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00:02:36,491\n也就是說核心指針是用人機關要去界定的但我們的考試的科目跟命題大綱跟出題這個應該要對準工作上的需要而不是變成學術的因為你要是來的人才他培訓下去又不合格又不適用那這個真的是浪費時間也是糟蹋了這個人才第二個我們也希望就是說在過程當中也不是只有學術界的人來協助我們做專業的檢定\n\n9\n00:02:39,853 --> 00:02:50,708\n應該是用人機關也可以在這個過程中扮演一定的角色特別是多設計有沒有需要面試面試的時候我們也會強調用人機關一定要在其中這樣實務經驗的鑑定才能夠在面試當中發揮它的功能\n\n10\n00:02:57,296 --> 00:03:09,630\n國外他們有這樣的制度我們拿來做參考實質上在我們考試院在運作的時候能夠精準對準的這個機關所需要的也就是考用合一\n\n11\n00:03:10,291 --> 00:03:39,091\n這是非常的重要隨時去盤點這個進行方案務必要落實接下來我們要討論公務人員遭職場霸凌後親身的憾事發生當然我們不希望這種發生但是發生了之後社會非常的滑爛在這樣的一個情況之下防治公務體系職場霸凌保修會最近在公務人員安全以及衛生防護的辦法修正草案\n\n12\n00:03:39,871 --> 00:03:51,699\n那麼你們也訂定了專節明訂職場霸凌申訴處理的程序經預告七天後呢七天並評估各界的意見保証會會持續跟用人機關單位來嚴明修正\n\n13\n00:03:56,763 --> 00:04:10,459\n並盡速的提出最適當的方案要報請考試院會來做核定那麼請教最後才送到這個立法院那請教目前的進度如何因為怎麼樣去落實申訴\n\n14\n00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:30,508\n以及諮商的輔導政策基層公務人員他可能會因為他的考機制度缺乏向上考核評鑑的制度以及商調制度等等的這些原因所以在面對不合理的一個職場待遇的時候他求助無門所以公務機關要留才現在已經非常的困難我們要怎麼樣去努力\n\n15\n00:04:36,211 --> 00:04:49,381\n維護公務人員的權益這一點是在結果錄裡頭非常的重要所以請教目前的進度如何那針對於這個落實申訴以及智商輔導的政策又是如何請做說明好委員好跟委員說明目前我們在這個2月27號已經進行這個安全及衛生防護辦法的公告那\n\n16\n00:05:05,717 --> 00:05:32,335\n在此同時呢同時已經召開了大概有四場的非常廣泛的在徵詢意見那此外呢目前在安慰辦法的部分呢我們仍然還在持續的徵詢各方的意見不過呢基本上安全防護辦法已經大致成形了那它的母法是保障法那保障法呢目前呢我們也新增了很多的部分包含了職場霸凌定義\n\n17\n00:05:33,436 --> 00:05:55,032\n的入法然後呢當中有關於申訴的部分很清楚然後對於呢職場霸凌後續的究竟那諮商輔導的這一塊呢跟委員報告諮商輔導呢這個在整個職場霸凌的這個過程裡面呢它是屬於前端的防治跟事件一發生的過程那這個諮商輔導的部分呢在各機關裡面會根據\n\n18\n00:05:56,809 --> 00:06:18,471\n市場霸凌的這個防治呢立即採取只要機關知悉然後或者是透過別的方式知悉他馬上就會進行輔導那同時現在政府裡面有員工協助方案都可以啟動針對這兩塊的部分是本席非常的重視那照你剛剛所說的諮商輔導的部分本席認為如果依照目前這樣子執行似乎\n\n19\n00:06:19,171 --> 00:06:45,134\n我們還是很多的事件發生表示我們的方案還有待精進趁著現在正在整體性的一個整合跟討論我希望這兩塊的部分必須要好好的去精進出它的軌道出來讓它有所依才能夠真正的去保障我們的公務人員的一個權益請加油這個部分那你們把你們整合後的基礎方案也送交一份給本席\n\n20\n00:06:46,054 --> 00:07:06,446\n好謝謝最後一個問題我想要請教就是台灣推動委員會也就是說研議增調公務人員的身心調適價上週任市長在這裡跟我一起來討論也說了3月17號這個方案已經提交公告了也提交給行政院那將來這個階段就是要匯考試院\n\n21\n00:07:09,088 --> 00:07:36,421\n那麼行政院方案在這個當中七天的試駕要挪出三天作為身心調試駕那機關身心調試駕是要給心不能反對也不需要提出證明機關也不能在考機這一點非常重要不能在考機等方面做出有害的一個處分所以請教秘書長到目前為止我們的身心調試駕的立場及建立立場是什麼請說說明\n\n22\n00:07:39,266 --> 00:08:02,973\n跟委員報告這個人事總署的討論過程都要全區部一起參與大家討論出這個方向之外所以這案子送到我們這邊我們會修請假規則還有相關的規定方向就是陳如我剛剛所提出的也是人事長在前上一次會議跟我討論的這個方向那麼考試院也是依照這樣子的一個方向跟立場\n\n23\n00:08:03,913 --> 00:08:28,286\n對沒有錯我們會修訂請假規則還有相關的規定好那這個時間我們要加油因為本席認為保障公務人員的身心可以得到保障這是非常非常的重要而且他在請假的時候不可以被說刁難所以因此我們會特別來提出也就是說不能反對也不需要提出證明這個在上次跟人講我也謝謝考試院\n\n24\n00:08:29,907 --> 00:08:30,548\n我們現在整合完成就趕快來做修法的工作謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3099\t7122\t謝謝主席 楊全勳發言 邀請祕書長我想請考選部跟選舉部一塊 我們共同討論 謝謝\n16003\t18465\t我們現在討論用人機關的選採方式用人機關參與的選採過程是有一些國家我們來做討論比如說像美國、英國、新加坡都是由用人機關自辦考試\n36723\t53994\t因此用人機關幾乎都是從選材的程序一開始他就整個全程的來參與根據用人的需求彈性設計不同的選擇方式包括了他的工作分析、資格審查、筆試、面試以及試用期\n54634\t67879\t當然最重要的是他擁有了最終用人的決定權這個在其他國家有這麼做因此參與程度呢他是非常的高那麼我們目前當然是有考試院來做專責處理國家考試這個\n71681\t89422\t考選人才所以因此要請教首先請教秘書長我們要怎麼樣來調整考試制度以達到考用合一的這個目標我們要怎麼樣才能夠確保到招募到的人那他這個人才是適合用人機關的請說明\n91404\t109830\t謝謝委員 委員舉到這些國外的例子的確是重點那這凸顯出我國的這個考選制度公委員考選制度跟其他國家體制上很大的落差那所以它造成有這樣的一個疑慮委員關心的考院合一的問題所以從上一屆考試院到現在我們都很強調跟行政院之間的溝通那跟用人機關參與選材這個做法\n111651\t131320\t這個非常重要用人機關現在沒有辦法有選擇權它只能有人分發來之後的訓練級合格的淘汰但是在前期的考試的部分我們現在有一些做法就是第一個現在就從核心職能的檢討怎麼去跟我們的考試的內容做連結\n132441\t156491\t也就是說核心指針是用人機關要去界定的但我們的考試的科目跟命題大綱跟出題這個應該要對準工作上的需要而不是變成學術的因為你要是來的人才他培訓下去又不合格又不適用那這個真的是浪費時間也是糟蹋了這個人才第二個我們也希望就是說在過程當中也不是只有學術界的人來協助我們做專業的檢定\n159853\t170708\t應該是用人機關也可以在這個過程中扮演一定的角色特別是多設計有沒有需要面試面試的時候我們也會強調用人機關一定要在其中這樣實務經驗的鑑定才能夠在面試當中發揮它的功能\n177296\t189630\t國外他們有這樣的制度我們拿來做參考實質上在我們考試院在運作的時候能夠精準對準的這個機關所需要的也就是考用合一\n190291\t219091\t這是非常的重要隨時去盤點這個進行方案務必要落實接下來我們要討論公務人員遭職場霸凌後親身的憾事發生當然我們不希望這種發生但是發生了之後 社會非常的滑爛在這樣的一個情況之下防治公務體系職場霸凌保修會最近在公務人員安全以及衛生防護的辦法修正草案\n219871\t231699\t那麼你們也訂定了專節 明訂職場霸凌申訴處理的程序經預告七天後呢 七天並評估各界的意見保証會會持續跟用人機關單位來嚴明修正\n236763\t250459\t並盡速的提出最適當的方案要報請考試院會來做核定那麼請教最後才送到這個立法院那請教目前的進度如何因為怎麼樣去落實申訴\n251460\t270508\t以及諮商的輔導政策基層公務人員他可能會因為他的考機制度缺乏向上考核評鑑的制度以及商調制度等等的這些原因所以在面對不合理的一個職場待遇的時候他求助無門所以公務機關要留才現在已經非常的困難我們要怎麼樣去努力\n276211\t289381\t維護公務人員的權益這一點是在結果錄裡頭非常的重要所以請教目前的進度如何那針對於這個落實申訴以及智商輔導的政策又是如何 請做說明好 委員好 跟委員說明目前我們在這個2月27號已經進行這個安全及衛生防護辦法的公告那\n305717\t332335\t在此同時呢 同時已經召開了大概有四場的非常廣泛的在徵詢意見那此外呢 目前在安慰辦法的部分呢我們仍然還在持續的徵詢各方的意見不過呢 基本上安全防護辦法已經大致成形了那它的母法是保障法那保障法呢 目前呢我們也新增了很多的部分包含了職場霸凌定義\n333436\t355032\t的入法然後呢當中有關於申訴的部分很清楚然後對於呢職場霸凌後續的究竟那諮商輔導的這一塊呢跟委員報告諮商輔導呢這個在整個職場霸凌的這個過程裡面呢它是屬於前端的防治跟事件一發生的過程那這個諮商輔導的部分呢在各機關裡面會根據\n356809\t378471\t市場霸凌的這個防治呢立即採取只要機關知悉然後或者是透過別的方式知悉他馬上就會進行輔導那同時現在政府裡面有員工協助方案都可以啟動針對這兩塊的部分是本席非常的重視那照你剛剛所說的諮商輔導的部分本席認為如果依照目前這樣子執行似乎\n379171\t405134\t我們還是很多的事件發生表示我們的方案還有待精進趁著現在正在整體性的一個整合跟討論我希望這兩塊的部分必須要好好的去精進出它的軌道出來讓它有所依才能夠真正的去保障我們的公務人員的一個權益請加油這個部分那你們把你們整合後的基礎方案也送交一份給本席\n406054\t426446\t好 謝謝最後一個問題我想要請教就是台灣推動委員會也就是說研議增調公務人員的身心調適價上週任市長在這裡跟我一起來討論也說了3月17號這個方案已經提交公告了也提交給行政院那將來這個階段就是要匯考試院\n429088\t456421\t那麼行政院方案在這個當中七天的試駕要挪出三天作為身心調試駕那機關身心調試駕是要給心 不能反對也不需要提出證明機關也不能在考機 這一點非常重要不能在考機等方面做出有害的一個處分所以請教秘書長 到目前為止我們的身心調試駕的立場及建立立場是什麼 請說說明\n459266\t482973\t跟委員報告這個人事總署的討論過程都要全區部一起參與大家討論出這個方向之外所以這案子送到我們這邊我們會修請假規則還有相關的規定方向就是陳如我剛剛所提出的也是人事長在前上一次會議跟我討論的這個方向那麼考試院也是依照這樣子的一個方向跟立場\n483913\t508286\t對 沒有錯 我們會修訂請假規則還有相關的規定好 那這個時間我們要加油因為本席認為保障公務人員的身心可以得到保障這是非常非常的重要而且他在請假的時候不可以被說刁難所以因此我們會特別來提出也就是說不能反對也不需要提出證明這個在上次跟人講我也謝謝考試院\n509907\t510548\t我們現在整合完成就趕快來做修法的工作謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 楊全勳發言 邀請祕書長我想請考選部跟選舉部一塊 我們共同討論 謝謝\n我們現在討論用人機關的選採方式用人機關參與的選採過程是有一些國家我們來做討論比如說像美國、英國、新加坡都是由用人機關自辦考試\n因此用人機關幾乎都是從選材的程序一開始他就整個全程的來參與根據用人的需求彈性設計不同的選擇方式包括了他的工作分析、資格審查、筆試、面試以及試用期\n當然最重要的是他擁有了最終用人的決定權這個在其他國家有這麼做因此參與程度呢他是非常的高那麼我們目前當然是有考試院來做專責處理國家考試這個\n考選人才所以因此要請教首先請教秘書長我們要怎麼樣來調整考試制度以達到考用合一的這個目標我們要怎麼樣才能夠確保到招募到的人那他這個人才是適合用人機關的請說明\n謝謝委員 委員舉到這些國外的例子的確是重點那這凸顯出我國的這個考選制度公委員考選制度跟其他國家體制上很大的落差那所以它造成有這樣的一個疑慮委員關心的考院合一的問題所以從上一屆考試院到現在我們都很強調跟行政院之間的溝通那跟用人機關參與選材這個做法\n這個非常重要用人機關現在沒有辦法有選擇權它只能有人分發來之後的訓練級合格的淘汰但是在前期的考試的部分我們現在有一些做法就是第一個現在就從核心職能的檢討怎麼去跟我們的考試的內容做連結\n也就是說核心指針是用人機關要去界定的但我們的考試的科目跟命題大綱跟出題這個應該要對準工作上的需要而不是變成學術的因為你要是來的人才他培訓下去又不合格又不適用那這個真的是浪費時間也是糟蹋了這個人才第二個我們也希望就是說在過程當中也不是只有學術界的人來協助我們做專業的檢定\n應該是用人機關也可以在這個過程中扮演一定的角色特別是多設計有沒有需要面試面試的時候我們也會強調用人機關一定要在其中這樣實務經驗的鑑定才能夠在面試當中發揮它的功能\n國外他們有這樣的制度我們拿來做參考實質上在我們考試院在運作的時候能夠精準對準的這個機關所需要的也就是考用合一\n這是非常的重要隨時去盤點這個進行方案務必要落實接下來我們要討論公務人員遭職場霸凌後親身的憾事發生當然我們不希望這種發生但是發生了之後 社會非常的滑爛在這樣的一個情況之下防治公務體系職場霸凌保修會最近在公務人員安全以及衛生防護的辦法修正草案\n那麼你們也訂定了專節 明訂職場霸凌申訴處理的程序經預告七天後呢 七天並評估各界的意見保証會會持續跟用人機關單位來嚴明修正\n並盡速的提出最適當的方案要報請考試院會來做核定那麼請教最後才送到這個立法院那請教目前的進度如何因為怎麼樣去落實申訴\n以及諮商的輔導政策基層公務人員他可能會因為他的考機制度缺乏向上考核評鑑的制度以及商調制度等等的這些原因所以在面對不合理的一個職場待遇的時候他求助無門所以公務機關要留才現在已經非常的困難我們要怎麼樣去努力\n維護公務人員的權益這一點是在結果錄裡頭非常的重要所以請教目前的進度如何那針對於這個落實申訴以及智商輔導的政策又是如何 請做說明好 委員好 跟委員說明目前我們在這個2月27號已經進行這個安全及衛生防護辦法的公告那\n在此同時呢 同時已經召開了大概有四場的非常廣泛的在徵詢意見那此外呢 目前在安慰辦法的部分呢我們仍然還在持續的徵詢各方的意見不過呢 基本上安全防護辦法已經大致成形了那它的母法是保障法那保障法呢 目前呢我們也新增了很多的部分包含了職場霸凌定義\n的入法然後呢當中有關於申訴的部分很清楚然後對於呢職場霸凌後續的究竟那諮商輔導的這一塊呢跟委員報告諮商輔導呢這個在整個職場霸凌的這個過程裡面呢它是屬於前端的防治跟事件一發生的過程那這個諮商輔導的部分呢在各機關裡面會根據\n市場霸凌的這個防治呢立即採取只要機關知悉然後或者是透過別的方式知悉他馬上就會進行輔導那同時現在政府裡面有員工協助方案都可以啟動針對這兩塊的部分是本席非常的重視那照你剛剛所說的諮商輔導的部分本席認為如果依照目前這樣子執行似乎\n我們還是很多的事件發生表示我們的方案還有待精進趁著現在正在整體性的一個整合跟討論我希望這兩塊的部分必須要好好的去精進出它的軌道出來讓它有所依才能夠真正的去保障我們的公務人員的一個權益請加油這個部分那你們把你們整合後的基礎方案也送交一份給本席\n好 謝謝最後一個問題我想要請教就是台灣推動委員會也就是說研議增調公務人員的身心調適價上週任市長在這裡跟我一起來討論也說了3月17號這個方案已經提交公告了也提交給行政院那將來這個階段就是要匯考試院\n那麼行政院方案在這個當中七天的試駕要挪出三天作為身心調試駕那機關身心調試駕是要給心 不能反對也不需要提出證明機關也不能在考機 這一點非常重要不能在考機等方面做出有害的一個處分所以請教秘書長 到目前為止我們的身心調試駕的立場及建立立場是什麼 請說說明\n跟委員報告這個人事總署的討論過程都要全區部一起參與大家討論出這個方向之外所以這案子送到我們這邊我們會修請假規則還有相關的規定方向就是陳如我剛剛所提出的也是人事長在前上一次會議跟我討論的這個方向那麼考試院也是依照這樣子的一個方向跟立場\n對 沒有錯 我們會修訂請假規則還有相關的規定好 那這個時間我們要加油因為本席認為保障公務人員的身心可以得到保障這是非常非常的重要而且他在請假的時候不可以被說刁難所以因此我們會特別來提出也就是說不能反對也不需要提出證明這個在上次跟人講我也謝謝考試院\n我們現在整合完成就趕快來做修法的工作謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.099 --> 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