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00:01:32,637\n在整個少子化最主要是我們國發會這邊在努力當作統籌的狀態那我想說又脫工作這邊的時候這幾年一直碰到一個三高的狀態高工時高情緒高壓力還有三低的狀態薪資低然後福利低跟保障低這樣的一個工作的窘境那我想說想請教一下那個\n\n5\n00:01:35,157 --> 00:01:45,621\n衛福部呂政次托育人現在流動力的情況有沒有改善因為這邊還有一個右膠的一個問題相關的兩塊有兩塊\n\n6\n00:01:53,865 --> 00:02:06,623\n你們就是衛福部這邊管的就是比方說我們這邊是零到二那二到六部分是由那個教育部那我跟委員報告你先跟委員報告一下\n\n7\n00:02:09,392 --> 00:02:29,817\n跟委員報告這幾年來我們對於零到二的這些幼托人員的照顧現場我們怎麼樣去降低他的流動率我們大概會透過幾個主要的策略第一個是當然是薪資的部分我們會做一部分的處理在今年一四年的時候公托人員的薪資我們從三萬五千多調到三萬八千多\n\n8\n00:02:30,537 --> 00:02:51,497\n第二個我們對於照顧現場照顧人員的比例現行的法規規定托嬰中心只要1比5我們現在透過補助降到1比4增加補助的部分照顧現場的負擔可以讓工作人員的負擔可以降低一點\n\n9\n00:02:51,917 --> 00:03:03,693\nOK那我想請問一下教育部一下因為教育部這問題比較嚴重因為目前每年大概有4200名的一個幼教跟幼保的教科系的一個畢業生進入職場的有多少\n\n10\n00:03:04,781 --> 00:03:32,460\n相關職場的比例有多少委員這個資料我們可不可以匯後提供給可以因為剛剛有一個委員講15%而已我覺得怎麼會比我想像中的更低那我想這邊要特別提到一個狀態是這個是去年全國教保產業公會他們所提出的狀態他們認為誘託人員期待的照顧現場大概會有幾點的一個特質比方說友善職場的部分希望師生比能夠降低剛剛大概有提到一個部分\n\n11\n00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:51,766\n那另外就是針對整個信任幼教的一個專業然後心智的一個剛剛也有稍微提到的狀態那針對一個親師的一個信任這個部分坦白說一直出現有一些的一個衝突跟緊張的一個關係那針對這個部分的時候我們今年有沒有比較清楚的一個改善請教一下那個副署長這邊\n\n12\n00:03:56,351 --> 00:04:05,141\n那在幼兒園的部分親事我們大概分成兩部分如果老師其實對班金怎麼樣獲得家長的信任是一件非常重要的事情\n\n13\n00:04:05,819 --> 00:04:33,056\n所以呢這兩三年來對於老師怎麼提升他班級經營的專業能力我們是有非常多的工作方跟研習以及輔導在進行那家長的部分來講我們也讓家長可以理解那兩歲到六歲的孩子在幼兒園他的學習任務是什麼所以我們補助縣市政府補助幼兒園他們來辦親職教育的講座那也希望讓他們彼此可以理解我想直接接下來下一頁就是說\n\n14\n00:04:34,537 --> 00:04:52,662\n今年就是我們育兒補助大概有六大類那育兒補助六大類當中的時候生育給付這邊的時候大概主要是勞動部這邊給那各縣市的生育津貼就各縣市給那麼育兒津貼這邊的部分的時候是衛福部給衛福部給的部分那金額大概在這邊應該都沒有錯\n\n15\n00:04:54,062 --> 00:05:12,467\n那在育兒津貼跟托育補助跟幼兒園補助這邊的時候我們就發現他是僅能擇一那0到3歲的托育補助這邊的時候也是衛福部這邊在處理那2到6歲這邊幼兒園補助這邊的時候呢其實是教育部這邊在處理那另外就是0到3歲的一個\n\n16\n00:05:13,391 --> 00:05:41,170\n育嬰留職停薪津貼這邊的部分那勞動部這邊相關那我這邊這個圖出來之後我想特別提一個狀態就是私立幼兒園在這個過程當中的時候呢他們家長大概每個月大概只能夠選擇領取五千塊的一個育兒津貼這個部分因為其他的部分都沒有辦法去選擇可是以新竹這個地區來說的時候呢其實我們公立幼兒園准公幼的部分\n\n17\n00:05:41,610 --> 00:06:03,523\n其實都沒有辦法真正滿足家長的需求除了說收費他們相對優惠之外的時候因為他們公立幼兒園他們下午4點放學那寒暑假沒有收拖那這狀態對大部分家長來講是一個很大的困擾那麼准公幼這邊的時候可以延長到大概下午7點鐘放學可是他沒有才藝班\n\n18\n00:06:04,984 --> 00:06:30,941\n所以這對家長來講也沒有辦法真正的滿足所以很多家長被迫他們要去選擇私立幼兒園因為私立幼兒園他們可以延長家長的一個下班的時間可以到晚上8點甚至於有到9點的都可以配合然後他們有才藝班當然他們收費貴可是這狀態來講就是因為我們現在的一個又拖整個又叫一個相當的一個\n\n19\n00:06:32,677 --> 00:06:50,769\n公托跟公幼的狀態都沒有辦法真正滿足家長的一個狀態那逼著他們一定要到市立幼兒園去可是他們得到的一個補助相對是比較低的話我們以2到6歲幼兒園來講第一胎的時候呢公幼跟非營利幼兒園跟總公幼他們家長只要付1000塊\n\n20\n00:06:52,754 --> 00:07:16,874\n只要付一千塊那就表示大部分都是我們教育部這邊幫他買單了那相較之下的時候送到私立幼兒園的家長來講他們就要負擔很高昂的一個費用那我想這個也是一個因為我們現在的一個幼托的一個狀態沒有辦法滿足家長的一個狀態所以大家覺得新竹這邊可能是最有錢的家長可是他們未必也能夠這麼感生\n\n21\n00:07:19,195 --> 00:07:36,222\n所以我在想說可不可以針對私立幼兒園這邊的一個補貼的一個部分我們教育部這邊有另外一個考量或者來看怎麼樣子給他們更好的一個支持讓年輕的家長們他們真的感生而且可以兼顧到工作上的需求\n\n22\n00:07:41,394 --> 00:08:10,508\n好那委員就教育部的部分大概說明一下因為在整個二到六歲他的政策主軸有兩個區塊有一個是擴大平價教保服務讓多一點的小朋友可以進到這個體系來那以現在全國那小朋友進到平價教保服務的機會率我們算過大概是八成那當然您提及的就是在新竹可能當地的價格會稍微高一點那事實上新竹市他可以比較像台北市\n\n23\n00:08:11,175 --> 00:08:26,392\n那在我們的合作費用上面新竹市是可以來做調整的那這個他們是可以做因為台北市就有這樣子的例子在那對我們的政策就是擴大評價讓多一點進來至於沒有進到評價的體系他可能會是家長自己照顧\n\n24\n00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:50,460\n也有可能是進到一般的私立幼兒園去就讀那目前來講統一都是津貼的標準在做支應副市長我想說這個問題的時候我希望說能夠幫一些送到私幼的家長爭取更多的一個福利然後讓他們真的是有能力生也敢生又能夠兼顧\n\n25\n00:08:51,261 --> 00:09:11,592\n工作上面的一個需求那之後是我想說再給我們本席一個比方說包括我們國發會這邊相關的一個部分因為這個部分可能它是一個制度上面的一個改變所以我也希望說衛福部這邊能夠一起統籌看怎麼樣子能夠一起解決這個問題好不好那我想說之後是不是請\n\n26\n00:09:13,453 --> 00:09:21,244\n教育部這邊給本席一個相關的資料好不好好好謝謝以上好感謝政委員好謝謝政委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8249\t20886\t謝謝主席我想找一下那個請那個我們國發會副主委然後衛生福利部的呂正次然後我們教育部的國遣署的徐副署長謝謝\n35519\t50449\t市長好謝謝主席今天特別安排少子女化衝擊如何營造友善托育環境這個主題因為坦白說去年農年的時候其實人口沒有增加確實我們也非常的意外而且也非常的擔心\n51209\t69722\t那去年的新出生率只到13.5萬那確實是一個很令人憂心的一個環境所以要怎麼樣子去提高更多的新生兒出生的狀態確實是我們國家要話不會一起來努力的一個狀態所以我想說在\n70822\t92637\t在整個少子化最主要是我們國發會這邊在努力當作統籌的狀態那我想說又脫工作這邊的時候這幾年一直碰到一個三高的狀態高工時高情緒高壓力還有三低的狀態薪資低然後福利低跟保障低這樣的一個工作的窘境那我想說想請教一下那個\n95157\t105621\t衛福部 呂政次 托育人現在流動力的情況有沒有改善因為這邊還有一個右膠的一個問題 相關的兩塊 有兩塊\n113865\t126623\t你們就是衛福部這邊管的就是比方說我們這邊是零到二那二到六部分是由那個教育部那我跟委員報告你先跟委員報告一下\n129392\t149817\t跟委員報告這幾年來我們對於零到二的這些幼托人員的照顧現場我們怎麼樣去降低他的流動率我們大概會透過幾個主要的策略第一個是當然是薪資的部分我們會做一部分的處理在今年一四年的時候公托人員的薪資我們從三萬五千多調到三萬八千多\n150537\t171497\t第二個我們對於照顧現場照顧人員的比例現行的法規規定托嬰中心只要1比5我們現在透過補助降到1比4增加補助的部分照顧現場的負擔可以讓工作人員的負擔可以降低一點\n171917\t183693\tOK 那我想請問一下教育部一下因為教育部這問題比較嚴重因為目前每年大概有4200名的一個幼教跟幼保的教科系的一個畢業生進入職場的有多少\n184781\t212460\t相關職場的比例有多少委員這個資料我們可不可以匯後提供給可以 因為剛剛有一個委員講15%而已我覺得怎麼會比我想像中的更低那我想這邊要特別提到一個狀態是這個是去年全國教保產業公會他們所提出的狀態他們認為誘託人員期待的照顧現場大概會有幾點的一個特質比方說友善職場的部分希望師生比能夠降低剛剛大概有提到一個部分\n213200\t231766\t那另外就是針對整個信任幼教的一個專業然後心智的一個剛剛也有稍微提到的狀態那針對一個親師的一個信任這個部分坦白說一直出現有一些的一個衝突跟緊張的一個關係那針對這個部分的時候我們今年有沒有比較清楚的一個改善請教一下那個副署長這邊\n236351\t245141\t那在幼兒園的部分親事我們大概分成兩部分如果老師其實對班金怎麼樣獲得家長的信任是一件非常重要的事情\n245819\t273056\t所以呢這兩三年來對於老師怎麼提升他班級經營的專業能力我們是有非常多的工作方跟研習以及輔導在進行那家長的部分來講我們也讓家長可以理解那兩歲到六歲的孩子在幼兒園他的學習任務是什麼所以我們補助縣市政府補助幼兒園他們來辦親職教育的講座那也希望讓他們彼此可以理解我想直接接下來下一頁就是說\n274537\t292662\t今年就是我們育兒補助大概有六大類那育兒補助六大類當中的時候生育給付這邊的時候大概主要是勞動部這邊給那各縣市的生育津貼就各縣市給那麼育兒津貼這邊的部分的時候是衛福部給衛福部給的部分那金額大概在這邊應該都沒有錯\n294062\t312467\t那在育兒津貼跟托育補助跟幼兒園補助這邊的時候我們就發現他是僅能擇一那0到3歲的托育補助這邊的時候也是衛福部這邊在處理那2到6歲這邊幼兒園補助這邊的時候呢其實是教育部這邊在處理那另外就是0到3歲的一個\n313391\t341170\t育嬰留職停薪津貼這邊的部分那勞動部這邊相關那我這邊這個圖出來之後我想特別提一個狀態就是私立幼兒園在這個過程當中的時候呢他們家長大概每個月大概只能夠選擇領取五千塊的一個育兒津貼這個部分因為其他的部分都沒有辦法去選擇可是以新竹這個地區來說的時候呢其實我們公立幼兒園 准公幼的部分\n341610\t363523\t其實都沒有辦法真正滿足家長的需求除了說收費他們相對優惠之外的時候因為他們公立幼兒園他們下午4點放學那寒暑假沒有收拖那這狀態對大部分家長來講是一個很大的困擾那麼准公幼這邊的時候可以延長到大概下午7點鐘放學可是他沒有才藝班\n364984\t390941\t所以這對家長來講也沒有辦法真正的滿足所以很多家長被迫他們要去選擇私立幼兒園因為私立幼兒園他們可以延長家長的一個下班的時間可以到晚上8點甚至於有到9點的都可以配合然後他們有才藝班當然他們收費貴可是這狀態來講就是因為我們現在的一個又拖整個又叫一個相當的一個\n392677\t410769\t公托跟公幼的狀態都沒有辦法真正滿足家長的一個狀態那逼著他們一定要到市立幼兒園去可是他們得到的一個補助相對是比較低的話我們以2到6歲幼兒園來講第一胎的時候呢公幼跟非營利幼兒園跟總公幼他們家長只要付1000塊\n412754\t436874\t只要付一千塊那就表示大部分都是我們教育部這邊幫他買單了那相較之下的時候送到私立幼兒園的家長來講他們就要負擔很高昂的一個費用那我想這個也是一個因為我們現在的一個幼托的一個狀態沒有辦法滿足家長的一個狀態所以大家覺得新竹這邊可能是最有錢的家長可是他們未必也能夠這麼感生\n439195\t456222\t所以我在想說可不可以針對私立幼兒園這邊的一個補貼的一個部分我們教育部這邊有另外一個考量或者來看怎麼樣子給他們更好的一個支持讓年輕的家長們他們真的感生而且可以兼顧到工作上的需求\n461394\t490508\t好那委員就教育部的部分大概說明一下因為在整個二到六歲他的政策主軸有兩個區塊有一個是擴大平價教保服務讓多一點的小朋友可以進到這個體系來那以現在全國那小朋友進到平價教保服務的機會率我們算過大概是八成那當然您提及的就是在新竹可能當地的價格會稍微高一點那事實上新竹市他可以比較像台北市\n491175\t506392\t那在我們的合作費用上面新竹市是可以來做調整的那這個他們是可以做因為台北市就有這樣子的例子在那對我們的政策就是擴大評價讓多一點進來至於沒有進到評價的體系他可能會是家長自己照顧\n507199\t530460\t也有可能是進到一般的私立幼兒園去就讀那目前來講統一都是津貼的標準在做支應副市長我想說這個問題的時候我希望說能夠幫一些送到私幼的家長爭取更多的一個福利然後讓他們真的是有能力生也敢生又能夠兼顧\n531261\t551592\t工作上面的一個需求那之後是我想說再給我們本席一個比方說包括我們國發會這邊相關的一個部分因為這個部分可能它是一個制度上面的一個改變所以我也希望說衛福部這邊能夠一起統籌看怎麼樣子能夠一起解決這個問題好不好那我想說之後是不是請\n553453\t561244\t教育部這邊給本席一個相關的資料好不好好好謝謝以上好感謝政委員好謝謝政委員謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我想找一下那個請那個我們國發會副主委然後衛生福利部的呂正次然後我們教育部的國遣署的徐副署長謝謝\n市長好謝謝主席今天特別安排少子女化衝擊如何營造友善托育環境這個主題因為坦白說去年農年的時候其實人口沒有增加確實我們也非常的意外而且也非常的擔心\n那去年的新出生率只到13.5萬那確實是一個很令人憂心的一個環境所以要怎麼樣子去提高更多的新生兒出生的狀態確實是我們國家要話不會一起來努力的一個狀態所以我想說在\n在整個少子化最主要是我們國發會這邊在努力當作統籌的狀態那我想說又脫工作這邊的時候這幾年一直碰到一個三高的狀態高工時高情緒高壓力還有三低的狀態薪資低然後福利低跟保障低這樣的一個工作的窘境那我想說想請教一下那個\n衛福部 呂政次 托育人現在流動力的情況有沒有改善因為這邊還有一個右膠的一個問題 相關的兩塊 有兩塊\n你們就是衛福部這邊管的就是比方說我們這邊是零到二那二到六部分是由那個教育部那我跟委員報告你先跟委員報告一下\n跟委員報告這幾年來我們對於零到二的這些幼托人員的照顧現場我們怎麼樣去降低他的流動率我們大概會透過幾個主要的策略第一個是當然是薪資的部分我們會做一部分的處理在今年一四年的時候公托人員的薪資我們從三萬五千多調到三萬八千多\n第二個我們對於照顧現場照顧人員的比例現行的法規規定托嬰中心只要1比5我們現在透過補助降到1比4增加補助的部分照顧現場的負擔可以讓工作人員的負擔可以降低一點\nOK 那我想請問一下教育部一下因為教育部這問題比較嚴重因為目前每年大概有4200名的一個幼教跟幼保的教科系的一個畢業生進入職場的有多少\n相關職場的比例有多少委員這個資料我們可不可以匯後提供給可以 因為剛剛有一個委員講15%而已我覺得怎麼會比我想像中的更低那我想這邊要特別提到一個狀態是這個是去年全國教保產業公會他們所提出的狀態他們認為誘託人員期待的照顧現場大概會有幾點的一個特質比方說友善職場的部分希望師生比能夠降低剛剛大概有提到一個部分\n那另外就是針對整個信任幼教的一個專業然後心智的一個剛剛也有稍微提到的狀態那針對一個親師的一個信任這個部分坦白說一直出現有一些的一個衝突跟緊張的一個關係那針對這個部分的時候我們今年有沒有比較清楚的一個改善請教一下那個副署長這邊\n那在幼兒園的部分親事我們大概分成兩部分如果老師其實對班金怎麼樣獲得家長的信任是一件非常重要的事情\n所以呢這兩三年來對於老師怎麼提升他班級經營的專業能力我們是有非常多的工作方跟研習以及輔導在進行那家長的部分來講我們也讓家長可以理解那兩歲到六歲的孩子在幼兒園他的學習任務是什麼所以我們補助縣市政府補助幼兒園他們來辦親職教育的講座那也希望讓他們彼此可以理解我想直接接下來下一頁就是說\n今年就是我們育兒補助大概有六大類那育兒補助六大類當中的時候生育給付這邊的時候大概主要是勞動部這邊給那各縣市的生育津貼就各縣市給那麼育兒津貼這邊的部分的時候是衛福部給衛福部給的部分那金額大概在這邊應該都沒有錯\n那在育兒津貼跟托育補助跟幼兒園補助這邊的時候我們就發現他是僅能擇一那0到3歲的托育補助這邊的時候也是衛福部這邊在處理那2到6歲這邊幼兒園補助這邊的時候呢其實是教育部這邊在處理那另外就是0到3歲的一個\n育嬰留職停薪津貼這邊的部分那勞動部這邊相關那我這邊這個圖出來之後我想特別提一個狀態就是私立幼兒園在這個過程當中的時候呢他們家長大概每個月大概只能夠選擇領取五千塊的一個育兒津貼這個部分因為其他的部分都沒有辦法去選擇可是以新竹這個地區來說的時候呢其實我們公立幼兒園 准公幼的部分\n其實都沒有辦法真正滿足家長的需求除了說收費他們相對優惠之外的時候因為他們公立幼兒園他們下午4點放學那寒暑假沒有收拖那這狀態對大部分家長來講是一個很大的困擾那麼准公幼這邊的時候可以延長到大概下午7點鐘放學可是他沒有才藝班\n所以這對家長來講也沒有辦法真正的滿足所以很多家長被迫他們要去選擇私立幼兒園因為私立幼兒園他們可以延長家長的一個下班的時間可以到晚上8點甚至於有到9點的都可以配合然後他們有才藝班當然他們收費貴可是這狀態來講就是因為我們現在的一個又拖整個又叫一個相當的一個\n公托跟公幼的狀態都沒有辦法真正滿足家長的一個狀態那逼著他們一定要到市立幼兒園去可是他們得到的一個補助相對是比較低的話我們以2到6歲幼兒園來講第一胎的時候呢公幼跟非營利幼兒園跟總公幼他們家長只要付1000塊\n只要付一千塊那就表示大部分都是我們教育部這邊幫他買單了那相較之下的時候送到私立幼兒園的家長來講他們就要負擔很高昂的一個費用那我想這個也是一個因為我們現在的一個幼托的一個狀態沒有辦法滿足家長的一個狀態所以大家覺得新竹這邊可能是最有錢的家長可是他們未必也能夠這麼感生\n所以我在想說可不可以針對私立幼兒園這邊的一個補貼的一個部分我們教育部這邊有另外一個考量或者來看怎麼樣子給他們更好的一個支持讓年輕的家長們他們真的感生而且可以兼顧到工作上的需求\n好那委員就教育部的部分大概說明一下因為在整個二到六歲他的政策主軸有兩個區塊有一個是擴大平價教保服務讓多一點的小朋友可以進到這個體系來那以現在全國那小朋友進到平價教保服務的機會率我們算過大概是八成那當然您提及的就是在新竹可能當地的價格會稍微高一點那事實上新竹市他可以比較像台北市\n那在我們的合作費用上面新竹市是可以來做調整的那這個他們是可以做因為台北市就有這樣子的例子在那對我們的政策就是擴大評價讓多一點進來至於沒有進到評價的體系他可能會是家長自己照顧\n也有可能是進到一般的私立幼兒園去就讀那目前來講統一都是津貼的標準在做支應副市長我想說這個問題的時候我希望說能夠幫一些送到私幼的家長爭取更多的一個福利然後讓他們真的是有能力生也敢生又能夠兼顧\n工作上面的一個需求那之後是我想說再給我們本席一個比方說包括我們國發會這邊相關的一個部分因為這個部分可能它是一個制度上面的一個改變所以我也希望說衛福部這邊能夠一起統籌看怎麼樣子能夠一起解決這個問題好不好那我想說之後是不是請\n教育部這邊給本席一個相關的資料好不好好好謝謝以上好感謝政委員好謝謝政委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.249 --> 00:20.886\n謝謝主席我想找一下那個請那個我們國發會副主委然後衛生福利部的呂正次然後我們教育部的國遣署的徐副署長謝謝\n\n00:35.519 --> 00:50.449\n市長好謝謝主席今天特別安排少子女化衝擊如何營造友善托育環境這個主題因為坦白說去年農年的時候其實人口沒有增加確實我們也非常的意外而且也非常的擔心\n\n00:51.209 --> 01:09.722\n那去年的新出生率只到13.5萬那確實是一個很令人憂心的一個環境所以要怎麼樣子去提高更多的新生兒出生的狀態確實是我們國家要話不會一起來努力的一個狀態所以我想說在\n\n01:10.822 --> 01:32.637\n在整個少子化最主要是我們國發會這邊在努力當作統籌的狀態那我想說又脫工作這邊的時候這幾年一直碰到一個三高的狀態高工時高情緒高壓力還有三低的狀態薪資低然後福利低跟保障低這樣的一個工作的窘境那我想說想請教一下那個\n\n01:35.157 --> 01:45.621\n衛福部呂政次托育人現在流動力的情況有沒有改善因為這邊還有一個右膠的一個問題相關的兩塊有兩塊\n\n01:53.865 --> 02:06.623\n你們就是衛福部這邊管的就是比方說我們這邊是零到二那二到六部分是由那個教育部那我跟委員報告你先跟委員報告一下\n\n02:09.392 --> 02:29.817\n跟委員報告這幾年來我們對於零到二的這些幼托人員的照顧現場我們怎麼樣去降低他的流動率我們大概會透過幾個主要的策略第一個是當然是薪資的部分我們會做一部分的處理在今年一四年的時候公托人員的薪資我們從三萬五千多調到三萬八千多\n\n02:30.537 --> 02:51.497\n第二個我們對於照顧現場照顧人員的比例現行的法規規定托嬰中心只要1比5我們現在透過補助降到1比4增加補助的部分照顧現場的負擔可以讓工作人員的負擔可以降低一點\n\n02:51.917 --> 03:03.693\nOK那我想請問一下教育部一下因為教育部這問題比較嚴重因為目前每年大概有4200名的一個幼教跟幼保的教科系的一個畢業生進入職場的有多少\n\n03:04.781 --> 03:32.460\n相關職場的比例有多少委員這個資料我們可不可以匯後提供給可以因為剛剛有一個委員講15%而已我覺得怎麼會比我想像中的更低那我想這邊要特別提到一個狀態是這個是去年全國教保產業公會他們所提出的狀態他們認為誘託人員期待的照顧現場大概會有幾點的一個特質比方說友善職場的部分希望師生比能夠降低剛剛大概有提到一個部分\n\n03:33.200 --> 03:51.766\n那另外就是針對整個信任幼教的一個專業然後心智的一個剛剛也有稍微提到的狀態那針對一個親師的一個信任這個部分坦白說一直出現有一些的一個衝突跟緊張的一個關係那針對這個部分的時候我們今年有沒有比較清楚的一個改善請教一下那個副署長這邊\n\n03:56.351 --> 04:05.141\n那在幼兒園的部分親事我們大概分成兩部分如果老師其實對班金怎麼樣獲得家長的信任是一件非常重要的事情\n\n04:05.819 --> 04:33.056\n所以呢這兩三年來對於老師怎麼提升他班級經營的專業能力我們是有非常多的工作方跟研習以及輔導在進行那家長的部分來講我們也讓家長可以理解那兩歲到六歲的孩子在幼兒園他的學習任務是什麼所以我們補助縣市政府補助幼兒園他們來辦親職教育的講座那也希望讓他們彼此可以理解我想直接接下來下一頁就是說\n\n04:34.537 --> 04:52.662\n今年就是我們育兒補助大概有六大類那育兒補助六大類當中的時候生育給付這邊的時候大概主要是勞動部這邊給那各縣市的生育津貼就各縣市給那麼育兒津貼這邊的部分的時候是衛福部給衛福部給的部分那金額大概在這邊應該都沒有錯\n\n04:54.062 --> 05:12.467\n那在育兒津貼跟托育補助跟幼兒園補助這邊的時候我們就發現他是僅能擇一那0到3歲的托育補助這邊的時候也是衛福部這邊在處理那2到6歲這邊幼兒園補助這邊的時候呢其實是教育部這邊在處理那另外就是0到3歲的一個\n\n05:13.391 --> 05:41.170\n育嬰留職停薪津貼這邊的部分那勞動部這邊相關那我這邊這個圖出來之後我想特別提一個狀態就是私立幼兒園在這個過程當中的時候呢他們家長大概每個月大概只能夠選擇領取五千塊的一個育兒津貼這個部分因為其他的部分都沒有辦法去選擇可是以新竹這個地區來說的時候呢其實我們公立幼兒園准公幼的部分\n\n05:41.610 --> 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率低」的情形。","對此，衛生福利部與國發會有何看法？是否會「擴大單身聯誼活動」辦理？以提高結婚率，進而拉抬生育率。","問題四","為了友善生育環境，許多民眾希望能提高「家庭照顧假」天數。「雙薪家庭」如果小孩有狀況，可以請「家庭照顧假」，但會併入「事假」計算，「事假」一年有14天，但常面臨「假不夠用」的情況。","目前在立法院有委員提案，討論增訂「家庭照顧假」或「親職假」的法源，要讓父母「生得安心，養得放心」。","請問「勞動部」的看法為何？修法樂觀其成？是否會另外提出行政院版本？"],["委員陳培瑜書面質詢：","最近剴剴案引發社會大眾對於收出養安置與保母托育的關注。針對不適任的保母、行為不當的保母，我們要加強管理，避免再有小孩受害；但針對優良的保母，我們也要給予支持與鼓勵，胡蘿蔔跟棒子都要兼顧。因此，有關「兒童托育服務法」的立法內容，我有四點想提出建議。","首先，針對虐待、身心暴力等不當對待，由於刑法已有徒刑等刑罰，托育法以行政罰鍰為主，並區分為情節重大、尚非情節重大、情節輕微等三個等級。但草案中並未明訂各種等級區分的定義，我要求衛福部應該持續徵詢專家學者，並在母法或子法中寫清楚。","第二，針對將嬰兒獨留家裡、趴睡等相對小型的疏失，現行規定只能要求限期改善，不會留下紀錄。許多專家學者建議，在托育法第8條授權子法訂出「服務內容實施準則」時，除了訂出好的行為樣態，也應訂出不能踩的紅線，例如獨留在家、趴睡等等。此外，第8條的罰則在第73條，但如果一直違規，草案中還是給予限期改善的空間，可考慮直接裁罰，累積違規太多次就廢止許可。","第三，保母薪資過低，應該要讓好的保母可以留下來。但根據NGO去年的調查，保母的全職收入只有每月26,000到38,000元之間，將近九成縣市的保母收入不足以養家。而且加薪幅度又少又慢，導致長年低薪。原因就在於托育費用是中央放給縣市政府自己去訂定，22縣市就有22種調薪方法，高雄6年調薪3次，最多，但我認養的馬祖，6年來一次都沒漲。且加薪幅度也很小，6年來一半以上縣市調漲幅度不到1,000元。這種薪資怎麼有辦法留住好的托育人才？希望這次立法，中央可以明定托育費用的調整方式，讓保母的待遇合理化。","第四，也希望建立優良保母的獎勵與公開機制。目前在社家署的「托育媒合平台」網站上，已經可以讓家長查詢到合法持有證照保母的名單。建議衛福部可以再建立優良保母的獎勵機制，獎勵優良、沒有違規的保母，並且也可以把優良保母的名單標註於平台上，讓家長能夠查詢。","以上四點訴求，請次長納入托育法立法的考量中，多找專家學者與NGO討論，並加進去最後政院的版本，一起為兒少與優良保母的權益努力！"],["主席：現在作以下決定：報告及詢答完畢。委員質詢未及答復或請補充資料者，請相關機關於二週內書面答復；委員另要求期限者，從其所定。","本日會議到此結束，現在散會。","散會（14時9分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-4","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","王育敏","盧縣一","黃秀芳","劉建國","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","涂權吉","林淑芬","王正旭","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","張雅琳","楊曜","李坤城","麥玉珍","陳瑩","鄭正鈐","黃捷","林德福","陳培瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-03-27"],"gazette_id":"1143301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143301_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造\n友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143301_00001"}}}