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00:05:24,604\n警察主動去偵辦案件沒錯沒錯看到哪裡有可能是有治安的死角我們主動去偵辦是的如果能夠早點發現治安死角來破獲的話也就不會像這個黃信義人他可能這一次的事件是之後有人舉報或是什麼才爆發但是過去已經長達那麼久的一個犯罪行為\n\n15\n00:05:25,385 --> 00:05:42,203\n好那我想請教一下一個月前有一個新聞是說因為我們要跟Google來做對接可能沒有辦法那但是主動選完還是要做到目前為止我們的進度好跟委員簡單報告我們現在目前就是說也感謝委員之前在上個會期也通過了我們的那個新撥稅\n\n16\n00:05:43,824 --> 00:06:09,154\n那這一個部分我們現在目前依這個法我們現在目前就是說要來成立現在目前委員剛剛所說的我們現在目前主動的這一個尋往就等於是早期我們趕快去Screaming那我們本來是寄望Google他能夠跟我們合作啦授權啦因為網路世界Data太多你如果說只靠人力你真的沒有辦法所以我們才希望是有系統性的先去大規模搜索然後有可能的性私密影像我們再用人力去判斷嘛\n\n17\n00:06:09,394 --> 00:06:34,527\n但是後來就是說我們跟Google那個協商結果就是說他們就是說還是基於就是說用戶的這個所謂隱私權保障那這個部分我是不是請那個司長來講沒關係我想知道我們現在這樣Google已經拒絕了沒有辦法強人鎖欄我看到你們新聞稿但我們現在怎麼做我們現在的招標部分應該是朝著自己開發那什麼時候可以這個月底我們目標是這個月底把招標文件公告\n\n18\n00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:56,392\n所以這個月底招標文件公告然後看招標的廠商那我們有接洽也有詢問我們本土的相關的科技業者應該是有這個能力有這個條件台灣是AI大國嘛照理講我們是絕對是有這個能力能做那這個可以正式成軍本土巡視今年可以啟動應該沒問題\n\n19\n00:06:58,134 --> 00:07:14,466\n我覺得兩到三個月不要應該啦你把應該拿掉兩到三個月一定要自信一點把應該拿掉一定要好不好我們一起努力真的市長我想今天這兩個議題跟今天朝委排的少子化都非常重要但是保護兒少我覺得真的是我們現在過去\n\n20\n00:07:16,067 --> 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次長好今天少子女化友善托育非常重要但本席也另外關心也很重要是我們兒少托育的部分我想在針對不管是過去發生凱凱案大家看到的這樣的一個社會矚目焦點以外\n我覺得更重要的是我們要怎麼樣能夠來做精進所以幾個部分我想還是利用這個機會來跟次長確定一下我們未來修法或是立法的一個方向在凱凱案的這個過程裡面其實凸顯兩個部分一個是安置出養制度的漏洞出養評估沒有明確的指引以及安置能量不足還有跨縣市的資訊不足這是第一個部分您麥克風可以按開好嗎\n那第二個部分其實就是凱凱案件的這個犯行嚴厲而且頑固的保姆他沒有在第一時間托育監管的時候保姆的監督如果說能夠事先發現這個保姆真的有問題的話其實可能可以避免這樣的一個慘案那就針對這兩個部分第一個\n我們現在也希望討論說能夠修正兒童跟少年福利權益保障法堵絕個案的一個漏接就是中央跟地方跨機關的資料要全面能夠間接\n安養機關出售養媒合單位的管理權責也應該要修法明確寫在法令上是沒錯市長您可以接受可以沒問題好那現在目前我們兒少權利法裡面也確實就是朝委員您剛剛所建議的這方向來進行這個相關的修法是所以我們有可能在這個會期就一起來討論這個部分嗎\n我們現在目前有兩個重要的法,一個是托育服務法這是我第二個問題,你先講了這個部分我跟委員報告我們現在目前已經送到行政院了托育服務法也就是外界可能有人叫他做兒少托育專法或是托育服務法就是針對這個部分來做一個\n專法的立法原先是在那個他本來就相關的一些這一個罰則啦那些是他本來只是在兒少權益法裡面而且基本上他條目大概只有大概兩三大概兩條而已那我們現在我們有有鑒於現在目前剛剛委員所關心的這一問題還有現在其實0到20歲大家也都非常關心所以我們特別我們現在目前這個部分我們就把它特別獨立出來變成一個專法整個所謂的\n已經送到行政院我們已經送到行政院那現在目前陳中正委現在目前在主持還有我們現在目前跟地方政府之間還有一些需要協調那我們希望我想我們這個應該在這個會期這個會期就會送到大院來好這是第一點那另外第二個就是說有關兒少權益法我們現在目前也在緊鑼密鼓跟就是說提出修法對沒錯那這個部分\n所以一定會有願板\n一定會有嘛還有兒少托育專法現在說要行政院本席也會提出我們的版本我也希望在這個會期裡面真真正正能夠趕快送來到立法院我們針對兒少托育專法來做實質的討論那我也拜託召委我想召委過去到現在也都很關心這個兒少權益所以一定也會盡速的排案\n到時候也感謝再拜託委員對於這部分給我們指正謝謝只要好的法令對的法令我們一定都會支持感謝委員謝謝另外第二個部分我想大家也都看到黃姓藝人我完全不想講他的名字是因為他所做的行為以及看這個相關兒少性私密影像越了解之後越發覺說這絕對是任何人都沒有辦法接受的甚至他的判決書出來裡面\n其中有一位未滿14歲的未成年少女她還被被點名被會員高級會員點名這個判決書講判決書會員點名然後做\n性侵等相關的一個事件然後拍成影像然後供這一些會員來觀看這就是令人髮指令人髮指沒有辦法接受沒錯好那我們在針對這個部分之後我們之後也有做相關的一些修法那其中更重要就是行政院之前有頒布性別暴力防治國家行動計畫那其中我們就是加強可以主動尋往的機制其實某種程度上主動尋往就如同現實社會裡面\n警察主動去偵辦案件沒錯沒錯看到哪裡有可能是有治安的死角我們主動去偵辦是的如果能夠早點發現治安死角來破獲的話也就不會像這個黃信義人他可能這一次的事件是之後有人舉報或是什麼才爆發但是過去已經長達那麼久的一個犯罪行為\n好 那我想請教一下一個月前有一個新聞是說因為我們要跟Google來做對接可能沒有辦法那但是主動選完還是要做到目前為止我們的進度好 跟委員簡單報告我們現在目前就是說也感謝委員之前在上個會期也通過了我們的那個新撥稅\n那這一個部分我們現在目前依這個法我們現在目前就是說要來成立現在目前委員剛剛所說的我們現在目前主動的這一個尋往就等於是早期我們趕快去Screaming那我們本來是寄望Google他能夠跟我們合作啦授權啦因為網路世界Data太多你如果說只靠人力你真的沒有辦法所以我們才希望是有系統性的先去大規模搜索然後有可能的性私密影像我們再用人力去判斷嘛\n但是後來就是說我們跟Google那個協商結果就是說他們就是說還是基於就是說用戶的這個所謂隱私權保障那這個部分我是不是請那個司長來講沒關係我想知道我們現在這樣Google已經拒絕了沒有辦法強人鎖欄我看到你們新聞稿但我們現在怎麼做我們現在的招標部分應該是朝著自己開發那什麼時候可以這個月底我們目標是這個月底把招標文件公告\n所以這個月底招標文件公告然後看招標的廠商那我們有接洽也有詢問我們本土的相關的科技業者應該是有這個能力有這個條件台灣是AI大國嘛照理講我們是絕對是有這個能力能做那這個可以正式成軍本土巡視今年可以啟動應該沒問題\n我覺得兩到三個月不要應該啦你把應該拿掉兩到三個月一定要自信一點把應該拿掉一定要好不好我們一起努力真的市長我想今天這兩個議題跟今天朝委排的少子化都非常重要但是保護兒少我覺得真的是我們現在過去\n有破網的地方我們把他給亡羊補牢補起來是共同努力一起守護台灣兒童兒童其實委員真的非常非常欽佩就是說確實每一個小孩都是我們心目中的心肝寶貝是一定要用心呵護這個是我們責無旁貸一定我們也跟委員一起來努力感謝委員謝謝市長謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝市長謝謝洪委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.993 --> 00:29.598\n主席謝謝麻煩請呂次長好次長好今天少子女化友善托育非常重要但本席也另外關心也很重要是我們兒少托育的部分我想在針對不管是過去發生凱凱案大家看到的這樣的一個社會矚目焦點以外\n\n00:30.100 --> 00:55.707\n我覺得更重要的是我們要怎麼樣能夠來做精進所以幾個部分我想還是利用這個機會來跟次長確定一下我們未來修法或是立法的一個方向在凱凱案的這個過程裡面其實凸顯兩個部分一個是安置出養制度的漏洞出養評估沒有明確的指引以及安置能量不足還有跨縣市的資訊不足這是第一個部分您麥克風可以按開好嗎\n\n00:57.388 --> 01:18.325\n那第二個部分其實就是凱凱案件的這個犯行嚴厲而且頑固的保姆他沒有在第一時間托育監管的時候保姆的監督如果說能夠事先發現這個保姆真的有問題的話其實可能可以避免這樣的一個慘案那就針對這兩個部分第一個\n\n01:20.868 --> 01:31.145\n我們現在也希望討論說能夠修正兒童跟少年福利權益保障法堵絕個案的一個漏接就是中央跟地方跨機關的資料要全面能夠間接\n\n01:32.059 --> 01:50.067\n安養機關出售養媒合單位的管理權責也應該要修法明確寫在法令上是沒錯市長您可以接受可以沒問題好那現在目前我們兒少權利法裡面也確實就是朝委員您剛剛所建議的這方向來進行這個相關的修法是所以我們有可能在這個會期就一起來討論這個部分嗎\n\n01:52.088 --> 02:12.658\n我們現在目前有兩個重要的法,一個是托育服務法這是我第二個問題,你先講了這個部分我跟委員報告我們現在目前已經送到行政院了托育服務法也就是外界可能有人叫他做兒少托育專法或是托育服務法就是針對這個部分來做一個\n\n02:15.819 --> 02:38.806\n專法的立法原先是在那個他本來就相關的一些這一個罰則啦那些是他本來只是在兒少權益法裡面而且基本上他條目大概只有大概兩三大概兩條而已那我們現在我們有有鑒於現在目前剛剛委員所關心的這一問題還有現在其實0到20歲大家也都非常關心所以我們特別我們現在目前這個部分我們就把它特別獨立出來變成一個專法整個所謂的\n\n02:40.646 --> 03:02.502\n已經送到行政院我們已經送到行政院那現在目前陳中正委現在目前在主持還有我們現在目前跟地方政府之間還有一些需要協調那我們希望我想我們這個應該在這個會期這個會期就會送到大院來好這是第一點那另外第二個就是說有關兒少權益法我們現在目前也在緊鑼密鼓跟就是說提出修法對沒錯那這個部分\n\n03:04.884 --> 03:05.505\n所以一定會有願板\n\n03:26.802 --> 03:48.343\n一定會有嘛還有兒少托育專法現在說要行政院本席也會提出我們的版本我也希望在這個會期裡面真真正正能夠趕快送來到立法院我們針對兒少托育專法來做實質的討論那我也拜託召委我想召委過去到現在也都很關心這個兒少權益所以一定也會盡速的排案\n\n03:49.263 --> 04:16.809\n到時候也感謝再拜託委員對於這部分給我們指正謝謝只要好的法令對的法令我們一定都會支持感謝委員謝謝另外第二個部分我想大家也都看到黃姓藝人我完全不想講他的名字是因為他所做的行為以及看這個相關兒少性私密影像越了解之後越發覺說這絕對是任何人都沒有辦法接受的甚至他的判決書出來裡面\n\n04:18.467 --> 04:29.553\n其中有一位未滿14歲的未成年少女她還被被點名被會員高級會員點名這個判決書講判決書會員點名然後做\n\n04:33.095 --> 05:01.612\n性侵等相關的一個事件然後拍成影像然後供這一些會員來觀看這就是令人髮指令人髮指沒有辦法接受沒錯好那我們在針對這個部分之後我們之後也有做相關的一些修法那其中更重要就是行政院之前有頒布性別暴力防治國家行動計畫那其中我們就是加強可以主動尋往的機制其實某種程度上主動尋往就如同現實社會裡面\n\n05:02.682 --> 05:24.604\n警察主動去偵辦案件沒錯沒錯看到哪裡有可能是有治安的死角我們主動去偵辦是的如果能夠早點發現治安死角來破獲的話也就不會像這個黃信義人他可能這一次的事件是之後有人舉報或是什麼才爆發但是過去已經長達那麼久的一個犯罪行為\n\n05:25.385 --> 05:42.203\n好那我想請教一下一個月前有一個新聞是說因為我們要跟Google來做對接可能沒有辦法那但是主動選完還是要做到目前為止我們的進度好跟委員簡單報告我們現在目前就是說也感謝委員之前在上個會期也通過了我們的那個新撥稅\n\n05:43.824 --> 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