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反制無人機的技術跟產業鏈也十分重要\n那現在我們最近有辦蠻多場座談會針對無人機啊低軌衛星等等跟通訊相關的部分那也是在應該是在NCC的主管的這個部分我們在立法院舉辦座談會那裡面有一些\n不斷的不管是新創企業還是已經比較成熟的企業都有提出來他說在電信管理法裡面的限制裡有關於無人機的反制雷達系統設備它是被NCC視為設置電台那視為設置電台的話變成要每年要繳\n高額的規費那同時我們一方面在政府的策略裡面是要這個激勵鼓勵甚至有一部分的經費是挹注無人機產業但是另一方面我們還有一些法規上面的限制等於是在限制它的發展那與其把大量的資金你就預入一個產業裡面不如用更多的政策方法在這個\n可能不合時宜或者是影響到產業發展的地方予以調整那之前我也問過其他的部會那我想請教一下根據電信管理法它架設雷達系統是被視為設置電台每年至少要繳納的這個規費是三千萬元針對這個部分我想請教一下你們的看法是怎麼樣有沒有要做調整\n是的跟委員報告我先再補充一點背景資訊在3月19日的時候我有質詢國發會的劉主委主委他是有表示說會跟NCC來協調不知道你有沒有聽到相關的消息可能我們業管處有跟對方在聯繫但是我這邊也要跟委員報告來釐清大概我直接先講結論好了這個應該是\n網路部分沒有那麼多錢應該是平均使用費那我跟委員報告那專用電台雷達視為專用電台他在NCC目前的大概有四種規費要收一個網路設置審查一個電台設置審查一個電台審驗一個電台執照費那最貴的第一項是六千塊然後兩千塊然後七百塊然後五百塊加起來才\n9200塊那但是這邊委員這powerpoint這邊右邊這邊是是平均使用費的減免係數那跟委員報告以往在數位部成立之前都是在NCC那邊是我們來處理那跟委員報告一個好消息是那平均收費使用辦法的第6這個執法的第6條有規定符合\n公共利益的報行政院可以免收那這部分我個人很清楚我以前在那一處我處理過淘機的反鳥機雷達就是因為鳥機會撞到飛機那一塊當年處理幫交通部處理過那一塊後來淘機的那種防鳥機雷達後來是沒有收錢所以這一塊是可以處理的\n所以你剛才意思是說如果是符合國家利益的話是可以做特殊報行政院之後可以免收報行政院之後可以免收那所以我們剛才提到的這個有些是依照規費可能要這種大筆的金額只要報行政院也是平均使用費平均使用費符合公共利益的報行政院是可以免收那我剛才講到的這個什麼依照公示繳納規費三千萬元不存在嗎\n那個應該是平均使用費因為雷達會用到很大的頻寬跟功率所以他那個收費的那個參數裡頭這兩個參數是半年大平均使用費裡頭有兩個參數一個是使用的頻寬一個是發射的功率\n那我們剛才講到頻率使用費這個部分我們現在講的是要發展的是這個無人機跟反制無人機產業那你剛才提到的提報行政院的部分他是符合通例還是只是相對是個案應該是個案那如果我們要鼓勵這個產業的發展因為我們這是國家的一個重大政策的話你覺得有什麼樣的方向可以去檢討或者還是你認為說這個是必須要存在的\n跟委員報告應該說是這個機制已經有了比方說陶機它也有反無人機的那種部件那先前我剛剛跟委員報告以往防鳥擊雷達那個也有試用過了所以這一塊其實可以可以圓滿處理的\n因為我們現在討論的是在針對產業而不是針對哪一個地方它是你說你剛剛講是公共利益甚至桃園機場但是我們講的是整個產業鏈我們現在講的不是說取消而是說是否要調整調整之後是否可以因為我們現在有一個政策的工具是要挹注這個無人機產業跟反制無人機產業但是另外一個政策的工具它可能是在規範上面等於是抑制它的成長跟發展所以我想請教的是說\n針對這樣子的部分你們有沒有想要調整或是說有沒有針對這個地方來去邀請這個企業公聽會裡面來去討論\n如果是反制無人機剛剛已經跟我們報告過了大概有可以處理反制無人機是沒有問題那如果一般無人機的促進他的發展那一塊我們知道嘉義這邊有做一個類似的一個無人機的一個重要的hub那這一塊如果相關的規費上有需要來做incentive這一塊的話我們會來檢討但是跟我們報告過那剛剛我們前面講的\n相關規則其實不高啦 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02:12.280\n是的跟委員報告我先再補充一點背景資訊在3月19日的時候我有質詢國發會的劉主委主委他是有表示說會跟NCC來協調不知道你有沒有聽到相關的消息可能我們業管處有跟對方在聯繫但是我這邊也要跟委員報告來釐清大概我直接先講結論好了這個應該是\n\n02:15.191 --> 02:37.649\n網路部分沒有那麼多錢應該是平均使用費那我跟委員報告那專用電台雷達視為專用電台他在NCC目前的大概有四種規費要收一個網路設置審查一個電台設置審查一個電台審驗一個電台執照費那最貴的第一項是六千塊然後兩千塊然後七百塊然後五百塊加起來才\n\n02:39.851 --> 03:01.287\n9200塊那但是這邊委員這powerpoint這邊右邊這邊是是平均使用費的減免係數那跟委員報告以往在數位部成立之前都是在NCC那邊是我們來處理那跟委員報告一個好消息是那平均收費使用辦法的第6這個執法的第6條有規定符合\n\n03:02.328 --> 03:12.735\n公共利益的報行政院可以免收那這部分我個人很清楚我以前在那一處我處理過淘機的反鳥機雷達就是因為鳥機會撞到飛機那一塊當年處理幫交通部處理過那一塊後來淘機的那種防鳥機雷達後來是沒有收錢所以這一塊是可以處理的\n\n03:22.645 --> 03:50.100\n所以你剛才意思是說如果是符合國家利益的話是可以做特殊報行政院之後可以免收報行政院之後可以免收那所以我們剛才提到的這個有些是依照規費可能要這種大筆的金額只要報行政院也是平均使用費平均使用費符合公共利益的報行政院是可以免收那我剛才講到的這個什麼依照公示繳納規費三千萬元不存在嗎\n\n03:51.209 --> 04:02.221\n那個應該是平均使用費因為雷達會用到很大的頻寬跟功率所以他那個收費的那個參數裡頭這兩個參數是半年大平均使用費裡頭有兩個參數一個是使用的頻寬一個是發射的功率\n\n04:09.810 --> 04:36.230\n那我們剛才講到頻率使用費這個部分我們現在講的是要發展的是這個無人機跟反制無人機產業那你剛才提到的提報行政院的部分他是符合通例還是只是相對是個案應該是個案那如果我們要鼓勵這個產業的發展因為我們這是國家的一個重大政策的話你覺得有什麼樣的方向可以去檢討或者還是你認為說這個是必須要存在的\n\n04:37.183 --> 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