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00:02:17,330\n是高雄市最捐畜那我想這個擔心財政部的能力本席也建議在座各部會趕快組一個戰略的團隊不要只丟給財政部我們雖然一方面在檢討財政部但一方面我也要幫財政部講話\n\n7\n00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:36,819\n應該各部會來幫忙協助但是我覺得啦本席倒覺得央行總裁啊楊總裁是很好的一個隊長人選但是呢很可惜他今天沒來副總裁幫我轉達一下好不好我想在者本席認為啊美方送來的說辭看似表面是處理關稅實則另有所圖啊\n\n8\n00:02:37,079 --> 00:02:43,944\n相裝五件意在沛公本席強烈的建議趕快弄清楚過去150餘年令人的美國總統發動的關稅戰跟貿易戰美國也曾發動對西班牙戰爭奪取古巴關島菲律賓當時也涉及的關稅政策1929年經濟大蕭條以及涉及的關稅\n\n9\n00:02:57,074 --> 00:03:18,143\n我想1970年的越戰私有危機也涉及到關稅最具參考的1985廣場協議更是值得在座各部會詳加了解要講到1985的廣場協議在上個會期本席就跟楊金榮總裁還提到他還謝謝我要提醒他這樣過程因為他沒有想過這樣的問題\n\n10\n00:03:19,463 --> 00:03:34,998\n我倒覺得央行總裁是整個戰略團隊最佳的一個隊長人選所以希望這樣子的一個整個籌組的團隊能夠趕快成型在座各位我想你們都是典型的公務人員\n\n11\n00:03:36,019 --> 00:03:58,826\n你們的思維跟習慣我覺得在這個部分上我們沒有要批評但是我們希望在面對詭譎多變的21世紀以及川普擔任美國總統以後他的思維到底我們能不能跟得上我們要怎麼樣去引引這個部分我們希望在這個部分我們應該加強的來涉掠那副總裁\n\n12\n00:04:01,291 --> 00:04:05,234\n謝謝委員的建議離我們比較最近的是廣場會議那一段時間其實剛好台灣的經濟狀況是不錯的台幣升值等等那如果我們再回顧現在的趨勢我們有做了一些國際經濟環境跟國內相關的一些競爭力分析我相信我們總裁如果在這邊一定也是對\n\n13\n00:04:29,632 --> 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