們是依法無門要合法無土啊我看我這個台北\n\n7\n00:01:51,464 --> 00:02:12,899\n營業股份有限公司就是NTV跟NickJunior兩個頻道的所有者他們在2月21日向台北高等行政法院遞交定暫時的狀態處分但是法院沒有受理那法院駁回的理由他認為說NCC還是具有裁量的這個空間法院不能越處代跑\n\n8\n00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:26,393\n這份駁回其實它也顯示行政人士的辭職會導致業者依法無門合法無土面對這樣的困境主委讓你補充說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:27,242 --> 00:02:55,848\n是那業者救濟部分目前都遇到阻礙那我們也可以理解說在這種情況之下後續的處理當然是建議平台業者能夠基於保障消費視聽眾的權益及公共利益來考量來為優先考量在剛剛說明如果他是在有線電視的基本隸屬基本頻道部分因為他要報主委你說希望業者以這樣的一個\n\n10\n00:02:57,830 --> 00:03:21,901\n民眾的收視收聽的權利啊為優先的原則那要怎麼去處理呢我看我們這個通傳會在2月20號有召開學者專家的這個諮詢會議啊各方當然對於是否構成違法與是否裁法其實是有不同的意見但是他的共識啊\n\n11\n00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:36,376\n大家都認為是沒有辦法透過暫時的執照或是法院的指揮或是分層覺醒的方式來做處理那你們的態度跟原則來說明一下\n\n12\n00:03:37,535 --> 00:04:00,583\n是的即便是林照等等部分都要委員會來處理暫時執照不可行對沒錯法院也提出明確的一個看法了那分層覺醒的處理方式也沒有辦法去落實相關這種執照停播與否的這樣的一個法律灰色地帶\n\n13\n00:04:01,973 --> 00:04:21,981\n對因為我們組織法第九條第二項的第五款這個經營權的得上變更的處理必須是委員會議的保留事項這邊目前三個委員的質疑會議是沒有辦法處理的那至於部分保障市聽眾權益的部分我們持續會跟平台來講\n\n14\n00:04:23,422 --> 00:04:38,839\n大致上是我們會做兩個動作那換照的業者我們會發一個觀念通知函給他告訴他說你的申請換照我們已經進行到的100公尺已經進行到90公尺了你們沒有故意過失所以在我們也會給\n\n15\n00:04:40,120 --> 00:05:08,122\n平臺業者包括有限電視包括中華電信MOD告訴他說平臺上頭的頻道業者目前的換照情況是這樣子的那基於維護公共利益跟刺激性權益以及你們的法尊有限電視的法尊你要下架基本頻道必須要報NCC委員會通過那剛好這邊會有協力去處理部分所以目前大致的我們目前處理方式是這樣子\n\n16\n00:05:08,462 --> 00:05:26,899\n我們現在通傳會在2024年的12月1日開始剩下三位委員我們國家通信傳播委員會的組織法它所規定開會的最低開會人數是四人所以現在目前開會就是開不成來說明一下\n\n17\n00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:45,573\n是的在94年NCC組織法制定的階段裡頭在行政院版的立法說明就已經講是全體委員括弧七人當時第一版是七個人就是法定人額的整體總額所以那邊就已經\n\n18\n00:05:47,134 --> 00:06:01,060\n主委說明一下我們現在人數只剩下三人很多的會議沒有辦法召開那所受到影響的電信資訊以及媒體相關的業務佔了我們的業務的幾%來說明一下\n\n19\n00:06:05,369 --> 00:06:23,103\n主要的部分以案件數來換因為我們每年有一萬多件的處分案那這裡頭有很多是有線電視的頻道上下架這一塊是很大的主體其他相對於根據組織法九條二項五款之外\n\n20\n00:06:23,823 --> 00:06:49,777\n委員會沒有保留事項的部分我們還可以做分層授權的方式來處理那跟民眾關係比較重大的跟視聽大眾有關主要是傳播那一塊還有這個電信的部分當然是涉及到根據九條二項五款是必須要有那個進行執照得上變更的部分才會有影響主要的影響最大的還是在傳播領域這邊好主委有的人說那\n\n21\n00:06:50,757 --> 00:07:02,945\n要四個人才可以開會那三個人不可以開嗎當然是不行啦因為我們的組織法第十條第三項就明文規定委員總額的過半數同意\n\n22\n00:07:03,993 --> 00:07:25,462\n就是說它是法定總和7人之過半數而不是現有人數的過半數應該是這樣嗎是的沒錯好另外我們的組織法第4條裡面明文規定我們的通訊傳播委員會的委員是必須具有電信資訊法律財經等相關背景的人來共同組成\n\n23\n00:07:26,542 --> 00:07:45,490\n那就是希望說他是透過專業的分工然後集體的角色這樣的原則在處理相關的議題那如果是三個人的話就會失於偏頗或是過於壟斷相關的這種專業的領域的專業分工這也會造成影響來說明一下\n\n24\n00:07:46,704 --> 00:08:14,605\n委員說到重點我們組織法第四條委員的組成有經濟、電信、傳播、法治那目前我們的剩下的三位委員裡頭缺乏傳播的所以這一部分要處理傳播的部分本來就是專業的多元性本來就是師之益與那其他的部分其他即便是電信那是也有一些產業或者一些涉及到匯流的時代也會有一些傳播的議題那這邊都是相對沒辦法處理的\n\n25\n00:08:15,365 --> 00:08:43,682\n更何況是剛剛委員所提到的這個要法定人員的過半這邊都是沒有辦法來組成委員會好主委我們現在已經提到暫時執照沒有辦法處理法院的指揮沒有辦法處理分層覺醒的方式也沒有辦法去處理那我簡單兩個建議第一個NCC是否能夠主動發函建議業者來維持現有的播出然後我們要提供行政解釋跟法律的一個\n\n26\n00:08:44,922 --> 00:09:11,770\n緩衝的空間這個有沒有問題包委員沒有問題我們先前處理台北營業兩家就是這種方式處理我們後續也會照這種方式來繼續處理好在相關的法令的程序上如果說NCC的人士啊辭職無法避免沒有辦法解決啦如果有這種狀況是否能夠盡速的公告暫行的處理原則來在法令上來請主委說明一下\n\n27\n00:09:12,797 --> 00:09:35,068\n我們會透過這個資訊對外揭露方式比方說記者會、新聞稿還有其實相關的利害關係的業者他們大概都會有收到這方面訊息就像之前那兩家台北營業的那兩家還有未來其他35家我們大概都會循這方式處理那會讓他們知道就是兩個剛剛前面跟委員報告過的\n\n28\n00:09:36,169 --> 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來說明一下\n327660\t345573\t是的在94年NCC組織法制定的階段裡頭在行政院版的立法說明就已經講是全體委員括弧七人當時第一版是七個人就是法定人額的整體總額所以那邊就已經\n347134\t361060\t主委說明一下我們現在人數只剩下三人很多的會議沒有辦法召開那所受到影響的電信資訊以及媒體相關的業務佔了我們的業務的幾%來說明一下\n365369\t383103\t主要的部分以案件數來換因為我們每年有一萬多件的處分案那這裡頭有很多是有線電視的頻道上下架這一塊是很大的主體其他相對於根據組織法九條二項五款之外\n383823\t409777\t委員會沒有保留事項的部分我們還可以做分層授權的方式來處理那跟民眾關係比較重大的跟視聽大眾有關主要是傳播那一塊還有這個電信的部分當然是涉及到根據九條二項五款是必須要有那個進行執照得上變更的部分才會有影響主要的影響最大的還是在傳播領域這邊好 主委有的人說那\n410757\t422945\t要四個人才可以開會那三個人不可以開嗎當然是不行啦因為我們的組織法第十條第三項就明文規定委員總額的過半數同意\n423993\t445462\t就是說它是法定總和7人之過半數而不是現有人數的過半數應該是這樣嗎是的沒錯好另外我們的組織法第4條裡面明文規定我們的通訊傳播委員會的委員是必須具有電信資訊法律財經等相關背景的人來共同組成\n446542\t465490\t那就是希望說他是透過專業的分工然後集體的角色這樣的原則在處理相關的議題那如果是三個人的話就會失於偏頗或是過於壟斷相關的這種專業的領域的專業分工這也會造成影響來說明一下\n466704\t494605\t委員說到重點我們組織法第四條委員的組成有經濟、電信、傳播、法治那目前我們的剩下的三位委員裡頭缺乏傳播的所以這一部分要處理傳播的部分本來就是專業的多元性本來就是師之益與那其他的部分其他即便是電信那是也有一些產業或者一些涉及到匯流的時代也會有一些傳播的議題那這邊都是相對沒辦法處理的\n495365\t523682\t更何況是剛剛委員所提到的這個要法定人員的過半這邊都是沒有辦法來組成委員會好 主委我們現在已經提到暫時執照沒有辦法處理法院的指揮沒有辦法處理分層覺醒的方式也沒有辦法去處理那我簡單兩個建議第一個NCC是否能夠主動發函建議業者來維持現有的播出然後我們要提供行政解釋跟法律的一個\n524922\t551770\t緩衝的空間 這個有沒有問題包委員沒有問題 我們先前處理台北營業兩家就是這種方式處理 我們後續也會照這種方式來繼續處理好 在相關的法令的程序上如果說NCC的人士啊 辭職無法避免沒有辦法解決啦 如果有這種狀況是否能夠盡速的公告暫行的處理原則來 在法令上來 請主委說明一下\n552797\t575068\t我們會透過這個資訊對外揭露方式比方說記者會、新聞稿還有其實相關的利害關係的業者他們大概都會有收到這方面訊息就像之前那兩家台北營業的那兩家還有未來其他35家我們大概都會循這方式處理那會讓他們知道就是兩個剛剛前面跟委員報告過的\n576169\t593685\t官員通知他你的換照進駐你沒有故意過失你進行到100公尺的90公尺然後告訴平台業者你要尊重視聽眾權益以及你如果要下架處理要有法徵 法徵必須要經過委員會通過這些我們都會適時適切的把這資訊對外來公開\n595427\t620023\t好 相關NCC的業務其實是對於民生對於國家的發展它影響非常的重要不管是電信資訊或者是影視相關的產業以及廣大的使用者相關的權益NCC還是要站在第一線來捍衛民眾的權利這個必須要加強努力是 我們會繼續努力好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝昭偉 請一下陳代理主委好 陳代理主委\n主委你好我看我們NCC的委員現在委員的人數不足當然他也影響到多家的業者他們換照的這個時程當然大家都知道在6月30號之前因為面臨執照屆期的廣電還有相關的未廣事業總共有37家\n那無線廣播有25家無線的電視有4家那未廣的頻道有8家事業還有9個頻道那在這邊我要請教一下主委那相關的6月底屆時如果無法販照會面臨兩個問題\n第一個問題當然就是無法播出停止播出第二個問題就是說它執照失效但是它繼續的這種播出其實就面臨到一個法律的灰色地帶那NCC在處理的原則是什麼來簡單說明一下\n公文報告關於停止播音這一塊的一律部分在如果是上有線電視系統的話因為有線電視如果他是列屬基本頻道的話根據流廣法29條規定他必須要到我們NCC來核准經過委員會核准\n那也剛好因為現在沒有辦法組成NCC委員會議所以如果他是列組基本頻道的部分基本上剛好兩個法會互相有一個協力部分所以基本上是不會被下架現在受影響的業者啊他們是依法無門要合法無土啊我看我這個台北\n營業股份有限公司就是NTV跟Nick Junior兩個頻道的所有者他們在2月21日向台北高等行政法院遞交定暫時的狀態處分但是法院沒有受理那法院駁回的理由他認為說NCC還是具有裁量的這個空間法院不能越處代跑\n這份駁回其實它也顯示行政人士的辭職會導致業者依法無門合法無土面對這樣的困境主委讓你補充說明一下\n是那業者救濟部分目前都遇到阻礙那我們也可以理解說在這種情況之下後續的處理當然是建議平台業者能夠基於保障消費視聽眾的權益及公共利益來考量來為優先考量在剛剛說明如果他是在有線電視的基本隸屬基本頻道部分因為他要報主委你說希望業者以這樣的一個\n民眾的收視收聽的權利啊為優先的原則那要怎麼去處理呢我看我們這個通傳會在2月20號有召開學者專家的這個諮詢會議啊各方當然對於是否構成違法與是否裁法其實是有不同的意見但是他的共識啊\n大家都認為是沒有辦法透過暫時的執照或是法院的指揮或是分層覺醒的方式來做處理那你們的態度跟原則來說明一下\n是的即便是林照等等部分都要委員會來處理暫時執照不可行對沒錯法院也提出明確的一個看法了那分層覺醒的處理方式也沒有辦法去落實相關這種執照停播與否的這樣的一個法律灰色地帶\n對因為我們組織法第九條第二項的第五款這個經營權的得上變更的處理必須是委員會議的保留事項這邊目前三個委員的質疑會議是沒有辦法處理的那至於部分保障市聽眾權益的部分我們持續會跟平台來講\n大致上是我們會做兩個動作那換照的業者我們會發一個觀念通知函給他告訴他說你的申請換照我們已經進行到的100公尺已經進行到90公尺了你們沒有故意過失所以在我們也會給\n平臺業者包括有限電視 包括中華電信MOD告訴他說平臺上頭的頻道業者目前的換照情況是這樣子的那基於維護公共利益跟刺激性權益以及你們的法尊有限電視的法尊你要下架基本頻道必須要報NCC委員會通過那剛好這邊會有協力去處理部分所以目前大致的我們目前處理方式是這樣子\n我們現在通傳會在2024年的12月1日開始剩下三位委員我們國家通信傳播委員會的組織法它所規定開會的最低開會人數是四人所以現在目前開會就是開不成 來說明一下\n是的在94年NCC組織法制定的階段裡頭在行政院版的立法說明就已經講是全體委員括弧七人當時第一版是七個人就是法定人額的整體總額所以那邊就已經\n主委說明一下我們現在人數只剩下三人很多的會議沒有辦法召開那所受到影響的電信資訊以及媒體相關的業務佔了我們的業務的幾%來說明一下\n主要的部分以案件數來換因為我們每年有一萬多件的處分案那這裡頭有很多是有線電視的頻道上下架這一塊是很大的主體其他相對於根據組織法九條二項五款之外\n委員會沒有保留事項的部分我們還可以做分層授權的方式來處理那跟民眾關係比較重大的跟視聽大眾有關主要是傳播那一塊還有這個電信的部分當然是涉及到根據九條二項五款是必須要有那個進行執照得上變更的部分才會有影響主要的影響最大的還是在傳播領域這邊好 主委有的人說那\n要四個人才可以開會那三個人不可以開嗎當然是不行啦因為我們的組織法第十條第三項就明文規定委員總額的過半數同意\n就是說它是法定總和7人之過半數而不是現有人數的過半數應該是這樣嗎是的沒錯好另外我們的組織法第4條裡面明文規定我們的通訊傳播委員會的委員是必須具有電信資訊法律財經等相關背景的人來共同組成\n那就是希望說他是透過專業的分工然後集體的角色這樣的原則在處理相關的議題那如果是三個人的話就會失於偏頗或是過於壟斷相關的這種專業的領域的專業分工這也會造成影響來說明一下\n委員說到重點我們組織法第四條委員的組成有經濟、電信、傳播、法治那目前我們的剩下的三位委員裡頭缺乏傳播的所以這一部分要處理傳播的部分本來就是專業的多元性本來就是師之益與那其他的部分其他即便是電信那是也有一些產業或者一些涉及到匯流的時代也會有一些傳播的議題那這邊都是相對沒辦法處理的\n更何況是剛剛委員所提到的這個要法定人員的過半這邊都是沒有辦法來組成委員會好 主委我們現在已經提到暫時執照沒有辦法處理法院的指揮沒有辦法處理分層覺醒的方式也沒有辦法去處理那我簡單兩個建議第一個NCC是否能夠主動發函建議業者來維持現有的播出然後我們要提供行政解釋跟法律的一個\n緩衝的空間 這個有沒有問題包委員沒有問題 我們先前處理台北營業兩家就是這種方式處理 我們後續也會照這種方式來繼續處理好 在相關的法令的程序上如果說NCC的人士啊 辭職無法避免沒有辦法解決啦 如果有這種狀況是否能夠盡速的公告暫行的處理原則來 在法令上來 請主委說明一下\n我們會透過這個資訊對外揭露方式比方說記者會、新聞稿還有其實相關的利害關係的業者他們大概都會有收到這方面訊息就像之前那兩家台北營業的那兩家還有未來其他35家我們大概都會循這方式處理那會讓他們知道就是兩個剛剛前面跟委員報告過的\n官員通知他你的換照進駐你沒有故意過失你進行到100公尺的90公尺然後告訴平台業者你要尊重視聽眾權益以及你如果要下架處理要有法徵 法徵必須要經過委員會通過這些我們都會適時適切的把這資訊對外來公開\n好 相關NCC的業務其實是對於民生對於國家的發展它影響非常的重要不管是電信資訊或者是影視相關的產業以及廣大的使用者相關的權益NCC還是要站在第一線來捍衛民眾的權利這個必須要加強努力是 我們會繼續努力好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.633 --> 00:04.958\n謝謝昭偉請一下陳代理主委好陳代理主委\n\n00:11.551 --> 00:30.647\n主委你好我看我們NCC的委員現在委員的人數不足當然他也影響到多家的業者他們換照的這個時程當然大家都知道在6月30號之前因為面臨執照屆期的廣電還有相關的未廣事業總共有37家\n\n00:32.068 --> 00:47.325\n那無線廣播有25家無線的電視有4家那未廣的頻道有8家事業還有9個頻道那在這邊我要請教一下主委那相關的6月底屆時如果無法販照會面臨兩個問題\n\n00:50.188 --> 01:06.566\n第一個問題當然就是無法播出停止播出第二個問題就是說它執照失效但是它繼續的這種播出其實就面臨到一個法律的灰色地帶那NCC在處理的原則是什麼來簡單說明一下\n\n01:08.457 --> 01:25.095\n公文報告關於停止播音這一塊的一律部分在如果是上有線電視系統的話因為有線電視如果他是列屬基本頻道的話根據流廣法29條規定他必須要到我們NCC來核准經過委員會核准\n\n01:26.977 --> 01:49.737\n那也剛好因為現在沒有辦法組成NCC委員會議所以如果他是列組基本頻道的部分基本上剛好兩個法會互相有一個協力部分所以基本上是不會被下架現在受影響的業者啊他們是依法無門要合法無土啊我看我這個台北\n\n01:51.464 --> 02:12.899\n營業股份有限公司就是NTV跟NickJunior兩個頻道的所有者他們在2月21日向台北高等行政法院遞交定暫時的狀態處分但是法院沒有受理那法院駁回的理由他認為說NCC還是具有裁量的這個空間法院不能越處代跑\n\n02:14.020 --> 02:26.393\n這份駁回其實它也顯示行政人士的辭職會導致業者依法無門合法無土面對這樣的困境主委讓你補充說明一下\n\n02:27.242 --> 02:55.848\n是那業者救濟部分目前都遇到阻礙那我們也可以理解說在這種情況之下後續的處理當然是建議平台業者能夠基於保障消費視聽眾的權益及公共利益來考量來為優先考量在剛剛說明如果他是在有線電視的基本隸屬基本頻道部分因為他要報主委你說希望業者以這樣的一個\n\n02:57.830 --> 03:21.901\n民眾的收視收聽的權利啊為優先的原則那要怎麼去處理呢我看我們這個通傳會在2月20號有召開學者專家的這個諮詢會議啊各方當然對於是否構成違法與是否裁法其實是有不同的意見但是他的共識啊\n\n03:23.820 --> 03:36.376\n大家都認為是沒有辦法透過暫時的執照或是法院的指揮或是分層覺醒的方式來做處理那你們的態度跟原則來說明一下\n\n03:37.535 --> 04:00.583\n是的即便是林照等等部分都要委員會來處理暫時執照不可行對沒錯法院也提出明確的一個看法了那分層覺醒的處理方式也沒有辦法去落實相關這種執照停播與否的這樣的一個法律灰色地帶\n\n04:01.973 --> 04:21.981\n對因為我們組織法第九條第二項的第五款這個經營權的得上變更的處理必須是委員會議的保留事項這邊目前三個委員的質疑會議是沒有辦法處理的那至於部分保障市聽眾權益的部分我們持續會跟平台來講\n\n04:23.422 --> 04:38.839\n大致上是我們會做兩個動作那換照的業者我們會發一個觀念通知函給他告訴他說你的申請換照我們已經進行到的100公尺已經進行到90公尺了你們沒有故意過失所以在我們也會給\n\n04:40.120 --> 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