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00:02:52,314\n也有跟美國的政府的官員一直在保持密切的聯繫所以但是呢正確要採用什麼樣的訊息還是要以川普總統他所公布的為準好所以就您的回答我可以理解說是\n\n8\n00:02:54,021 --> 00:03:15,929\n過去美國川普上任之後所發布的任何一個政策或是新聞消息我們這邊從來沒有被提前告知過我可以這樣子理解嗎好了就是回到剛剛的問題我們單方面壓榜美國美國好像沒有幫我們當一回事啦所以就是造成我們的行政官員是非常的一個辛苦啦那關稅貿易對等這牽扯到我們兩個部會嘛我們經濟部是負責出口嘛\n\n9\n00:03:18,570 --> 00:03:38,753\n那我們的財政部是負責我們關稅的問題,所以是兩個部會那在關稅對等的這件事情,我們兩個部會有沒有討論過我們可能在關稅對等的這樣的一個理念下我們哪些項目是可以做調整的\n\n10\n00:03:40,615 --> 00:04:08,620\n可能經濟部會認為說我們對美國的產業是多少的稅那美國要對我們是課多少稅那可能經濟部會站在一個關稅對等的情況下來保護我們的國內產業那我們財政部這邊有沒有相關的一個討論或立場或是曾經具體的一個方向出來不只是我們財政部跟經濟部還有其他的部會我們都會很密集的做討論行政院有一個經貿工作小組都非常密集的跨部會的在做討論\n\n11\n00:04:10,029 --> 00:04:36,338\n所以有沒有任何的實際的東西是您在這邊可以講的還是這些還是屬於談判的籌碼我們可能不方便提前宣告對跟委員報告這相關的產業我們會有什麼樣的措施那在今天的相關產業主管機關的報告裡面也有那當然對於未來我們的目前研擬的方案以及策略都在工作小組裡面都會有而且也涉及到可能未來跟美方\n\n12\n00:04:37,119 --> 00:05:00,521\n的一個協商或者是談判的一些資訊所以其實過去一個WTO的概念就是WTO的概念就是大家多邊貿易一致的關稅那目前美國要打破這樣的觀念他要個別來實施稅率嗎那所以說我們台灣有沒有考慮過因為其實我們覺得我們台灣未來在稅率方面有沒有可能也針對不同的國家去訂定不同的稅率來反制美國可能對我們的關稅的不對等\n\n13\n00:05:03,138 --> 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