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00:01:37,097\n他們的晚會什麼如果在那個晚會中他做出對我們貶抑台灣或者是做出對我們不利的就是不要有不當的發言對就像這種我們會變更具體然後他有些商業活動\n\n5\n00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:52,988\n有沒有附帶條件是需要再講說我是中國人台灣是中國的一部分你的商業活動裡面有沒有這個附帶條件我們會對這個事情比過去更積極一點其實會比較明確一點我建議吳浩平這邊你們其實在指引中可以很明確地點出違法的樣態讓相關人員知道說什麼樣子的行為是違反了我們兩岸人民關係條例也讓相關的從業者知道說哪些行為是有疑慮的\n\n6\n00:02:07,057 --> 00:02:32,287\n所以現在文化部已經在研擬了是已經很具體了好那大概什麼時候會發布我們就會配合陸委會因為我們最近一直在談的條文更具體那我們的譬如我們行政調查是跟著陸委會走文化部他沒有調查權所以我們是要跟陸委會一起做就是配合陸委會這邊的我們會配合他然後條文的修正我們也提供給他我們的意見好謝謝部長\n\n7\n00:02:34,008 --> 00:02:47,871\n好那我們就來談一下我們文化部這邊被大規模且不合理的煽動的這個情況之下我們為了相關文化發展及宣傳很焦慮的時候其實很多的文化人卻背負著討飯要飯的這個罵名本席真的覺得非常的心疼非常的難過部長您認為\n\n8\n00:02:54,553 --> 00:03:21,228\n當申請文化部的補助我們依循著政策及國家發展的方向製作相關影視音作品這是對的嗎這是我們依循著國家政策跟國家發展方向來製作影視音作品然後我們申請文化部的補助這個方向是對的嗎一定要做因為很多產業必須靠我們政府的一些政策還有一些經費的補助其實我們補助的是整個產業啦\n\n9\n00:03:23,306 --> 00:03:35,377\n對但是文化部呢你們部長您認為文化部是應該只作為資源分配者不負責把關還是應該要有文化相關制定的這個方向有方針才是對的\n\n10\n00:03:37,133 --> 00:04:02,107\n基本上我們是一個言論很自由的地方我們不會特別限制送來的題材申請的題材我們嚴格限制要哪一種但是我們會從送來題材裡面挑選比較有國際性的比較商業在文化上比較深度的對於文化部來講我們不會訂條文但是我們會朝著我們希望的一個文化走向來做選擇部長針對\n\n11\n00:04:04,248 --> 00:04:25,060\n國民黨籍某立委說受到很多文化部的檢舉案就說你們只要是不按照這個意識形態就不給補助這個部長您說明一下其實我必須憑良心講這是胡說八道我自己經歷過一個戒嚴時代所有的輔導金所有的評審都可以作弊有關說我都經歷過當評審\n\n12\n00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:46,126\n到了後來2000年政黨輪替慢慢走向自由的時候我必須告訴你連我都不知道哪一部戲被選上我完全授權給評審評審選完送到我那邊來我看到那一刻我才知道是誰被選上中間完全沒有關說完全沒有壓力所以\n\n13\n00:04:47,087 --> 00:04:57,704\n說我們文化部會意識形態的控制是沒有了解台灣社會如何從一個戒嚴黨國體制走到一個多麼自由的社會\n\n14\n00:04:59,444 --> 00:05:18,622\n對所以說針對這位立委這樣的說法是完全不正確的完全用想像的這邊其實本席要強調就是說文化部的這個經費補助其實跟很多的地方活動及地方再造是有關的那我們補助重點文化產業國家語言這個發展是我們一直在努力的目標\n\n15\n00:05:19,403 --> 00:05:31,937\n我們要把需要國家力量扶植的文化產業把對於國家文化有熱忱的文化人我們要去扶植他我們要去鼓勵他我們要去支持他但是說成是要犯賊這是非常非常傷人的\n\n16\n00:05:34,400 --> 00:06:00,998\n接下來還是要討論關於我們預算的部分我們文化外交的部分部長我相信你們對我們之前我們對文化部我們這些相關的文化外交運動外交我們把視為我們重要的軟實力這個你也很認同所以你很致力很努力的在推展我們也希望透過文化的交流讓國際間看到我們台灣的活力我們台灣的創造力包容力一起展現我們民族的底蘊\n\n17\n00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:28,348\n很大的好評我們做的像這個珍珠奶茶雞排的小徽章是深受各國選手的喜愛這就是我們文化外交可愛溫暖又吸引人的地方那我們本來文化部呢預計在114年8月在大阪辦理的這個台灣藝文系列的展演呢9月份也會參加全球最大的新媒體藝術節就是在奧地利的靈芝電子藝術節\n\n18\n00:06:31,584 --> 00:06:47,297\n本席想要請教說那這些文化外交的活動我們會不會因為預算被煽動有所影響因為我知道說外交部跟文化部是兩大完全被刪除宣傳費的重災戶那這個相關的預算被煽動之後我們\n\n19\n00:06:52,521 --> 00:07:01,950\n相關的這些活動會不會有所影響還有我們文化部轄下的博物館114年有沒有安排到國外展覽規劃然後被這些山東預算而影響的\n\n20\n00:07:04,037 --> 00:07:22,482\n我分兩個重點來講如果我們大阮世博要到日本去我們本來有編個大概兩千萬的那個沒宣費那兩千萬被刪掉之後我們就整個的宣傳片沒有其實沒宣費被刪除這件事情使得我們每件活動\n\n21\n00:07:23,382 --> 00:07:43,954\n都沒辦法宣傳這才是很重要因為你活動辦下去沒有人知道那這個很嚴重譬如文化幣我們希望更多人知道可是我沒有錢宣傳文化幣所以整個以前我們編的預算編在交流師要出國去補助很多人住村或者表演團體出國\n\n22\n00:07:45,575 --> 00:08:11,248\n其實那個錢說了很心酸大概都一二十萬一二十萬就這個錢你幫我一三兩千萬的話我這些團都出不去了那大阪師伯我不能宣傳了那林佳龍部長也很可憐因為他是外交部就他都不能出國他來找我們的意思就是說我們也想用兩個部的力量看能不能把這個活動做得比較多一點人知道\n\n23\n00:08:12,128 --> 00:08:27,296\n我們兩個在討論的時候都在說你有沒有錢我也有沒有錢你可不可以多出一點你不覺得兩個這麼大的部門只是去國外做個活動要這麼可憐到互相說你可不可以多出一點這就是我其實一直在覺得這麼一點點錢都不給我們的話\n\n24\n00:08:29,477 --> 00:08:47,009\n那我們台灣的文化本來你看看去年它就已經在國外已經開花結果了表演團體文學各種藝術它已經開花結果了為什麼在這個時候你再多給我們一點點都不會為過何況你把我刪掉刪得比去年還少那這就是重點了\n\n25\n00:08:47,878 --> 00:09:16,283\n那這些受影響的這些部分呢我們除了剛剛部長您說的可能會找企業來協助對我覺得這個時候我們就只好靠一些民間的力量譬如說這次大阪世博民間就發起一個是台灣的館就是我覺得台灣的民間社會是最可愛的當我們不行的時候他們可能會站出來幫忙我剛剛前面已經解釋了我們出國的錢去找企業贊助\n\n26\n00:09:17,803 --> 00:09:40,886\n那個車飛機票那一刻我一方面很心酸一方面我覺得還好我們有民間力量也很感動對謝謝部長本席這邊要強調就是說其實預算的合理刪減對部會是有鞭策的效果但是我們現在面對的是說不合理的刪減其實也是對我們文化人很不合理的這個批評跟待遇這個部分我也希望文化部你們要堅持\n\n27\n00:09:42,047 --> 00:10:07,507\n繼續努力我們一起努力一起打拼那接下來我還要關心的這個部分也是因為預算被刪了我們本來預計在台南這個首府大學他退場之後我們要把他做為一個典藏中心但是現在這個一億人全數遭刪除那相信也是影響未來藏品這個空間的規劃跟安排因為我們這個典藏是本來是要來收藏本土的作品那現在這個預算被刪了之後我們後續我們要如何來持續這個相關的計畫\n\n28\n00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:33,154\n謝謝委員問這個問題其實長期以來文化部都有典藏的不夠的問題因為文化部有非常多博物館關市台南就有文學館歷史博物館那我們本來就不夠所以我們要蓋在首府大學是一個聯合典藏中心希望蓋一個很大的聯合典藏中心把原來不夠的地方可以補足那台南國家美術館成立關市\n\n29\n00:10:37,735 --> 00:11:06,478\n陳承波的後代就捐了兩千件東西給我們可是他捐不出來因為我們沒有地方可以放嘛所以你可以想像民間這麼多人願意捐這麼珍貴的東西給我們我們一個國家一個文化部竟然拿不出一個典藏中心去接納那我們編了一億這一億只夠我們剛開始規劃到啟動可能還要好幾年才做好你把我一億刪掉之後就表示我這件事情又要再等一年\n\n30\n00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:35,155\n那我覺得不是不能刪預算是要知道那個每一筆預算它的目的是什麼它的用處在哪裡它會影響很深遠你把我刪掉了看起來只是一個錢但它會影響到我怎麼去那你整個計畫都延宕啦你後面的規劃都沒有辦法延續下去一定是啊所以我們現在只能在現有的那個場館裡面或者我們去幫助民間他們去收藏我們編一點預算幫他去繼續保存就是只能這樣做\n\n31\n00:11:35,575 --> 00:11:35,595\n謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4642\t7645\t有關於附中的演藝工作者的指引我們什麼時候會提供 其實近年來屢屢有提\n31284\t51536\t發聲說說台灣的演藝工作者在中國的網路平台他因為配合發布中國統戰的這個圖文那我本席相信說我們台灣的民眾會很希望也會很支持文化部你們做出指引所以希望文化部這邊可以給一個我們大概什麼時候會有一個明確指引發布的時間讓我們附中的演藝工作者有所依詢\n53393\t81359\t基本上過去我們不會針對特定的對象對他做出任何規定我們就配合那個陸委會他本身有一個對於去中國的演藝人員的一些規範那經過這一波下來之後發現那些規範可能不夠了所以我們最近有從文化部的角度擬了好幾條會希望建議給這個陸委會包括說我們的去中國發展的藝人他們如果參加\n82279\t97097\t他們的晚會什麼如果在那個晚會中他做出對我們貶抑台灣或者是做出對我們不利的就是不要有不當的發言對 就像這種我們會變更具體然後他有些商業活動\n98098\t112988\t有沒有附帶條件是需要再講說我是中國人台灣是中國的一部分你的商業活動裡面有沒有這個附帶條件我們會對這個事情比過去更積極一點其實會比較明確一點我建議吳浩平這邊你們其實在指引中可以很明確地點出違法的樣態讓相關人員知道說什麼樣子的行為是違反了我們兩岸人民關係條例也讓相關的從業者知道說哪些行為是有疑慮的\n127057\t152287\t所以現在文化部已經在研擬了是已經很具體了好那大概什麼時候會發布我們就會配合陸委會因為我們最近一直在談的條文更具體那我們的譬如我們行政調查是跟著陸委會走文化部他沒有調查權所以我們是要跟陸委會一起做就是配合陸委會這邊的我們會配合他然後條文的修正我們也提供給他我們的意見好 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所以說針對這位立委這樣的說法是完全不正確的完全用想像的這邊其實本席要強調就是說文化部的這個經費補助其實跟很多的地方活動及地方再造是有關的那我們補助重點文化產業國家語言這個發展是我們一直在努力的目標\n319403\t331937\t我們要把需要國家力量扶植的文化產業把對於國家文化有熱忱的文化人我們要去扶植他我們要去鼓勵他我們要去支持他但是說成是要犯賊這是非常非常傷人的\n334400\t360998\t接下來還是要討論關於我們預算的部分我們文化外交的部分部長我相信你們對我們之前我們對文化部我們這些相關的文化外交運動外交我們把視為我們重要的軟實力這個你也很認同所以你很致力很努力的在推展我們也希望透過文化的交流讓國際間看到我們台灣的活力我們台灣的創造力包容力一起展現我們民族的底蘊\n364400\t388348\t很大的好評我們做的像這個珍珠奶茶雞排的小徽章是深受各國選手的喜愛這就是我們文化外交可愛溫暖又吸引人的地方那我們本來文化部呢預計在114年8月在大阪辦理的這個台灣藝文系列的展演呢9月份也會參加全球最大的新媒體藝術節就是在奧地利的靈芝電子藝術節\n391584\t407297\t本席想要請教說那這些文化外交的活動我們會不會因為預算被煽動有所影響因為我知道說外交部跟文化部是兩大完全被刪除宣傳費的重災戶那這個相關的預算被煽動之後我們\n412521\t421950\t相關的這些活動會不會有所影響還有我們文化部轄下的博物館114年有沒有安排到國外展覽規劃然後被這些山東預算而影響的\n424037\t442482\t我分兩個重點來講如果我們大阮世博要到日本去我們本來有編個大概兩千萬的那個沒宣費那兩千萬被刪掉之後我們就整個的宣傳片沒有其實沒宣費被刪除這件事情使得我們每件活動\n443382\t463954\t都沒辦法宣傳這才是很重要因為你活動辦下去沒有人知道那這個很嚴重譬如文化幣我們希望更多人知道可是我沒有錢宣傳文化幣所以整個以前我們編的預算編在交流師要出國去補助很多人住村或者表演團體出國\n465575\t491248\t其實那個錢說了很心酸大概都一二十萬一二十萬就這個錢你幫我一三兩千萬的話我這些團都出不去了那大阪師伯我不能宣傳了那林佳龍部長也很可憐因為他是外交部就他都不能出國他來找我們的意思就是說我們也想用兩個部的力量看能不能把這個活動做得比較多一點人知道\n492128\t507296\t我們兩個在討論的時候都在說 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其實近年來屢屢有提\n發聲說說台灣的演藝工作者在中國的網路平台他因為配合發布中國統戰的這個圖文那我本席相信說我們台灣的民眾會很希望也會很支持文化部你們做出指引所以希望文化部這邊可以給一個我們大概什麼時候會有一個明確指引發布的時間讓我們附中的演藝工作者有所依詢\n基本上過去我們不會針對特定的對象對他做出任何規定我們就配合那個陸委會他本身有一個對於去中國的演藝人員的一些規範那經過這一波下來之後發現那些規範可能不夠了所以我們最近有從文化部的角度擬了好幾條會希望建議給這個陸委會包括說我們的去中國發展的藝人他們如果參加\n他們的晚會什麼如果在那個晚會中他做出對我們貶抑台灣或者是做出對我們不利的就是不要有不當的發言對 就像這種我們會變更具體然後他有些商業活動\n有沒有附帶條件是需要再講說我是中國人台灣是中國的一部分你的商業活動裡面有沒有這個附帶條件我們會對這個事情比過去更積極一點其實會比較明確一點我建議吳浩平這邊你們其實在指引中可以很明確地點出違法的樣態讓相關人員知道說什麼樣子的行為是違反了我們兩岸人民關係條例也讓相關的從業者知道說哪些行為是有疑慮的\n所以現在文化部已經在研擬了是已經很具體了好那大概什麼時候會發布我們就會配合陸委會因為我們最近一直在談的條文更具體那我們的譬如我們行政調查是跟著陸委會走文化部他沒有調查權所以我們是要跟陸委會一起做就是配合陸委會這邊的我們會配合他然後條文的修正我們也提供給他我們的意見好 謝謝部長\n好那我們就來談一下我們文化部這邊被大規模且不合理的煽動的這個情況之下我們為了相關文化發展及宣傳很焦慮的時候其實很多的文化人卻背負著討飯要飯的這個罵名本席真的覺得非常的心疼非常的難過部長您認為\n當申請文化部的補助我們依循著政策及國家發展的方向製作相關影視音作品這是對的嗎這是我們依循著國家政策跟國家發展方向來製作影視音作品然後我們申請文化部的補助這個方向是對的嗎一定要做因為很多產業必須靠我們政府的一些政策還有一些經費的補助其實我們補助的是整個產業啦\n對 但是文化部呢你們部長您認為文化部是應該只作為資源分配者不負責把關還是應該要有文化相關制定的這個方向有方針才是對的\n基本上我們是一個言論很自由的地方我們不會特別限制送來的題材申請的題材我們嚴格限制要哪一種但是我們會從送來題材裡面挑選比較有國際性的比較商業在文化上比較深度的對於文化部來講我們不會訂條文但是我們會朝著我們希望的一個文化走向來做選擇部長針對\n國民黨籍某立委說 受到很多文化部的檢舉案就說你們只要是不按照這個意識形態就不給補助 這個部長您說明一下其實我必須憑良心講這是胡說八道我自己經歷過一個戒嚴時代所有的輔導金 所有的評審都可以作弊有關說 我都經歷過當評審\n到了後來2000年政黨輪替慢慢走向自由的時候我必須告訴你連我都不知道哪一部戲被選上我完全授權給評審評審選完送到我那邊來我看到那一刻我才知道是誰被選上中間完全沒有關說完全沒有壓力所以\n說我們文化部會意識形態的控制是沒有了解台灣社會如何從一個戒嚴黨國體制走到一個多麼自由的社會\n對 所以說針對這位立委這樣的說法是完全不正確的完全用想像的這邊其實本席要強調就是說文化部的這個經費補助其實跟很多的地方活動及地方再造是有關的那我們補助重點文化產業國家語言這個發展是我們一直在努力的目標\n我們要把需要國家力量扶植的文化產業把對於國家文化有熱忱的文化人我們要去扶植他我們要去鼓勵他我們要去支持他但是說成是要犯賊這是非常非常傷人的\n接下來還是要討論關於我們預算的部分我們文化外交的部分部長我相信你們對我們之前我們對文化部我們這些相關的文化外交運動外交我們把視為我們重要的軟實力這個你也很認同所以你很致力很努力的在推展我們也希望透過文化的交流讓國際間看到我們台灣的活力我們台灣的創造力包容力一起展現我們民族的底蘊\n很大的好評我們做的像這個珍珠奶茶雞排的小徽章是深受各國選手的喜愛這就是我們文化外交可愛溫暖又吸引人的地方那我們本來文化部呢預計在114年8月在大阪辦理的這個台灣藝文系列的展演呢9月份也會參加全球最大的新媒體藝術節就是在奧地利的靈芝電子藝術節\n本席想要請教說那這些文化外交的活動我們會不會因為預算被煽動有所影響因為我知道說外交部跟文化部是兩大完全被刪除宣傳費的重災戶那這個相關的預算被煽動之後我們\n相關的這些活動會不會有所影響還有我們文化部轄下的博物館114年有沒有安排到國外展覽規劃然後被這些山東預算而影響的\n我分兩個重點來講如果我們大阮世博要到日本去我們本來有編個大概兩千萬的那個沒宣費那兩千萬被刪掉之後我們就整個的宣傳片沒有其實沒宣費被刪除這件事情使得我們每件活動\n都沒辦法宣傳這才是很重要因為你活動辦下去沒有人知道那這個很嚴重譬如文化幣我們希望更多人知道可是我沒有錢宣傳文化幣所以整個以前我們編的預算編在交流師要出國去補助很多人住村或者表演團體出國\n其實那個錢說了很心酸大概都一二十萬一二十萬就這個錢你幫我一三兩千萬的話我這些團都出不去了那大阪師伯我不能宣傳了那林佳龍部長也很可憐因為他是外交部就他都不能出國他來找我們的意思就是說我們也想用兩個部的力量看能不能把這個活動做得比較多一點人知道\n我們兩個在討論的時候都在說 你有沒有錢我也有沒有錢你可不可以多出一點你不覺得兩個這麼大的部門只是去國外做個活動要這麼可憐到互相說你可不可以多出一點這就是我其實一直在覺得這麼一點點錢都不給我們的話\n那我們台灣的文化本來你看看去年它就已經在國外已經開花結果了表演團體 文學 各種藝術它已經開花結果了為什麼在這個時候你再多給我們一點點都不會為過何況你把我刪掉 刪得比去年還少那這就是重點了\n那這些受影響的這些部分呢我們除了剛剛部長您說的可能會找企業來協助對我覺得這個時候我們就只好靠一些民間的力量譬如說這次大阪世博民間就發起一個是台灣的館就是我覺得台灣的民間社會是最可愛的當我們不行的時候他們可能會站出來幫忙我剛剛前面已經解釋了我們出國的錢去找企業贊助\n那個車 飛機票那一刻我一方面很心酸一方面我覺得還好我們有民間力量 也很感動對 謝謝部長本席這邊要強調就是說其實預算的合理刪減對部會是有鞭策的效果但是我們現在面對的是說不合理的刪減其實也是對我們文化人很不合理的這個批評跟待遇這個部分我也希望文化部你們要堅持\n繼續努力我們一起努力一起打拼那接下來我還要關心的這個部分也是因為預算被刪了我們本來預計在台南這個首府大學他退場之後我們要把他做為一個典藏中心但是現在這個一億人全數遭刪除那相信也是影響未來藏品這個空間的規劃跟安排因為我們這個典藏是本來是要來收藏本土的作品那現在這個預算被刪了之後我們後續我們要如何來持續這個相關的計畫\n謝謝委員問這個問題其實長期以來文化部都有典藏的不夠的問題因為文化部有非常多博物館關市台南就有文學館歷史博物館那我們本來就不夠所以我們要蓋在首府大學是一個聯合典藏中心希望蓋一個很大的聯合典藏中心把原來不夠的地方可以補足那台南國家美術館成立關市\n陳承波的後代就捐了兩千件東西給我們可是他捐不出來因為我們沒有地方可以放嘛所以你可以想像民間這麼多人願意捐這麼珍貴的東西給我們我們一個國家一個文化部竟然拿不出一個典藏中心去接納那我們編了一億這一億只夠我們剛開始規劃到啟動可能還要好幾年才做好你把我一億刪掉之後就表示我這件事情又要再等一年\n那我覺得不是不能刪預算是要知道那個每一筆預算它的目的是什麼它的用處在哪裡它會影響很深遠你把我刪掉了看起來只是一個錢但它會影響到我怎麼去那你整個計畫都延宕啦你後面的規劃都沒有辦法延續下去一定是啊所以我們現在只能在現有的那個場館裡面或者我們去幫助民間他們去收藏我們編一點預算幫他去繼續保存就是只能這樣做\n謝謝 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.642 --> 00:07.645\n有關於附中的演藝工作者的指引我們什麼時候會提供其實近年來屢屢有提\n\n00:31.284 --> 00:51.536\n發聲說說台灣的演藝工作者在中國的網路平台他因為配合發布中國統戰的這個圖文那我本席相信說我們台灣的民眾會很希望也會很支持文化部你們做出指引所以希望文化部這邊可以給一個我們大概什麼時候會有一個明確指引發布的時間讓我們附中的演藝工作者有所依詢\n\n00:53.393 --> 01:21.359\n基本上過去我們不會針對特定的對象對他做出任何規定我們就配合那個陸委會他本身有一個對於去中國的演藝人員的一些規範那經過這一波下來之後發現那些規範可能不夠了所以我們最近有從文化部的角度擬了好幾條會希望建議給這個陸委會包括說我們的去中國發展的藝人他們如果參加\n\n01:22.279 --> 01:37.097\n他們的晚會什麼如果在那個晚會中他做出對我們貶抑台灣或者是做出對我們不利的就是不要有不當的發言對就像這種我們會變更具體然後他有些商業活動\n\n01:38.098 --> 01:52.988\n有沒有附帶條件是需要再講說我是中國人台灣是中國的一部分你的商業活動裡面有沒有這個附帶條件我們會對這個事情比過去更積極一點其實會比較明確一點我建議吳浩平這邊你們其實在指引中可以很明確地點出違法的樣態讓相關人員知道說什麼樣子的行為是違反了我們兩岸人民關係條例也讓相關的從業者知道說哪些行為是有疑慮的\n\n02:07.057 --> 02:32.287\n所以現在文化部已經在研擬了是已經很具體了好那大概什麼時候會發布我們就會配合陸委會因為我們最近一直在談的條文更具體那我們的譬如我們行政調查是跟著陸委會走文化部他沒有調查權所以我們是要跟陸委會一起做就是配合陸委會這邊的我們會配合他然後條文的修正我們也提供給他我們的意見好謝謝部長\n\n02:34.008 --> 02:47.871\n好那我們就來談一下我們文化部這邊被大規模且不合理的煽動的這個情況之下我們為了相關文化發展及宣傳很焦慮的時候其實很多的文化人卻背負著討飯要飯的這個罵名本席真的覺得非常的心疼非常的難過部長您認為\n\n02:54.553 --> 03:21.228\n當申請文化部的補助我們依循著政策及國家發展的方向製作相關影視音作品這是對的嗎這是我們依循著國家政策跟國家發展方向來製作影視音作品然後我們申請文化部的補助這個方向是對的嗎一定要做因為很多產業必須靠我們政府的一些政策還有一些經費的補助其實我們補助的是整個產業啦\n\n03:23.306 --> 03:35.377\n對但是文化部呢你們部長您認為文化部是應該只作為資源分配者不負責把關還是應該要有文化相關制定的這個方向有方針才是對的\n\n03:37.133 --> 04:02.107\n基本上我們是一個言論很自由的地方我們不會特別限制送來的題材申請的題材我們嚴格限制要哪一種但是我們會從送來題材裡面挑選比較有國際性的比較商業在文化上比較深度的對於文化部來講我們不會訂條文但是我們會朝著我們希望的一個文化走向來做選擇部長針對\n\n04:04.248 --> 04:25.060\n國民黨籍某立委說受到很多文化部的檢舉案就說你們只要是不按照這個意識形態就不給補助這個部長您說明一下其實我必須憑良心講這是胡說八道我自己經歷過一個戒嚴時代所有的輔導金所有的評審都可以作弊有關說我都經歷過當評審\n\n04:27.199 --> 04:46.126\n到了後來2000年政黨輪替慢慢走向自由的時候我必須告訴你連我都不知道哪一部戲被選上我完全授權給評審評審選完送到我那邊來我看到那一刻我才知道是誰被選上中間完全沒有關說完全沒有壓力所以\n\n04:47.087 --> 04:57.704\n說我們文化部會意識形態的控制是沒有了解台灣社會如何從一個戒嚴黨國體制走到一個多麼自由的社會\n\n04:59.444 --> 05:18.622\n對所以說針對這位立委這樣的說法是完全不正確的完全用想像的這邊其實本席要強調就是說文化部的這個經費補助其實跟很多的地方活動及地方再造是有關的那我們補助重點文化產業國家語言這個發展是我們一直在努力的目標\n\n05:19.403 --> 05:31.937\n我們要把需要國家力量扶植的文化產業把對於國家文化有熱忱的文化人我們要去扶植他我們要去鼓勵他我們要去支持他但是說成是要犯賊這是非常非常傷人的\n\n05:34.400 --> 06:00.998\n接下來還是要討論關於我們預算的部分我們文化外交的部分部長我相信你們對我們之前我們對文化部我們這些相關的文化外交運動外交我們把視為我們重要的軟實力這個你也很認同所以你很致力很努力的在推展我們也希望透過文化的交流讓國際間看到我們台灣的活力我們台灣的創造力包容力一起展現我們民族的底蘊\n\n06:04.400 --> 06:28.348\n很大的好評我們做的像這個珍珠奶茶雞排的小徽章是深受各國選手的喜愛這就是我們文化外交可愛溫暖又吸引人的地方那我們本來文化部呢預計在114年8月在大阪辦理的這個台灣藝文系列的展演呢9月份也會參加全球最大的新媒體藝術節就是在奧地利的靈芝電子藝術節\n\n06:31.584 --> 06:47.297\n本席想要請教說那這些文化外交的活動我們會不會因為預算被煽動有所影響因為我知道說外交部跟文化部是兩大完全被刪除宣傳費的重災戶那這個相關的預算被煽動之後我們\n\n06:52.521 --> 07:01.950\n相關的這些活動會不會有所影響還有我們文化部轄下的博物館114年有沒有安排到國外展覽規劃然後被這些山東預算而影響的\n\n07:04.037 --> 07:22.482\n我分兩個重點來講如果我們大阮世博要到日本去我們本來有編個大概兩千萬的那個沒宣費那兩千萬被刪掉之後我們就整個的宣傳片沒有其實沒宣費被刪除這件事情使得我們每件活動\n\n07:23.382 --> 07:43.954\n都沒辦法宣傳這才是很重要因為你活動辦下去沒有人知道那這個很嚴重譬如文化幣我們希望更多人知道可是我沒有錢宣傳文化幣所以整個以前我們編的預算編在交流師要出國去補助很多人住村或者表演團體出國\n\n07:45.575 --> 08:11.248\n其實那個錢說了很心酸大概都一二十萬一二十萬就這個錢你幫我一三兩千萬的話我這些團都出不去了那大阪師伯我不能宣傳了那林佳龍部長也很可憐因為他是外交部就他都不能出國他來找我們的意思就是說我們也想用兩個部的力量看能不能把這個活動做得比較多一點人知道\n\n08:12.128 --> 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