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00:01:46,930\n對這一部分NCC沒有角色沒有沒有吧那您也沒有您有沒有主動去提問過因為你們可能在業務上也有說你們可能遭遇了一些困難你們有沒有主動的去跟行政院去請教一下相關的進度這樣子我們有私底下有在體系內行政體系內有跟相關的長官有反應過有反應過那他是怎麼跟您做說明的\n\n5\n00:01:47,762 --> 00:02:00,982\n大致就是說就是警農密鼓就一規定處理就是一規定處理所以說你自己目前這邊也完全是沒有相關的一個棲身表嗎對我這邊沒有角色也也沒有吳總長吳崇智希\n\n6\n00:02:01,425 --> 00:02:20,920\n好我想這個分層分層啦我尊重啦你的權限不到或許你們就沒有辦法決定啦不過我相信啦這個大家有說六月多可能有一些換照的問題啦我相信喔這個可能華市啊台市啊中市等等換照可能對你們來說無關痛癢那我相信可能三立民司要換照的時候你們就會很快的去補足了啦\n\n7\n00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:46,721\n不過我們都一視同仁一視同仁好謝謝我們主委那另外我請教一下我們最近NCC這個是不是有發函去給中廣去詢問部分的主持人可能是這個王淺秋啊還是歷史哥啊去詢問為什麼他們的相關的節目的來賓可能對他們來說就是對你們來說都是偏藍的一個政治色彩背景的這個訪談人員有沒有發這樣子的函\n\n8\n00:02:50,948 --> 00:03:02,390\n基本上我們都尊重新聞媒體的編輯自由理應上我們應該是不會來介入的那這邊細節我們是所以我要確認有沒有確認有沒有我們請我們林處長來補充不好意思我可能要確認一下不過如果是有的話應該是民眾的意見我們轉達而已我們不會問這個部分說他的來賓是不是有政治色彩\n\n9\n00:03:14,946 --> 00:03:43,505\n那如果你幫他問一定是可能他涉及到了某些規定的可能不符合我們NCC的規定你才去問他嘛你也不會無緣無故民眾你會去函詢他說你今天中餐是什麼嗎這有關你的業務嘛一定是有關你的業務你才會去詢問嘛是這樣就民眾的可能對於節目有一些內容的表達那我們是想把民眾的意見轉資給電台而已好所以你們就是轉資所以他回不回你有沒有關係沒有關係\n\n10\n00:03:45,006 --> 00:03:49,413\n民眾如果請他要回覆可能就是電台這部分就要回覆給當事呃陳情人這樣子他不回覆會怎麼樣嗎\n\n11\n00:03:53,951 --> 00:04:15,718\n不過因為電視或者是廣播你們鼓勵他回覆啦應該是這樣講啦沒有強制性啦客服跟這個閱聽眾的服務啦好所以就是這個廣電媒體就相關邀約的來賓都是充分尊重是的尊重他們那如果說民眾陳情的話那你們就韓轉他是同意由電視台或是廣播電台來回覆的話我們會轉給電視台或是廣播來回覆你們就是單純韓轉但是可能\n\n12\n00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:47,981\n裡面可能並沒有涉及到相關的NCC的電信或是媒體相關的法令除非他有違反譬如說是節目廣告的話或者是工序欄署等等那常常是後續的依照相關的程序來處理可是如果是單單的對於主持人的一些意見或是來賓的身份你們是充分的尊重是是是好謝謝那這樣子我也相信我們後續就是依照這樣子的相關規定也讓他們收到可能公漢的人能夠了解一下好謝謝\n\n13\n00:04:51,093 --> 00:05:11,756\n再回顧一下當初我們這個750元之亂那當然其實有人說當初也有這個公告嘛那其實我也承認啦那時候其實立法院確實沒有注意到我們大部分的委員是沒有注意到我們海巡那最後上路的時候確實也造成了這個社會的一片這個反韓的聲浪那我們也後續也調整了啦\n\n14\n00:05:12,136 --> 00:05:19,578\n那我那時候有跟主委談論到說因為我們收到這筆錢假設上路之後收到750你們的說法是說我們的同仁的業務量增加嘛對不對那但是我們收到的這筆錢卻不能夠去徵聘人員你們也不能拿來自己用你們當初的說法是這樣子依照預算法應該也是這個到國庫去統籌分配嘛所以說收了這一筆錢他並沒有辦法這個減緩我們同仁的工作壓力\n\n15\n00:05:42,225 --> 00:06:02,908\n他可能最大的一個功能就是以價自量我把單價提高了那你可能就是相對起來民眾進來這個網購通訊產品的數量可能會因此減少而間接減少我們工作的這個同仁的工作量我想如果說真的要有什麼效果的話就是這樣子而已啦\n\n16\n00:06:03,208 --> 00:06:25,006\n那我看我們同仁也是否認這樣子的一個說法那所以說我們做的這件事情完全也沒有辦法達到我們的一個目的嘛所以說當初討論說後續是不是由我們NCC來跟行政院來爭取預算來可能增加我們電腦設備一些審核的機制那我們後續的實際上做法有沒有在進行當中\n\n17\n00:06:27,308 --> 00:06:45,778\n跟委員回應報告大概幾點第一點就是我們依據我們組織法我們收到的一些規費會有14%會轉到我們通常基金去那邊大概就會有一小部分的可以處理那另外一個角度來看也是跟委員報告過用大水庫的概念我們在115年有編相關的預算來處理這一塊那如果說國庫\n\n18\n00:06:50,521 --> 00:07:10,639\n就是是人員的增編嗎?還是我們可能系統的一些協助我們的人員?系統協助系統的人員嘛,所以我們有編到115的預算那如果立法院通過的話,我們同仁的工作壓力就可以減輕那未來可能這個民眾持續在做相關的網購的時候我們也不會再想要再用這個增加這個規費的方式來做一個行政處分嘛對不對?\n\n19\n00:07:14,716 --> 00:07:40,107\n是的我們會加速未來希望能夠加速審查這方面來講所以我當初就有也是跟那天我們的溝通是非常愉快嘛我們希望說既然國家已經收過錢了我們關這個貨物進來海關會收一次錢處理費那也會超過2000元也會有相關的稅金那如果說真的我們的NCC在業務上遇到了一些壓力增加壓力的時候那應該是從\n\n20\n00:07:41,670 --> 00:08:11,145\n我們已經收到的錢這一邊去調配給我們NCC讓我們NCC有更大的量能來處理我們民眾的這個可能檢驗的一個需求那所以後續我們的所有可能長期以來有在這個自用啦當然商用的部分當然這是另外一回事嘛商用的部分就是必須要這個繳交相關的規費那自用的部分我們後續應該就是沒有任何的計畫會跟民眾來收錢我可以這樣子理解嗎謝謝委員委員剛剛的說也是我們現在未來處理的方向之一\n\n21\n00:08:11,485 --> 00:08:12,432\n好謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4451\t8314\t好 謝謝主席喔 麻煩我們那個陳代理主委請主委文豪好 謝謝 謝謝我們陳代理主委喔那先請教一下代理主委啊 說文解釋一下啦喔 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警農密鼓就一規定處理就是一規定處理所以說你自己目前這邊也完全是沒有相關的一個棲身表嗎對我這邊沒有角色也也沒有吳總長吳崇智希\n121425\t140920\t好我想這個分層分層啦我尊重啦你的權限不到或許你們就沒有辦法決定啦不過我相信啦這個大家有說六月多可能有一些換照的問題啦我相信喔這個可能華市啊台市啊中市等等換照可能對你們來說無關痛癢那我相信可能三立民司要換照的時候你們就會很快的去補足了啦\n141500\t166721\t不過我們都一視同仁一視同仁好謝謝我們主委那另外我請教一下我們最近NCC這個是不是有發函去給中廣去詢問部分的主持人可能是這個王淺秋啊還是歷史哥啊去詢問為什麼他們的相關的節目的來賓可能對他們來說就是對你們來說都是偏藍的一個政治色彩背景的這個訪談人員有沒有發這樣子的函\n170948\t182390\t基本上我們都尊重新聞媒體的編輯自由理應上我們應該是不會來介入的那這邊細節我們是所以我要確認有沒有確認有沒有我們請我們林處長來補充不好意思我可能要確認一下不過如果是有的話應該是民眾的意見我們轉達而已我們不會問這個部分說他的來賓是不是有政治色彩\n194946\t223505\t那如果你幫他問一定是可能他涉及到了某些規定的可能不符合我們NCC的規定你才去問他嘛你也不會無緣無故民眾你會去函詢他說你今天中餐是什麼嗎這有關你的業務嘛一定是有關你的業務你才會去詢問嘛是這樣就民眾的可能對於節目有一些內容的表達那我們是想把民眾的意見轉資給電台而已好所以你們就是轉資所以他回不回你有沒有關係沒有關係\n225006\t229413\t民眾如果請他要回覆可能就是電台這部分就要回覆給當事呃陳情人這樣子他不回覆會怎麼樣嗎\n233951\t255718\t不過因為電視或者是廣播你們鼓勵他回覆啦應該是這樣講啦沒有強制性啦客服跟這個閱聽眾的服務啦好所以就是這個廣電媒體就相關邀約的來賓都是充分尊重是的尊重他們那如果說民眾陳情的話那你們就韓轉他是同意由電視台或是廣播電台來回覆的話我們會轉給電視台或是廣播來回覆你們就是單純韓轉但是可能\n259919\t287981\t裡面可能並沒有涉及到相關的NCC的電信或是媒體相關的法令除非他有違反譬如說是節目廣告的話或者是工序欄署等等那常常是後續的依照相關的程序來處理可是如果是單單的對於主持人的一些意見或是來賓的身份你們是充分的尊重是是是好 謝謝那這樣子我也相信我們後續就是依照這樣子的相關規定也讓他們收到可能公漢的人能夠了解一下好 謝謝\n291093\t311756\t再回顧一下當初我們這個750元之亂那當然其實有人說當初也有這個公告嘛那其實我也承認啦那時候其實立法院確實沒有注意到我們大部分的委員是沒有注意到我們海巡那最後上路的時候確實也造成了這個社會的一片這個反韓的聲浪那我們也後續也調整了啦\n312136\t319578\t那我那時候有跟主委談論到說因為我們收到這筆錢假設上路之後收到750你們的說法是說我們的同仁的業務量增加嘛對不對那但是我們收到的這筆錢卻不能夠去徵聘人員你們也不能拿來自己用你們當初的說法是這樣子依照預算法應該也是這個到國庫去統籌分配嘛所以說收了這一筆錢他並沒有辦法這個減緩我們同仁的工作壓力\n342225\t362908\t他可能最大的一個功能就是以價自量我把單價提高了那你可能就是相對起來民眾進來這個網購通訊產品的數量可能會因此減少而間接減少我們工作的這個同仁的工作量我想如果說真的要有什麼效果的話就是這樣子而已啦\n363208\t385006\t那我看我們同仁也是否認這樣子的一個說法那所以說我們做的這件事情完全也沒有辦法達到我們的一個目的嘛所以說當初討論說後續是不是由我們NCC來跟行政院來爭取預算來可能增加我們電腦設備一些審核的機制那我們後續的實際上做法有沒有在進行當中\n387308\t405778\t跟委員回應報告大概幾點第一點就是我們依據我們組織法我們收到的一些規費會有14%會轉到我們通常基金去那邊大概就會有一小部分的可以處理那另外一個角度來看也是跟委員報告過用大水庫的概念我們在115年有編相關的預算來處理這一塊那如果說國庫\n410521\t430639\t就是是人員的增編嗎?還是我們可能系統的一些協助我們的人員?系統協助系統的人員嘛,所以我們有編到115的預算那如果立法院通過的話,我們同仁的工作壓力就可以減輕那未來可能這個民眾持續在做相關的網購的時候我們也不會再想要再用這個增加這個規費的方式來做一個行政處分嘛對不對?\n434716\t460107\t是的 我們會加速 未來希望能夠加速審查這方面來講所以我當初就有 也是跟那天我們的溝通是非常愉快嘛我們希望說 既然國家已經收過錢了我們關這個貨物進來 海關會收一次錢 處理費那也會超過2000元 也會有相關的稅金那如果說真的我們的NCC在業務上遇到了一些壓力 增加壓力的時候 那應該是從\n461670\t491145\t我們已經收到的錢這一邊去調配給我們NCC讓我們NCC有更大的量能來處理我們民眾的這個可能檢驗的一個需求那所以後續我們的所有可能長期以來有在這個自用啦當然商用的部分當然這是另外一回事嘛商用的部分就是必須要這個繳交相關的規費那自用的部分我們後續應該就是沒有任何的計畫會跟民眾來收錢我可以這樣子理解嗎謝謝委員委員剛剛的說也是我們現在未來處理的方向之一\n491485\t492432\t好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席喔 麻煩我們那個陳代理主委請主委文豪好 謝謝 謝謝我們陳代理主委喔那先請教一下代理主委啊 說文解釋一下啦喔 這個緊鑼密鼓是什麼意思啊這個剛剛可能我有 也有問到 這個緊鑼密鼓對你的對你對中文的理解 緊鑼密鼓大概是怎樣的一個狀態\n中文上一般通念上是認為就是加快節奏加快節奏嘛那這個我們的院長從去年的11月底就說在緊鑼密鼓的徵詢我們的委員嘛對不對那目前這個已經過了四五個月了嘛好像大家對於這個緊鑼密鼓的解讀不太一樣啦那我想確認一下我們的這個委員徵詢啊\n是院這邊決定就好還是院有交辦我們NCC去徵詢人員各位您報告在依組織法的規定這是行政院的職權行政院的職權所以在院長這個徵詢的這個階段我們目前我們的NCC並沒有接收到任何的一個行政院來的一個諮詢\n對這一部分NCC沒有角色沒有沒有吧那您也沒有您有沒有主動去提問過因為你們可能在業務上也有說你們可能遭遇了一些困難你們有沒有主動的去跟行政院去請教一下相關的進度這樣子我們有私底下有在體系內行政體系內有跟相關的長官有反應過有反應過那他是怎麼跟您做說明的\n大致就是說就是 警農密鼓就一規定處理就是一規定處理所以說你自己目前這邊也完全是沒有相關的一個棲身表嗎對我這邊沒有角色也也沒有吳總長吳崇智希\n好我想這個分層分層啦我尊重啦你的權限不到或許你們就沒有辦法決定啦不過我相信啦這個大家有說六月多可能有一些換照的問題啦我相信喔這個可能華市啊台市啊中市等等換照可能對你們來說無關痛癢那我相信可能三立民司要換照的時候你們就會很快的去補足了啦\n不過我們都一視同仁一視同仁好謝謝我們主委那另外我請教一下我們最近NCC這個是不是有發函去給中廣去詢問部分的主持人可能是這個王淺秋啊還是歷史哥啊去詢問為什麼他們的相關的節目的來賓可能對他們來說就是對你們來說都是偏藍的一個政治色彩背景的這個訪談人員有沒有發這樣子的函\n基本上我們都尊重新聞媒體的編輯自由理應上我們應該是不會來介入的那這邊細節我們是所以我要確認有沒有確認有沒有我們請我們林處長來補充不好意思我可能要確認一下不過如果是有的話應該是民眾的意見我們轉達而已我們不會問這個部分說他的來賓是不是有政治色彩\n那如果你幫他問一定是可能他涉及到了某些規定的可能不符合我們NCC的規定你才去問他嘛你也不會無緣無故民眾你會去函詢他說你今天中餐是什麼嗎這有關你的業務嘛一定是有關你的業務你才會去詢問嘛是這樣就民眾的可能對於節目有一些內容的表達那我們是想把民眾的意見轉資給電台而已好所以你們就是轉資所以他回不回你有沒有關係沒有關係\n民眾如果請他要回覆可能就是電台這部分就要回覆給當事呃陳情人這樣子他不回覆會怎麼樣嗎\n不過因為電視或者是廣播你們鼓勵他回覆啦應該是這樣講啦沒有強制性啦客服跟這個閱聽眾的服務啦好所以就是這個廣電媒體就相關邀約的來賓都是充分尊重是的尊重他們那如果說民眾陳情的話那你們就韓轉他是同意由電視台或是廣播電台來回覆的話我們會轉給電視台或是廣播來回覆你們就是單純韓轉但是可能\n裡面可能並沒有涉及到相關的NCC的電信或是媒體相關的法令除非他有違反譬如說是節目廣告的話或者是工序欄署等等那常常是後續的依照相關的程序來處理可是如果是單單的對於主持人的一些意見或是來賓的身份你們是充分的尊重是是是好 謝謝那這樣子我也相信我們後續就是依照這樣子的相關規定也讓他們收到可能公漢的人能夠了解一下好 謝謝\n再回顧一下當初我們這個750元之亂那當然其實有人說當初也有這個公告嘛那其實我也承認啦那時候其實立法院確實沒有注意到我們大部分的委員是沒有注意到我們海巡那最後上路的時候確實也造成了這個社會的一片這個反韓的聲浪那我們也後續也調整了啦\n那我那時候有跟主委談論到說因為我們收到這筆錢假設上路之後收到750你們的說法是說我們的同仁的業務量增加嘛對不對那但是我們收到的這筆錢卻不能夠去徵聘人員你們也不能拿來自己用你們當初的說法是這樣子依照預算法應該也是這個到國庫去統籌分配嘛所以說收了這一筆錢他並沒有辦法這個減緩我們同仁的工作壓力\n他可能最大的一個功能就是以價自量我把單價提高了那你可能就是相對起來民眾進來這個網購通訊產品的數量可能會因此減少而間接減少我們工作的這個同仁的工作量我想如果說真的要有什麼效果的話就是這樣子而已啦\n那我看我們同仁也是否認這樣子的一個說法那所以說我們做的這件事情完全也沒有辦法達到我們的一個目的嘛所以說當初討論說後續是不是由我們NCC來跟行政院來爭取預算來可能增加我們電腦設備一些審核的機制那我們後續的實際上做法有沒有在進行當中\n跟委員回應報告大概幾點第一點就是我們依據我們組織法我們收到的一些規費會有14%會轉到我們通常基金去那邊大概就會有一小部分的可以處理那另外一個角度來看也是跟委員報告過用大水庫的概念我們在115年有編相關的預算來處理這一塊那如果說國庫\n就是是人員的增編嗎?還是我們可能系統的一些協助我們的人員?系統協助系統的人員嘛,所以我們有編到115的預算那如果立法院通過的話,我們同仁的工作壓力就可以減輕那未來可能這個民眾持續在做相關的網購的時候我們也不會再想要再用這個增加這個規費的方式來做一個行政處分嘛對不對?\n是的 我們會加速 未來希望能夠加速審查這方面來講所以我當初就有 也是跟那天我們的溝通是非常愉快嘛我們希望說 既然國家已經收過錢了我們關這個貨物進來 海關會收一次錢 處理費那也會超過2000元 也會有相關的稅金那如果說真的我們的NCC在業務上遇到了一些壓力 增加壓力的時候 那應該是從\n我們已經收到的錢這一邊去調配給我們NCC讓我們NCC有更大的量能來處理我們民眾的這個可能檢驗的一個需求那所以後續我們的所有可能長期以來有在這個自用啦當然商用的部分當然這是另外一回事嘛商用的部分就是必須要這個繳交相關的規費那自用的部分我們後續應該就是沒有任何的計畫會跟民眾來收錢我可以這樣子理解嗎謝謝委員委員剛剛的說也是我們現在未來處理的方向之一\n好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.451 --> 00:08.314\n好謝謝主席喔麻煩我們那個陳代理主委請主委文豪好謝謝謝謝我們陳代理主委喔那先請教一下代理主委啊說文解釋一下啦喔這個緊鑼密鼓是什麼意思啊這個剛剛可能我有也有問到這個緊鑼密鼓對你的對你對中文的理解緊鑼密鼓大概是怎樣的一個狀態\n\n00:31.782 --> 00:56.497\n中文上一般通念上是認為就是加快節奏加快節奏嘛那這個我們的院長從去年的11月底就說在緊鑼密鼓的徵詢我們的委員嘛對不對那目前這個已經過了四五個月了嘛好像大家對於這個緊鑼密鼓的解讀不太一樣啦那我想確認一下我們的這個委員徵詢啊\n\n00:57.538 --> 01:18.448\n是院這邊決定就好還是院有交辦我們NCC去徵詢人員各位您報告在依組織法的規定這是行政院的職權行政院的職權所以在院長這個徵詢的這個階段我們目前我們的NCC並沒有接收到任何的一個行政院來的一個諮詢\n\n01:20.285 --> 01:46.930\n對這一部分NCC沒有角色沒有沒有吧那您也沒有您有沒有主動去提問過因為你們可能在業務上也有說你們可能遭遇了一些困難你們有沒有主動的去跟行政院去請教一下相關的進度這樣子我們有私底下有在體系內行政體系內有跟相關的長官有反應過有反應過那他是怎麼跟您做說明的\n\n01:47.762 --> 02:00.982\n大致就是說就是警農密鼓就一規定處理就是一規定處理所以說你自己目前這邊也完全是沒有相關的一個棲身表嗎對我這邊沒有角色也也沒有吳總長吳崇智希\n\n02:01.425 --> 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