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00:02:36,914\n刪減因為我們知道這個文化預算在使用的或者是他在造福的是文化工作者而文化工作者的成品他們的創作品\n\n9\n00:02:39,136 --> 00:03:05,708\n所造福的是我們全體國人甚至是世界的人類這是人類共同的藝術成就大家共享的文化資源所以我們都向來是非常尊重也希望政府可以努力的來扶持那在這次的刪除預算當中我看到幾個我覺得比較不合理的地方第一個有一些項目它是遭到全數刪除也就是把你整個業務停擺\n\n10\n00:03:07,469 --> 00:03:25,349\n不是只是給你一點建議清理檢討是把你全數刪除例如我們聯合典藏中心刪除的金額年度高達是一億元那這個典藏中心原先要做庫房跟修復空間提供包括史博館台史博文學館國影中心跟美術基金會來使用\n\n11\n00:03:27,211 --> 00:03:46,984\n那國營中心我非常重視因為去年度我們還去考察過當時國營中心就有提出來我們知道說有非常多我們的這一些過去的電影膠片海報新聞片數位修復片等等重要的影音資料庫我們都還有很多的藏品等待修復那當然是需要空間那現在\n\n12\n00:03:49,105 --> 00:04:13,501\n前兩天我們也看到陳承波的後代他說捐出了兩千多件的作品我們非常感謝那他是很信任他說多年來他們現在終於是等於要交手給政府了由政府來協助他們做後續的工作那典藏都是在修復裡面非常重要的一個條件那我們現在聯合典藏中心今年度的預算全數刪除會對我們造成什麼影響\n\n13\n00:04:17,284 --> 00:04:43,407\n其實講到這裡我覺得台灣的文化快速的發展的情況下我們本身政府的腳步有點跟不上譬如說他一捐就捐兩千件東西我們典藏根本來不及跟所以其實我心裡很焦急是我們做的每一個編列的預算都是在追趕前面不夠的狀態那民間這麼熱心的捐這麼多東西我們作為一個政府機構\n\n14\n00:04:44,668 --> 00:05:10,419\n你輕易的把它刪掉你一點都不知道這個錢是要幹什麼的這才是真的重點就是這個錢一點都不多我們已經有點來不及了所以當在野黨刪的時候我最痛心的是你知不知道這個錢要幹什麼我們台灣的文化過去都已經忽略很久了過去被忽略這麼久現在民間這麼多人想幫忙政府把他家裡的最珍貴的話\n\n15\n00:05:11,559 --> 00:05:32,468\n捐出來兩千多件他每一件都可以賣很多錢的你完全忽略了民間這些藝術家藝術家的後代對台灣文化多麼珍惜那我們政府騙個一億只為了一個典藏中心的開始你全部刪掉你再刪那一刻我不小心你想什麼\n\n16\n00:05:33,652 --> 00:05:59,034\n就是有一群人這麼努力的想要建立這個文化台灣的主體文化有一些人看都不看一眼其實我最難過的不是錢的問題是態度的問題這部分也希望文化部可以再多加強跟各政黨委員的溝通因為陳如剛部長所說其實去年度的預算在我們文化委員會審查的時候原先只刪了兩千萬\n\n17\n00:05:59,915 --> 00:06:21,751\n那到了第二輪由政黨之名提出的時候起初是要刪除八十億那是因為文化人站出來國人表達抗議所以最後他們才撤案最後還好災情控制到只刪了十一億但是我要講的是所以教育委員會當時國民黨的委員在野黨的委員也不是支持要刪八十億當時我們公司是刪兩千萬經過文化部的說明但是到二輪到政黨提案之後突然金額變那麼大\n\n18\n00:06:28,547 --> 00:06:47,840\n那我很遺憾當時教文委員會在野黨委員沒有站出來捍衛他們在委員會所做下的決定所以不得不說他們也是目前我們看到災情的共犯但是我們可以再努力的去溝通因為我想只要是在這個委員會裡面大家基於專業來審查都是支持文化預算的例如\n\n19\n00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,763\n還包含了我們這一次的這個表演藝術最後也被刪了兩千萬數字金額可能有人說乍看不大但我認為影響很大因為它這是延續性計畫這不是新增的本來每一年我們就是在補助我們台灣這些優秀的團體例如我們品牌團隊這個等於是台灣的旗艦藝文團體我們希望他們在國際上可以發光發亮原先我們是希望今年要可以補助更多團隊所以把預算提高沒有想到又被刪減所以恐怕\n\n20\n00:07:17,017 --> 00:07:20,598\n過去補助了雲門補助明華園補助朱忠敬打擊樂團幽仁神谷等等現在恐怕沒有辦法如我們原先希望的去扶植更多的藝文團體那另外我看到視覺藝術的黑潮也被刪了兩千萬這個原先是補助我們台灣的藝術家例如賴淳淳藝術文教基金會本來今年去大阪市博這個要策展\n\n21\n00:07:40,206 --> 00:08:00,220\n然後例如我們也補助台灣跟澳洲的女性藝術交流計畫甚至有好地下藝術團就是花蓮在地的當代攝影家預計要去歐洲做交流這些都是我們非常支持的原先我們都希望可以補助更多的團體但是因為預算遭到了刪減同樣沒有辦法再增加那另外\n\n22\n00:08:01,121 --> 00:08:27,536\n除了三檢以外才化法我認為我也是相當的遊行我們剛講到的要補助藝文團體原先我們有一個計劃是要補助地方的這個優良的傑出藝文團體那跟地方政府來分別分攤補助金額那目前這樣看來我們這個會不會受到影響在未來才化法我們文化部預算可能會減少百分之三十的情況之下\n\n23\n00:08:28,476 --> 00:08:49,758\n就是預算一直往下排擠地方團隊是第一個受害者地方團隊的錢每個團隊的補助都很少我們經過這樣排擠之後我們現在根本不能考慮地方團隊了那財務法法一下去我們不但不能補助地方團隊我們所有的文資所有的文化平權原來我們可以\n\n24\n00:08:50,399 --> 00:09:06,644\n按照資源的多少去支援不同的縣市我在這裡一再強調我們完全不會考慮政治政黨對於文化的分配我們正要去金門正要去表演我們不會去因為它的政治而\n\n25\n00:09:07,344 --> 00:09:22,713\n而刪減任何的補助所以這才是我最動心的就是你現在一刪之後我現在覺得我文化部本來可以稍微完成文化平權或者文化資產的經過一個災難我們立刻去補助它這些錢都是非常急迫的\n\n26\n00:09:23,453 --> 00:09:43,966\n好部長最後我要講剛剛講到財化法可能對文資的保存會造成衝擊這一點我真的相當憂心因為目前我們文化部我們跟行政院爭取嘛六年一共160億的預算來補助地方的文資保存一年大概二十幾億那經過財化法劃分這樣把錢撥下去之後財化法最大問題是沒有討論市權\n\n27\n00:09:46,227 --> 00:10:09,370\n所以你這個錢撥給地方政府第一個他會不會撥到文化局我們都不確定那文化局會不會再去撥到要指定是就做文化資產的修復可能都不一定像文化部你們這個錢如果被強迫30%就是你文資修復的部分如果未來必須要撥給地方政府你們可不可以要求地方政府這個預算給你你就是必須要補助文資修復你們可不可以這樣要求\n\n28\n00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:30,255\n當然不行啊我們沒有權利啊我們沒有辦法這樣要求試選這就是我最擔心的因為我在我的選區台北市中正萬華區我非常多的文資像我們萬華西門的將軍廟也是文化部來幫我們補助文資修復如果未來才化法錢撥給地方政府本來應該要去補助文資修復的因為沒有討論試權只討論錢\n\n29\n00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:39,376\n那未來我們地方的這些文資修復如果預算不足地方政府又沒有編列的時候我們該何去何從呢\n\n30\n00:10:40,814 --> 00:10:47,919\n所以部長剛雖然您說你們沒有這樣的權利但我還是要拜託你們因為你們畢竟是全國文化最高的主管機關要拜託你們跟地方政府來好好討論一旦錢撥下去了文資修復文化部原先每年20億的預算要拜託地方政府千萬還是要去執行到來保存我們台灣的文化資產因為是我們全體國人所珍貴共同的文物好不好\n\n31\n00:11:11,715 --> 00:11:26,997\n好因為我們最近要推出一個全台灣一個100大文化基地的目的就是想強化中央跟地方上共同去推一些文化基地的是這個目的我還希望去找到別的部會\n\n32\n00:11:28,278 --> 00:11:50,512\n幫我們一起來支援預住在地方其實我們不要分中央跟地方中央本身的所有錢都用在地方上這點是不用分的那我覺得大家一直沒有搞懂好像文化部的錢是用在中央中央是不存在的他的錢都是用在每一個縣市每一個點每一個宮廟每一個古蹟這樣子\n\n33\n00:11:54,875 --> 00:11:55,638\n好謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5871\t9848\t好 謝謝主席 我請文化部李遠部長好 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凍結34億\n72566\t100962\t部長在爭取預算的過程當中曾經一度哽咽當時你對媒體說你彷彿看到台灣文化人的努力像是一顆珍貴的蛋在你的眼前被捏碎了那其實部長你也不是第一次擔任政府機關的文化首長過去你擔任過在柯文哲台北市長任內你擔任過文記會的董事兩次那過去你在台北市議會你的預算有沒有遇過這麼大幅度的刪除\n105714\t127161\t你剛剛講到我過去在公務機關我沒有做過這是我第一次在公務機關工作文進會的董事就是以過去你在市議會的經驗你們在報告預算的時候有沒有被刪除過這麼大幅度的預算我沒有過任何預算經驗我過去的所有工作都是在電視台那我在文進會是辦一個學校也沒有預算\n128281\t143555\t這第一次我第一次學習你第一次遇到對那過去我在台北市議會我們也審過文化局包括文基會的預算即便當時我的角色我是在野黨的民意代表那我們也不曾對執政黨的文化預算進行過這麼大幅度的刪除\n148180\t156914\t刪減因為我們知道這個文化預算在使用的或者是他在造福的是文化工作者而文化工作者的成品他們的創作品\n159136\t185708\t所造福的是我們全體國人甚至是世界的人類這是人類共同的藝術成就大家共享的文化資源所以我們都向來是非常尊重也希望政府可以努力的來扶持那在這次的刪除預算當中我看到幾個我覺得比較不合理的地方第一個有一些項目它是遭到全數刪除也就是把你整個業務停擺\n187469\t205349\t不是只是給你一點建議清理檢討是把你全數刪除例如我們聯合典藏中心刪除的金額年度高達是一億元那這個典藏中心原先要做庫房跟修復空間提供包括史博館台史博文學館國影中心跟美術基金會來使用\n207211\t226984\t那國營中心我非常重視因為去年度我們還去考察過當時國營中心就有提出來我們知道說有非常多我們的這一些過去的電影膠片海報新聞片數位修復片等等重要的影音資料庫我們都還有很多的藏品等待修復那當然是需要空間那現在\n229105\t253501\t前兩天我們也看到陳承波的後代他說捐出了兩千多件的作品我們非常感謝那他是很信任他說多年來他們現在終於是等於要交手給政府了由政府來協助他們做後續的工作那典藏都是在修復裡面非常重要的一個條件那我們現在聯合典藏中心今年度的預算全數刪除會對我們造成什麼影響\n257284\t283407\t其實講到這裡我覺得台灣的文化快速的發展的情況下我們本身政府的腳步有點跟不上譬如說他一捐就捐兩千件東西我們典藏根本來不及跟所以其實我心裡很焦急是我們做的每一個編列的預算都是在追趕前面不夠的狀態那民間這麼熱心的捐這麼多東西我們作為一個政府機構\n284668\t310419\t你輕易的把它刪掉你一點都不知道這個錢是要幹什麼的這才是真的重點就是這個錢一點都不多我們已經有點來不及了所以當在野黨刪的時候我最痛心的是你知不知道這個錢要幹什麼我們台灣的文化過去都已經忽略很久了過去被忽略這麼久現在民間這麼多人想幫忙政府把他家裡的最珍貴的話\n311559\t332468\t捐出來兩千多件他每一件都可以賣很多錢的你完全忽略了民間這些藝術家藝術家的後代對台灣文化多麼珍惜那我們政府騙個一億只為了一個典藏中心的開始你全部刪掉你再刪那一刻我不小心你想什麼\n333652\t359034\t就是有一群人這麼努力的想要建立這個文化台灣的主體文化有一些人看都不看一眼其實我最難過的不是錢的問題是態度的問題這部分也希望文化部可以再多加強跟各政黨委員的溝通因為陳如剛部長所說其實去年度的預算在我們文化委員會審查的時候原先只刪了兩千萬\n359915\t381751\t那到了第二輪由政黨之名提出的時候起初是要刪除八十億那是因為文化人站出來國人表達抗議所以最後他們才撤案最後還好災情控制到只刪了十一億但是我要講的是所以教育委員會當時國民黨的委員在野黨的委員也不是支持要刪八十億當時我們公司是刪兩千萬經過文化部的說明但是到二輪到政黨提案之後突然金額變那麼大\n388547\t407840\t那我很遺憾當時教文委員會在野黨委員沒有站出來捍衛他們在委員會所做下的決定所以不得不說他們也是目前我們看到災情的共犯但是我們可以再努力的去溝通因為我想只要是在這個委員會裡面大家基於專業來審查都是支持文化預算的例如\n408200\t412763\t還包含了我們這一次的這個表演藝術最後也被刪了兩千萬數字金額可能有人說乍看不大但我認為影響很大因為它這是延續性計畫這不是新增的本來每一年我們就是在補助我們台灣這些優秀的團體例如我們品牌團隊這個等於是台灣的旗艦藝文團體我們希望他們在國際上可以發光發亮原先我們是希望今年要可以補助更多團隊所以把預算提高沒有想到又被刪減所以恐怕\n437017\t440598\t過去補助了雲門 補助明華園 補助朱忠敬打擊樂團 幽仁神谷等等現在恐怕沒有辦法如我們原先希望的去扶植更多的藝文團體那另外我看到視覺藝術的黑潮也被刪了兩千萬這個原先是補助我們台灣的藝術家例如賴淳淳藝術文教基金會本來今年去大阪市博這個要策展\n460206\t480220\t然後例如我們也補助台灣跟澳洲的女性藝術交流計畫甚至有好地下藝術團就是花蓮在地的當代攝影家預計要去歐洲做交流這些都是我們非常支持的原先我們都希望可以補助更多的團體但是因為預算遭到了刪減同樣沒有辦法再增加那另外\n481121\t507536\t除了三檢以外才化法我認為我也是相當的遊行我們剛講到的要補助藝文團體原先我們有一個計劃是要補助地方的這個優良的傑出藝文團體那跟地方政府來分別分攤補助金額那目前這樣看來我們這個會不會受到影響在未來才化法我們文化部預算可能會減少百分之三十的情況之下\n508476\t529758\t就是預算一直往下排擠 地方團隊是第一個受害者地方團隊的錢 每個團隊的補助都很少我們經過這樣排擠之後 我們現在根本不能考慮地方團隊了那財務法法一下去 我們不但不能補助地方團隊我們所有的文資 所有的文化平權 原來我們可以\n530399\t546644\t按照資源的多少去支援不同的縣市我在這裡一再強調我們完全不會考慮政治 政黨對於文化的分配我們正要去金門正要去表演我們不會去因為它的政治而\n547344\t562713\t而刪減任何的補助所以這才是我最動心的就是你現在一刪之後我現在覺得我文化部本來可以稍微完成文化平權或者文化資產的經過一個災難我們立刻去補助它這些錢都是非常急迫的\n563453\t583966\t好 部長最後我要講剛剛講到財化法可能對文資的保存會造成衝擊這一點我真的相當憂心因為目前我們文化部我們跟行政院爭取嘛六年一共160億的預算來補助地方的文資保存一年大概二十幾億那經過財化法劃分這樣把錢撥下去之後財化法最大問題是沒有討論市權\n586227\t609370\t所以你這個錢撥給地方政府第一個他會不會撥到文化局我們都不確定那文化局會不會再去撥到要指定是就做文化資產的修復可能都不一定像文化部你們這個錢如果被強迫30%就是你文資修復的部分如果未來必須要撥給地方政府你們可不可以要求地方政府這個預算給你你就是必須要補助文資修復你們可不可以這樣要求\n610150\t630255\t當然不行啊我們沒有權利啊我們沒有辦法這樣要求試選這就是我最擔心的因為我在我的選區台北市中正萬華區我非常多的文資像我們萬華西門的將軍廟也是文化部來幫我們補助文資修復如果未來才化法錢撥給地方政府本來應該要去補助文資修復的因為沒有討論試權只討論錢\n632970\t639376\t那未來我們地方的這些文資修復如果預算不足地方政府又沒有編列的時候我們該何去何從呢\n640814\t647919\t所以部長剛雖然您說你們沒有這樣的權利但我還是要拜託你們因為你們畢竟是全國文化最高的主管機關要拜託你們跟地方政府來好好討論一旦錢撥下去了文資修復文化部原先每年20億的預算要拜託地方政府千萬還是要去執行到來保存我們台灣的文化資產因為是我們全體國人所珍貴共同的文物好不好\n671715\t686997\t好 因為我們最近要推出一個全台灣一個100大文化基地的目的就是想強化中央跟地方上共同去推一些文化基地的是這個目的我還希望去找到別的部會\n688278\t710512\t幫我們一起來支援 預住在地方其實我們不要分中央跟地方中央本身的所有錢都用在地方上這點是不用分的那我覺得大家一直沒有搞懂好像文化部的錢是用在中央中央是不存在的他的錢都是用在每一個縣市 每一個點每一個宮廟 每一個古蹟這樣子\n714875\t715638\t好 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我請文化部李遠部長好 有請李部長\n好部長好部長上一次在這裡質詢的時候我們很高興的在討論文化部終於今年度編出了史上最高的文化預算那因為這是賴清德總統的政見也是我競選立委的政見所以當時我們是非常的肯定但是我想今天經過\n去年底在野黨對於我們國家總體預算的刪除刪減我們今天在這裡與其說是聽文化部的業務報告更不如說是在聽我們文化部經過在野黨刪除預算之後的宅損報告評估那我們\n原本今年度加上前瞻首次突破了文化預算300億這感謝文化部所有同仁的努力但是經過了刪減之後目前文化部預算刪減11億 凍結34億\n部長在爭取預算的過程當中曾經一度哽咽當時你對媒體說你彷彿看到台灣文化人的努力像是一顆珍貴的蛋在你的眼前被捏碎了那其實部長你也不是第一次擔任政府機關的文化首長過去你擔任過在柯文哲台北市長任內你擔任過文記會的董事兩次那過去你在台北市議會你的預算有沒有遇過這麼大幅度的刪除\n你剛剛講到我過去在公務機關我沒有做過這是我第一次在公務機關工作文進會的董事就是以過去你在市議會的經驗你們在報告預算的時候有沒有被刪除過這麼大幅度的預算我沒有過任何預算經驗我過去的所有工作都是在電視台那我在文進會是辦一個學校也沒有預算\n這第一次我第一次學習你第一次遇到對那過去我在台北市議會我們也審過文化局包括文基會的預算即便當時我的角色我是在野黨的民意代表那我們也不曾對執政黨的文化預算進行過這麼大幅度的刪除\n刪減因為我們知道這個文化預算在使用的或者是他在造福的是文化工作者而文化工作者的成品他們的創作品\n所造福的是我們全體國人甚至是世界的人類這是人類共同的藝術成就大家共享的文化資源所以我們都向來是非常尊重也希望政府可以努力的來扶持那在這次的刪除預算當中我看到幾個我覺得比較不合理的地方第一個有一些項目它是遭到全數刪除也就是把你整個業務停擺\n不是只是給你一點建議清理檢討是把你全數刪除例如我們聯合典藏中心刪除的金額年度高達是一億元那這個典藏中心原先要做庫房跟修復空間提供包括史博館台史博文學館國影中心跟美術基金會來使用\n那國營中心我非常重視因為去年度我們還去考察過當時國營中心就有提出來我們知道說有非常多我們的這一些過去的電影膠片海報新聞片數位修復片等等重要的影音資料庫我們都還有很多的藏品等待修復那當然是需要空間那現在\n前兩天我們也看到陳承波的後代他說捐出了兩千多件的作品我們非常感謝那他是很信任他說多年來他們現在終於是等於要交手給政府了由政府來協助他們做後續的工作那典藏都是在修復裡面非常重要的一個條件那我們現在聯合典藏中心今年度的預算全數刪除會對我們造成什麼影響\n其實講到這裡我覺得台灣的文化快速的發展的情況下我們本身政府的腳步有點跟不上譬如說他一捐就捐兩千件東西我們典藏根本來不及跟所以其實我心裡很焦急是我們做的每一個編列的預算都是在追趕前面不夠的狀態那民間這麼熱心的捐這麼多東西我們作為一個政府機構\n你輕易的把它刪掉你一點都不知道這個錢是要幹什麼的這才是真的重點就是這個錢一點都不多我們已經有點來不及了所以當在野黨刪的時候我最痛心的是你知不知道這個錢要幹什麼我們台灣的文化過去都已經忽略很久了過去被忽略這麼久現在民間這麼多人想幫忙政府把他家裡的最珍貴的話\n捐出來兩千多件他每一件都可以賣很多錢的你完全忽略了民間這些藝術家藝術家的後代對台灣文化多麼珍惜那我們政府騙個一億只為了一個典藏中心的開始你全部刪掉你再刪那一刻我不小心你想什麼\n就是有一群人這麼努力的想要建立這個文化台灣的主體文化有一些人看都不看一眼其實我最難過的不是錢的問題是態度的問題這部分也希望文化部可以再多加強跟各政黨委員的溝通因為陳如剛部長所說其實去年度的預算在我們文化委員會審查的時候原先只刪了兩千萬\n那到了第二輪由政黨之名提出的時候起初是要刪除八十億那是因為文化人站出來國人表達抗議所以最後他們才撤案最後還好災情控制到只刪了十一億但是我要講的是所以教育委員會當時國民黨的委員在野黨的委員也不是支持要刪八十億當時我們公司是刪兩千萬經過文化部的說明但是到二輪到政黨提案之後突然金額變那麼大\n那我很遺憾當時教文委員會在野黨委員沒有站出來捍衛他們在委員會所做下的決定所以不得不說他們也是目前我們看到災情的共犯但是我們可以再努力的去溝通因為我想只要是在這個委員會裡面大家基於專業來審查都是支持文化預算的例如\n還包含了我們這一次的這個表演藝術最後也被刪了兩千萬數字金額可能有人說乍看不大但我認為影響很大因為它這是延續性計畫這不是新增的本來每一年我們就是在補助我們台灣這些優秀的團體例如我們品牌團隊這個等於是台灣的旗艦藝文團體我們希望他們在國際上可以發光發亮原先我們是希望今年要可以補助更多團隊所以把預算提高沒有想到又被刪減所以恐怕\n過去補助了雲門 補助明華園 補助朱忠敬打擊樂團 幽仁神谷等等現在恐怕沒有辦法如我們原先希望的去扶植更多的藝文團體那另外我看到視覺藝術的黑潮也被刪了兩千萬這個原先是補助我們台灣的藝術家例如賴淳淳藝術文教基金會本來今年去大阪市博這個要策展\n然後例如我們也補助台灣跟澳洲的女性藝術交流計畫甚至有好地下藝術團就是花蓮在地的當代攝影家預計要去歐洲做交流這些都是我們非常支持的原先我們都希望可以補助更多的團體但是因為預算遭到了刪減同樣沒有辦法再增加那另外\n除了三檢以外才化法我認為我也是相當的遊行我們剛講到的要補助藝文團體原先我們有一個計劃是要補助地方的這個優良的傑出藝文團體那跟地方政府來分別分攤補助金額那目前這樣看來我們這個會不會受到影響在未來才化法我們文化部預算可能會減少百分之三十的情況之下\n就是預算一直往下排擠 地方團隊是第一個受害者地方團隊的錢 每個團隊的補助都很少我們經過這樣排擠之後 我們現在根本不能考慮地方團隊了那財務法法一下去 我們不但不能補助地方團隊我們所有的文資 所有的文化平權 原來我們可以\n按照資源的多少去支援不同的縣市我在這裡一再強調我們完全不會考慮政治 政黨對於文化的分配我們正要去金門正要去表演我們不會去因為它的政治而\n而刪減任何的補助所以這才是我最動心的就是你現在一刪之後我現在覺得我文化部本來可以稍微完成文化平權或者文化資產的經過一個災難我們立刻去補助它這些錢都是非常急迫的\n好 部長最後我要講剛剛講到財化法可能對文資的保存會造成衝擊這一點我真的相當憂心因為目前我們文化部我們跟行政院爭取嘛六年一共160億的預算來補助地方的文資保存一年大概二十幾億那經過財化法劃分這樣把錢撥下去之後財化法最大問題是沒有討論市權\n所以你這個錢撥給地方政府第一個他會不會撥到文化局我們都不確定那文化局會不會再去撥到要指定是就做文化資產的修復可能都不一定像文化部你們這個錢如果被強迫30%就是你文資修復的部分如果未來必須要撥給地方政府你們可不可以要求地方政府這個預算給你你就是必須要補助文資修復你們可不可以這樣要求\n當然不行啊我們沒有權利啊我們沒有辦法這樣要求試選這就是我最擔心的因為我在我的選區台北市中正萬華區我非常多的文資像我們萬華西門的將軍廟也是文化部來幫我們補助文資修復如果未來才化法錢撥給地方政府本來應該要去補助文資修復的因為沒有討論試權只討論錢\n那未來我們地方的這些文資修復如果預算不足地方政府又沒有編列的時候我們該何去何從呢\n所以部長剛雖然您說你們沒有這樣的權利但我還是要拜託你們因為你們畢竟是全國文化最高的主管機關要拜託你們跟地方政府來好好討論一旦錢撥下去了文資修復文化部原先每年20億的預算要拜託地方政府千萬還是要去執行到來保存我們台灣的文化資產因為是我們全體國人所珍貴共同的文物好不好\n好 因為我們最近要推出一個全台灣一個100大文化基地的目的就是想強化中央跟地方上共同去推一些文化基地的是這個目的我還希望去找到別的部會\n幫我們一起來支援 預住在地方其實我們不要分中央跟地方中央本身的所有錢都用在地方上這點是不用分的那我覺得大家一直沒有搞懂好像文化部的錢是用在中央中央是不存在的他的錢都是用在每一個縣市 每一個點每一個宮廟 每一個古蹟這樣子\n好 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.871 --> 00:09.848\n好謝謝主席我請文化部李遠部長好有請李部長\n\n00:15.216 --> 00:19.378\n好部長好部長上一次在這裡質詢的時候我們很高興的在討論文化部終於今年度編出了史上最高的文化預算那因為這是賴清德總統的政見也是我競選立委的政見所以當時我們是非常的肯定但是我想今天經過\n\n00:37.662 --> 00:56.015\n去年底在野黨對於我們國家總體預算的刪除刪減我們今天在這裡與其說是聽文化部的業務報告更不如說是在聽我們文化部經過在野黨刪除預算之後的宅損報告評估那我們\n\n00:57.156 --> 01:08.343\n原本今年度加上前瞻首次突破了文化預算300億這感謝文化部所有同仁的努力但是經過了刪減之後目前文化部預算刪減11億凍結34億\n\n01:12.566 --> 01:40.962\n部長在爭取預算的過程當中曾經一度哽咽當時你對媒體說你彷彿看到台灣文化人的努力像是一顆珍貴的蛋在你的眼前被捏碎了那其實部長你也不是第一次擔任政府機關的文化首長過去你擔任過在柯文哲台北市長任內你擔任過文記會的董事兩次那過去你在台北市議會你的預算有沒有遇過這麼大幅度的刪除\n\n01:45.714 --> 02:07.161\n你剛剛講到我過去在公務機關我沒有做過這是我第一次在公務機關工作文進會的董事就是以過去你在市議會的經驗你們在報告預算的時候有沒有被刪除過這麼大幅度的預算我沒有過任何預算經驗我過去的所有工作都是在電視台那我在文進會是辦一個學校也沒有預算\n\n02:08.281 --> 02:23.555\n這第一次我第一次學習你第一次遇到對那過去我在台北市議會我們也審過文化局包括文基會的預算即便當時我的角色我是在野黨的民意代表那我們也不曾對執政黨的文化預算進行過這麼大幅度的刪除\n\n02:28.180 --> 02:36.914\n刪減因為我們知道這個文化預算在使用的或者是他在造福的是文化工作者而文化工作者的成品他們的創作品\n\n02:39.136 --> 03:05.708\n所造福的是我們全體國人甚至是世界的人類這是人類共同的藝術成就大家共享的文化資源所以我們都向來是非常尊重也希望政府可以努力的來扶持那在這次的刪除預算當中我看到幾個我覺得比較不合理的地方第一個有一些項目它是遭到全數刪除也就是把你整個業務停擺\n\n03:07.469 --> 03:25.349\n不是只是給你一點建議清理檢討是把你全數刪除例如我們聯合典藏中心刪除的金額年度高達是一億元那這個典藏中心原先要做庫房跟修復空間提供包括史博館台史博文學館國影中心跟美術基金會來使用\n\n03:27.211 --> 03:46.984\n那國營中心我非常重視因為去年度我們還去考察過當時國營中心就有提出來我們知道說有非常多我們的這一些過去的電影膠片海報新聞片數位修復片等等重要的影音資料庫我們都還有很多的藏品等待修復那當然是需要空間那現在\n\n03:49.105 --> 04:13.501\n前兩天我們也看到陳承波的後代他說捐出了兩千多件的作品我們非常感謝那他是很信任他說多年來他們現在終於是等於要交手給政府了由政府來協助他們做後續的工作那典藏都是在修復裡面非常重要的一個條件那我們現在聯合典藏中心今年度的預算全數刪除會對我們造成什麼影響\n\n04:17.284 --> 04:43.407\n其實講到這裡我覺得台灣的文化快速的發展的情況下我們本身政府的腳步有點跟不上譬如說他一捐就捐兩千件東西我們典藏根本來不及跟所以其實我心裡很焦急是我們做的每一個編列的預算都是在追趕前面不夠的狀態那民間這麼熱心的捐這麼多東西我們作為一個政府機構\n\n04:44.668 --> 05:10.419\n你輕易的把它刪掉你一點都不知道這個錢是要幹什麼的這才是真的重點就是這個錢一點都不多我們已經有點來不及了所以當在野黨刪的時候我最痛心的是你知不知道這個錢要幹什麼我們台灣的文化過去都已經忽略很久了過去被忽略這麼久現在民間這麼多人想幫忙政府把他家裡的最珍貴的話\n\n05:11.559 --> 05:32.468\n捐出來兩千多件他每一件都可以賣很多錢的你完全忽略了民間這些藝術家藝術家的後代對台灣文化多麼珍惜那我們政府騙個一億只為了一個典藏中心的開始你全部刪掉你再刪那一刻我不小心你想什麼\n\n05:33.652 --> 05:59.034\n就是有一群人這麼努力的想要建立這個文化台灣的主體文化有一些人看都不看一眼其實我最難過的不是錢的問題是態度的問題這部分也希望文化部可以再多加強跟各政黨委員的溝通因為陳如剛部長所說其實去年度的預算在我們文化委員會審查的時候原先只刪了兩千萬\n\n05:59.915 --> 06:21.751\n那到了第二輪由政黨之名提出的時候起初是要刪除八十億那是因為文化人站出來國人表達抗議所以最後他們才撤案最後還好災情控制到只刪了十一億但是我要講的是所以教育委員會當時國民黨的委員在野黨的委員也不是支持要刪八十億當時我們公司是刪兩千萬經過文化部的說明但是到二輪到政黨提案之後突然金額變那麼大\n\n06:28.547 --> 06:47.840\n那我很遺憾當時教文委員會在野黨委員沒有站出來捍衛他們在委員會所做下的決定所以不得不說他們也是目前我們看到災情的共犯但是我們可以再努力的去溝通因為我想只要是在這個委員會裡面大家基於專業來審查都是支持文化預算的例如\n\n06:48.200 --> 06:52.763\n還包含了我們這一次的這個表演藝術最後也被刪了兩千萬數字金額可能有人說乍看不大但我認為影響很大因為它這是延續性計畫這不是新增的本來每一年我們就是在補助我們台灣這些優秀的團體例如我們品牌團隊這個等於是台灣的旗艦藝文團體我們希望他們在國際上可以發光發亮原先我們是希望今年要可以補助更多團隊所以把預算提高沒有想到又被刪減所以恐怕\n\n07:17.017 --> 07:20.598\n過去補助了雲門補助明華園補助朱忠敬打擊樂團幽仁神谷等等現在恐怕沒有辦法如我們原先希望的去扶植更多的藝文團體那另外我看到視覺藝術的黑潮也被刪了兩千萬這個原先是補助我們台灣的藝術家例如賴淳淳藝術文教基金會本來今年去大阪市博這個要策展\n\n07:40.206 --> 08:00.220\n然後例如我們也補助台灣跟澳洲的女性藝術交流計畫甚至有好地下藝術團就是花蓮在地的當代攝影家預計要去歐洲做交流這些都是我們非常支持的原先我們都希望可以補助更多的團體但是因為預算遭到了刪減同樣沒有辦法再增加那另外\n\n08:01.121 --> 08:27.536\n除了三檢以外才化法我認為我也是相當的遊行我們剛講到的要補助藝文團體原先我們有一個計劃是要補助地方的這個優良的傑出藝文團體那跟地方政府來分別分攤補助金額那目前這樣看來我們這個會不會受到影響在未來才化法我們文化部預算可能會減少百分之三十的情況之下\n\n08:28.476 --> 08:49.758\n就是預算一直往下排擠地方團隊是第一個受害者地方團隊的錢每個團隊的補助都很少我們經過這樣排擠之後我們現在根本不能考慮地方團隊了那財務法法一下去我們不但不能補助地方團隊我們所有的文資所有的文化平權原來我們可以\n\n08:50.399 --> 09:06.644\n按照資源的多少去支援不同的縣市我在這裡一再強調我們完全不會考慮政治政黨對於文化的分配我們正要去金門正要去表演我們不會去因為它的政治而\n\n09:07.344 --> 09:22.713\n而刪減任何的補助所以這才是我最動心的就是你現在一刪之後我現在覺得我文化部本來可以稍微完成文化平權或者文化資產的經過一個災難我們立刻去補助它這些錢都是非常急迫的\n\n09:23.453 --> 09:43.966\n好部長最後我要講剛剛講到財化法可能對文資的保存會造成衝擊這一點我真的相當憂心因為目前我們文化部我們跟行政院爭取嘛六年一共160億的預算來補助地方的文資保存一年大概二十幾億那經過財化法劃分這樣把錢撥下去之後財化法最大問題是沒有討論市權\n\n09:46.227 --> 10:09.370\n所以你這個錢撥給地方政府第一個他會不會撥到文化局我們都不確定那文化局會不會再去撥到要指定是就做文化資產的修復可能都不一定像文化部你們這個錢如果被強迫30%就是你文資修復的部分如果未來必須要撥給地方政府你們可不可以要求地方政府這個預算給你你就是必須要補助文資修復你們可不可以這樣要求\n\n10:10.150 --> 10:30.255\n當然不行啊我們沒有權利啊我們沒有辦法這樣要求試選這就是我最擔心的因為我在我的選區台北市中正萬華區我非常多的文資像我們萬華西門的將軍廟也是文化部來幫我們補助文資修復如果未來才化法錢撥給地方政府本來應該要去補助文資修復的因為沒有討論試權只討論錢\n\n10:32.970 --> 10:39.376\n那未來我們地方的這些文資修復如果預算不足地方政府又沒有編列的時候我們該何去何從呢\n\n10:40.814 --> 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