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00:01:57,000\n針對114年我們說有調高托育人員到38011然後準公托也調到33200到39200那這部分是針對公托跟準公托的部分那我想請問我們私托的托育人員跟居家托育人員那保姆的部分呢OK好來私托跟居家保姆這邊\n\n6\n00:01:59,554 --> 00:02:21,726\n跟委員報告,這個在保母的部分公托的部分其實以往大概會面臨到的狀況公托的工作人員其實一向都不是太好去聆聘尤其家長對於公托的照顧品質一般來講家長有選擇的時候大概都會優先去選擇公托對公托的照顧也有比較多的期待\n\n7\n00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:23,768\n所以公托跟準公托有去調整\n\n8\n00:02:39,279 --> 00:03:06,329\n所以我說那像失託跟居家托育保姆的部分居家托育保姆的部分我們大概去統計過居家保姆大概平均多數的保姆大概都會帶到兩個小朋友左右那平均每收一個小朋友大概他的收入會在一萬六千多所以大概一個保姆大概在兩位小朋友的時候大概在三萬二到三萬三左右\n\n9\n00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:32,122\n所以我們希望有注重到這個公托跟準公托啦所以司托跟保姆這部分我們也要注意不然我們發現這個現在有這個保姆荒的情形而且我們看一下我們從104我們看104人力銀行我們有看一年以下的這些保姆這個他整個平均的薪資最低\n\n10\n00:03:33,363 --> 00:04:02,041\n只有拿到3萬而且10年以上的也只有拿到4萬那針對我們勞動部自己職類別薪資動態查詢這部分我們也有去看你看他學前教育的兒童照顧人員保姆經常性的薪資也只有3萬1千多所以他的年薪大概只有40萬所以這看起來跟我們衛福部公布的是有一段落差是不是沒有包含\n\n11\n00:04:02,782 --> 00:04:11,081\n司托跟我們這些保姆的部分跟委員報告,您剛才所提到的數據因為如果他去做薪資調查的話\n\n12\n00:04:12,984 --> 00:04:40,627\n可能是主要是針對那個在公托或者准公托的因為他這個部分他是用薪資的部分去處理所以如果是居家保姆他的居家托育的話因為他是自營作業收入所以一般來說我們的印象他大概在說收入調查的時候大概不會拿到這一塊但是我們就他的收托的人數平均去算下來大概會在一個保姆通常大概會收托大概兩個小朋友左右\n\n13\n00:04:41,087 --> 00:05:07,959\n所以我今天會提出希望說針對我們師托還有保姆的部分我們也要去管理也要輔導不然他如果他的所得那麼低他們都不願意從事這個行業造成我們很多年輕的小孩生了以後沒有人照顧我覺得這也是一個少子化我們應該非常要注意的地方小孩生了沒人照顧啊那現在保姆薪資太低沒有人願意從事這個行業嘛\n\n14\n00:05:09,293 --> 00:05:32,886\n各位報告那這個部分的話因為現在有關的保母的收費的部分原則上都是地方政府因為有這個每個地方的生活水準的不一樣的問題所以由地方政府來去訂定他的保母收費但是我們會針對地方政府去這個保母收費的基準的部分那我們會去輔導地方政府在這個去做地方政府的這個\n\n15\n00:05:34,326 --> 00:05:49,116\n訂保姆的收費基準的時候那一些參考的原則這個我們都會要求地方政府然後注意到地方的收費的狀況好那剛好也有提到這個問題所以我們目前這個調薪的機制是各縣市去做調整的嘛針對保姆這部分\n\n16\n00:05:54,592 --> 00:06:16,942\n調薪的部分調薪的部分的話他最後發現還是有地方去那但是這個調薪的標準的部分這次公托案整個都調薪的部分是中央來中央來的做一個等這個統一的薪資的去做一個調整因為根據我們調查22個縣市其實針對我們托育的費用這部分有在討論的20個縣市只有\n\n17\n00:06:19,403 --> 00:06:38,935\n桃園新竹新北嘉義這四個縣市有在實質在討論其他的縣市那我們也看他調薪的幅度大概都是1000塊到1000塊以下那這部分我看我們社家組副署長也有在講是不是針對這部分由中央統一統一來\n\n18\n00:06:41,176 --> 00:06:50,367\n統一來調心建立這個機制是要跟地方政府跟民團來討論那這部分我們有在跟地方政府跟民團有在討論這部分嗎\n\n19\n00:06:54,061 --> 00:07:21,813\n因為現在目前這個部分就跟我們那個社會救助法一樣其實基本上他的收費其實基本上大家都看每個地方他的這一個民眾的家庭可支配所得還有他的那個最低生活費還有他的那個CPI就是那個整個所以每個地方沒有辦法這個恐怕很難所以大概就是說我們會我們當然希望就是說各地方政府盡量你總是要有一個機制往上提但是基本上還是因地制宜啦\n\n20\n00:07:22,433 --> 00:07:48,138\n所以我們意思就是說當然沒有辦法全國統一應該是有它的原因的存在但是我們各縣市針對這部分我們衛福部我們主管單位我們這些也要針對各縣市針對這些薪資的部分要去了解你看我們現在的部分我們保姆跟托育人員現在供需的狀況是如何據我們了解應該是\n\n21\n00:07:49,498 --> 00:08:17,792\n蠻缺的而且心血都沒有辦法進入包圍我先簡單說明一下中央我們現在目前本部現在目前在嚴領托育服務法這裡面就會把剛委員剛所說的就是我們中央可以統一的就是說他的居家保姆的收費跟退費的項目項目我們會把它明定但是這些項目它裡面它的具體它的均額多少還是要看地方政府剛剛說的可支配所得還有它的這個CPI等等這些去因地制宜\n\n22\n00:08:18,132 --> 00:08:46,451\n但是委員剛剛你所說的確實我覺得這個部分應該應該要有一個機制來做總體調生要不然保母確實我也知道確實就是有那個就是比較高齡化的問題這個對我們小朋友兒童照顧我覺得這個也未來是一個很大問題對啊因為你看現在保母老化然後新血輪又沒有辦法進入那當然也是變成我們年輕人小孩子生了以後沒有人有辦法去照顧造成他們不敢去生這個小孩子\n\n23\n00:08:47,031 --> 00:09:08,796\n那所以我們這邊我們也可以參考一下因為我看一下桃園市有針對新進居家托育人員他有訂定一個獎注的辦法就是說你如果服務滿一年他每年獎注多八千塊給他然後針對像我們觀音新屋大園大溪復興等地比較偏遠的地方\n\n24\n00:09:09,296 --> 00:09:37,615\n真的托育人員真的非常少尤其現在桃園現在桃園是出生率最高的地方所以他針對出生率高相對這個托育人員就減少那他針對偏鄉的部分又另外再多補助加碼2000這樣子去鼓勵我們更多的從業人員去從事保母這個工作那我覺得我們中央有些這部分也可以考慮來參考一下\n\n25\n00:09:41,298 --> 00:10:04,319\n目前對於保姆的新手進來去工作一段時間的獎勵措施目前中央現在是有訂的,滿一年是可以到一萬八這個一萬八的獎勵金額裡面一樣它是有看地方政府的財政的能力中央跟地方分別有負擔一定的比例這個部分的話在這一萬八裡面中央一樣也有支持地方相當比例的金額\n\n26\n00:10:05,460 --> 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那剛好也有提到這個問題所以我們目前這個調薪的機制是各縣市去做調整的嘛針對保姆這部分\n354592\t376942\t調薪的部分調薪的部分的話他最後發現還是有地方去那但是這個調薪的標準的部分這次公托案整個都調薪的部分是中央來中央來的做一個等這個統一的薪資的去做一個調整因為根據我們調查22個縣市其實針對我們托育的費用這部分有在討論的20個縣市只有\n379403\t398935\t桃園新竹新北嘉義這四個縣市有在實質在討論其他的縣市那我們也看他調薪的幅度大概都是1000塊到1000塊以下那這部分我看我們社家組副署長也有在講是不是針對這部分由中央統一統一來\n401176\t410367\t統一來調心建立這個機制是要跟地方政府跟民團來討論那這部分我們有在跟地方政府跟民團有在討論這部分嗎\n414061\t441813\t因為現在目前這個部分就跟我們那個社會救助法一樣其實基本上他的收費其實基本上大家都看每個地方他的這一個民眾的家庭可支配所得還有他的那個最低生活費還有他的那個CPI就是那個整個所以每個地方沒有辦法這個恐怕很難所以大概就是說我們會我們當然希望就是說各地方政府盡量你總是要有一個機制往上提但是基本上還是因地制宜啦\n442433\t468138\t所以我們意思就是說當然沒有辦法全國統一應該是有它的原因的存在但是我們各縣市針對這部分我們衛福部我們主管單位我們這些也要針對各縣市針對這些薪資的部分要去了解你看我們現在的部分我們保姆跟托育人員現在供需的狀況是如何據我們了解應該是\n469498\t497792\t蠻缺的而且心血都沒有辦法進入包圍我先簡單說明一下中央我們現在目前本部現在目前在嚴領托育服務法這裡面就會把剛委員剛所說的就是我們中央可以統一的就是說他的居家保姆的收費跟退費的項目項目我們會把它明定但是這些項目它裡面它的具體它的均額多少還是要看地方政府剛剛說的可支配所得還有它的這個CPI等等這些去因地制宜\n498132\t526451\t但是委員剛剛你所說的確實我覺得這個部分應該應該要有一個機制來做總體調生要不然保母確實我也知道確實就是有那個就是比較高齡化的問題這個對我們小朋友兒童照顧我覺得這個也未來是一個很大問題對啊因為你看現在保母老化然後新血輪又沒有辦法進入那當然也是變成我們年輕人小孩子生了以後沒有人有辦法去照顧造成他們不敢去生這個小孩子\n527031\t548796\t那所以我們這邊我們也可以參考一下因為我看一下桃園市有針對新進居家托育人員他有訂定一個獎注的辦法就是說你如果服務滿一年他每年獎注多八千塊給他然後針對像我們觀音新屋大園大溪復興等地比較偏遠的地方\n549296\t577615\t真的托育人員真的非常少尤其現在桃園現在桃園是出生率最高的地方所以他針對出生率高相對這個托育人員就減少那他針對偏鄉的部分又另外再多補助加碼2000這樣子去鼓勵我們更多的從業人員去從事保母這個工作那我覺得我們中央有些這部分也可以考慮來參考一下\n581298\t604319\t目前對於保姆的新手進來去工作一段時間的獎勵措施目前中央現在是有訂的,滿一年是可以到一萬八這個一萬八的獎勵金額裡面一樣它是有看地方政府的財政的能力中央跟地方分別有負擔一定的比例這個部分的話在這一萬八裡面中央一樣也有支持地方相當比例的金額\n605460\t621826\t好那今天會提出的主要部分我是發現因為我們針對公托跟準公托這部分我們當然我們中央這部分有注意到那針對私托還有我們保姆這部分我覺得我們也要好好的管理輔導能夠解決我們這個保姆荒的問題好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那請我們衛福部次長好次長那個請問一下我們台灣我們\n推動這個居家托育制度登記制以來到現在其實滿10年了可是我們後來我們研究以後發現這個制度上發現還是有一些問題那針對保姆他的薪資長期低迷然後條性又缺乏標準而且現在也沒有一個\n明確有效的違規退場機制那導致我們托育的品質參差不齊讓我們很多的家長也無所適從那我想請問一下次長你認為現在針對保姆托育員針對他們現在工作的內容你覺得他們的薪資現在是高還是低包委員這個我當然覺得還是不足啦應該還是要來有努力的空間\n因為我過去在台中我擔任過社會局長我也知道這些保姆他們實在是很辛苦的很辛苦然後也真的也希望把這個小朋友照顧好所以我想合理的薪資我想是應該的所以我們也有看我們\n針對114年我們說有調高托育人員到38011然後準公托也調到33200到39200那這部分是針對公托跟準公托的部分那我想請問我們私托的托育人員跟居家托育人員那保姆的部分呢OK好來私托跟居家保姆這邊\n跟委員報告,這個在保母的部分公托的部分其實以往大概會面臨到的狀況公托的工作人員其實一向都不是太好去聆聘尤其家長對於公托的照顧品質一般來講家長有選擇的時候大概都會優先去選擇公托對公托的照顧也有比較多的期待\n所以公托跟準公托有去調整\n所以我說那像失託跟居家托育保姆的部分居家托育保姆的部分我們大概去統計過居家保姆大概平均多數的保姆大概都會帶到兩個小朋友左右那平均每收一個小朋友大概他的收入會在一萬六千多所以大概一個保姆大概在兩位小朋友的時候大概在三萬二到三萬三左右\n所以我們希望有注重到這個公托跟準公托啦所以司托跟保姆這部分我們也要注意不然我們發現這個現在有這個保姆荒的情形而且我們看一下我們從104我們看104人力銀行我們有看一年以下的這些保姆這個他整個平均的薪資最低\n只有拿到3萬而且10年以上的也只有拿到4萬那針對我們勞動部自己職類別薪資動態查詢這部分我們也有去看你看他學前教育的兒童照顧人員保姆經常性的薪資也只有3萬1千多所以他的年薪大概只有40萬所以這看起來跟我們衛福部公布的是有一段落差是不是沒有包含\n司托跟我們這些保姆的部分跟委員報告,您剛才所提到的數據因為如果他去做薪資調查的話\n可能是主要是針對那個在公托或者准公托的因為他這個部分他是用薪資的部分去處理所以如果是居家保姆他的居家托育的話因為他是自營作業收入所以一般來說我們的印象他大概在說收入調查的時候大概不會拿到這一塊但是我們就他的收托的人數平均去算下來大概會在一個保姆通常大概會收托大概兩個小朋友左右\n所以我今天會提出希望說針對我們師托還有保姆的部分我們也要去管理也要輔導不然他如果他的所得那麼低他們都不願意從事這個行業造成我們很多年輕的小孩生了以後沒有人照顧我覺得這也是一個少子化我們應該非常要注意的地方小孩生了沒人照顧啊那現在保姆薪資太低沒有人願意從事這個行業嘛\n各位報告那這個部分的話因為現在有關的保母的收費的部分原則上都是地方政府因為有這個每個地方的生活水準的不一樣的問題所以由地方政府來去訂定他的保母收費但是我們會針對地方政府去這個保母收費的基準的部分那我們會去輔導地方政府在這個去做地方政府的這個\n訂保姆的收費基準的時候那一些參考的原則這個我們都會要求地方政府然後注意到地方的收費的狀況好 那剛好也有提到這個問題所以我們目前這個調薪的機制是各縣市去做調整的嘛針對保姆這部分\n調薪的部分調薪的部分的話他最後發現還是有地方去那但是這個調薪的標準的部分這次公托案整個都調薪的部分是中央來中央來的做一個等這個統一的薪資的去做一個調整因為根據我們調查22個縣市其實針對我們托育的費用這部分有在討論的20個縣市只有\n桃園新竹新北嘉義這四個縣市有在實質在討論其他的縣市那我們也看他調薪的幅度大概都是1000塊到1000塊以下那這部分我看我們社家組副署長也有在講是不是針對這部分由中央統一統一來\n統一來調心建立這個機制是要跟地方政府跟民團來討論那這部分我們有在跟地方政府跟民團有在討論這部分嗎\n因為現在目前這個部分就跟我們那個社會救助法一樣其實基本上他的收費其實基本上大家都看每個地方他的這一個民眾的家庭可支配所得還有他的那個最低生活費還有他的那個CPI就是那個整個所以每個地方沒有辦法這個恐怕很難所以大概就是說我們會我們當然希望就是說各地方政府盡量你總是要有一個機制往上提但是基本上還是因地制宜啦\n所以我們意思就是說當然沒有辦法全國統一應該是有它的原因的存在但是我們各縣市針對這部分我們衛福部我們主管單位我們這些也要針對各縣市針對這些薪資的部分要去了解你看我們現在的部分我們保姆跟托育人員現在供需的狀況是如何據我們了解應該是\n蠻缺的而且心血都沒有辦法進入包圍我先簡單說明一下中央我們現在目前本部現在目前在嚴領托育服務法這裡面就會把剛委員剛所說的就是我們中央可以統一的就是說他的居家保姆的收費跟退費的項目項目我們會把它明定但是這些項目它裡面它的具體它的均額多少還是要看地方政府剛剛說的可支配所得還有它的這個CPI等等這些去因地制宜\n但是委員剛剛你所說的確實我覺得這個部分應該應該要有一個機制來做總體調生要不然保母確實我也知道確實就是有那個就是比較高齡化的問題這個對我們小朋友兒童照顧我覺得這個也未來是一個很大問題對啊因為你看現在保母老化然後新血輪又沒有辦法進入那當然也是變成我們年輕人小孩子生了以後沒有人有辦法去照顧造成他們不敢去生這個小孩子\n那所以我們這邊我們也可以參考一下因為我看一下桃園市有針對新進居家托育人員他有訂定一個獎注的辦法就是說你如果服務滿一年他每年獎注多八千塊給他然後針對像我們觀音新屋大園大溪復興等地比較偏遠的地方\n真的托育人員真的非常少尤其現在桃園現在桃園是出生率最高的地方所以他針對出生率高相對這個托育人員就減少那他針對偏鄉的部分又另外再多補助加碼2000這樣子去鼓勵我們更多的從業人員去從事保母這個工作那我覺得我們中央有些這部分也可以考慮來參考一下\n目前對於保姆的新手進來去工作一段時間的獎勵措施目前中央現在是有訂的,滿一年是可以到一萬八這個一萬八的獎勵金額裡面一樣它是有看地方政府的財政的能力中央跟地方分別有負擔一定的比例這個部分的話在這一萬八裡面中央一樣也有支持地方相當比例的金額\n好那今天會提出的主要部分我是發現因為我們針對公托跟準公托這部分我們當然我們中央這部分有注意到那針對私托還有我們保姆這部分我覺得我們也要好好的管理輔導能夠解決我們這個保姆荒的問題好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.451 --> 00:11.353\n好謝謝主席那請我們衛福部次長好次長那個請問一下我們台灣我們\n\n00:25.922 --> 00:45.195\n推動這個居家托育制度登記制以來到現在其實滿10年了可是我們後來我們研究以後發現這個制度上發現還是有一些問題那針對保姆他的薪資長期低迷然後條性又缺乏標準而且現在也沒有一個\n\n00:45.871 --> 01:14.794\n明確有效的違規退場機制那導致我們托育的品質參差不齊讓我們很多的家長也無所適從那我想請問一下次長你認為現在針對保姆托育員針對他們現在工作的內容你覺得他們的薪資現在是高還是低包委員這個我當然覺得還是不足啦應該還是要來有努力的空間\n\n01:17.112 --> 01:31.004\n因為我過去在台中我擔任過社會局長我也知道這些保姆他們實在是很辛苦的很辛苦然後也真的也希望把這個小朋友照顧好所以我想合理的薪資我想是應該的所以我們也有看我們\n\n01:33.446 --> 01:57.000\n針對114年我們說有調高托育人員到38011然後準公托也調到33200到39200那這部分是針對公托跟準公托的部分那我想請問我們私托的托育人員跟居家托育人員那保姆的部分呢OK好來私托跟居家保姆這邊\n\n01:59.554 --> 02:21.726\n跟委員報告,這個在保母的部分公托的部分其實以往大概會面臨到的狀況公托的工作人員其實一向都不是太好去聆聘尤其家長對於公托的照顧品質一般來講家長有選擇的時候大概都會優先去選擇公托對公托的照顧也有比較多的期待\n\n02:22.667 --> 02:23.768\n所以公托跟準公托有去調整\n\n02:39.279 --> 03:06.329\n所以我說那像失託跟居家托育保姆的部分居家托育保姆的部分我們大概去統計過居家保姆大概平均多數的保姆大概都會帶到兩個小朋友左右那平均每收一個小朋友大概他的收入會在一萬六千多所以大概一個保姆大概在兩位小朋友的時候大概在三萬二到三萬三左右\n\n03:07.509 --> 03:32.122\n所以我們希望有注重到這個公托跟準公托啦所以司托跟保姆這部分我們也要注意不然我們發現這個現在有這個保姆荒的情形而且我們看一下我們從104我們看104人力銀行我們有看一年以下的這些保姆這個他整個平均的薪資最低\n\n03:33.363 --> 04:02.041\n只有拿到3萬而且10年以上的也只有拿到4萬那針對我們勞動部自己職類別薪資動態查詢這部分我們也有去看你看他學前教育的兒童照顧人員保姆經常性的薪資也只有3萬1千多所以他的年薪大概只有40萬所以這看起來跟我們衛福部公布的是有一段落差是不是沒有包含\n\n04:02.782 --> 04:11.081\n司托跟我們這些保姆的部分跟委員報告,您剛才所提到的數據因為如果他去做薪資調查的話\n\n04:12.984 --> 04:40.627\n可能是主要是針對那個在公托或者准公托的因為他這個部分他是用薪資的部分去處理所以如果是居家保姆他的居家托育的話因為他是自營作業收入所以一般來說我們的印象他大概在說收入調查的時候大概不會拿到這一塊但是我們就他的收托的人數平均去算下來大概會在一個保姆通常大概會收托大概兩個小朋友左右\n\n04:41.087 --> 05:07.959\n所以我今天會提出希望說針對我們師托還有保姆的部分我們也要去管理也要輔導不然他如果他的所得那麼低他們都不願意從事這個行業造成我們很多年輕的小孩生了以後沒有人照顧我覺得這也是一個少子化我們應該非常要注意的地方小孩生了沒人照顧啊那現在保姆薪資太低沒有人願意從事這個行業嘛\n\n05:09.293 --> 05:32.886\n各位報告那這個部分的話因為現在有關的保母的收費的部分原則上都是地方政府因為有這個每個地方的生活水準的不一樣的問題所以由地方政府來去訂定他的保母收費但是我們會針對地方政府去這個保母收費的基準的部分那我們會去輔導地方政府在這個去做地方政府的這個\n\n05:34.326 --> 05:49.116\n訂保姆的收費基準的時候那一些參考的原則這個我們都會要求地方政府然後注意到地方的收費的狀況好那剛好也有提到這個問題所以我們目前這個調薪的機制是各縣市去做調整的嘛針對保姆這部分\n\n05:54.592 --> 06:16.942\n調薪的部分調薪的部分的話他最後發現還是有地方去那但是這個調薪的標準的部分這次公托案整個都調薪的部分是中央來中央來的做一個等這個統一的薪資的去做一個調整因為根據我們調查22個縣市其實針對我們托育的費用這部分有在討論的20個縣市只有\n\n06:19.403 --> 06:38.935\n桃園新竹新北嘉義這四個縣市有在實質在討論其他的縣市那我們也看他調薪的幅度大概都是1000塊到1000塊以下那這部分我看我們社家組副署長也有在講是不是針對這部分由中央統一統一來\n\n06:41.176 --> 06:50.367\n統一來調心建立這個機制是要跟地方政府跟民團來討論那這部分我們有在跟地方政府跟民團有在討論這部分嗎\n\n06:54.061 --> 07:21.813\n因為現在目前這個部分就跟我們那個社會救助法一樣其實基本上他的收費其實基本上大家都看每個地方他的這一個民眾的家庭可支配所得還有他的那個最低生活費還有他的那個CPI就是那個整個所以每個地方沒有辦法這個恐怕很難所以大概就是說我們會我們當然希望就是說各地方政府盡量你總是要有一個機制往上提但是基本上還是因地制宜啦\n\n07:22.433 --> 07:48.138\n所以我們意思就是說當然沒有辦法全國統一應該是有它的原因的存在但是我們各縣市針對這部分我們衛福部我們主管單位我們這些也要針對各縣市針對這些薪資的部分要去了解你看我們現在的部分我們保姆跟托育人員現在供需的狀況是如何據我們了解應該是\n\n07:49.498 --> 08:17.792\n蠻缺的而且心血都沒有辦法進入包圍我先簡單說明一下中央我們現在目前本部現在目前在嚴領托育服務法這裡面就會把剛委員剛所說的就是我們中央可以統一的就是說他的居家保姆的收費跟退費的項目項目我們會把它明定但是這些項目它裡面它的具體它的均額多少還是要看地方政府剛剛說的可支配所得還有它的這個CPI等等這些去因地制宜\n\n08:18.132 --> 08:46.451\n但是委員剛剛你所說的確實我覺得這個部分應該應該要有一個機制來做總體調生要不然保母確實我也知道確實就是有那個就是比較高齡化的問題這個對我們小朋友兒童照顧我覺得這個也未來是一個很大問題對啊因為你看現在保母老化然後新血輪又沒有辦法進入那當然也是變成我們年輕人小孩子生了以後沒有人有辦法去照顧造成他們不敢去生這個小孩子\n\n08:47.031 --> 09:08.796\n那所以我們這邊我們也可以參考一下因為我看一下桃園市有針對新進居家托育人員他有訂定一個獎注的辦法就是說你如果服務滿一年他每年獎注多八千塊給他然後針對像我們觀音新屋大園大溪復興等地比較偏遠的地方\n\n09:09.296 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來，不會調整成一個月5,000元的育兒津貼，現在是不會的。","針對臨時提案的文字，我們建議是否能夠稍微酌作調整，最後一段修正為「爰提案要求衛福部於三個月內研議，採取限期改善機制，在改善期後仍未達標準，再行解約，及改善期間家長協助措施之可行性。」我們大概就是在文字上稍微做一點調整，以上建議，謝謝。"],["主席：這是家長提出的陳情，因為準公托是一個蘿蔔一個坑，好像不是很好找，而且礙於居住地點的關係，無法找太遠的，況且也不一定能找得到，所以你們應該要輔導他們轉托。如果托育中心本身的條件不好、評鑑的結果不好，當然是要改善，我們對於評鑑的部分不予置評，但是你們要輔導他們，因為現在準公托真的是不好找，真的是有很多家長來陳情，以上。你把臨時提案改成這樣，可以啦！","臨時提案1案修正後通過。"],["主席（涂委員權吉代）：下一位請蘇清泉委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-4","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","王育敏","盧縣一","黃秀芳","劉建國","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","涂權吉","林淑芬","王正旭","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","張雅琳","楊曜","李坤城","麥玉珍","陳瑩","鄭正鈐","黃捷","林德福","陳培瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-03-27"],"gazette_id":"1143301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造\n友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143301_00001"}}}