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00:03:14,468\n跟委員報告在我上任之後這個案子我有去了解但是我也做內部的所以你知道嗎請問你當央廣董事長多久了三年三年所以這個四年前的案子是這個案子崔少仁一直緊追不放到現在為止好在廉政署公佈了你們相關因為廉政署是沒有完全公佈但是已經他的報告公開五千多筆有超過兩千四百筆單據一場\n\n9\n00:03:16,249 --> 00:03:20,090\n所以董事長你沒有責任嗎?你沒有責任嗎?你剛講說感到遺憾一句遺憾結束了嗎?部長你去夏宵演講說拿了一個大碗公說這個是討飯吃請問一下今天是可以用這種炸零然後這些不實的單據來討飯吃嗎?可以嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:42,654 --> 00:03:55,850\n所以董事長你對這件事情有沒有任何的行政責任呢你自己有沒有任何行政責任你自己說你當了央視那個就是央廣三年當了央廣三年的董事長對這個案子到現在為止你只是親戚的一句遺憾\n\n11\n00:04:03,936 --> 00:04:04,777\n妳要道歉嗎過去三年沒有任何違法違規\n\n12\n00:04:34,617 --> 00:04:59,769\n公道的一個來處理請問一下有關於他的霸凌案你們會重啟調查嗎是的我們已經公告我們已經重啟調查然後這個調查裡頭會有法外部的法律專家跟律師然後會有心理師而且還會什麼時候重啟調查這個案子重新立案調查我們前天已經公開宣布了\n\n13\n00:05:00,089 --> 00:05:23,918\n所以從前天才開始如果今天當事人沒有再公開聲明沒有再公開向社會大眾呼喊你們也沒有重新調查所以是在前天才開始重新立案調查好董事長再給你最後一個機會最後機會你對這個案子除了遺憾之外你有任何的道歉嗎\n\n14\n00:05:25,424 --> 00:05:52,957\n我针对过去央广曾经有违规或者是不法的事情针对那个时候所呈现的事情我现在代表央广我可以说这是非常遗憾的但是我们也做了非常多的道歉你都不认为要道歉我甚至认为连部长这件事情等一下我现在问部长不要浪费我时间\n\n15\n00:05:53,797 --> 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