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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:09,055 --> 00:00:09,998\n謝謝主席請我們勞動部次長\n\n2\n00:00:21,249 --> 00:00:46,468\n市長好今年這個反正勞動部有示範要這個彈性育嬰假嘛對不對的政策讓勞工可以依個人需求請假那申請的次數從兩次增加到三次但據本席了解去年這個2024年上半年度僅有63家的企業或供應事業表示願意參加那相較於全國有163萬家中小企業是微不足道\n\n3\n00:00:47,088 --> 00:00:57,217\n那今年微幅成長89家這個公司立部門單位那請問次長面對這樣的微幅的增長這個如何評價這個政策的成效\n\n4\n00:00:58,183 --> 00:01:18,730\n然後以及你們應該要如何鼓勵更多企業參與是跟委員說明齁這個只是試辦所以他是採企業志願參加那事實上申請預留的今天的話我們去年總共有九萬三千多個新手爸媽來申請對那八十九家其實他是試辦到去年年底就結束那你們現在怎麼評價這個成效未來會怎麼怎麼去辦理要如何加強\n\n5\n00:01:22,751 --> 00:01:40,012\n我們在過去我剛剛何鮑威有講我們在過去兩個多月已經透過三種管道來搜集譬如說事辦單位請他們來座談諮詢第二個我們也發了所有89家事業單位的問卷調查第三我們主動去拜訪民間托育團現在有結論了嗎\n\n6\n00:01:41,354 --> 00:02:10,814\n我們現在正在想要收集更多的資料那預計什麼時候會收集完成或是檢討完成我們收集資料可能到那個下個月會到一個段然後我們現在目前針對內部已經收集到資料內部再討論我們希望未來那我們洪部長也有一個口頭表達我們希望朝更彈性的方式來辦理好那到時候有具體的這個你們討論完有一些相關具體的\n\n7\n00:02:11,694 --> 00:02:40,655\n结果再麻烦让本席办公室知道没有问题那另外次长也从统计数据上面来看女性和男性申请这个育婴留职停薪的比例从原本的这个超过四倍大概是6.8万跟1.5万到去年底为止有拉近到三倍本席是予以肯定但是这中间的改变主要是当然有政策的介入在110年7月本来投保薪资六成拉到八成数据虽然有改善但是我刚刚说虽然\n\n8\n00:02:41,155 --> 00:03:03,917\n拉到近三倍可是這個差距還是蠻大的所以顯示這個性別不平等的問題仍然蠻嚴重想要請教次長如何進一步進一步縮小這兩性申請育嬰流執停薪的差距是跟委員說明我們現在就是因為那個現在我們部內也正在奉行這個指示在研擬就業保險法的修法\n\n9\n00:03:04,477 --> 00:03:25,903\n那希望能夠把育嬰留子體驗津貼從現在那個新手爸媽各領完六個月之後可以再讓他們各多領一個月那這個我們正在內部在做這個討論所以我也只是接下來就是要問這個因為你們現在是延益延長一個月那你們現在延益增加一個月有預期達成的目標嗎這樣子夠嗎\n\n10\n00:03:27,878 --> 00:03:42,390\n我們我剛剛有跟委員說我們去年全年大概有九萬三千多名那個申請案件就新歐巴馬那我們希望未來所以你們預計的目標是就是修增加一個月的話你們預計成效如何\n\n11\n00:03:42,967 --> 00:04:06,816\n我們希望可以增加大概一定的我們認為一定會有一定的成比例的成長對我是認為估計的話要看我們那個出生嬰兒的一個情況對我是認為說要給可能要一次給到有感我覺得延長一個月不夠可能是要增加兩月從六個月增加到八個月那同時現行是由父母這個最常領六個月的今天是不是應該放寬到雙親均領滿至六個月\n\n12\n00:04:09,637 --> 00:04:31,231\n那我覺得這個訴求是不是也可以去研議因為我覺得如果一次一次一點一點這樣子的效果可能會很有限我們是希望真的讓年輕的父母跟尚未生育的這些父母更願意生養那把這個照顧工作視為一種公共財希望我們這邊是不是可以再進一步的研議一次給到有感而不是這種慢慢的慢慢的\n\n13\n00:04:32,552 --> 00:04:49,486\n像我也說明根據我們去年的研究我們有做大數據分析從2016年到2023年連續六七年的大數據分析我們有申請育嬰留職提供津貼期滿之後回歸職場工作的比例只有82%\n\n14\n00:04:52,048 --> 00:05:12,679\n82%裡面其實也只有58%是穩定就業有24%是不穩定就業就它會中斷就業所以我們也會認為如果在我們現在評估延長一個月多離一個月它的回歸職場的這個比例可能會稍微再向低一點如果要再確定這個數字是相關性嗎\n\n15\n00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:39,249\n我們的長期的我們那個去年長期的分析所以你的意思是說一次增加太多你擔心因為我們因為劉子庭今天的目的就不希望那個新手爸媽離開職場我們目的是要協助他留在職場但我們的長期的大數據分析發現82%也就是說我們擔心可是如果你這樣子那你現在增加這一個月不就是也是一樣會造成同樣的問題嗎\n\n16\n00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:59,285\n這個就是我們平衡考量的結果因為一方面很多民間團體希望要增加一點給付的那個時間可是我們也擔心如果給付一下太多他回到職場的比例會下降所以我們平衡之後增加一個月開始先這樣來做做看\n\n17\n00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:25,447\n我覺得這個部分請你們好好的再演繹一下確定這些相關的數字的可行的關聯性因為你現在你說增加一個月就會減少那增加兩個月好像又更加嚴重有嗎那是不是可以因為這個東西是不是可以給這些父母一次到位的有感也可以影響到他對於生育的意願那我想這兩者的關係你們可能要再請你們再去好好演繹一下一定我們都持續在\n\n18\n00:06:26,347 --> 00:06:47,495\n那個修正那也另外想要再請教這個我們衛福部次長跟我們勞動部次長那當然我們個人是支持這個照顧不離職剛剛有講到那我相信你們也都是這樣支持的對不對所以你們才會想這些事情但是我想還有一個部分就是一年中因為家庭照顧因素而離職的人數你們知道嗎\n\n19\n00:06:51,569 --> 00:07:09,930\n根據我們去年勞動部的工作場所的這個性別工作的調查大概因為這個沒有辦法去精確調查沒有辦法嘛對不對有考慮就曾經因為要照顧家人而考慮離職的比例去年的數據是大概有六成左右所以是非常的高\n\n20\n00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:28,309\n那我就是要跟你報告就是考慮並不是實際的因為實際調查因為你沒有實際的你沒有實際數據嘛所以你說這個考慮離職的比例就會很高那當然相對也很高因為我們在民間聽到的是很高的所以民團也一直有在倡議這個長期照顧安排假所以我想這個部分也是我本席也是非常支持\n\n21\n00:07:28,849 --> 00:07:46,134\n那所以也想要問我們的勞動部次長今年也進入著所謂的超高齡的社會那我想每個家庭也都會面臨到這樣所謂的長照議題也顯示我們長期照顧假的這個迫切性所以想要請教在勞基法中單獨列出長期照顧安排假有機會嗎\n\n22\n00:07:47,967 --> 00:08:09,192\n跟我的說明這個這個假如果跟家庭照顧假我們現在在性別平等工作法我知道但是這個是還會跟市價在一起嘛然後是七天為限可是這顯然是不夠嘛顯然是不夠嘛所以我才說是不是可以單獨把它列出來又或者是要增加我們所謂的家庭照顧假是跟我的說明我們那個\n\n23\n00:08:10,932 --> 00:08:38,510\n勞動部現在內部也在廣泛的聽取收集各方一些我們現在確實有關家庭照顧假這個方面我們在研議在討論是不是要往比較更彈性的方向來規劃是好所以這個部分你們什麼時候研議完成是不是可以也給本席的辦公室一個資訊是沒有問題什麼時候你們因為你剛剛說有在研議嘛那你們現在的打算什麼時候研議完因為這個事情好像從也好幾年了吧講了也講蠻久的\n\n24\n00:08:40,775 --> 00:08:55,382\n包委這個部分因為我們要通盤跟剛剛講的育嬰留庭救保法延長一個月的修法好一起來通盤考量對所以我們還需要一點時間那大概要多久的時間通盤考量可以有一個檢討\n\n25\n00:08:56,727 --> 00:09:12,862\n作為不然延誼太久了我們希望盡快不過因為跟委員說那個救保法因為流體延長一個月那個需要修法需要比較長的時間那那邊修法之後我們這邊加點照顧加往更彈性規劃這要配套的對那所以修法修法的這個進度進程是\n\n26\n00:09:15,624 --> 00:09:35,655\n現在怎麼規劃我們這個禮拜已經跟人事行政總署還有全序部已經約好時間應該就是今天下午要開會因為這個我們是負責勞工不能但人總跟全序部負責公教人員這個要一致一致的來協調所以我們今天會開會來協調這個步驟對好那因為時間我今天質詢到這謝謝好謝謝謝謝謝謝廖老闆謝謝次總\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9055\t9998\t謝謝主席請我們勞動部次長\n21249\t46468\t市長好 今年這個反正勞動部有示範要這個彈性育嬰假嘛對不對的政策讓勞工可以依個人需求請假那申請的次數從兩次增加到三次但據本席了解去年這個2024年上半年度僅有63家的企業或供應事業表示願意參加那相較於全國有163萬家中小企業是微不足道\n47088\t57217\t那今年微幅成長89家這個公司立部門單位那請問次長面對這樣的微幅的增長這個如何評價這個政策的成效\n58183\t78730\t然後以及你們應該要如何鼓勵更多企業參與是跟委員說明齁這個只是試辦所以他是採企業志願參加那事實上申請預留的今天的話我們去年總共有九萬三千多個新手爸媽來申請對那八十九家其實他是試辦到去年年底就結束那你們現在怎麼評價這個成效未來會怎麼怎麼去辦理要如何加強\n82751\t100012\t我們在過去我剛剛何鮑威有講我們在過去兩個多月已經透過三種管道來搜集譬如說事辦單位請他們來座談諮詢第二個我們也發了所有89家事業單位的問卷調查第三我們主動去拜訪民間托育團現在有結論了嗎\n101354\t130814\t我們現在正在想要收集更多的資料那預計什麼時候會收集完成或是檢討完成我們收集資料可能到那個下個月會到一個段然後我們現在目前針對內部已經收集到資料內部再討論我們希望未來那我們洪部長也有一個口頭表達我們希望朝更彈性的方式來辦理好那到時候有具體的這個你們討論完有一些相關具體的\n131694\t160655\t结果再麻烦让本席办公室知道没有问题那另外次长也从统计数据上面来看女性和男性申请这个育婴留职停薪的比例从原本的这个超过四倍大概是6.8万跟1.5万到去年底为止有拉近到三倍本席是予以肯定但是这中间的改变主要是当然有政策的介入在110年7月本来投保薪资六成拉到八成数据虽然有改善但是我刚刚说虽然\n161155\t183917\t拉到近三倍可是這個差距還是蠻大的所以顯示這個性別不平等的問題仍然蠻嚴重想要請教次長如何進一步進一步縮小這兩性申請育嬰流執停薪的差距是跟委員說明我們現在就是因為那個現在我們部內也正在奉行這個指示在研擬就業保險法的修法\n184477\t205903\t那希望能夠把育嬰留子體驗津貼從現在那個新手爸媽各領完六個月之後可以再讓他們各多領一個月那這個我們正在內部在做這個討論所以我也只是接下來就是要問這個因為你們現在是延益延長一個月那你們現在延益增加一個月有預期達成的目標嗎這樣子夠嗎\n207878\t222390\t我們我剛剛有跟委員說我們去年全年大概有九萬三千多名那個申請案件就新歐巴馬那我們希望未來所以你們預計的目標是就是修增加一個月的話你們預計成效如何\n222967\t246816\t我們希望可以增加大概一定的我們認為一定會有一定的成比例的成長對我是認為估計的話要看我們那個出生嬰兒的一個情況對我是認為說要給可能要一次給到有感我覺得延長一個月不夠可能是要增加兩月從六個月增加到八個月那同時現行是由父母這個最常領六個月的今天是不是應該放寬到雙親均領滿至六個月\n249637\t271231\t那我覺得這個訴求是不是也可以去研議因為我覺得如果一次一次一點一點這樣子的效果可能會很有限我們是希望真的讓年輕的父母跟尚未生育的這些父母更願意生養那把這個照顧工作視為一種公共財希望我們這邊是不是可以再進一步的研議一次給到有感而不是這種慢慢的慢慢的\n272552\t289486\t像我也說明根據我們去年的研究我們有做大數據分析從2016年到2023年連續六七年的大數據分析我們有申請育嬰留職提供津貼期滿之後回歸職場工作的比例只有82%\n292048\t312679\t82%裡面其實也只有58%是穩定就業有24%是不穩定就業就它會中斷就業所以我們也會認為如果在我們現在評估延長一個月多離一個月它的回歸職場的這個比例可能會稍微再向低一點如果要再確定這個數字是相關性嗎\n314120\t339249\t我們的長期的我們那個去年長期的分析所以你的意思是說一次增加太多你擔心因為我們因為劉子庭今天的目的就不希望那個新手爸媽離開職場我們目的是要協助他留在職場但我們的長期的大數據分析發現82%也就是說我們擔心可是如果你這樣子那你現在增加這一個月不就是也是一樣會造成同樣的問題嗎\n341110\t359285\t這個就是我們平衡考量的結果因為一方面很多民間團體希望要增加一點給付的那個時間可是我們也擔心如果給付一下太多他回到職場的比例會下降所以我們平衡之後增加一個月開始先這樣來做做看\n360026\t385447\t我覺得這個部分請你們好好的再演繹一下確定這些相關的數字的可行的關聯性因為你現在你說增加一個月就會減少那增加兩個月好像又更加嚴重有嗎那是不是可以因為這個東西是不是可以給這些父母一次到位的有感也可以影響到他對於生育的意願那我想這兩者的關係你們可能要再請你們再去好好演繹一下一定我們都持續在\n386347\t407495\t那個修正那也另外想要再請教這個我們衛福部次長跟我們勞動部次長那當然我們個人是支持這個照顧不離職剛剛有講到那我相信你們也都是這樣支持的對不對所以你們才會想這些事情但是我想還有一個部分就是一年中因為家庭照顧因素而離職的人數你們知道嗎\n411569\t429930\t根據我們去年勞動部的工作場所的這個性別工作的調查大概因為這個沒有辦法去精確調查沒有辦法嘛對不對有考慮就曾經因為要照顧家人而考慮離職的比例去年的數據是大概有六成左右所以是非常的高\n430330\t448309\t那我就是要跟你報告就是考慮並不是實際的因為實際調查因為你沒有實際的你沒有實際數據嘛所以你說這個考慮離職的比例就會很高那當然相對也很高因為我們在民間聽到的是很高的所以民團也一直有在倡議這個長期照顧安排假所以我想這個部分也是我本席也是非常支持\n448849\t466134\t那所以也想要問我們的勞動部次長今年也進入著所謂的超高齡的社會那我想每個家庭也都會面臨到這樣所謂的長照議題也顯示我們長期照顧假的這個迫切性所以想要請教在勞基法中單獨列出長期照顧安排假有機會嗎\n467967\t489192\t跟我的說明這個這個假如果跟家庭照顧假我們現在在性別平等工作法我知道但是這個是還會跟市價在一起嘛然後是七天為限可是這顯然是不夠嘛顯然是不夠嘛所以我才說是不是可以單獨把它列出來又或者是要增加我們所謂的家庭照顧假是跟我的說明我們那個\n490932\t518510\t勞動部現在內部也在廣泛的聽取收集各方一些我們現在確實有關家庭照顧假這個方面我們在研議在討論是不是要往比較更彈性的方向來規劃是好所以這個部分你們什麼時候研議完成是不是可以也給本席的辦公室一個資訊是沒有問題什麼時候你們因為你剛剛說有在研議嘛那你們現在的打算什麼時候研議完因為這個事情好像從也好幾年了吧講了也講蠻久的\n520775\t535382\t包委這個部分因為我們要通盤跟剛剛講的育嬰留庭救保法延長一個月的修法好一起來通盤考量對所以我們還需要一點時間那大概要多久的時間通盤考量可以有一個檢討\n536727\t552862\t作為不然延誼太久了我們希望盡快不過因為跟委員說那個救保法因為流體延長一個月那個需要修法需要比較長的時間那那邊修法之後我們這邊加點照顧加往更彈性規劃這要配套的對那所以修法修法的這個進度進程是\n555624\t575655\t現在怎麼規劃我們這個禮拜已經跟人事行政總署還有全序部已經約好時間應該就是今天下午要開會因為這個我們是負責勞工不能但人總跟全序部負責公教人員這個要一致一致的來協調所以我們今天會開會來協調這個步驟對好那因為時間我今天質詢到這謝謝好謝謝謝謝謝謝廖老闆謝謝次總\n","txt":"謝謝主席請我們勞動部次長\n市長好 今年這個反正勞動部有示範要這個彈性育嬰假嘛對不對的政策讓勞工可以依個人需求請假那申請的次數從兩次增加到三次但據本席了解去年這個2024年上半年度僅有63家的企業或供應事業表示願意參加那相較於全國有163萬家中小企業是微不足道\n那今年微幅成長89家這個公司立部門單位那請問次長面對這樣的微幅的增長這個如何評價這個政策的成效\n然後以及你們應該要如何鼓勵更多企業參與是跟委員說明齁這個只是試辦所以他是採企業志願參加那事實上申請預留的今天的話我們去年總共有九萬三千多個新手爸媽來申請對那八十九家其實他是試辦到去年年底就結束那你們現在怎麼評價這個成效未來會怎麼怎麼去辦理要如何加強\n我們在過去我剛剛何鮑威有講我們在過去兩個多月已經透過三種管道來搜集譬如說事辦單位請他們來座談諮詢第二個我們也發了所有89家事業單位的問卷調查第三我們主動去拜訪民間托育團現在有結論了嗎\n我們現在正在想要收集更多的資料那預計什麼時候會收集完成或是檢討完成我們收集資料可能到那個下個月會到一個段然後我們現在目前針對內部已經收集到資料內部再討論我們希望未來那我們洪部長也有一個口頭表達我們希望朝更彈性的方式來辦理好那到時候有具體的這個你們討論完有一些相關具體的\n结果再麻烦让本席办公室知道没有问题那另外次长也从统计数据上面来看女性和男性申请这个育婴留职停薪的比例从原本的这个超过四倍大概是6.8万跟1.5万到去年底为止有拉近到三倍本席是予以肯定但是这中间的改变主要是当然有政策的介入在110年7月本来投保薪资六成拉到八成数据虽然有改善但是我刚刚说虽然\n拉到近三倍可是這個差距還是蠻大的所以顯示這個性別不平等的問題仍然蠻嚴重想要請教次長如何進一步進一步縮小這兩性申請育嬰流執停薪的差距是跟委員說明我們現在就是因為那個現在我們部內也正在奉行這個指示在研擬就業保險法的修法\n那希望能夠把育嬰留子體驗津貼從現在那個新手爸媽各領完六個月之後可以再讓他們各多領一個月那這個我們正在內部在做這個討論所以我也只是接下來就是要問這個因為你們現在是延益延長一個月那你們現在延益增加一個月有預期達成的目標嗎這樣子夠嗎\n我們我剛剛有跟委員說我們去年全年大概有九萬三千多名那個申請案件就新歐巴馬那我們希望未來所以你們預計的目標是就是修增加一個月的話你們預計成效如何\n我們希望可以增加大概一定的我們認為一定會有一定的成比例的成長對我是認為估計的話要看我們那個出生嬰兒的一個情況對我是認為說要給可能要一次給到有感我覺得延長一個月不夠可能是要增加兩月從六個月增加到八個月那同時現行是由父母這個最常領六個月的今天是不是應該放寬到雙親均領滿至六個月\n那我覺得這個訴求是不是也可以去研議因為我覺得如果一次一次一點一點這樣子的效果可能會很有限我們是希望真的讓年輕的父母跟尚未生育的這些父母更願意生養那把這個照顧工作視為一種公共財希望我們這邊是不是可以再進一步的研議一次給到有感而不是這種慢慢的慢慢的\n像我也說明根據我們去年的研究我們有做大數據分析從2016年到2023年連續六七年的大數據分析我們有申請育嬰留職提供津貼期滿之後回歸職場工作的比例只有82%\n82%裡面其實也只有58%是穩定就業有24%是不穩定就業就它會中斷就業所以我們也會認為如果在我們現在評估延長一個月多離一個月它的回歸職場的這個比例可能會稍微再向低一點如果要再確定這個數字是相關性嗎\n我們的長期的我們那個去年長期的分析所以你的意思是說一次增加太多你擔心因為我們因為劉子庭今天的目的就不希望那個新手爸媽離開職場我們目的是要協助他留在職場但我們的長期的大數據分析發現82%也就是說我們擔心可是如果你這樣子那你現在增加這一個月不就是也是一樣會造成同樣的問題嗎\n這個就是我們平衡考量的結果因為一方面很多民間團體希望要增加一點給付的那個時間可是我們也擔心如果給付一下太多他回到職場的比例會下降所以我們平衡之後增加一個月開始先這樣來做做看\n我覺得這個部分請你們好好的再演繹一下確定這些相關的數字的可行的關聯性因為你現在你說增加一個月就會減少那增加兩個月好像又更加嚴重有嗎那是不是可以因為這個東西是不是可以給這些父母一次到位的有感也可以影響到他對於生育的意願那我想這兩者的關係你們可能要再請你們再去好好演繹一下一定我們都持續在\n那個修正那也另外想要再請教這個我們衛福部次長跟我們勞動部次長那當然我們個人是支持這個照顧不離職剛剛有講到那我相信你們也都是這樣支持的對不對所以你們才會想這些事情但是我想還有一個部分就是一年中因為家庭照顧因素而離職的人數你們知道嗎\n根據我們去年勞動部的工作場所的這個性別工作的調查大概因為這個沒有辦法去精確調查沒有辦法嘛對不對有考慮就曾經因為要照顧家人而考慮離職的比例去年的數據是大概有六成左右所以是非常的高\n那我就是要跟你報告就是考慮並不是實際的因為實際調查因為你沒有實際的你沒有實際數據嘛所以你說這個考慮離職的比例就會很高那當然相對也很高因為我們在民間聽到的是很高的所以民團也一直有在倡議這個長期照顧安排假所以我想這個部分也是我本席也是非常支持\n那所以也想要問我們的勞動部次長今年也進入著所謂的超高齡的社會那我想每個家庭也都會面臨到這樣所謂的長照議題也顯示我們長期照顧假的這個迫切性所以想要請教在勞基法中單獨列出長期照顧安排假有機會嗎\n跟我的說明這個這個假如果跟家庭照顧假我們現在在性別平等工作法我知道但是這個是還會跟市價在一起嘛然後是七天為限可是這顯然是不夠嘛顯然是不夠嘛所以我才說是不是可以單獨把它列出來又或者是要增加我們所謂的家庭照顧假是跟我的說明我們那個\n勞動部現在內部也在廣泛的聽取收集各方一些我們現在確實有關家庭照顧假這個方面我們在研議在討論是不是要往比較更彈性的方向來規劃是好所以這個部分你們什麼時候研議完成是不是可以也給本席的辦公室一個資訊是沒有問題什麼時候你們因為你剛剛說有在研議嘛那你們現在的打算什麼時候研議完因為這個事情好像從也好幾年了吧講了也講蠻久的\n包委這個部分因為我們要通盤跟剛剛講的育嬰留庭救保法延長一個月的修法好一起來通盤考量對所以我們還需要一點時間那大概要多久的時間通盤考量可以有一個檢討\n作為不然延誼太久了我們希望盡快不過因為跟委員說那個救保法因為流體延長一個月那個需要修法需要比較長的時間那那邊修法之後我們這邊加點照顧加往更彈性規劃這要配套的對那所以修法修法的這個進度進程是\n現在怎麼規劃我們這個禮拜已經跟人事行政總署還有全序部已經約好時間應該就是今天下午要開會因為這個我們是負責勞工不能但人總跟全序部負責公教人員這個要一致一致的來協調所以我們今天會開會來協調這個步驟對好那因為時間我今天質詢到這謝謝好謝謝謝謝謝謝廖老闆謝謝次總\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.055 --> 00:09.998\n謝謝主席請我們勞動部次長\n\n00:21.249 --> 00:46.468\n市長好今年這個反正勞動部有示範要這個彈性育嬰假嘛對不對的政策讓勞工可以依個人需求請假那申請的次數從兩次增加到三次但據本席了解去年這個2024年上半年度僅有63家的企業或供應事業表示願意參加那相較於全國有163萬家中小企業是微不足道\n\n00:47.088 --> 00:57.217\n那今年微幅成長89家這個公司立部門單位那請問次長面對這樣的微幅的增長這個如何評價這個政策的成效\n\n00:58.183 --> 01:18.730\n然後以及你們應該要如何鼓勵更多企業參與是跟委員說明齁這個只是試辦所以他是採企業志願參加那事實上申請預留的今天的話我們去年總共有九萬三千多個新手爸媽來申請對那八十九家其實他是試辦到去年年底就結束那你們現在怎麼評價這個成效未來會怎麼怎麼去辦理要如何加強\n\n01:22.751 --> 01:40.012\n我們在過去我剛剛何鮑威有講我們在過去兩個多月已經透過三種管道來搜集譬如說事辦單位請他們來座談諮詢第二個我們也發了所有89家事業單位的問卷調查第三我們主動去拜訪民間托育團現在有結論了嗎\n\n01:41.354 --> 02:10.814\n我們現在正在想要收集更多的資料那預計什麼時候會收集完成或是檢討完成我們收集資料可能到那個下個月會到一個段然後我們現在目前針對內部已經收集到資料內部再討論我們希望未來那我們洪部長也有一個口頭表達我們希望朝更彈性的方式來辦理好那到時候有具體的這個你們討論完有一些相關具體的\n\n02:11.694 --> 02:40.655\n结果再麻烦让本席办公室知道没有问题那另外次长也从统计数据上面来看女性和男性申请这个育婴留职停薪的比例从原本的这个超过四倍大概是6.8万跟1.5万到去年底为止有拉近到三倍本席是予以肯定但是这中间的改变主要是当然有政策的介入在110年7月本来投保薪资六成拉到八成数据虽然有改善但是我刚刚说虽然\n\n02:41.155 --> 03:03.917\n拉到近三倍可是這個差距還是蠻大的所以顯示這個性別不平等的問題仍然蠻嚴重想要請教次長如何進一步進一步縮小這兩性申請育嬰流執停薪的差距是跟委員說明我們現在就是因為那個現在我們部內也正在奉行這個指示在研擬就業保險法的修法\n\n03:04.477 --> 03:25.903\n那希望能夠把育嬰留子體驗津貼從現在那個新手爸媽各領完六個月之後可以再讓他們各多領一個月那這個我們正在內部在做這個討論所以我也只是接下來就是要問這個因為你們現在是延益延長一個月那你們現在延益增加一個月有預期達成的目標嗎這樣子夠嗎\n\n03:27.878 --> 03:42.390\n我們我剛剛有跟委員說我們去年全年大概有九萬三千多名那個申請案件就新歐巴馬那我們希望未來所以你們預計的目標是就是修增加一個月的話你們預計成效如何\n\n03:42.967 --> 04:06.816\n我們希望可以增加大概一定的我們認為一定會有一定的成比例的成長對我是認為估計的話要看我們那個出生嬰兒的一個情況對我是認為說要給可能要一次給到有感我覺得延長一個月不夠可能是要增加兩月從六個月增加到八個月那同時現行是由父母這個最常領六個月的今天是不是應該放寬到雙親均領滿至六個月\n\n04:09.637 --> 04:31.231\n那我覺得這個訴求是不是也可以去研議因為我覺得如果一次一次一點一點這樣子的效果可能會很有限我們是希望真的讓年輕的父母跟尚未生育的這些父母更願意生養那把這個照顧工作視為一種公共財希望我們這邊是不是可以再進一步的研議一次給到有感而不是這種慢慢的慢慢的\n\n04:32.552 --> 04:49.486\n像我也說明根據我們去年的研究我們有做大數據分析從2016年到2023年連續六七年的大數據分析我們有申請育嬰留職提供津貼期滿之後回歸職場工作的比例只有82%\n\n04:52.048 --> 05:12.679\n82%裡面其實也只有58%是穩定就業有24%是不穩定就業就它會中斷就業所以我們也會認為如果在我們現在評估延長一個月多離一個月它的回歸職場的這個比例可能會稍微再向低一點如果要再確定這個數字是相關性嗎\n\n05:14.120 --> 05:39.249\n我們的長期的我們那個去年長期的分析所以你的意思是說一次增加太多你擔心因為我們因為劉子庭今天的目的就不希望那個新手爸媽離開職場我們目的是要協助他留在職場但我們的長期的大數據分析發現82%也就是說我們擔心可是如果你這樣子那你現在增加這一個月不就是也是一樣會造成同樣的問題嗎\n\n05:41.110 --> 05:59.285\n這個就是我們平衡考量的結果因為一方面很多民間團體希望要增加一點給付的那個時間可是我們也擔心如果給付一下太多他回到職場的比例會下降所以我們平衡之後增加一個月開始先這樣來做做看\n\n06:00.026 --> 06:25.447\n我覺得這個部分請你們好好的再演繹一下確定這些相關的數字的可行的關聯性因為你現在你說增加一個月就會減少那增加兩個月好像又更加嚴重有嗎那是不是可以因為這個東西是不是可以給這些父母一次到位的有感也可以影響到他對於生育的意願那我想這兩者的關係你們可能要再請你們再去好好演繹一下一定我們都持續在\n\n06:26.347 --> 06:47.495\n那個修正那也另外想要再請教這個我們衛福部次長跟我們勞動部次長那當然我們個人是支持這個照顧不離職剛剛有講到那我相信你們也都是這樣支持的對不對所以你們才會想這些事情但是我想還有一個部分就是一年中因為家庭照顧因素而離職的人數你們知道嗎\n\n06:51.569 --> 07:09.930\n根據我們去年勞動部的工作場所的這個性別工作的調查大概因為這個沒有辦法去精確調查沒有辦法嘛對不對有考慮就曾經因為要照顧家人而考慮離職的比例去年的數據是大概有六成左右所以是非常的高\n\n07:10.330 --> 07:28.309\n那我就是要跟你報告就是考慮並不是實際的因為實際調查因為你沒有實際的你沒有實際數據嘛所以你說這個考慮離職的比例就會很高那當然相對也很高因為我們在民間聽到的是很高的所以民團也一直有在倡議這個長期照顧安排假所以我想這個部分也是我本席也是非常支持\n\n07:28.849 --> 07:46.134\n那所以也想要問我們的勞動部次長今年也進入著所謂的超高齡的社會那我想每個家庭也都會面臨到這樣所謂的長照議題也顯示我們長期照顧假的這個迫切性所以想要請教在勞基法中單獨列出長期照顧安排假有機會嗎\n\n07:47.967 --> 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？我覺得這個訴求是不是也應該列入研議，否則，現在這樣一次一次、一點一點的效果可能會很有限。我們真的希望讓年輕的父母與尚未生育的夫妻更願意生養，把照顧工作視為一種公共財，希望你們是否可以再進一步研議，一次給到有感，而不是這樣慢慢的、慢慢的。"],["李次長健鴻：根據我們去年所做的研究，從2016年到2023年連續六、七年的大數據分析，申請育嬰留職停薪津貼期滿之後回歸職場工作的比例只有82%，在82%之中只有58%是穩定就業，還有24%其實是不穩定就業，也就是會中斷就業。因此根據我們的評估，延長1個月、多領1個月的津貼，他們回歸職場的比例可能會稍微再降低一點。如果要再……"],["廖委員偉翔：確定這個數字有相關性嗎？"],["李次長健鴻：我們去年針對長期數據所做的分析。"],["廖委員偉翔：你的意思是一次增加太多會擔心……"],["李次長健鴻：對，擔心！因為育嬰留職停薪津貼的目的是不希望新手爸媽離開職場。"],["廖委員偉翔：我知道，還是希望他們留在職場。"],["李次長健鴻：我們的目的是要協助他們留在職場，但我們長期的大數據分析發現僅有82%，所以我們擔心如果……"],["廖委員偉翔：如果是這樣的考量，現在你要增加1個月不也是會造成同樣的問題嗎？"],["李次長健鴻：這個就是我們平衡考量的結果，一方面有許多民間團體希望能增加一點給付的時間，但我們也擔心一下給付太多會造成他們回到職場的比例下降，所以在我們的平衡考量後，決定從增加1個月開始，先這樣子做做看。"],["廖委員偉翔：我認為這個部分還是要請你們再好好研議一下。"],["李次長健鴻：是，一定會。"],["廖委員偉翔：確定這些數字的關聯性。"],["李次長健鴻：是。"],["廖委員偉翔：因為你說增加1個月就會降低回歸職場的比例，增加2個月好像又會更加嚴重，有嗎？這個津貼是不是可以一次到位讓這些父母有感，也會影響到他們的生育意願，針對這兩者的關係，請你們再好好研議一下。"],["李次長健鴻：一定，我們也都持續的滾動修正。"],["廖委員偉翔：再來要請教衛福部次長及勞動部次長，當然我們個人是支持照顧不離職，剛剛也有講到，相信你們也都是這樣支持，所以你們才會想出這些方法，對不對？但是一年中因為家庭照顧因素而離職的人數，你們知道嗎？"],["李次長健鴻：根據勞動部去年的工作場所就業平等概況調查，因為這個沒有辦法精確調查……"],["廖委員偉翔：沒有辦法，對不對？"],["李次長健鴻：曾經因為照顧家人而考慮離職的比例，去年的數據大概有六成左右。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以是非常的高，我就是要向你報告……"],["李次長健鴻：這是指考慮而非實際的，因為實際調查……"],["廖委員偉翔：因為沒有實際數據，所以你說的考慮離職比例就會很高，當然相對也會很高，其實我們在民間聽到的也是很高，因此民團一直在倡議長期照顧安排假，本席也是非常支持。今年已經進入超高齡社會，每個家庭也都會面臨長照議題，顯示長期照顧假的迫切性，請問次長，有機會在勞基法中單獨列出長期照顧安排假嗎？"],["李次長健鴻：我們在性別平等工作法已經有家庭照顧假。"],["廖委員偉翔：我知道，但這個是與事假在一起，而且是以7天為限。"],["李次長健鴻：是。"],["廖委員偉翔：顯然是不夠、顯然是不夠，因此我才會提出是否可以將它單獨列出來，或是增加所謂的家庭照顧假？"],["李次長健鴻：勞動部內部正在廣泛聽取、蒐集各方意見，關於家庭照顧假的部分，我們正在研議、討論是否要往更具彈性的方向規劃。"],["廖委員偉翔：這個部分你們什麼時候研議完成？是不是也可以給本席辦公室一個資訊？"],["李次長健鴻：是，沒有問題。"],["廖委員偉翔：什麼時候？因為你剛剛說已經在研議，打算什麼時候研議完成？這件事情好像也好幾年了，已經講滿久了。"],["李次長健鴻：因為這個部分要與育嬰留職停薪津貼延長1個月的就保法修法一起通盤考量，所以我們還需要一點時間。"],["廖委員偉翔：大概要多久的時間可以有通盤考量後的檢討作為，不然就研議太久了？"],["李次長健鴻：我們希望能夠儘快，但是就保法的育嬰留職停薪津貼修法需要比較長的時間，在那邊修完法之後，我們這邊的家庭照顧假往更彈性的方向規劃也需要配套，總之希望能夠儘快。"],["廖委員偉翔：修法的進度、進程，現在是如何規劃？"],["李次長健鴻：報告委員，我們這個禮拜已經與人事行政總處及銓敘部約好時間，應該就是今天下午要開會。我們負責的是勞工的部分，人總與銓敘部則是負責公教人員的部分，這個要一致來協調，所以我們今天要開會協調這個步驟。"],["廖委員偉翔：好。因為時間的關係，今天我就質詢到這裡，謝謝。"],["李次長健鴻：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝廖委員，謝謝次長。","接續請涂權吉委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-4","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","王育敏","盧縣一","黃秀芳","劉建國","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","涂權吉","林淑芬","王正旭","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","張雅琳","楊曜","李坤城","麥玉珍","陳瑩","鄭正鈐","黃捷","林德福","陳培瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-03-27"],"gazette_id":"1143301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造\n友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143301_00001"}}}