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00:00:33,542\n後面還有財政部跟這個財政部副部長這後面還有經貿談判辦公室這個市長你好委員好關於金門這個商圈這個議題金門商圈這個議題就是經濟部之前有持續在協助我們金門做商圈的這個活絡經濟112年分別幫助我們後埔沙美那113年幫助後埔沙美列嶼經營這些商圈那時候本席有請這個那時候叫中小企業處現在是\n\n3\n00:00:34,302 --> 00:00:50,294\n從小就是新創署去金門做振興行銷的規劃那時候做法是用免費發放200塊的數位購物金就用行動支付的方式希望商家導入這種行動支付來刺激經濟\n\n4\n00:00:54,698 --> 00:01:09,716\n我們看今年度經濟部的商業發展署還是有擬定活絡商圈的計畫來幫助各地的商圈現在是商業發展署做我們的離島經濟你們不知道有沒有了解離島的經濟部分因為我們離島人少\n\n5\n00:01:11,978 --> 00:01:31,388\n整個經濟的發展都比較潛疊那時候比較依賴外來因為人少消費相對少市場是很潛疊的比較仰賴外來的觀光客所以商圈要發展特色我也跟貴部的中紀署的署長也有討論過就我們的很多條件都\n\n6\n00:01:32,188 --> 00:01:55,268\n比較劣勢離島地區條件都比較劣勢之前因為我們用的是行動支付這個部分所以我們在想說這個部分可能再想看看這後面我會提到基本上用的也是相當少有一些劣勢有一些因為因素的關係所以我想跟您請教先請教說這個部分有沒有打算怎麼來協助我們離島的經濟的發展\n\n7\n00:01:59,433 --> 00:02:23,100\n報告委員因為這個議題我不是很熟悉但是我認為說現在要這個活絡商圈本來就是經濟部要推動的業務當然也要包括進門地區另外呢您有提到這個這個要用數位的部分我們現在經濟部的重點就是幫助我們的中小企業要數位化智慧化這個部分\n\n8\n00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:45,635\n容委員我回去以後再找中小企業署跟商業署來對可以特別來因為金門地區相對商家也少事實上可以當作一個你們可以實驗的可以優先推的地方是比較容易成功的這個可能要請你們回去思考一下我們請財政部我請教一下這個小規模營業人導入行動支付的這個部分\n\n9\n00:02:47,822 --> 00:03:12,607\n這個部長你們這個小規模營業人導入行動支付的租稅優惠是延長到今年底然後就是可是根據財政部你們的統計從2018年推動到今這個行動支付這個7年小規模營業人大概是50萬家到今年1月底只有19000家有導入可見這個推的效果很差你們的當然你們又給1%的這個租稅優惠\n\n10\n00:03:15,467 --> 00:03:23,471\n是不是因為誘因不足呢?還是什麼原因呢?這個小規模行動支付的部分其實我們一直希望小規模營業人能導入行動支付所以在營業稅的部分雖然它有銷售超過20萬也可以用1%的這個來查訂稅額來課徵營業稅這個部分是我們一直在鼓勵的部分那我想效果一定有啦效果是一定有\n\n11\n00:03:43,161 --> 00:03:44,523\n金門地區更少金門地區才0.4%16000家只有74家島嶺\n\n12\n00:04:00,003 --> 00:04:03,847\n那為什麼呢因為金門地區根據離島建築條例它在銷售交付的交售這個當地的貨物的話它是免徵營業稅的所以這個誘因對我們是沒有用的嘛對金門來說它可能雖然有這個但是\n\n13\n00:04:16,118 --> 00:04:45,157\n可是未來消費者可能會希望用這個行動支付來來購買東西會對他來說很方便那我覺得消費者的要求也是很重要的所以我的意思就是說我們配合這個經濟部這一邊就是說因為你們這個誘因太少我們等於是免徵營業稅然後你又這個給他一趴這跟你們是零嘛那沒有誘因那我覺得這個行動支付對這個整個國家發展其實也是很重要啦所以我們提出這個日本跟韓國的案例給你們看他們那時候日本在2019年修正消費\n\n14\n00:04:46,438 --> 00:04:58,771\n稅法的時候還提出電子智慧站商家導入的這個費用和手續費消費者還可以得到2到5%的實質回饋那整個行動事務比例就激增了韓國也藉由買賣商使用這個提供這個租稅優惠所以請你們大概\n\n15\n00:05:02,415 --> 00:05:16,627\n兩個部會回去都幫我們想一下可不可以提出一個更大誘因的方案的設計以金門可以做一個實驗的起點讓金門的離島可以優先事辦然後了解的話看怎麼再推往整個台澎金這樣有沒有問題\n\n16\n00:05:18,468 --> 00:05:33,141\n委員提出的建議我們都會來演繹大概需要多久的時間呢這個部分是不是我們可以會同經濟部一起是不是給我們三個月的時間三個月的時間給我們一個答案現在我們請經貿談判辦公室議務總代表請\n\n17\n00:05:41,693 --> 00:06:00,689\n原副總談判代表我看我們今天我其實今天蠻高興的我看到今天很多我們的這個不管部會首長也好還是我們這些各部會的次長還有這個談判的這個副代表都是女性啊女性都有看到吧女性很優秀這個很多優秀的女性喔不錯這個川普對等關稅可能會影響我們的\n\n18\n00:06:02,350 --> 00:06:06,973\n汽車業剛也有很多委員有提到剛也提到財經院說影響汽車跟農產品剛也再提到說汽車的進口的關稅是我國進口汽車的關稅是17.5%然後這個出口到台灣的汽車當然沒什麼出口相對的很少出口到美國的關稅是2.5%那這兩個相差很大\n\n19\n00:06:23,323 --> 00:06:44,533\n那如果以對等關稅互惠的概念以美國川普總統他要把他的製造業留在美國Mega的做法MakeAmericaGreatAgain他要這樣的做法我想可能在這個汽車關稅的部分可能會變成是我們後面不知道有沒有機會談判啦或者是他可能直接要求的這種方向你認為呢\n\n20\n00:06:47,305 --> 00:07:15,039\n我們目前觀察到美國的做法呢他可能就是4月2號向汽車關稅會先上路那因為他的可能的策略上面就是可能公佈之後然後再來跟個別的國家進行談判因為我們跟他的差距太大了我們那邊2.5他這邊17.5進來嘛一的就是我們要他會讓我們提高我們的但我們的出口量很少所以影響很小或者是他要幫助他的汽車出口嘛他會要求我們17.5往下降嘛那因為對於\n\n21\n00:07:16,219 --> 00:07:43,646\n進口汽車這個關稅的部分包括本國這個部分其實我們跟財政部也部長財政部我們也談了很多次就是財政部以前也就回覆過因為我們都一直覺得國內的這個汽車實在是價錢太高真的比出這個很多國家我們的汽車汽車也是人民很重要的負擔房子汽車我們汽車這麼貴事實上的確有必要讓人民減輕負擔所以我們一直希望說這個部分是不是財政部有回覆過我們都希望這個關稅的部分或者\n\n22\n00:07:45,346 --> 00:07:59,913\n財務部一直回答都一樣就是說電動車免什麼貨物稅都有講那我們也不是說要偏影響到國內的這個汽車產業那至少這個關稅部分是不是也可以要隨之考慮調整或者你們還是會繼續堅守防線\n\n23\n00:08:02,748 --> 00:08:26,683\n我覺得我們還是要等4月2號得到的我們當然知道你要等4月等到那個新的但是不是等他新的USTR的那個代表上來以後你才開始做準備嘛我們總是要知道你有沒有做相關的這個準備啦或者說你們對即將面臨的這個像川普總統他常常當然因為我們的跟他順差實在是排的比較前面嘛即將面臨不然你們覺得\n\n24\n00:08:27,703 --> 00:08:51,634\n剛剛我們說汽車跟農業當然都是媒體的相關報導那不然以你的判斷哪一些產業比較可能受到影響對台灣來講我覺得整體來說川普政府現在在做的事情是像汽車關稅跟他之前的鋼鋁稅是用同一個232法案而公佈的國家安全稅那接下來要談的對等關稅是另外一個概念而產生出來的\n\n25\n00:08:51,954 --> 00:09:08,953\n每一個國家會有個單一的稅率所以我們必須要等到4月2號它綜合全部都公布之後那因為Rubio美國Rubio特別有提到說等到他們4月2號公布之後美國跟這些雙邊的這個關係才會有一個公平的新的談判貿易基礎\n\n26\n00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:29,466\n我們不是我們今天請你來當然就不是在等他公佈之後我們就這樣請你先預作準備預作判斷那我們想請你讓我們知道因為我們剛剛看了其實我也看了你們的整個這個報告寫的是算是很很簡略啦基本上也是等於沒寫什麼我們想說你們有沒有做相關準備哪一些的產業可能要做\n\n27\n00:09:30,326 --> 00:09:53,884\n相關的準備比如說像我看這個汽車可能大家的媒體也是這樣講汽車啦農產品可能是他在乎那我們還有沒有其他產業會受到影響比如說我剛剛看我們這個相關部會報告經濟報告我們出口很多很大一部分是晶片嘛這個半導體產業那這個產業有沒有可能受到影響或者是還有其他產業比較可能受到影響的產業的這個順序啊相關的你們應該也有相當的準備吧\n\n28\n00:09:57,366 --> 00:09:57,847\n所以今天給的報告相當簡略\n\n29\n00:10:12,366 --> 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Again他要這樣的做法我想可能在這個汽車關稅的部分可能會變成是我們後面不知道有沒有機會談判啦或者是他可能直接要求的這種方向你認為呢\n407305\t435039\t我們目前觀察到美國的做法呢他可能就是4月2號向汽車關稅會先上路那因為他的可能的策略上面就是可能公佈之後然後再來跟個別的國家進行談判因為我們跟他的差距太大了我們那邊2.5他這邊17.5進來嘛一的就是我們要他會讓我們提高我們的但我們的出口量很少所以影響很小或者是他要幫助他的汽車出口嘛他會要求我們17.5往下降嘛那因為對於\n436219\t463646\t進口汽車這個關稅的部分包括本國這個部分其實我們跟財政部也部長 財政部我們也談了很多次就是財政部以前也就回覆過因為我們都一直覺得國內的這個汽車實在是價錢太高真的比出這個很多國家我們的汽車汽車也是人民很重要的負擔房子 汽車我們汽車這麼貴事實上的確有必要讓人民減輕負擔所以我們一直希望說這個部分是不是財政部有回覆過我們都希望這個關稅的部分或者\n465346\t479913\t財務部一直回答都一樣就是說電動車免什麼貨物稅都有講那我們也不是說要偏影響到國內的這個汽車產業那至少這個關稅部分是不是也可以要隨之考慮調整或者你們還是會繼續堅守防線\n482748\t506683\t我覺得我們還是要等4月2號得到的我們當然知道你要等4月 等到那個新的但是不是等他新的USTR的那個代表上來以後你才開始做準備嘛我們總是要知道你有沒有做相關的這個準備啦或者說你們對即將面臨的這個像川普總統他常常當然 因為我們的跟他順差實在是排的比較前面嘛即將面臨 不然你們覺得\n507703\t531634\t剛剛我們說汽車跟農業當然都是媒體的相關報導那不然以你的判斷哪一些產業比較可能受到影響對台灣來講我覺得整體來說川普政府現在在做的事情是像汽車關稅跟他之前的鋼鋁稅是用同一個232法案而公佈的國家安全稅那接下來要談的對等關稅是另外一個概念而產生出來的\n531954\t548953\t每一個國家會有個單一的稅率所以我們必須要等到4月2號它綜合全部都公布之後那因為Rubio美國Rubio特別有提到說等到他們4月2號公布之後美國跟這些雙邊的這個關係才會有一個公平的新的談判貿易基礎\n550114\t569466\t我們不是我們今天請你來當然就不是在等他公佈之後我們就這樣請你先預作準備預作判斷那我們想請你讓我們知道因為我們剛剛看了其實我也看了你們的整個這個報告寫的是算是很很簡略啦基本上也是等於沒寫什麼我們想說你們有沒有做相關準備哪一些的產業可能要做\n570326\t593884\t相關的準備比如說像我看這個汽車可能大家的媒體也是這樣講汽車啦 農產品可能是他在乎那我們還有沒有其他產業會受到影響比如說我剛剛看我們這個相關部會報告經濟報告我們出口很多很大一部分是晶片嘛這個半導體產業那這個產業有沒有可能受到影響或者是還有其他產業比較可能受到影響的產業的這個順序啊相關的你們應該也有相當的準備吧\n597366\t597847\t所以今天給的報告相當簡略\n612366\t636920\t看不出你們有什麼充分的準備跟檢討我是寧願相信因為談判有很多東西是不適合事先揭露要當作留作當你談判的籌碼我寧願正面的這樣相信所以我們希望說如果這個汽車到時候汽車關稅如果要調整那經濟部一心一意考慮這個本土汽車產業到時候也要考慮怎麼樣來調適什麼來協助\n640322\t648877\t那這個籌碼就留在您的手上了好 謝謝好 謝謝陳立正委員的質詢下一位請黃恩珊珊委員質詢請\n","txt":"來吧 經理部次長來 叫次長去\n後面還有財政部跟這個財政部副部長這後面還有經貿談判辦公室這個市長你好委員好關於金門這個商圈這個議題金門商圈這個議題就是經濟部之前有持續在協助我們金門做商圈的這個活絡經濟112年分別幫助我們後埔 沙美那113年幫助後埔 沙美列嶼經營這些商圈那時候本席有請這個那時候叫中小企業處現在是\n從小就是新創署去金門做振興行銷的規劃那時候做法是用免費發放200塊的數位購物金就用行動支付的方式希望商家導入這種行動支付來刺激經濟\n我們看今年度經濟部的商業發展署還是有擬定活絡商圈的計畫來幫助各地的商圈現在是商業發展署做我們的離島經濟你們不知道有沒有了解離島的經濟部分因為我們離島人少\n整個經濟的發展都比較潛疊那時候比較依賴外來因為人少消費相對少市場是很潛疊的比較仰賴外來的觀光客所以商圈要發展特色我也跟貴部的中紀署的署長也有討論過就我們的很多條件都\n比較劣勢 離島地區條件都比較劣勢之前因為我們用的是行動支付這個部分所以我們在想說 這個部分可能再想看看這後面我會提到 基本上用的也是相當少有一些劣勢 有一些因為因素的關係所以我想跟您請教 先請教說這個部分有沒有打算怎麼來協助我們離島的經濟的發展\n報告委員因為這個議題我不是很熟悉但是我認為說現在要這個活絡商圈本來就是經濟部要推動的業務當然也要包括進門地區另外呢您有提到這個這個要用數位的部分我們現在經濟部的重點就是幫助我們的中小企業要數位化智慧化這個部分\n容委員我回去以後再找中小企業署跟商業署來對可以特別來因為金門地區相對商家也少事實上可以當作一個你們可以實驗的可以優先推的地方是比較容易成功的這個可能要請你們回去思考一下我們請財政部我請教一下這個小規模營業人導入行動支付的這個部分\n這個部長你們這個小規模營業人導入行動支付的租稅優惠是延長到今年底然後就是可是根據財政部你們的統計從2018年推動到今這個行動支付這個7年小規模營業人大概是50萬家到今年1月底只有19000家有導入可見這個推的效果很差你們的當然你們又給1%的這個租稅優惠\n是不是因為誘因不足呢?還是什麼原因呢?這個小規模行動支付的部分其實我們一直希望小規模營業人能導入行動支付所以在營業稅的部分雖然它有銷售超過20萬也可以用1%的這個來查訂稅額來課徵營業稅這個部分是我們一直在鼓勵的部分那我想效果一定有啦 效果是一定有\n金門地區更少 金門地區才0.4% 16000家只有74家島嶺\n那為什麼呢因為金門地區根據離島建築條例它在銷售交付的交售這個當地的貨物的話它是免徵營業稅的所以這個誘因對我們是沒有用的嘛對金門來說它可能雖然有這個但是\n可是未來消費者可能會希望用這個行動支付來來購買東西會對他來說很方便那我覺得消費者的要求也是很重要的所以我的意思就是說我們配合這個經濟部這一邊就是說因為你們這個誘因太少我們等於是免徵營業稅然後你又這個給他一趴這跟你們是零嘛那沒有誘因那我覺得這個行動支付對這個整個國家發展其實也是很重要啦所以我們提出這個日本跟韓國的案例給你們看他們那時候日本在2019年修正消費\n稅法的時候還提出電子智慧站商家導入的這個費用和手續費消費者還可以得到2到5%的實質回饋那整個行動事務比例就激增了韓國也藉由買賣商使用這個提供這個租稅優惠所以請你們大概\n兩個部會回去都幫我們想一下可不可以提出一個更大誘因的方案的設計以金門可以做一個實驗的起點讓金門的離島可以優先事辦然後了解的話看怎麼再推往整個台澎金這樣有沒有問題\n委員提出的建議我們都會來演繹大概需要多久的時間呢這個部分是不是我們可以會同經濟部一起是不是給我們三個月的時間三個月的時間給我們一個答案現在我們請經貿談判辦公室議務總代表請\n原副總談判代表我看我們今天我其實今天蠻高興的我看到今天很多我們的這個不管部會首長也好還是我們這些各部會的次長還有這個談判的這個副代表都是女性啊女性都有看到吧女性很優秀這個很多優秀的女性喔不錯這個川普對等關稅可能會影響我們的\n汽車業 剛也有很多委員有提到剛也提到 財經院說影響汽車跟農產品剛也再提到說汽車的進口的關稅是我國進口汽車的關稅是17.5%然後這個出口到台灣的汽車當然沒什麼出口相對的很少出口到美國的關稅是2.5%那這兩個相差很大\n那如果以對等關稅互惠的概念以美國川普總統他要把他的製造業留在美國Mega的做法Make America Great Again他要這樣的做法我想可能在這個汽車關稅的部分可能會變成是我們後面不知道有沒有機會談判啦或者是他可能直接要求的這種方向你認為呢\n我們目前觀察到美國的做法呢他可能就是4月2號向汽車關稅會先上路那因為他的可能的策略上面就是可能公佈之後然後再來跟個別的國家進行談判因為我們跟他的差距太大了我們那邊2.5他這邊17.5進來嘛一的就是我們要他會讓我們提高我們的但我們的出口量很少所以影響很小或者是他要幫助他的汽車出口嘛他會要求我們17.5往下降嘛那因為對於\n進口汽車這個關稅的部分包括本國這個部分其實我們跟財政部也部長 財政部我們也談了很多次就是財政部以前也就回覆過因為我們都一直覺得國內的這個汽車實在是價錢太高真的比出這個很多國家我們的汽車汽車也是人民很重要的負擔房子 汽車我們汽車這麼貴事實上的確有必要讓人民減輕負擔所以我們一直希望說這個部分是不是財政部有回覆過我們都希望這個關稅的部分或者\n財務部一直回答都一樣就是說電動車免什麼貨物稅都有講那我們也不是說要偏影響到國內的這個汽車產業那至少這個關稅部分是不是也可以要隨之考慮調整或者你們還是會繼續堅守防線\n我覺得我們還是要等4月2號得到的我們當然知道你要等4月 等到那個新的但是不是等他新的USTR的那個代表上來以後你才開始做準備嘛我們總是要知道你有沒有做相關的這個準備啦或者說你們對即將面臨的這個像川普總統他常常當然 因為我們的跟他順差實在是排的比較前面嘛即將面臨 不然你們覺得\n剛剛我們說汽車跟農業當然都是媒體的相關報導那不然以你的判斷哪一些產業比較可能受到影響對台灣來講我覺得整體來說川普政府現在在做的事情是像汽車關稅跟他之前的鋼鋁稅是用同一個232法案而公佈的國家安全稅那接下來要談的對等關稅是另外一個概念而產生出來的\n每一個國家會有個單一的稅率所以我們必須要等到4月2號它綜合全部都公布之後那因為Rubio美國Rubio特別有提到說等到他們4月2號公布之後美國跟這些雙邊的這個關係才會有一個公平的新的談判貿易基礎\n我們不是我們今天請你來當然就不是在等他公佈之後我們就這樣請你先預作準備預作判斷那我們想請你讓我們知道因為我們剛剛看了其實我也看了你們的整個這個報告寫的是算是很很簡略啦基本上也是等於沒寫什麼我們想說你們有沒有做相關準備哪一些的產業可能要做\n相關的準備比如說像我看這個汽車可能大家的媒體也是這樣講汽車啦 農產品可能是他在乎那我們還有沒有其他產業會受到影響比如說我剛剛看我們這個相關部會報告經濟報告我們出口很多很大一部分是晶片嘛這個半導體產業那這個產業有沒有可能受到影響或者是還有其他產業比較可能受到影響的產業的這個順序啊相關的你們應該也有相當的準備吧\n所以今天給的報告相當簡略\n看不出你們有什麼充分的準備跟檢討我是寧願相信因為談判有很多東西是不適合事先揭露要當作留作當你談判的籌碼我寧願正面的這樣相信所以我們希望說如果這個汽車到時候汽車關稅如果要調整那經濟部一心一意考慮這個本土汽車產業到時候也要考慮怎麼樣來調適什麼來協助\n那這個籌碼就留在您的手上了好 謝謝好 謝謝陳立正委員的質詢下一位請黃恩珊珊委員質詢請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.230 --> 00:02.905\n來吧經理部次長來叫次長去\n\n00:04.957 --> 00:33.542\n後面還有財政部跟這個財政部副部長這後面還有經貿談判辦公室這個市長你好委員好關於金門這個商圈這個議題金門商圈這個議題就是經濟部之前有持續在協助我們金門做商圈的這個活絡經濟112年分別幫助我們後埔沙美那113年幫助後埔沙美列嶼經營這些商圈那時候本席有請這個那時候叫中小企業處現在是\n\n00:34.302 --> 00:50.294\n從小就是新創署去金門做振興行銷的規劃那時候做法是用免費發放200塊的數位購物金就用行動支付的方式希望商家導入這種行動支付來刺激經濟\n\n00:54.698 --> 01:09.716\n我們看今年度經濟部的商業發展署還是有擬定活絡商圈的計畫來幫助各地的商圈現在是商業發展署做我們的離島經濟你們不知道有沒有了解離島的經濟部分因為我們離島人少\n\n01:11.978 --> 01:31.388\n整個經濟的發展都比較潛疊那時候比較依賴外來因為人少消費相對少市場是很潛疊的比較仰賴外來的觀光客所以商圈要發展特色我也跟貴部的中紀署的署長也有討論過就我們的很多條件都\n\n01:32.188 --> 01:55.268\n比較劣勢離島地區條件都比較劣勢之前因為我們用的是行動支付這個部分所以我們在想說這個部分可能再想看看這後面我會提到基本上用的也是相當少有一些劣勢有一些因為因素的關係所以我想跟您請教先請教說這個部分有沒有打算怎麼來協助我們離島的經濟的發展\n\n01:59.433 --> 02:23.100\n報告委員因為這個議題我不是很熟悉但是我認為說現在要這個活絡商圈本來就是經濟部要推動的業務當然也要包括進門地區另外呢您有提到這個這個要用數位的部分我們現在經濟部的重點就是幫助我們的中小企業要數位化智慧化這個部分\n\n02:24.020 --> 02:45.635\n容委員我回去以後再找中小企業署跟商業署來對可以特別來因為金門地區相對商家也少事實上可以當作一個你們可以實驗的可以優先推的地方是比較容易成功的這個可能要請你們回去思考一下我們請財政部我請教一下這個小規模營業人導入行動支付的這個部分\n\n02:47.822 --> 03:12.607\n這個部長你們這個小規模營業人導入行動支付的租稅優惠是延長到今年底然後就是可是根據財政部你們的統計從2018年推動到今這個行動支付這個7年小規模營業人大概是50萬家到今年1月底只有19000家有導入可見這個推的效果很差你們的當然你們又給1%的這個租稅優惠\n\n03:15.467 --> 03:23.471\n是不是因為誘因不足呢?還是什麼原因呢?這個小規模行動支付的部分其實我們一直希望小規模營業人能導入行動支付所以在營業稅的部分雖然它有銷售超過20萬也可以用1%的這個來查訂稅額來課徵營業稅這個部分是我們一直在鼓勵的部分那我想效果一定有啦效果是一定有\n\n03:43.161 --> 03:44.523\n金門地區更少金門地區才0.4%16000家只有74家島嶺\n\n04:00.003 --> 04:03.847\n那為什麼呢因為金門地區根據離島建築條例它在銷售交付的交售這個當地的貨物的話它是免徵營業稅的所以這個誘因對我們是沒有用的嘛對金門來說它可能雖然有這個但是\n\n04:16.118 --> 04:45.157\n可是未來消費者可能會希望用這個行動支付來來購買東西會對他來說很方便那我覺得消費者的要求也是很重要的所以我的意思就是說我們配合這個經濟部這一邊就是說因為你們這個誘因太少我們等於是免徵營業稅然後你又這個給他一趴這跟你們是零嘛那沒有誘因那我覺得這個行動支付對這個整個國家發展其實也是很重要啦所以我們提出這個日本跟韓國的案例給你們看他們那時候日本在2019年修正消費\n\n04:46.438 --> 04:58.771\n稅法的時候還提出電子智慧站商家導入的這個費用和手續費消費者還可以得到2到5%的實質回饋那整個行動事務比例就激增了韓國也藉由買賣商使用這個提供這個租稅優惠所以請你們大概\n\n05:02.415 --> 05:16.627\n兩個部會回去都幫我們想一下可不可以提出一個更大誘因的方案的設計以金門可以做一個實驗的起點讓金門的離島可以優先事辦然後了解的話看怎麼再推往整個台澎金這樣有沒有問題\n\n05:18.468 --> 05:33.141\n委員提出的建議我們都會來演繹大概需要多久的時間呢這個部分是不是我們可以會同經濟部一起是不是給我們三個月的時間三個月的時間給我們一個答案現在我們請經貿談判辦公室議務總代表請\n\n05:41.693 --> 06:00.689\n原副總談判代表我看我們今天我其實今天蠻高興的我看到今天很多我們的這個不管部會首長也好還是我們這些各部會的次長還有這個談判的這個副代表都是女性啊女性都有看到吧女性很優秀這個很多優秀的女性喔不錯這個川普對等關稅可能會影響我們的\n\n06:02.350 --> 06:06.973\n汽車業剛也有很多委員有提到剛也提到財經院說影響汽車跟農產品剛也再提到說汽車的進口的關稅是我國進口汽車的關稅是17.5%然後這個出口到台灣的汽車當然沒什麼出口相對的很少出口到美國的關稅是2.5%那這兩個相差很大\n\n06:23.323 --> 06:44.533\n那如果以對等關稅互惠的概念以美國川普總統他要把他的製造業留在美國Mega的做法MakeAmericaGreatAgain他要這樣的做法我想可能在這個汽車關稅的部分可能會變成是我們後面不知道有沒有機會談判啦或者是他可能直接要求的這種方向你認為呢\n\n06:47.305 --> 07:15.039\n我們目前觀察到美國的做法呢他可能就是4月2號向汽車關稅會先上路那因為他的可能的策略上面就是可能公佈之後然後再來跟個別的國家進行談判因為我們跟他的差距太大了我們那邊2.5他這邊17.5進來嘛一的就是我們要他會讓我們提高我們的但我們的出口量很少所以影響很小或者是他要幫助他的汽車出口嘛他會要求我們17.5往下降嘛那因為對於\n\n07:16.219 --> 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