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00:01:31,381\n以及要來承攬這個的中華冒險我曾經兩度請他們到辦公室來因為我很關心展出的內容有沒有邀請我們原住民的這些藝文團體又或者說展覽的內容有沒有有關我們台灣原住民族的文化\n\n5\n00:01:32,262 --> 00:01:46,214\n但是在預算會期的時候我看到更憂心的是竟然被刪了5.9億的旅費業務費等等等甚至是沒宣費用5900萬也被刪除\n\n6\n00:01:49,957 --> 00:02:18,637\n那我今天是來文化部這邊我就是特別想要來關心我們文化部我相信很多的部會可以一同的在這樣的一個世界博覽會舞台上來共同的努力展現我們台灣多元的文化所以我在這邊就是特別希望我們部長您要關心像例如有一個議題我在去年有接到一個陳情這個陳情人呢他其實是日本人\n\n7\n00:02:19,577 --> 00:02:41,520\n他說他到他們大阪這個國立的原住民族博物館過去長期以來都有展出我們台灣各個族群的物件但是他感到很驚訝因為有一個展覽叫做中國地域之文化的展覽\n\n8\n00:02:42,501 --> 00:03:06,115\n也就是中國的版圖的意思他看到這個展區有把我們原住民族寫成高山族把它納入中國的版圖來展覽甚至原來一模一樣台灣展的物件被拿去移植也來做他們中國的展示廳的展品\n\n9\n00:03:06,815 --> 00:03:10,677\n那這個部分他之所以驚訝是說他不太理解從台灣來的參與者呢好像沒有做什麼抗議導致他們的管方也沒有辦法理解這種一中五入台灣的嚴重性那我不曉得說部長您知不知道這個事情那這一次剛好我們的世界博覽會又要在大阪\n\n10\n00:03:29,125 --> 00:03:36,985\n那我相信很多來自全世界各地的遊客也都會來這個博物館參觀部長你有沒有有一些了解\n\n11\n00:03:38,524 --> 00:04:00,823\n這件事情我並不知道但是我知道中國本身在各個地方都把台灣試著納入它的一部分這個是它本身不斷地在做的事情但是站在我們的立場我非常努力地從去年巴黎文化奧運到現在我們在每一次的任何展出都要強調我們是來自台灣即使在\n\n12\n00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:30,624\n官方網站上不准出現台灣我們都非常努力的用各種方式出現那中國用這個方式其實他們到處在用這個方式包括我們申請這個世界遺址他們也很快把我們蓋過去像這個事情到處都發生那部長我之所以會提是因為4月13號就在大阪冷場那正在我們的大阪這個國立民族學的博物館呢\n\n13\n00:04:31,585 --> 00:04:46,197\n有這樣的一個站出然後陳情的人他說我們台灣沒有表示什麼立場那照理說全世界博物館都在解殖民啊那我們其實是不贊同\n\n14\n00:04:46,937 --> 00:05:05,020\n我們把這些殖民收購來的文物放在博覽館炫耀展示當然它有它教育的意義我們也可以這樣說但是現在世界的趨勢是要解殖民所以我在這個地方就是特別提出來我希望部長你能夠去了解這件事也請同仁能夠去讓我們知道未來它目前的狀況跟未來因應的一個方向那也作為文化部未來我們在這個全世界各地\n\n15\n00:05:16,722 --> 00:05:31,719\n這些博物館內的原住民的特別是原住民的這些收藏品像我自己也協助在愛丁堡英國愛丁堡那個遺骨返還那我想文化部未來有沒有這樣的一個政策性的規劃\n\n16\n00:05:34,285 --> 00:05:59,907\n剛剛委員講到解職這個概念台灣本身針對早期別人怎麼稱呼是高山族或者高沙族到現在改成原住民其實這些年來我們一直把原住民的文化裡面每一個習俗舞蹈歌唱都代表台灣出去一個非常重要的元素這點請委員放心我們都會把它列入是一個非常重要的表演\n\n17\n00:06:00,708 --> 00:06:05,010\n大阪的國立民族學博物館我也請部長因為這個活動我完全不知道的所以部長這其實是蠻駭人的一件事情讓人很驚訝那作為文化部我希望部長能夠請我們的同仁能夠去了解也能夠跟辦公室這邊做一個報告我們去了解另外一件事情在三個月前我要特別謝謝文化部文字局\n\n18\n00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:48,234\n泰雅族的很重要很重要的這個所謂的聖石他們已經努力了十多年終於成功的通過作為國家級的文資重要文化資產我必須要在這個地方來特別來跟部長文化部說聲謝謝但是真的很辛苦爭取十多年\n\n19\n00:06:48,954 --> 00:07:10,321\n那我自己是在2020年的2月進入到立法院我也有接受他們的陳情那當時呢我們有協助就是爭取前瞻再造歷史場域的經費當時有爭取到800多萬可以把這個地方去做一個所謂的文化設施的整理但很可惜就是地方政府沒有作為\n\n20\n00:07:11,201 --> 00:07:31,593\n所以最後這筆錢收回那我們要再次的協助地方去爭取也謝謝最後文化部文資局這邊也有提供兩百多萬讓他們可以去做步道等等那我在這邊要提這個問題的原因是說其實我們有一個原住民族重大歷史文化事件紀念空間的補助要點\n\n21\n00:07:34,275 --> 00:07:52,851\n那過去呢園民會它是提出了原住民重大的歷史文化事件有十大事件他們也有專書那文化部這邊呢是空間補助作業要點我想請教一下部長就是到底做了幾個空間補助局長也可以局長比較具體跟您報告一下那個項目\n\n22\n00:08:01,995 --> 00:08:26,417\n這個原住民族的重大歷史事件它的定義都是由原民會它會定義哪些重大歷史事件那我們在這個補助要點裡面它第一個就是這些重大歷史事件它必須有做了幾件了現在目前我們有三個案子已經有所謂重大歷史事件所以做了三個案子物色事件物色事件那牡丹色事件好那我其實之前在原民會文化部我都有質詢過\n\n23\n00:08:28,198 --> 00:08:47,110\n我們不局限在十大像我之前有提過南番事件也很重要那謝謝也有補助調研的經費但是調研的下一步是什麼結案啦原民會那邊有補助調研經費結案啦那能不能夠申請空間補助\n\n24\n00:08:49,636 --> 00:09:13,172\n可以啊只要他有文化資產身份就可以那像那個李洞山事件呢李洞山現在正在做文化資產調查研究是調研經費也有給了嘛我們都希望做完調研的下一步我們應該要到所謂的空間的補助那我在這個地方特別做這樣的一個提醒因為說實在案件非常的少速度比較緩慢一點\n\n25\n00:09:14,733 --> 00:09:33,839\n那在這裡呢我很重視空間為什麼因為原住民是在跟我們的時間賽跑所以我一直很關心像有很多的東西像我舉個例子石板屋其實石板屋是很美很重要的一個文化資產但是呢老師要取得文資身份很累\n\n26\n00:09:34,739 --> 00:09:46,474\n然後呢如果壞掉了修復他又沒有所謂的建造死照也很難去申請所謂的一個修復那一般老百姓我也沒錢啊他也不願意修復然後就沒有了\n\n27\n00:09:52,216 --> 00:10:21,696\n我想這個不是我們政府的希望所以我常常說這一些不具文字身份的那我們要怎麼樣去改善我們在跟時間賽跑像很多的祖靈屋非常的重要但是也苦於找不到對應的科目可以來申請經費像是我們的這個所謂的國家文化記憶庫以這個彭水光或者是琉璃珠之母江雅蕾這兩位這個是他們的私人博物館\n\n28\n00:10:22,877 --> 00:10:49,679\n他們自己在家裡也自己做博物館一邊做他們的工作室一邊做這樣的一個地方私人的博物館但是很辛苦像我常常講他已經要被人家收回了他也不知道他未來的這些展覽要放在哪裡那像彭水光他已經失智了那他的家人也不知道這一些這麼漂亮的木雕到底要何去何從甚至有可能要把他給一一的賣掉\n\n29\n00:10:51,340 --> 00:11:08,599\n我想這也不是我們國家要的所以像這種只記憶但是我們卻沒有辦法保存非常的可惜那甚至是像我們很多原住民的巫師我們所謂的靈媒布林奧那他們呢傳承也很困難\n\n30\n00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,001\n一一的凋零他們也很希望我們能夠使用政府的什麼計畫嗎是師徒制可以給我們嗎他們其實都很辛苦我講這些只是因為我看到我們的夜報上我們有一個新的計畫叫做百大文化基地那我認真看了一下好像喔像有提到地方文化館提到文化展演據點社區營造的地方據點文化路徑等等等\n\n31\n00:11:38,266 --> 00:11:42,710\n我不知道他們有沒有資格那請教一下正美醫案補助的很多嗎這個計畫會維持幾年呢\n\n32\n00:11:47,210 --> 00:12:15,323\n好我跟委員報告一下這個計畫是一個新想出來的一個計畫是它每兩年一次每兩年舉行一次讓各地方的場館博物館美術館或者您剛才講到原住民的一些社造他們都來申請申請之後我們請學者專家選出100個它的目的就是去凸顯它不同的文化層面所以是每兩年選出100個對然後預算並不高預算多少\n\n33\n00:12:15,683 --> 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特別是原住民的這些收藏品像我自己也協助在愛丁堡 英國愛丁堡那個遺骨返還那我想文化部未來有沒有這樣的一個政策性的規劃\n334285\t359907\t剛剛委員講到解職這個概念台灣本身針對早期別人怎麼稱呼是高山族或者高沙族到現在改成原住民其實這些年來我們一直把原住民的文化裡面每一個習俗 舞蹈 歌唱都代表台灣出去一個非常重要的元素這點請委員放心我們都會把它列入是一個非常重要的表演\n360708\t365010\t大阪的國立民族學博物館我也請部長因為這個活動我完全不知道的所以部長這其實是蠻駭人的一件事情讓人很驚訝那作為文化部我希望部長能夠請我們的同仁能夠去了解也能夠跟辦公室這邊做一個報告我們去了解另外一件事情在三個月前我要特別謝謝文化部文字局\n387440\t408234\t泰雅族的很重要很重要的這個所謂的聖石他們已經努力了十多年終於成功的通過作為國家級的文資重要文化資產我必須要在這個地方來特別來跟部長文化部說聲謝謝但是真的很辛苦爭取十多年\n408954\t430321\t那我自己是在2020年的2月進入到立法院我也有接受他們的陳情那當時呢我們有協助就是爭取前瞻再造歷史場域的經費當時有爭取到800多萬可以把這個地方去做一個所謂的文化設施的整理但很可惜就是地方政府沒有作為\n431201\t451593\t所以最後這筆錢收回那我們要再次的協助地方去爭取也謝謝最後文化部文資局這邊也有提供兩百多萬讓他們可以去做步道等等那我在這邊要提這個問題的原因是說其實我們有一個原住民族重大歷史文化事件紀念空間的補助要點\n454275\t472851\t那過去呢 園民會 它是提出了原住民重大的歷史文化事件有十大事件 他們也有專書那文化部這邊呢 是空間補助作業要點我想請教一下部長 就是到底做了幾個空間補助局長也可以局長比較具體跟您報告一下那個項目\n481995\t506417\t這個原住民族的重大歷史事件它的定義都是由原民會它會定義哪些重大歷史事件那我們在這個補助要點裡面它第一個就是這些重大歷史事件它必須有做了幾件了現在目前我們有三個案子已經有所謂重大歷史事件所以做了三個案子物色事件物色事件 那牡丹色事件好 那我其實之前在原民會文化部我都有質詢過\n508198\t527110\t我們不局限在十大像我之前有提過南番事件也很重要那謝謝也有補助調研的經費但是調研的下一步是什麼 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美術館或者您剛才講到原住民的一些社造他們都來申請申請之後我們請學者專家選出100個它的目的就是去凸顯它不同的文化層面所以是每兩年選出100個對 然後預算並不高預算多少\n735683\t754977\t每一個被選出來的我們給他五十萬分兩年可是我想要做的另外一件事就是試著去用這樣的方式去找到別的部會一起來做謝謝部長 謝謝您我喜歡很感動你這樣的一個表態對 我要講的意思就是這樣很多很多摯愛難行的\n756598\t760841\t我覺得我們如果覺得他真的重要我們就付諸行動我們來想一個計畫的型態我們來抱怨我們核定之後我們來幫助他們所以在這邊我聽到部長這樣的回應我非常的高興請部長還有我們的局長你們都很努力我們繼續一起努力一起加油謝謝主席是我們會努力好那也希望就是一個月內能夠把這樣的一個態度也能夠用一個書面回應給我好謝謝\n787503\t789110\t好 謝謝吳麗華委員 部長請回接下來我們請吳思雅委員\n","txt":"有請部長我們今年有一個國際矚目的大活動4月13號即將登場\n就是在日本大阪舉辦的世界博覽會那我也特別在新聞中看到上個月交通部林佳龍部長和外交部林部長跟您也有一個會議就是你們特別提到這個世界博覽會即將到來你們要聯手要來延伸去年巴黎文化奧運的成功經驗\n那文化部這邊這次會做哪些事情這個活動從4月開始已經由經濟部開始為主導我們大概在8月我們是8月那個你們8月要進場對 然後會一個比較長的時間在不同地點表演部長 我跟您說我其實也很關心我去年有找來國貿署\n以及要來承攬這個的中華冒險我曾經兩度請他們到辦公室來因為我很關心展出的內容有沒有邀請我們原住民的這些藝文團體又或者說展覽的內容有沒有有關我們台灣原住民族的文化\n但是在預算會期的時候 我看到更憂心的是竟然被刪了5.9億的旅費 業務費等等等甚至是沒宣費用5900萬也被刪除\n那我今天是來文化部這邊我就是特別想要來關心我們文化部我相信很多的部會可以一同的在這樣的一個世界博覽會舞台上來共同的努力展現我們台灣多元的文化所以我在這邊就是特別希望我們部長您要關心像例如有一個議題我在去年有接到一個陳情這個陳情人呢他其實是日本人\n他說他到他們大阪這個國立的原住民族博物館過去長期以來都有展出我們台灣各個族群的物件但是他感到很驚訝因為有一個展覽叫做中國地域之文化的展覽\n也就是中國的版圖的意思他看到這個展區有把我們原住民族寫成高山族把它納入中國的版圖來展覽甚至原來一模一樣台灣展的物件被拿去移植也來做他們中國的展示廳的展品\n那這個部分他之所以驚訝是說他不太理解從台灣來的參與者呢好像沒有做什麼抗議導致他們的管方也沒有辦法理解這種一中五入台灣的嚴重性那我不曉得說部長您知不知道這個事情那這一次剛好我們的世界博覽會又要在大阪\n那我相信很多來自全世界各地的遊客也都會來這個博物館參觀部長你有沒有有一些了解\n這件事情我並不知道但是我知道中國本身在各個地方都把台灣試著納入它的一部分這個是它本身不斷地在做的事情但是站在我們的立場我非常努力地從去年巴黎文化奧運到現在我們在每一次的任何展出都要強調我們是來自台灣即使在\n官方網站上不准出現台灣我們都非常努力的用各種方式出現那中國用這個方式其實他們到處在用這個方式包括我們申請這個世界遺址他們也很快把我們蓋過去像這個事情到處都發生那部長我之所以會提是因為4月13號就在大阪冷場那正在我們的大阪這個國立民族學的博物館呢\n有這樣的一個站出然後陳情的人他說我們台灣沒有表示什麼立場那照理說全世界博物館都在解殖民啊那我們其實是不贊同\n我們把這些殖民收購來的文物放在博覽館炫耀展示當然它有它教育的意義我們也可以這樣說但是現在世界的趨勢是要解殖民所以我在這個地方就是特別提出來我希望部長你能夠去了解這件事也請同仁能夠去讓我們知道未來它目前的狀況跟未來因應的一個方向那也作為文化部未來我們在這個全世界各地\n這些博物館內的原住民的 特別是原住民的這些收藏品像我自己也協助在愛丁堡 英國愛丁堡那個遺骨返還那我想文化部未來有沒有這樣的一個政策性的規劃\n剛剛委員講到解職這個概念台灣本身針對早期別人怎麼稱呼是高山族或者高沙族到現在改成原住民其實這些年來我們一直把原住民的文化裡面每一個習俗 舞蹈 歌唱都代表台灣出去一個非常重要的元素這點請委員放心我們都會把它列入是一個非常重要的表演\n大阪的國立民族學博物館我也請部長因為這個活動我完全不知道的所以部長這其實是蠻駭人的一件事情讓人很驚訝那作為文化部我希望部長能夠請我們的同仁能夠去了解也能夠跟辦公室這邊做一個報告我們去了解另外一件事情在三個月前我要特別謝謝文化部文字局\n泰雅族的很重要很重要的這個所謂的聖石他們已經努力了十多年終於成功的通過作為國家級的文資重要文化資產我必須要在這個地方來特別來跟部長文化部說聲謝謝但是真的很辛苦爭取十多年\n那我自己是在2020年的2月進入到立法院我也有接受他們的陳情那當時呢我們有協助就是爭取前瞻再造歷史場域的經費當時有爭取到800多萬可以把這個地方去做一個所謂的文化設施的整理但很可惜就是地方政府沒有作為\n所以最後這筆錢收回那我們要再次的協助地方去爭取也謝謝最後文化部文資局這邊也有提供兩百多萬讓他們可以去做步道等等那我在這邊要提這個問題的原因是說其實我們有一個原住民族重大歷史文化事件紀念空間的補助要點\n那過去呢 園民會 它是提出了原住民重大的歷史文化事件有十大事件 他們也有專書那文化部這邊呢 是空間補助作業要點我想請教一下部長 就是到底做了幾個空間補助局長也可以局長比較具體跟您報告一下那個項目\n這個原住民族的重大歷史事件它的定義都是由原民會它會定義哪些重大歷史事件那我們在這個補助要點裡面它第一個就是這些重大歷史事件它必須有做了幾件了現在目前我們有三個案子已經有所謂重大歷史事件所以做了三個案子物色事件物色事件 那牡丹色事件好 那我其實之前在原民會文化部我都有質詢過\n我們不局限在十大像我之前有提過南番事件也很重要那謝謝也有補助調研的經費但是調研的下一步是什麼 結案啦原民會那邊有補助調研經費 結案啦那能不能夠申請空間補助\n可以啊 只要他有文化資產身份就可以那像那個李洞山事件呢李洞山現在正在做文化資產調查研究是 調研經費也有給了嘛我們都希望做完調研的下一步我們應該要到所謂的空間的補助那我在這個地方特別做這樣的一個提醒因為說實在案件非常的少 速度比較緩慢一點\n那在這裡呢我很重視空間為什麼因為原住民是在跟我們的時間賽跑所以我一直很關心像有很多的東西像我舉個例子石板屋其實石板屋是很美很重要的一個文化資產但是呢老師要取得文資身份很累\n然後呢 如果壞掉了修復 他又沒有所謂的建造死照也很難去申請所謂的一個修復那一般老百姓 我也沒錢啊 他也不願意修復 然後就沒有了\n我想這個不是我們政府的希望所以我常常說這一些不具文字身份的那我們要怎麼樣去改善我們在跟時間賽跑像很多的祖靈屋非常的重要但是也苦於找不到對應的科目可以來申請經費像是我們的這個所謂的國家文化記憶庫以這個彭水光或者是琉璃珠之母江雅蕾這兩位這個是他們的私人博物館\n他們自己在家裡也自己做博物館一邊做他們的工作室一邊做這樣的一個地方私人的博物館但是很辛苦像我常常講他已經要被人家收回了他也不知道他未來的這些展覽要放在哪裡那像彭水光他已經失智了那他的家人也不知道這一些這麼漂亮的木雕到底要何去何從甚至有可能要把他給一一的賣掉\n我想這也不是我們國家要的所以像這種只記憶但是我們卻沒有辦法保存非常的可惜那甚至是像我們很多原住民的巫師我們所謂的靈媒布林奧那他們呢傳承也很困難\n一一的凋零他們也很希望我們能夠使用政府的什麼計畫嗎是師徒制可以給我們嗎他們其實都很辛苦我講這些只是因為我看到我們的夜報上我們有一個新的計畫叫做百大文化基地那我認真看了一下好像喔像有提到地方文化館提到文化展演據點社區營造的地方據點文化路徑等等等\n我不知道他們有沒有資格那請教一下 正美醫案補助的很多嗎這個計畫會維持幾年呢\n好 我跟委員報告一下這個計畫是一個新想出來的一個計畫是它每兩年一次每兩年舉行一次讓各地方的場館博物館 美術館或者您剛才講到原住民的一些社造他們都來申請申請之後我們請學者專家選出100個它的目的就是去凸顯它不同的文化層面所以是每兩年選出100個對 然後預算並不高預算多少\n每一個被選出來的我們給他五十萬分兩年可是我想要做的另外一件事就是試著去用這樣的方式去找到別的部會一起來做謝謝部長 謝謝您我喜歡很感動你這樣的一個表態對 我要講的意思就是這樣很多很多摯愛難行的\n我覺得我們如果覺得他真的重要我們就付諸行動我們來想一個計畫的型態我們來抱怨我們核定之後我們來幫助他們所以在這邊我聽到部長這樣的回應我非常的高興請部長還有我們的局長你們都很努力我們繼續一起努力一起加油謝謝主席是我們會努力好那也希望就是一個月內能夠把這樣的一個態度也能夠用一個書面回應給我好謝謝\n好 謝謝吳麗華委員 部長請回接下來我們請吳思雅委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.830\n有請部長我們今年有一個國際矚目的大活動4月13號即將登場\n\n00:17.816 --> 00:43.679\n就是在日本大阪舉辦的世界博覽會那我也特別在新聞中看到上個月交通部林佳龍部長和外交部林部長跟您也有一個會議就是你們特別提到這個世界博覽會即將到來你們要聯手要來延伸去年巴黎文化奧運的成功經驗\n\n00:45.060 --> 01:10.127\n那文化部這邊這次會做哪些事情這個活動從4月開始已經由經濟部開始為主導我們大概在8月我們是8月那個你們8月要進場對然後會一個比較長的時間在不同地點表演部長我跟您說我其實也很關心我去年有找來國貿署\n\n01:12.068 --> 01:31.381\n以及要來承攬這個的中華冒險我曾經兩度請他們到辦公室來因為我很關心展出的內容有沒有邀請我們原住民的這些藝文團體又或者說展覽的內容有沒有有關我們台灣原住民族的文化\n\n01:32.262 --> 01:46.214\n但是在預算會期的時候我看到更憂心的是竟然被刪了5.9億的旅費業務費等等等甚至是沒宣費用5900萬也被刪除\n\n01:49.957 --> 02:18.637\n那我今天是來文化部這邊我就是特別想要來關心我們文化部我相信很多的部會可以一同的在這樣的一個世界博覽會舞台上來共同的努力展現我們台灣多元的文化所以我在這邊就是特別希望我們部長您要關心像例如有一個議題我在去年有接到一個陳情這個陳情人呢他其實是日本人\n\n02:19.577 --> 02:41.520\n他說他到他們大阪這個國立的原住民族博物館過去長期以來都有展出我們台灣各個族群的物件但是他感到很驚訝因為有一個展覽叫做中國地域之文化的展覽\n\n02:42.501 --> 03:06.115\n也就是中國的版圖的意思他看到這個展區有把我們原住民族寫成高山族把它納入中國的版圖來展覽甚至原來一模一樣台灣展的物件被拿去移植也來做他們中國的展示廳的展品\n\n03:06.815 --> 03:10.677\n那這個部分他之所以驚訝是說他不太理解從台灣來的參與者呢好像沒有做什麼抗議導致他們的管方也沒有辦法理解這種一中五入台灣的嚴重性那我不曉得說部長您知不知道這個事情那這一次剛好我們的世界博覽會又要在大阪\n\n03:29.125 --> 03:36.985\n那我相信很多來自全世界各地的遊客也都會來這個博物館參觀部長你有沒有有一些了解\n\n03:38.524 --> 04:00.823\n這件事情我並不知道但是我知道中國本身在各個地方都把台灣試著納入它的一部分這個是它本身不斷地在做的事情但是站在我們的立場我非常努力地從去年巴黎文化奧運到現在我們在每一次的任何展出都要強調我們是來自台灣即使在\n\n04:01.784 --> 04:30.624\n官方網站上不准出現台灣我們都非常努力的用各種方式出現那中國用這個方式其實他們到處在用這個方式包括我們申請這個世界遺址他們也很快把我們蓋過去像這個事情到處都發生那部長我之所以會提是因為4月13號就在大阪冷場那正在我們的大阪這個國立民族學的博物館呢\n\n04:31.585 --> 04:46.197\n有這樣的一個站出然後陳情的人他說我們台灣沒有表示什麼立場那照理說全世界博物館都在解殖民啊那我們其實是不贊同\n\n04:46.937 --> 05:05.020\n我們把這些殖民收購來的文物放在博覽館炫耀展示當然它有它教育的意義我們也可以這樣說但是現在世界的趨勢是要解殖民所以我在這個地方就是特別提出來我希望部長你能夠去了解這件事也請同仁能夠去讓我們知道未來它目前的狀況跟未來因應的一個方向那也作為文化部未來我們在這個全世界各地\n\n05:16.722 --> 05:31.719\n這些博物館內的原住民的特別是原住民的這些收藏品像我自己也協助在愛丁堡英國愛丁堡那個遺骨返還那我想文化部未來有沒有這樣的一個政策性的規劃\n\n05:34.285 --> 05:59.907\n剛剛委員講到解職這個概念台灣本身針對早期別人怎麼稱呼是高山族或者高沙族到現在改成原住民其實這些年來我們一直把原住民的文化裡面每一個習俗舞蹈歌唱都代表台灣出去一個非常重要的元素這點請委員放心我們都會把它列入是一個非常重要的表演\n\n06:00.708 --> 06:05.010\n大阪的國立民族學博物館我也請部長因為這個活動我完全不知道的所以部長這其實是蠻駭人的一件事情讓人很驚訝那作為文化部我希望部長能夠請我們的同仁能夠去了解也能夠跟辦公室這邊做一個報告我們去了解另外一件事情在三個月前我要特別謝謝文化部文字局\n\n06:27.440 --> 06:48.234\n泰雅族的很重要很重要的這個所謂的聖石他們已經努力了十多年終於成功的通過作為國家級的文資重要文化資產我必須要在這個地方來特別來跟部長文化部說聲謝謝但是真的很辛苦爭取十多年\n\n06:48.954 --> 07:10.321\n那我自己是在2020年的2月進入到立法院我也有接受他們的陳情那當時呢我們有協助就是爭取前瞻再造歷史場域的經費當時有爭取到800多萬可以把這個地方去做一個所謂的文化設施的整理但很可惜就是地方政府沒有作為\n\n07:11.201 --> 07:31.593\n所以最後這筆錢收回那我們要再次的協助地方去爭取也謝謝最後文化部文資局這邊也有提供兩百多萬讓他們可以去做步道等等那我在這邊要提這個問題的原因是說其實我們有一個原住民族重大歷史文化事件紀念空間的補助要點\n\n07:34.275 --> 07:52.851\n那過去呢園民會它是提出了原住民重大的歷史文化事件有十大事件他們也有專書那文化部這邊呢是空間補助作業要點我想請教一下部長就是到底做了幾個空間補助局長也可以局長比較具體跟您報告一下那個項目\n\n08:01.995 --> 08:26.417\n這個原住民族的重大歷史事件它的定義都是由原民會它會定義哪些重大歷史事件那我們在這個補助要點裡面它第一個就是這些重大歷史事件它必須有做了幾件了現在目前我們有三個案子已經有所謂重大歷史事件所以做了三個案子物色事件物色事件那牡丹色事件好那我其實之前在原民會文化部我都有質詢過\n\n08:28.198 --> 08:47.110\n我們不局限在十大像我之前有提過南番事件也很重要那謝謝也有補助調研的經費但是調研的下一步是什麼結案啦原民會那邊有補助調研經費結案啦那能不能夠申請空間補助\n\n08:49.636 --> 09:13.172\n可以啊只要他有文化資產身份就可以那像那個李洞山事件呢李洞山現在正在做文化資產調查研究是調研經費也有給了嘛我們都希望做完調研的下一步我們應該要到所謂的空間的補助那我在這個地方特別做這樣的一個提醒因為說實在案件非常的少速度比較緩慢一點\n\n09:14.733 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：好，部長，我之所以會提是因為世界博覽會4月13日就要在大阪登場，而大阪國立民族學博物館又有這樣的展出，然後陳情人說我們臺灣沒有表示什麼立場，照理說，全世界所有的博物館都在解殖民，其實我們並不贊同把這些蒐購來的殖民文物放在博覽館裡炫耀和展示。當然，我們也可以說它有它的教育意義，但是現在世界的趨勢是要解殖民，所以我在這個地方要特別的提出來，我希望部長能夠去瞭解這件事情，也要請同仁讓我們知道它目前的狀況和未來的因應方向，也做為文化部未來在全世界各地的博物館，特別是原住民的這些收藏品，像我自己也有協助英國愛丁堡返還遺骨。我想，文化部未來有沒有這樣的政策性規劃？"],["李部長遠：剛剛委員講到「解殖」這個概念，臺灣針對早期別人是怎麼稱呼「高山族」或是「高砂族」，到現在改成「原住民」，其實這些年來，我們一直把原住民文化裡面的每一個習俗、舞蹈、歌曲都拿來代表臺灣，這是我們出去時非常重要的一個元素，這點請委員放心，我們會把它列入非常重要的表演。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：大阪國立民族學博物館也請部長……"],["李部長遠：因為這個活動我完全不知道。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：對，所以啊！部長，其實這是滿駭人的一件事情，讓人很驚訝，做為文化部，我希望部長要請同仁去瞭解，也能夠跟我的辦公室做一個報告。"],["李部長遠：是，好，我們去瞭解。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：OK！另外一件事情，我要特別的謝謝文化部文資局，3個月前，泰雅族很重要的聖石「Sbayan」終於成功通過做為國家級的重要文化資產，他們已經努力了十多年，我必須要在這個地方特別跟部長和文化部說聲：「謝謝！」，但是真的很辛苦，爭取了十多年。我自己是2020年2月進入立法院的，我也有接受他們的陳情，當時我們有協助爭取前瞻再造歷史場域的經費，當時有爭取到八百多萬元來把這個地方做為文化設施的整理，但是很可惜，地方政府沒有作為，所以最後這筆錢被收回，我們又再次的協助地方爭取，也謝謝最後文化部文資局提供二百多萬元，讓他們可以去做步道等等。我在這邊提出這個問題的原因是，其實我們有一個原住民族重大歷史文化事件紀念空間補助要點，過去原民會有提出十大原住民族重大歷史事件，他們也有專書。文化部這邊是空間補助作業要點，我想請教一下部長，就是你們到底做了幾個空間補助？局長回答也可以。"],["李部長遠：請局長具體跟你報告一下那個項目。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝。來。"],["陳局長濟民：原住民族重大歷史事件是由原民會來定義哪些是重大歷史事件，在我們這個補助要點裡面，第一個，這些重大歷史事件必須……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：做了幾件？"],["陳局長濟民：目前重大歷史事件有3個案子，包括……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以做了3個案子？"],["陳局長濟民：有霧社事件、南庄事件和牡丹社事件。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，其實之前我在原民會和文化部都有質詢過，我們不應該拘限在十大，像我之前提過的南蕃事件也很重要，謝謝你們有補助調研的經費，但是調研的下一步是什麼？結案啦！原民會那邊有補助調研的經費，也結案了，那能不能夠申請空間補助？"],["陳局長濟民：可以啊！只要它有文化資產身份就可以。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，那像李崠山事件呢？"],["陳局長濟民：李崠山事件現在正在做文化資產的調查研究。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是，調研經費也有給了嘛！"],["陳局長濟民：對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，我們希望做完調研的下一步應該是要到所謂的「空間補助」，我在這個地方要特別的做這樣一個提醒，因為說實在的，這樣的案件非常少，速度也比較緩慢一點。我在這裡很重視空間，為什麼？因為原住民是在跟時間賽跑，所以我一直很關心，像有很多的東西，我舉個例子：石板屋，其實石板屋是很美、很重要的文物資產，但是老是要取得文資身份很累，如果壞掉了、修復了，它又沒有所謂的「建照、使照」，也很難申請所謂的「修復」，一般老百姓又沒錢，他也不願意修復，然後就沒有了。我想這不是政府希望的，所以我常常說，這些不具文資身份的我們要怎麼樣去改善？我們在跟時間賽跑，像很多的祖靈屋，那些都非常的重要，但是也苦於找不到對應的科目可以來申請經費。像是所謂的「國家文化記憶庫」，以彭水光或者是琉璃珠之母──江雅蕾這2位，這個是他們的私人博物館，他們在自己的家裡做博物館，一邊做他們的工作室，一邊做地方的私人博物館，但是很辛苦，像我常常講，已經要被人家收回了，他也不知道未來這些展覽品要放在哪裡。像彭水光已經失智了，他的家人也不知道這些漂亮的木雕要何去何從？甚至有可能要把它一一的賣掉，我想這也不是我們國家要的，所以像這種只記憶，但是我們卻沒有辦法保存的，非常可惜。甚至像我們原住民有很多的巫師，也就是所謂的「靈媒」，他們要傳承也很困難，一一的凋零，他們也很希望能夠使用政府的什麼計畫？是師徒制可以給我們嗎？其實他們都很辛苦。","我講這些只是因為我看到我們的業報上有一個叫做「百大文化基地」的新計畫，我認真的看了一下，它好像有提到地方文化館、文化展演據點、社區營造的地方據點、文化路徑等等等，我不知道他們有沒有資格？請教一下，這每一案都補助很多嗎？這個計畫會維持幾年呢？"],["李部長遠：我跟委員報告一下，這個計畫是新想出來的計畫，每2年舉行一次，要讓各地方的場館、博物館、美術館，或是你剛才講到的原住民的一些舍造，他們都有來申請，申請之後，我們會請專家學者選出100個。它的目的就是要去突顯它不同的文化層面。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，所以是每2年選出100案。"],["李部長遠：對，但預算並不高。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：預算多少？"],["李部長遠：每一個被選出來的案子我們會給它50萬元，分2年。可是我想要做的另外一件事就是，試著用這樣的方式去找別的部會一起來做。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：部長，謝謝您！我喜歡、也很感動你有這樣的表態，對，我要講的意思就是這樣，很多、很多窒礙難行的，如果我們真的覺得它很重要，那我們就要付諸行動來想一個計畫型態報院，等核定之後，我們來幫助他們，所以我在這邊聽到部長這樣的回應，我非常高興，請部長和局長，因為你們都很努力，我們繼續一起努力、一起加油，謝謝主席。"],["李部長遠：是，我們會努力。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：也希望在1個月內能夠把這樣的態度用一個書面回應給我。好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員。部長請回。","接下來請吳思瑤委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":144,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-4","speakers":["林宜瑾","柯志恩","萬美玲","林沛祥","劉書彬","葛如鈞","林月琴","陳秀寳","張雅琳","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","羅廷瑋","范雲","王鴻薇","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳思瑤","高金素梅","李坤城","蔡易餘","葉元之","林倩綺","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜"],"page_start":75,"meetingDate":["2025-03-27"],"gazette_id":"1143201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143201_00002"}}}