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00:03:12,913\n對但是我看到說我們我國與就是OACD的聯盟各國的相比我國的人口數策略中對一兒子支持規模明顯是不足所以我們國發會的人口策略白皮書是否有考慮就是納入還有我們家庭政策與托育系統\n\n9\n00:03:15,013 --> 00:03:24,796\n具體的指標我們也沒有看到所以或者改善我們的育兒園推動委員會由我們國發會擔任一個統整的平台有嗎有這樣子的策略嗎還是說我們要拿這個行政院的等級但是說就沒辦法這樣\n\n10\n00:03:36,699 --> 00:04:00,668\n報告委員目前確實那個行政院這邊還是由行政院這邊來做督導那這個部分我們目前就是那個行政院這個這一部分那個除了政委這邊以外他相關的一些對策計畫的一個執行檢討其實還會再上報到院長主持的受福推動委員會其實是一個行政院我們要的是說方法對\n\n11\n00:04:02,528 --> 00:04:06,712\n方法不只是開會每個都開會哪開哪沒開都不會買開業不會我們不是要這樣我們要說我們要有具體的具體的策略具體的策略大家才能是\n\n12\n00:04:19,083 --> 00:04:43,071\n才能真正的是減少少子化不是只是說就是各個等級但是我們國發會是可以去統整的不是只是跟行政院開會而已這個部分我們希望是有一個具體的策略這個方案讓我們人民看到因為我們現在年輕人少子化\n\n13\n00:04:44,572 --> 00:04:50,677\n看到你這樣子的評估怕就怕死啊哪有誰要生小孩但是我們要怎麼樣讓我們少子化去減少一些我們的經濟的壓力還有讓我們的年輕人他們真正的覺得是說有希望啦對不對我有希望我生活過得好我生個小孩我可以養得起啊\n\n14\n00:05:09,233 --> 00:05:15,536\n但是我們是我們的策略讓我們年輕人就沒辦法又要怎麼死所以說少子化就變成我們國安的問題要不然叫我們老人跟我們的老人去當兵要去顧國家那不可能所以說我們國發會有一些策略說讓更多的我們外來的人進來這邊讀書\n\n15\n00:05:34,845 --> 00:05:52,909\n挣扎我们学校的学生但是我们有没有解决我们台湾的人口啊我们要把这些费用要去补助我们的台湾的人口我们让我们的年轻人小孩子读书不用钱不是把我们人民的纳税钱\n\n16\n00:05:57,010 --> 00:06:22,830\n這樣根本就是策略嗎就是一時嘛知標不知本對不對我們希望的我們國發會要編列要整合各個部會要把這些經費給我們在地的年輕人讓他們結婚生子才能鞏固我們的台灣不是拿錢解決的就是讓大家看到的數量說我要解決多少\n\n17\n00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:50,202\n大學生已經沒有打對不對又解決多少企業缺工都是白人的孩子啊台灣的孩子呢都沒有人照顧我們生小孩什麼都是什麼事情都自己照顧自己要出錢讀書也是自己的但是我們要去國外去討好別人叫別人來讀書我給他免費包豬包吃什麼的但是我們的小孩呢\n\n18\n00:06:51,362 --> 00:07:16,327\n誰來包?政府會不會來包?沒有啊,誰要敢生?生了沒人吃,自己的肚子餓,要怎麼去養孩子?對不對?所以我們希望我們台灣要有策略對我們的年輕人,還有說讓大家覺得說我要生這個小孩,不是成為我的負擔是為了國家的未來\n\n19\n00:07:17,907 --> 00:07:27,109\n所以我們希望說改善的就是我們的一額的福利還有提高我們住房可以就是負擔的還有改善我們的工作環境經濟知識要穩定所以我們要提高交易的預算還有\n\n20\n00:07:46,014 --> 00:07:47,636\n讓我們的年輕人可以負擔得起小孩可以讀書,可以補習,讀得更好還可以丟啊,對不對,不然拿小孩給錢都給別人所以我們要推動移民政策是解決\n\n21\n00:08:02,154 --> 00:08:19,292\n現在的但是未來呢對不對我們要未來讓小孩看到未來才敢結婚才敢生子這個才是我們要做的不要說推估一堆讓人家就怕死人啊但是呢少子化就沒辦法沒辦法的人連天出去都沒看到一個年輕人\n\n22\n00:08:24,148 --> 00:08:41,781\n這樣覺得對我們的策略所以我們要具體的掃紙花的策略是針對我們台灣的年輕人如何讓他們結婚生子台灣人什麼叫真正的台灣人沒死啊就把人帶來這裡我們就來這裡我們就生一大堆人人說台灣都給你啊但是你就沒死要怎麼樣\n\n23\n00:08:47,626 --> 00:09:16,001\n是我們的問題嗎還是你的問題所以我們希望我們的讓我們新住民在台灣有保障生活他們的小孩未來是你們的媳婦你們的女婿但是我們在台灣的年輕人如何讓他們有生活保障對不對工作環境也好有經濟收入可以養父母又養雙方的父母\n\n24\n00:09:17,432 --> 00:09:38,618\n四個老人都養不起了再來說你孩子沒孝因為沒孝大家都沒孝沒人沒養老大人自己都賺沒辦法養老大人所以我們希望我們讓我們年輕人無負擔他們才能結婚生子台灣才有未來\n\n25\n00:09:39,898 --> 00:09:46,540\n可以做得到嗎謝謝委員這我們行政院各部會會繼續來努力國發會要去整合各部會要把一些錢要花在道口上我們讓我們國家發展我們要讓我們的人口增加希望我們國發會有具體的策略真正的幫助到我們台灣\n\n26\n00:10:05,204 --> 00:10:15,989\n少子化還有讓我們年輕人可以掙扎我們的人口這個就是希望我國會給我們具體的計畫送到我的辦公室以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8367\t9989\t謝謝主席有請國發會委員好\n24255\t33880\t我想要請教一下我們依據國發會的人口推估報告我國總人口到2070年的時候會剩下1497萬人大幅減少840萬人\n45138\t73041\t台湾我们今年的65岁的老人口已经占比例超过20%也是进入就是超高龄社会的这样子的预估所以你觉得这样子会有国安危机吗还有说我们有没有说日本在2023年已经成立儿童家庭\n74002\t99261\t以統治就是少子化的政策我們請問我們國發會對少子化的辦公室是不是可以提升為委員會的等級我們國發會的看法又態度又如何還是說不要提升服務的功能只要增加預算就好\n100441\t114512\t謝謝委員的關心那其實目前在整體的就是在行政院的分工上面我們目前的少子化的議題已經提高到行政院的層級那是由眾務委員來統籌那他會督導相關的權責部會包括我們今天出席的衛福部教育部勞動部甚至內政部等等相關部會但是效力呢\n129063\t132627\t效率在哪裡 不要說就是人口退估怕死人少子化就看不壞的人\n138889\t157158\t對吧是不是這樣所以我們要的是效果所以說我們要提升但是的效果或者是的策略是什麼我們想要看到的是這個報告委員其實誠如今天各部會所提出來的那從其實我們107年就開始推動少子女化對策計畫那這個計畫其實是統合各部會的一個相關的一個努力\n167303\t192913\t對 但是我看到說我們我國與就是OACD的聯盟各國的相比我國的人口數策略中對一兒子支持規模明顯是不足所以我們國發會的人口策略白皮書是否有考慮就是納入還有我們家庭政策與托育系統\n195013\t204796\t具體的指標我們也沒有看到所以或者改善我們的育兒園推動委員會由我們國發會擔任一個統整的平台有嗎 有這樣子的策略嗎 還是說我們要拿這個行政院的等級 但是說就沒辦法這樣\n216699\t240668\t報告委員目前確實那個行政院這邊還是由行政院這邊來做督導那這個部分我們目前就是那個行政院這個這一部分那個除了政委這邊以外他相關的一些對策計畫的一個執行檢討其實還會再上報到院長主持的受福推動委員會其實是一個行政院我們要的是說方法對\n242528\t246712\t方法不只是開會 每個都開會 哪開哪沒開 都不會買開業不會 我們不是要這樣 我們要說我們要有具體的具體的策略具體的策略 大家才能是\n259083\t283071\t才能真正的是減少少子化不是只是說就是各個等級但是我們國發會是可以去統整的不是只是跟行政院開會而已這個部分我們希望是有一個具體的策略這個方案讓我們人民看到因為我們現在年輕人少子化\n284572\t290677\t看到你這樣子的評估 怕就怕死啊 哪有誰要生小孩但是我們要怎麼樣讓我們少子化去減少一些我們的經濟的壓力還有讓我們的年輕人他們真正的覺得是說有希望啦 對不對我有希望 我生活過得好 我生個小孩我可以養得起啊\n309233\t315536\t但是我們是我們的策略讓我們年輕人就沒辦法 又要怎麼死所以說少子化就變成我們國安的問題要不然叫我們老人跟我們的老人去當兵 要去顧國家 那不可能所以說我們國發會有一些策略說讓更多的我們外來的人進來這邊讀書\n334845\t352909\t挣扎我们学校的学生但是我们有没有解决我们台湾的人口啊我们要把这些费用要去补助我们的台湾的人口我们让我们的年轻人小孩子读书不用钱不是把我们人民的纳税钱\n357010\t382830\t這樣根本就是策略嗎就是一時嘛 知標不知本對不對 我們希望的我們國發會要編列要整合各個部會要把這些經費給我們在地的年輕人讓他們結婚生子才能鞏固我們的台灣不是拿錢解決的就是讓大家看到的數量說我要解決多少\n383430\t410202\t大學生已經沒有打對不對 又解決多少企業缺工都是白人的孩子啊 台灣的孩子呢都沒有人照顧我們生小孩什麼都是什麼事情都自己照顧自己要出錢 讀書也是自己的但是我們要去國外去討好別人 叫別人來讀書我給他免費包豬包吃什麼的但是我們的小孩呢\n411362\t436327\t誰來包?政府會不會來包?沒有啊,誰要敢生?生了沒人吃,自己的肚子餓,要怎麼去養孩子?對不對?所以我們希望我們台灣要有策略對我們的年輕人,還有說讓大家覺得說我要生這個小孩,不是成為我的負擔是為了國家的未來\n437907\t447109\t所以我們希望說改善的就是我們的一額的福利還有提高我們住房可以就是負擔的還有改善我們的工作環境經濟知識要穩定所以我們要提高交易的預算還有\n466014\t467636\t讓我們的年輕人可以負擔得起小孩可以讀書,可以補習,讀得更好還可以丟啊,對不對,不然拿小孩給錢都給別人所以我們要推動移民政策是解決\n482154\t499292\t現在的 但是未來呢 對不對 我們要未來讓小孩看到未來才敢結婚 才敢生子這個才是我們要做的 不要說推估一堆 讓人家就怕死人啊但是呢 少子化就沒辦法 沒辦法的人連天出去都沒看到一個年輕人\n504148\t521781\t這樣覺得對我們的策略 所以我們要具體的掃紙花的策略是針對我們台灣的年輕人 如何讓他們結婚生子台灣人 什麼叫真正的台灣人沒死啊 就把人帶來這裡 我們就來這裡 我們就生一大堆人人說台灣都給你啊 但是你就沒死 要怎麼樣\n527626\t556001\t是我們的問題嗎 還是你的問題所以我們希望我們的讓我們新住民在台灣有保障生活他們的小孩未來是你們的媳婦你們的女婿但是我們在台灣的年輕人如何讓他們有生活保障對不對 工作環境也好有經濟收入可以養父母又養雙方的父母\n557432\t578618\t四個老人都養不起了再來說你孩子沒孝因為沒孝大家都沒孝沒人沒養老大人自己都賺沒辦法養老大人所以我們希望我們讓我們年輕人無負擔他們才能結婚生子台灣才有未來\n579898\t586540\t可以做得到嗎謝謝委員 這我們行政院各部會會繼續來努力國發會要去整合各部會要把一些錢要花在道口上我們讓我們國家發展我們要讓我們的人口增加希望我們國發會有具體的策略真正的幫助到我們台灣\n605204\t615989\t少子化還有讓我們年輕人可以掙扎我們的人口這個就是希望我國會給我們具體的計畫送到我的辦公室以上謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請國發會委員好\n我想要請教一下我們依據國發會的人口推估報告我國總人口到2070年的時候會剩下1497萬人大幅減少840萬人\n台湾我们今年的65岁的老人口已经占比例超过20%也是进入就是超高龄社会的这样子的预估所以你觉得这样子会有国安危机吗还有说我们有没有说日本在2023年已经成立儿童家庭\n以統治就是少子化的政策我們請問我們國發會對少子化的辦公室是不是可以提升為委員會的等級我們國發會的看法又態度又如何還是說不要提升服務的功能只要增加預算就好\n謝謝委員的關心那其實目前在整體的就是在行政院的分工上面我們目前的少子化的議題已經提高到行政院的層級那是由眾務委員來統籌那他會督導相關的權責部會包括我們今天出席的衛福部教育部勞動部甚至內政部等等相關部會但是效力呢\n效率在哪裡 不要說就是人口退估怕死人少子化就看不壞的人\n對吧是不是這樣所以我們要的是效果所以說我們要提升但是的效果或者是的策略是什麼我們想要看到的是這個報告委員其實誠如今天各部會所提出來的那從其實我們107年就開始推動少子女化對策計畫那這個計畫其實是統合各部會的一個相關的一個努力\n對 但是我看到說我們我國與就是OACD的聯盟各國的相比我國的人口數策略中對一兒子支持規模明顯是不足所以我們國發會的人口策略白皮書是否有考慮就是納入還有我們家庭政策與托育系統\n具體的指標我們也沒有看到所以或者改善我們的育兒園推動委員會由我們國發會擔任一個統整的平台有嗎 有這樣子的策略嗎 還是說我們要拿這個行政院的等級 但是說就沒辦法這樣\n報告委員目前確實那個行政院這邊還是由行政院這邊來做督導那這個部分我們目前就是那個行政院這個這一部分那個除了政委這邊以外他相關的一些對策計畫的一個執行檢討其實還會再上報到院長主持的受福推動委員會其實是一個行政院我們要的是說方法對\n方法不只是開會 每個都開會 哪開哪沒開 都不會買開業不會 我們不是要這樣 我們要說我們要有具體的具體的策略具體的策略 大家才能是\n才能真正的是減少少子化不是只是說就是各個等級但是我們國發會是可以去統整的不是只是跟行政院開會而已這個部分我們希望是有一個具體的策略這個方案讓我們人民看到因為我們現在年輕人少子化\n看到你這樣子的評估 怕就怕死啊 哪有誰要生小孩但是我們要怎麼樣讓我們少子化去減少一些我們的經濟的壓力還有讓我們的年輕人他們真正的覺得是說有希望啦 對不對我有希望 我生活過得好 我生個小孩我可以養得起啊\n但是我們是我們的策略讓我們年輕人就沒辦法 又要怎麼死所以說少子化就變成我們國安的問題要不然叫我們老人跟我們的老人去當兵 要去顧國家 那不可能所以說我們國發會有一些策略說讓更多的我們外來的人進來這邊讀書\n挣扎我们学校的学生但是我们有没有解决我们台湾的人口啊我们要把这些费用要去补助我们的台湾的人口我们让我们的年轻人小孩子读书不用钱不是把我们人民的纳税钱\n這樣根本就是策略嗎就是一時嘛 知標不知本對不對 我們希望的我們國發會要編列要整合各個部會要把這些經費給我們在地的年輕人讓他們結婚生子才能鞏固我們的台灣不是拿錢解決的就是讓大家看到的數量說我要解決多少\n大學生已經沒有打對不對 又解決多少企業缺工都是白人的孩子啊 台灣的孩子呢都沒有人照顧我們生小孩什麼都是什麼事情都自己照顧自己要出錢 讀書也是自己的但是我們要去國外去討好別人 叫別人來讀書我給他免費包豬包吃什麼的但是我們的小孩呢\n誰來包?政府會不會來包?沒有啊,誰要敢生?生了沒人吃,自己的肚子餓,要怎麼去養孩子?對不對?所以我們希望我們台灣要有策略對我們的年輕人,還有說讓大家覺得說我要生這個小孩,不是成為我的負擔是為了國家的未來\n所以我們希望說改善的就是我們的一額的福利還有提高我們住房可以就是負擔的還有改善我們的工作環境經濟知識要穩定所以我們要提高交易的預算還有\n讓我們的年輕人可以負擔得起小孩可以讀書,可以補習,讀得更好還可以丟啊,對不對,不然拿小孩給錢都給別人所以我們要推動移民政策是解決\n現在的 但是未來呢 對不對 我們要未來讓小孩看到未來才敢結婚 才敢生子這個才是我們要做的 不要說推估一堆 讓人家就怕死人啊但是呢 少子化就沒辦法 沒辦法的人連天出去都沒看到一個年輕人\n這樣覺得對我們的策略 所以我們要具體的掃紙花的策略是針對我們台灣的年輕人 如何讓他們結婚生子台灣人 什麼叫真正的台灣人沒死啊 就把人帶來這裡 我們就來這裡 我們就生一大堆人人說台灣都給你啊 但是你就沒死 要怎麼樣\n是我們的問題嗎 還是你的問題所以我們希望我們的讓我們新住民在台灣有保障生活他們的小孩未來是你們的媳婦你們的女婿但是我們在台灣的年輕人如何讓他們有生活保障對不對 工作環境也好有經濟收入可以養父母又養雙方的父母\n四個老人都養不起了再來說你孩子沒孝因為沒孝大家都沒孝沒人沒養老大人自己都賺沒辦法養老大人所以我們希望我們讓我們年輕人無負擔他們才能結婚生子台灣才有未來\n可以做得到嗎謝謝委員 這我們行政院各部會會繼續來努力國發會要去整合各部會要把一些錢要花在道口上我們讓我們國家發展我們要讓我們的人口增加希望我們國發會有具體的策略真正的幫助到我們台灣\n少子化還有讓我們年輕人可以掙扎我們的人口這個就是希望我國會給我們具體的計畫送到我的辦公室以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.367 --> 00:09.989\n謝謝主席有請國發會委員好\n\n00:24.255 --> 00:33.880\n我想要請教一下我們依據國發會的人口推估報告我國總人口到2070年的時候會剩下1497萬人大幅減少840萬人\n\n00:45.138 --> 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