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00:01:37,613\n因為幼兒班這是屬於教育部這個部0到2歲的專班我想這個部分我們目前包括教育部的一個努力衛福部我們現在說的0到2歲相關的一些補貼對不起我統整在一起講當然我知道有一些是全責在教育部我統整在一起講但是我要跟大家講的是說我們最近\n\n6\n00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:59,221\n我要問跟你請教一個問題是我們嬰幼兒福利聯合會最近有一個在台中有目前發起的這個罷工你有掌握這個狀況嗎我瞭解對不對你瞭解嗎我瞭解那我要講到就是剛我要講補助啦那現階段的比照其他的六都這當時他們的訴求\n\n7\n00:02:00,621 --> 00:02:14,965\n比照其他的六都增加了家長的補助比照其他的六都給予托育人員的九任獎金我要講的是這是台中的責任我沒有說這是衛福部的責任但衛福部能不能更加督促台中市來努力呢\n\n8\n00:02:16,226 --> 00:02:38,835\n你知道他有罷工嗎我知道啦我知道他有這個訴求啦我也知道就是說蔣時中理事長他們現在也都是我想跟委員長期來都非常關心嘛對那我跟委員報告就是說其實那時候當社會局長的時候我本來就是要提這一個林佳龍市長前市長他也非常非常支持是那後來就是我想這個部分我想這一棒接一棒嘛\n\n9\n00:02:39,195 --> 00:03:06,413\n那這個部分如果說盧市長他也願意來強化這個我們非常非常樂見啊而且另外我也必須要說一下現在目前大院的財政收支劃分現在目前已經通過了我想這個其實地方財源這個除了中央有的部分之外我想地方也基本上可以繼續加碼你的論述我可以接受就是你說的財源下放了那市權也應該由地方來承擔啊我覺得這都是論述沒有關係我們沒有對錯我們探討\n\n10\n00:03:09,615 --> 00:03:36,729\n你覺得事權很重要我也認同可以事權那既然錢下放了地方也有責任沒錯這個可以認同嗎那你要督促你要在溝通你要捍衛嘛包委我簡單說明一下譬如說像那個我上禮拜前天來當主持社會安全網社會安全網新北就提出一個加班費的部分能不能提高我說fine當然沒問題只要地方政府願意就是說我們中央會補你的基本薪資嘛那如果說你願意再補\n\n11\n00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:59,654\n這個就新北南約在補我們樂觀其成但是我們會有一個整個法源我們會有一個依據給地方政府那你覺得育兒津貼要再加碼嗎還是你就覺得應該事權之後由地方政府自己去統籌包委我現在就是說這個當然這是少子女化問題我覺得這個應該是大家共同來努力一起來承擔當然少子女化的問題我剛剛也說過現在目前這是一個多元的問題那津貼只是\n\n12\n00:04:05,175 --> 00:04:16,298\n那當然就是說如果大家有共識這個我覺得這個中央地方我們大家一起來努力嘛好那再來我想問一下衛福部現在的數據台灣早療的個案通報2017年23535人到現在2024年3萬多39000那早療聯合評估要排隊啊那進入到療癒的服務還要再等有沒有方式讓這個醫療機構能夠增加量呢\n\n13\n00:04:30,541 --> 00:04:41,633\n包委員我簡單兩個部分第一個現在目前就是我們的聯平中心我們從113到114我們現在目前已經加速已經增加然後我們的時間也已經縮短詳細的數據我請國建署跟委員報告來請\n\n14\n00:04:47,718 --> 00:05:15,052\n報告委員那就是我們聯合評估中心的家數從113年的這個85家已經提升到114年的88家那其中這個重點中心也就是說我們在這個能夠在這個門診的這個服務量能夠再進一步提升的這個重點中心我們是從113年的10家也調整到114年的17家所以我們在整個聯合評估的這個服務量是可以有增加的那有關於時效的數據我們也看到就是說\n\n15\n00:05:15,832 --> 00:05:31,900\n這些數據會後再提供給我我相信每年都有進步啦但是我要講的是說需求一直在增加那我們要怎麼樣去因應未來的一個需求這個部分還要再多加一點力道那再來就是我想今天喔趙偉這個這個題目真的是非常的廣那當然有勞動部\n\n16\n00:05:33,161 --> 00:05:56,931\n我覺得教育部也應該要在在場因為教育部也責無旁貸大家一起來努力教育部在這邊教育部有喔是剛剛沒有叫到你上來對我剛剛就在對剛剛上一場正旭委員在的時候您有在場上不好意思那所以我要談到的是不管是0到2歲專班以及相關的補貼我們綜合性的來談喔應該都要一起來努力啦沒錯沒錯好那這個部分我要再另外請那個勞動部\n\n17\n00:06:03,444 --> 00:06:28,594\n我想請問一下勞動部現在正在研議修正的就業保險法就領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪的一個津貼雙薪那再增加一個月的薪資津貼我真的看不懂這是什麼意思我想跟請問一下育嬰留停6個月領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼可以再繼續留停一個月同時多領一個月的津貼嗎這是AB是\n\n18\n00:06:29,054 --> 00:06:50,048\n育嬰留停六個月領七個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼這是B請問AB到底是哪一個我們現在的方向就是說希望修改修改就業保險法讓新手爸媽領滿育嬰留停六個月者新手爸媽兩個人都可以來申請再多領一個月\n\n19\n00:06:51,089 --> 00:07:07,885\n我想勞動部的用意是鼓勵大家領滿那為什麼不多給一點更減輕大家的負擔委員說明我們先前有回應過就是說因為劉子廷今天的政策目標20年前立法的時候就希望幫助這些新有爸媽不要因為育嬰而要照顧育嬰而離開職場\n\n20\n00:07:09,406 --> 00:07:32,277\n所以它是暫時留職停薪所以我們這個暫時離開的期間我們給他一定的那個津貼經濟制但是我們還是希望政治目的希望他回來職場那我前面也講過我們根據2016到2023我們的持續6年多的這個大數據最終分析發現其實那個申請這些新手爸媽他其實運營留停他大概有82%回歸職場\n\n21\n00:07:34,918 --> 00:07:53,798\n有18%多一點他是離開職場那這個不是我們的本意啦可是我們因為也知道一些先有幫他希望要那個禮滿六個月後多領一點所以我們就在平衡讓他多領一個月但是不要一下子增加太多我們現在從一個月多領來試試看先看看情況\n\n22\n00:07:55,475 --> 00:08:23,752\n好那我想根據勞動部自己的一個調查113年雇用管理的工作場所就業平等概念有超過一成五的事業單位不同意員工申請育嬰留職停薪高於生理假產假留產假安胎假產檢假賠產假也就是說相較於生理假安胎假育嬰留職停薪就很難請對這些不就看得到拿不到嗎所以應該要直接提高層數吧比如零九成十個月而不是玩文字遊戲你覺得呢\n\n23\n00:08:24,292 --> 00:08:48,365\n各位說明這個比例其實就我們的理解我們的性別評定公務法16條就規定僱主是不得拒絕的如果拒絕的話勞工可以申訴那我們地方勞工局就可以依法來裁處當然我都知道這些都是法律的手段而且就我們了解以長時間來看這個僱主這個掉了1成5的比例如果長時間來看這個比例是比過去幾年要明顯要下降了\n\n24\n00:08:49,520 --> 00:09:18,080\n我們還是希望因為目前還是有遇到這些個案的問題加強宣導我當然都知道法律都訂得很完善可是問題是第一失誤我們失誤上的確有遇到這樣子的困難那我們要怎麼去幫助他們我想再請問就業保險法第十一條第一項第四款規定留職停薪津貼必須年滿這個一年以上子女滿三歲以前那就業保險法就十九之二第一項來說另外\n\n25\n00:09:19,252 --> 00:09:42,037\n只能夠領6個月平均月頭保薪資60%計算但是政府有另外以公務預算編列方式額外補助兩成的津貼所以等於有八成那現在基本工資是28,590元就以29,000來算就好一個月月薪29K的年輕人若申請育嬰留職停薪的津貼可以領多少次長\n\n26\n00:09:44,020 --> 00:10:06,000\n我們的就業保險的平均投保薪金上個月最新數字是37500多所以是比最低工資28590要明顯要高我想我們用29K來計算的話那基本上60%是多少一個月才領17000那29K的80%是多少如果用平均投保薪金37500來算的六成的話是不止\n\n27\n00:10:06,926 --> 00:10:32,743\n當然你是用平均啦那也要確保每一個人都有平均在那個部分那我想自己的生活費不算房租不算家裡開銷不算單就照顧小孩子23220元怎麼樣政府的基金貼是不是補助太少請問這個部分救保基金現在有多少錢1780多億如果用公務預算編列的額外兩成如果就救保基金來增加這個支出會增加多少錢\n\n28\n00:10:34,417 --> 00:10:58,872\n我們問的是增加哪個部分是說剛剛說有八成嘛80%嘛那少了20%嘛那20%如果用救保基金來支出會增加多少錢你們有沒有去算過大概35億左右我想救保基金如果有能力的話為什麼不能從這邊保出那我想這個部分是不是能夠過去是不是有要將這個救保1%的投保費率調降\n\n29\n00:11:00,523 --> 00:11:25,382\n各位所以如果要調升費率這是大事啦因為這個是雇主負擔七成勞工負擔兩成政府補貼一成所以雇主團體勞工團體的意見我們都要很廣泛很慎重的去了解當然這個我都知道這不是一時之間可以處理的但是剛剛我說少子女化的一個衝擊這也是長期一直在探討的一個問題所以今天大家站在這邊召委排了這個案子我想今天大家都在就是希望能夠\n\n30\n00:11:26,643 --> 00:11:38,454\n形成一個少子女化的一個團隊大家一起去想辦法處理這件事情當然不只是所有的勞工的問題資方也有可能有他的一些困難我們大家都要就這個部分一起來做探討一起來努力好嗎謝謝謝謝委員謝謝羅委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4915\t8376\t好謝謝召委我們有請衛福部次長\n17986\t46793\t市長好市長我想這個113年工業及服務業薪資統計薪資的中位數37274元等於全台超過一半的勞工月薪不到4萬元那我想請問各位長官我們要怎麼樣生得起養的那基本上剛剛有委員提到這個臨時托育要增加台中現在目前只有6個當然台中則無旁貸不能說都是中央的問題但是中央能不能給予更多的一些資源或者是督促這個我們要拜託中央\n47953\t60759\t第二0到2歲的專班我們也看到了行政院院長說要增加200班全台灣嗎以行政院來說他如果說是台中市200班那我覺得還蠻欣慰的但是以全台灣200班對不起\n62349\t77039\t入不敷出根本不夠不要騙大家200班根本不夠那另外我想請問的話這個部分我們是不是能夠再加強對應0到2歲專班的一個提升那這個也要有請市長能夠多關注\n77819\t97613\t因為幼兒班這是屬於教育部這個部0到2歲的專班我想這個部分我們目前包括教育部的一個努力衛福部我們現在說的0到2歲相關的一些補貼對不起我統整在一起講當然我知道有一些是全責在教育部我統整在一起講但是我要跟大家講的是說我們最近\n100475\t119221\t我要問跟你請教一個問題是我們嬰幼兒福利聯合會最近有一個在台中有目前發起的這個罷工你有掌握這個狀況嗎我瞭解對不對你瞭解嗎我瞭解那我要講到就是剛我要講補助啦那現階段的比照其他的六都這當時他們的訴求\n120621\t134965\t比照其他的六都增加了家長的補助比照其他的六都給予托育人員的九任獎金我要講的是這是台中的責任我沒有說這是衛福部的責任但衛福部能不能更加督促台中市來努力呢\n136226\t158835\t你知道他有罷工嗎我知道啦我知道他有這個訴求啦我也知道就是說蔣時中理事長他們現在也都是我想跟委員長期來都非常關心嘛對那我跟委員報告就是說其實那時候當社會局長的時候我本來就是要提這一個林佳龍市長前市長他也非常非常支持是那後來就是我想這個部分我想這一棒接一棒嘛\n159195\t186413\t那這個部分如果說盧市長他也願意來強化這個我們非常非常樂見啊而且另外我也必須要說一下現在目前大院的財政收支劃分現在目前已經通過了我想這個其實地方財源這個除了中央有的部分之外我想地方也基本上可以繼續加碼你的論述我可以接受就是你說的財源下放了那市權也應該由地方來承擔啊我覺得這都是論述沒有關係我們沒有對錯我們探討\n189615\t216729\t你覺得事權很重要我也認同可以事權那既然錢下放了地方也有責任沒錯這個可以認同嗎那你要督促你要在溝通你要捍衛嘛包委我簡單說明一下譬如說像那個我上禮拜前天來當主持社會安全網社會安全網新北就提出一個加班費的部分能不能提高我說fine當然沒問題只要地方政府願意就是說我們中央會補你的基本薪資嘛那如果說你願意再補\n218770\t239654\t這個就新北南約在補我們樂觀其成但是我們會有一個整個法源我們會有一個依據給地方政府那你覺得育兒津貼要再加碼嗎還是你就覺得應該事權之後由地方政府自己去統籌包委我現在就是說這個當然這是少子女化問題我覺得這個應該是大家共同來努力一起來承擔當然少子女化的問題我剛剛也說過現在目前這是一個多元的問題那津貼只是\n245175\t256298\t那當然就是說如果大家有共識這個我覺得這個中央地方我們大家一起來努力嘛好那再來我想問一下衛福部現在的數據台灣早療的個案通報2017年23535人到現在2024年3萬多39000那早療聯合評估要排隊啊那進入到療癒的服務還要再等有沒有方式讓這個醫療機構能夠增加量呢\n270541\t281633\t包委員我簡單兩個部分第一個現在目前就是我們的聯平中心我們從113到114我們現在目前已經加速已經增加然後我們的時間也已經縮短詳細的數據我請國建署跟委員報告來請\n287718\t315052\t報告委員那就是我們聯合評估中心的家數從113年的這個85家已經提升到114年的88家那其中這個重點中心也就是說我們在這個能夠在這個門診的這個服務量能夠再進一步提升的這個重點中心我們是從113年的10家也調整到114年的17家所以我們在整個聯合評估的這個服務量是可以有增加的那有關於時效的數據我們也看到就是說\n315832\t331900\t這些數據會後再提供給我我相信每年都有進步啦但是我要講的是說需求一直在增加那我們要怎麼樣去因應未來的一個需求這個部分還要再多加一點力道那再來就是我想今天喔 趙偉這個這個題目真的是非常的廣那當然有勞動部\n333161\t356931\t我覺得教育部也應該要在在場因為教育部也責無旁貸大家一起來努力教育部在這邊教育部有喔是剛剛沒有叫到你上來對我剛剛就在對剛剛上一場正旭委員在的時候您有在場上不好意思那所以我要談到的是不管是0到2歲專班以及相關的補貼我們綜合性的來談喔應該都要一起來努力啦沒錯沒錯好那這個部分我要再另外請那個勞動部\n363444\t388594\t我想請問一下勞動部現在正在研議修正的就業保險法就領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪的一個津貼雙薪那再增加一個月的薪資津貼我真的看不懂這是什麼意思我想跟請問一下育嬰留停6個月領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼可以再繼續留停一個月同時多領一個月的津貼嗎這是A B是\n389054\t410048\t育嬰留停六個月領七個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼這是B 請問A B到底是哪一個我們現在的方向就是說希望修改修改就業保險法讓新手爸媽領滿育嬰留停六個月者新手爸媽兩個人都可以來申請再多領一個月\n411089\t427885\t我想勞動部的用意是鼓勵大家領滿那為什麼不多給一點更減輕大家的負擔委員說明我們先前有回應過就是說因為劉子廷今天的政策目標20年前立法的時候就希望幫助這些新有爸媽不要因為育嬰而要照顧育嬰而離開職場\n429406\t452277\t所以它是暫時留職停薪所以我們這個暫時離開的期間我們給他一定的那個津貼經濟制但是我們還是希望政治目的希望他回來職場那我前面也講過我們根據2016到2023我們的持續6年多的這個大數據最終分析發現其實那個申請這些新手爸媽他其實運營留停他大概有82%回歸職場\n454918\t473798\t有18%多一點他是離開職場那這個不是我們的本意啦可是我們因為也知道一些先有幫他希望要那個禮滿六個月後多領一點所以我們就在平衡讓他多領一個月但是不要一下子增加太多我們現在從一個月多領來試試看先看看情況\n475475\t503752\t好 那我想根據勞動部自己的一個調查113年雇用管理的工作場所就業平等概念有超過一成五的事業單位不同意員工申請育嬰留職停薪高於生理假產假留產假安胎假產檢假賠產假也就是說相較於生理假安胎假育嬰留職停薪就很難請對這些不就看得到拿不到嗎所以應該要直接提高層數吧比如零九成十個月而不是玩文字遊戲你覺得呢\n504292\t528365\t各位說明這個比例其實就我們的理解我們的性別評定公務法16條就規定僱主是不得拒絕的如果拒絕的話勞工可以申訴那我們地方勞工局就可以依法來裁處當然我都知道這些都是法律的手段而且就我們了解以長時間來看這個僱主這個掉了1成5的比例如果長時間來看這個比例是比過去幾年要明顯要下降了\n529520\t558080\t我們還是希望因為目前還是有遇到這些個案的問題加強宣導我當然都知道法律都訂得很完善可是問題是第一失誤我們失誤上的確有遇到這樣子的困難那我們要怎麼去幫助他們我想再請問就業保險法第十一條第一項第四款規定留職停薪津貼必須年滿這個一年以上子女滿三歲以前那就業保險法就十九之二第一項來說另外\n559252\t582037\t只能夠領6個月平均月頭保薪資60%計算但是政府有另外以公務預算編列方式額外補助兩成的津貼所以等於有八成那現在基本工資是28,590元就以29,000來算就好一個月月薪29K的年輕人若申請育嬰留職停薪的津貼可以領多少 次長\n584020\t606000\t我們的就業保險的平均投保薪金上個月最新數字是37500多所以是比最低工資28590要明顯要高我想我們用29K來計算的話那基本上60%是多少一個月才領17000那29K的80%是多少如果用平均投保薪金37500來算的六成的話是不止\n606926\t632743\t當然你是用平均啦那也要確保每一個人都有平均在那個部分那我想自己的生活費不算房租不算家裡開銷不算單就照顧小孩子23220元怎麼樣政府的基金貼是不是補助太少請問這個部分救保基金現在有多少錢1780多億如果用公務預算編列的額外兩成如果就救保基金來增加這個支出會增加多少錢\n634417\t658872\t我們問的是增加哪個部分是說剛剛說有八成嘛80%嘛那少了20%嘛那20%如果用救保基金來支出會增加多少錢你們有沒有去算過大概35億左右我想救保基金如果有能力的話為什麼不能從這邊保出那我想這個部分是不是能夠過去是不是有要將這個救保1%的投保費率調降\n660523\t685382\t各位所以如果要調升費率這是大事啦因為這個是雇主負擔七成勞工負擔兩成政府補貼一成所以雇主團體勞工團體的意見我們都要很廣泛很慎重的去了解當然這個我都知道這不是一時之間可以處理的但是剛剛我說少子女化的一個衝擊這也是長期一直在探討的一個問題所以今天大家站在這邊召委排了這個案子我想今天大家都在就是希望能夠\n686643\t698454\t形成一個少子女化的一個團隊大家一起去想辦法處理這件事情當然不只是所有的勞工的問題資方也有可能有他的一些困難我們大家都要就這個部分一起來做探討一起來努力 好嗎謝謝謝謝委員謝謝羅委員\n","txt":"好謝謝召委我們有請衛福部次長\n市長好市長我想這個113年工業及服務業薪資統計薪資的中位數37274元等於全台超過一半的勞工月薪不到4萬元那我想請問各位長官我們要怎麼樣生得起養的那基本上剛剛有委員提到這個臨時托育要增加台中現在目前只有6個當然台中則無旁貸不能說都是中央的問題但是中央能不能給予更多的一些資源或者是督促這個我們要拜託中央\n第二0到2歲的專班我們也看到了行政院院長說要增加200班全台灣嗎以行政院來說他如果說是台中市200班那我覺得還蠻欣慰的但是以全台灣200班對不起\n入不敷出根本不夠不要騙大家200班根本不夠那另外我想請問的話這個部分我們是不是能夠再加強對應0到2歲專班的一個提升那這個也要有請市長能夠多關注\n因為幼兒班這是屬於教育部這個部0到2歲的專班我想這個部分我們目前包括教育部的一個努力衛福部我們現在說的0到2歲相關的一些補貼對不起我統整在一起講當然我知道有一些是全責在教育部我統整在一起講但是我要跟大家講的是說我們最近\n我要問跟你請教一個問題是我們嬰幼兒福利聯合會最近有一個在台中有目前發起的這個罷工你有掌握這個狀況嗎我瞭解對不對你瞭解嗎我瞭解那我要講到就是剛我要講補助啦那現階段的比照其他的六都這當時他們的訴求\n比照其他的六都增加了家長的補助比照其他的六都給予托育人員的九任獎金我要講的是這是台中的責任我沒有說這是衛福部的責任但衛福部能不能更加督促台中市來努力呢\n你知道他有罷工嗎我知道啦我知道他有這個訴求啦我也知道就是說蔣時中理事長他們現在也都是我想跟委員長期來都非常關心嘛對那我跟委員報告就是說其實那時候當社會局長的時候我本來就是要提這一個林佳龍市長前市長他也非常非常支持是那後來就是我想這個部分我想這一棒接一棒嘛\n那這個部分如果說盧市長他也願意來強化這個我們非常非常樂見啊而且另外我也必須要說一下現在目前大院的財政收支劃分現在目前已經通過了我想這個其實地方財源這個除了中央有的部分之外我想地方也基本上可以繼續加碼你的論述我可以接受就是你說的財源下放了那市權也應該由地方來承擔啊我覺得這都是論述沒有關係我們沒有對錯我們探討\n你覺得事權很重要我也認同可以事權那既然錢下放了地方也有責任沒錯這個可以認同嗎那你要督促你要在溝通你要捍衛嘛包委我簡單說明一下譬如說像那個我上禮拜前天來當主持社會安全網社會安全網新北就提出一個加班費的部分能不能提高我說fine當然沒問題只要地方政府願意就是說我們中央會補你的基本薪資嘛那如果說你願意再補\n這個就新北南約在補我們樂觀其成但是我們會有一個整個法源我們會有一個依據給地方政府那你覺得育兒津貼要再加碼嗎還是你就覺得應該事權之後由地方政府自己去統籌包委我現在就是說這個當然這是少子女化問題我覺得這個應該是大家共同來努力一起來承擔當然少子女化的問題我剛剛也說過現在目前這是一個多元的問題那津貼只是\n那當然就是說如果大家有共識這個我覺得這個中央地方我們大家一起來努力嘛好那再來我想問一下衛福部現在的數據台灣早療的個案通報2017年23535人到現在2024年3萬多39000那早療聯合評估要排隊啊那進入到療癒的服務還要再等有沒有方式讓這個醫療機構能夠增加量呢\n包委員我簡單兩個部分第一個現在目前就是我們的聯平中心我們從113到114我們現在目前已經加速已經增加然後我們的時間也已經縮短詳細的數據我請國建署跟委員報告來請\n報告委員那就是我們聯合評估中心的家數從113年的這個85家已經提升到114年的88家那其中這個重點中心也就是說我們在這個能夠在這個門診的這個服務量能夠再進一步提升的這個重點中心我們是從113年的10家也調整到114年的17家所以我們在整個聯合評估的這個服務量是可以有增加的那有關於時效的數據我們也看到就是說\n這些數據會後再提供給我我相信每年都有進步啦但是我要講的是說需求一直在增加那我們要怎麼樣去因應未來的一個需求這個部分還要再多加一點力道那再來就是我想今天喔 趙偉這個這個題目真的是非常的廣那當然有勞動部\n我覺得教育部也應該要在在場因為教育部也責無旁貸大家一起來努力教育部在這邊教育部有喔是剛剛沒有叫到你上來對我剛剛就在對剛剛上一場正旭委員在的時候您有在場上不好意思那所以我要談到的是不管是0到2歲專班以及相關的補貼我們綜合性的來談喔應該都要一起來努力啦沒錯沒錯好那這個部分我要再另外請那個勞動部\n我想請問一下勞動部現在正在研議修正的就業保險法就領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪的一個津貼雙薪那再增加一個月的薪資津貼我真的看不懂這是什麼意思我想跟請問一下育嬰留停6個月領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼可以再繼續留停一個月同時多領一個月的津貼嗎這是A B是\n育嬰留停六個月領七個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼這是B 請問A B到底是哪一個我們現在的方向就是說希望修改修改就業保險法讓新手爸媽領滿育嬰留停六個月者新手爸媽兩個人都可以來申請再多領一個月\n我想勞動部的用意是鼓勵大家領滿那為什麼不多給一點更減輕大家的負擔委員說明我們先前有回應過就是說因為劉子廷今天的政策目標20年前立法的時候就希望幫助這些新有爸媽不要因為育嬰而要照顧育嬰而離開職場\n所以它是暫時留職停薪所以我們這個暫時離開的期間我們給他一定的那個津貼經濟制但是我們還是希望政治目的希望他回來職場那我前面也講過我們根據2016到2023我們的持續6年多的這個大數據最終分析發現其實那個申請這些新手爸媽他其實運營留停他大概有82%回歸職場\n有18%多一點他是離開職場那這個不是我們的本意啦可是我們因為也知道一些先有幫他希望要那個禮滿六個月後多領一點所以我們就在平衡讓他多領一個月但是不要一下子增加太多我們現在從一個月多領來試試看先看看情況\n好 那我想根據勞動部自己的一個調查113年雇用管理的工作場所就業平等概念有超過一成五的事業單位不同意員工申請育嬰留職停薪高於生理假產假留產假安胎假產檢假賠產假也就是說相較於生理假安胎假育嬰留職停薪就很難請對這些不就看得到拿不到嗎所以應該要直接提高層數吧比如零九成十個月而不是玩文字遊戲你覺得呢\n各位說明這個比例其實就我們的理解我們的性別評定公務法16條就規定僱主是不得拒絕的如果拒絕的話勞工可以申訴那我們地方勞工局就可以依法來裁處當然我都知道這些都是法律的手段而且就我們了解以長時間來看這個僱主這個掉了1成5的比例如果長時間來看這個比例是比過去幾年要明顯要下降了\n我們還是希望因為目前還是有遇到這些個案的問題加強宣導我當然都知道法律都訂得很完善可是問題是第一失誤我們失誤上的確有遇到這樣子的困難那我們要怎麼去幫助他們我想再請問就業保險法第十一條第一項第四款規定留職停薪津貼必須年滿這個一年以上子女滿三歲以前那就業保險法就十九之二第一項來說另外\n只能夠領6個月平均月頭保薪資60%計算但是政府有另外以公務預算編列方式額外補助兩成的津貼所以等於有八成那現在基本工資是28,590元就以29,000來算就好一個月月薪29K的年輕人若申請育嬰留職停薪的津貼可以領多少 次長\n我們的就業保險的平均投保薪金上個月最新數字是37500多所以是比最低工資28590要明顯要高我想我們用29K來計算的話那基本上60%是多少一個月才領17000那29K的80%是多少如果用平均投保薪金37500來算的六成的話是不止\n當然你是用平均啦那也要確保每一個人都有平均在那個部分那我想自己的生活費不算房租不算家裡開銷不算單就照顧小孩子23220元怎麼樣政府的基金貼是不是補助太少請問這個部分救保基金現在有多少錢1780多億如果用公務預算編列的額外兩成如果就救保基金來增加這個支出會增加多少錢\n我們問的是增加哪個部分是說剛剛說有八成嘛80%嘛那少了20%嘛那20%如果用救保基金來支出會增加多少錢你們有沒有去算過大概35億左右我想救保基金如果有能力的話為什麼不能從這邊保出那我想這個部分是不是能夠過去是不是有要將這個救保1%的投保費率調降\n各位所以如果要調升費率這是大事啦因為這個是雇主負擔七成勞工負擔兩成政府補貼一成所以雇主團體勞工團體的意見我們都要很廣泛很慎重的去了解當然這個我都知道這不是一時之間可以處理的但是剛剛我說少子女化的一個衝擊這也是長期一直在探討的一個問題所以今天大家站在這邊召委排了這個案子我想今天大家都在就是希望能夠\n形成一個少子女化的一個團隊大家一起去想辦法處理這件事情當然不只是所有的勞工的問題資方也有可能有他的一些困難我們大家都要就這個部分一起來做探討一起來努力 好嗎謝謝謝謝委員謝謝羅委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.915 --> 00:08.376\n好謝謝召委我們有請衛福部次長\n\n00:17.986 --> 00:46.793\n市長好市長我想這個113年工業及服務業薪資統計薪資的中位數37274元等於全台超過一半的勞工月薪不到4萬元那我想請問各位長官我們要怎麼樣生得起養的那基本上剛剛有委員提到這個臨時托育要增加台中現在目前只有6個當然台中則無旁貸不能說都是中央的問題但是中央能不能給予更多的一些資源或者是督促這個我們要拜託中央\n\n00:47.953 --> 01:00.759\n第二0到2歲的專班我們也看到了行政院院長說要增加200班全台灣嗎以行政院來說他如果說是台中市200班那我覺得還蠻欣慰的但是以全台灣200班對不起\n\n01:02.349 --> 01:17.039\n入不敷出根本不夠不要騙大家200班根本不夠那另外我想請問的話這個部分我們是不是能夠再加強對應0到2歲專班的一個提升那這個也要有請市長能夠多關注\n\n01:17.819 --> 01:37.613\n因為幼兒班這是屬於教育部這個部0到2歲的專班我想這個部分我們目前包括教育部的一個努力衛福部我們現在說的0到2歲相關的一些補貼對不起我統整在一起講當然我知道有一些是全責在教育部我統整在一起講但是我要跟大家講的是說我們最近\n\n01:40.475 --> 01:59.221\n我要問跟你請教一個問題是我們嬰幼兒福利聯合會最近有一個在台中有目前發起的這個罷工你有掌握這個狀況嗎我瞭解對不對你瞭解嗎我瞭解那我要講到就是剛我要講補助啦那現階段的比照其他的六都這當時他們的訴求\n\n02:00.621 --> 02:14.965\n比照其他的六都增加了家長的補助比照其他的六都給予托育人員的九任獎金我要講的是這是台中的責任我沒有說這是衛福部的責任但衛福部能不能更加督促台中市來努力呢\n\n02:16.226 --> 02:38.835\n你知道他有罷工嗎我知道啦我知道他有這個訴求啦我也知道就是說蔣時中理事長他們現在也都是我想跟委員長期來都非常關心嘛對那我跟委員報告就是說其實那時候當社會局長的時候我本來就是要提這一個林佳龍市長前市長他也非常非常支持是那後來就是我想這個部分我想這一棒接一棒嘛\n\n02:39.195 --> 03:06.413\n那這個部分如果說盧市長他也願意來強化這個我們非常非常樂見啊而且另外我也必須要說一下現在目前大院的財政收支劃分現在目前已經通過了我想這個其實地方財源這個除了中央有的部分之外我想地方也基本上可以繼續加碼你的論述我可以接受就是你說的財源下放了那市權也應該由地方來承擔啊我覺得這都是論述沒有關係我們沒有對錯我們探討\n\n03:09.615 --> 03:36.729\n你覺得事權很重要我也認同可以事權那既然錢下放了地方也有責任沒錯這個可以認同嗎那你要督促你要在溝通你要捍衛嘛包委我簡單說明一下譬如說像那個我上禮拜前天來當主持社會安全網社會安全網新北就提出一個加班費的部分能不能提高我說fine當然沒問題只要地方政府願意就是說我們中央會補你的基本薪資嘛那如果說你願意再補\n\n03:38.770 --> 03:59.654\n這個就新北南約在補我們樂觀其成但是我們會有一個整個法源我們會有一個依據給地方政府那你覺得育兒津貼要再加碼嗎還是你就覺得應該事權之後由地方政府自己去統籌包委我現在就是說這個當然這是少子女化問題我覺得這個應該是大家共同來努力一起來承擔當然少子女化的問題我剛剛也說過現在目前這是一個多元的問題那津貼只是\n\n04:05.175 --> 04:16.298\n那當然就是說如果大家有共識這個我覺得這個中央地方我們大家一起來努力嘛好那再來我想問一下衛福部現在的數據台灣早療的個案通報2017年23535人到現在2024年3萬多39000那早療聯合評估要排隊啊那進入到療癒的服務還要再等有沒有方式讓這個醫療機構能夠增加量呢\n\n04:30.541 --> 04:41.633\n包委員我簡單兩個部分第一個現在目前就是我們的聯平中心我們從113到114我們現在目前已經加速已經增加然後我們的時間也已經縮短詳細的數據我請國建署跟委員報告來請\n\n04:47.718 --> 05:15.052\n報告委員那就是我們聯合評估中心的家數從113年的這個85家已經提升到114年的88家那其中這個重點中心也就是說我們在這個能夠在這個門診的這個服務量能夠再進一步提升的這個重點中心我們是從113年的10家也調整到114年的17家所以我們在整個聯合評估的這個服務量是可以有增加的那有關於時效的數據我們也看到就是說\n\n05:15.832 --> 05:31.900\n這些數據會後再提供給我我相信每年都有進步啦但是我要講的是說需求一直在增加那我們要怎麼樣去因應未來的一個需求這個部分還要再多加一點力道那再來就是我想今天喔趙偉這個這個題目真的是非常的廣那當然有勞動部\n\n05:33.161 --> 05:56.931\n我覺得教育部也應該要在在場因為教育部也責無旁貸大家一起來努力教育部在這邊教育部有喔是剛剛沒有叫到你上來對我剛剛就在對剛剛上一場正旭委員在的時候您有在場上不好意思那所以我要談到的是不管是0到2歲專班以及相關的補貼我們綜合性的來談喔應該都要一起來努力啦沒錯沒錯好那這個部分我要再另外請那個勞動部\n\n06:03.444 --> 06:28.594\n我想請問一下勞動部現在正在研議修正的就業保險法就領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪的一個津貼雙薪那再增加一個月的薪資津貼我真的看不懂這是什麼意思我想跟請問一下育嬰留停6個月領滿6個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼可以再繼續留停一個月同時多領一個月的津貼嗎這是AB是\n\n06:29.054 --> 06:50.048\n育嬰留停六個月領七個月的育嬰留職停薪津貼這是B請問AB到底是哪一個我們現在的方向就是說希望修改修改就業保險法讓新手爸媽領滿育嬰留停六個月者新手爸媽兩個人都可以來申請再多領一個月\n\n06:51.089 --> 07:07.885\n我想勞動部的用意是鼓勵大家領滿那為什麼不多給一點更減輕大家的負擔委員說明我們先前有回應過就是說因為劉子廷今天的政策目標20年前立法的時候就希望幫助這些新有爸媽不要因為育嬰而要照顧育嬰而離開職場\n\n07:09.406 --> 07:32.277\n所以它是暫時留職停薪所以我們這個暫時離開的期間我們給他一定的那個津貼經濟制但是我們還是希望政治目的希望他回來職場那我前面也講過我們根據2016到2023我們的持續6年多的這個大數據最終分析發現其實那個申請這些新手爸媽他其實運營留停他大概有82%回歸職場\n\n07:34.918 --> 07:53.798\n有18%多一點他是離開職場那這個不是我們的本意啦可是我們因為也知道一些先有幫他希望要那個禮滿六個月後多領一點所以我們就在平衡讓他多領一個月但是不要一下子增加太多我們現在從一個月多領來試試看先看看情況\n\n07:55.475 --> 08:23.752\n好那我想根據勞動部自己的一個調查113年雇用管理的工作場所就業平等概念有超過一成五的事業單位不同意員工申請育嬰留職停薪高於生理假產假留產假安胎假產檢假賠產假也就是說相較於生理假安胎假育嬰留職停薪就很難請對這些不就看得到拿不到嗎所以應該要直接提高層數吧比如零九成十個月而不是玩文字遊戲你覺得呢\n\n08:24.292 --> 08:48.365\n各位說明這個比例其實就我們的理解我們的性別評定公務法16條就規定僱主是不得拒絕的如果拒絕的話勞工可以申訴那我們地方勞工局就可以依法來裁處當然我都知道這些都是法律的手段而且就我們了解以長時間來看這個僱主這個掉了1成5的比例如果長時間來看這個比例是比過去幾年要明顯要下降了\n\n08:49.520 --> 09:18.080\n我們還是希望因為目前還是有遇到這些個案的問題加強宣導我當然都知道法律都訂得很完善可是問題是第一失誤我們失誤上的確有遇到這樣子的困難那我們要怎麼去幫助他們我想再請問就業保險法第十一條第一項第四款規定留職停薪津貼必須年滿這個一年以上子女滿三歲以前那就業保險法就十九之二第一項來說另外\n\n09:19.252 --> 09:42.037\n只能夠領6個月平均月頭保薪資60%計算但是政府有另外以公務預算編列方式額外補助兩成的津貼所以等於有八成那現在基本工資是28,590元就以29,000來算就好一個月月薪29K的年輕人若申請育嬰留職停薪的津貼可以領多少次長\n\n09:44.020 --> 10:06.000\n我們的就業保險的平均投保薪金上個月最新數字是37500多所以是比最低工資28590要明顯要高我想我們用29K來計算的話那基本上60%是多少一個月才領17000那29K的80%是多少如果用平均投保薪金37500來算的六成的話是不止\n\n10:06.926 --> 10:32.743\n當然你是用平均啦那也要確保每一個人都有平均在那個部分那我想自己的生活費不算房租不算家裡開銷不算單就照顧小孩子23220元怎麼樣政府的基金貼是不是補助太少請問這個部分救保基金現在有多少錢1780多億如果用公務預算編列的額外兩成如果就救保基金來增加這個支出會增加多少錢\n\n10:34.417 --> 10:58.872\n我們問的是增加哪個部分是說剛剛說有八成嘛80%嘛那少了20%嘛那20%如果用救保基金來支出會增加多少錢你們有沒有去算過大概35億左右我想救保基金如果有能力的話為什麼不能從這邊保出那我想這個部分是不是能夠過去是不是有要將這個救保1%的投保費率調降\n\n11:00.523 --> 11:25.382\n各位所以如果要調升費率這是大事啦因為這個是雇主負擔七成勞工負擔兩成政府補貼一成所以雇主團體勞工團體的意見我們都要很廣泛很慎重的去了解當然這個我都知道這不是一時之間可以處理的但是剛剛我說少子女化的一個衝擊這也是長期一直在探討的一個問題所以今天大家站在這邊召委排了這個案子我想今天大家都在就是希望能夠\n\n11:26.643 --> 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