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00:01:10,433\n南部這邊的降雨時空其實分佈是不均的第二個豐沛降雨量無法確保我高雄穩定的供水第三個缺水問題成為經濟產業發展的隱憂第四個在短時間強降雨造成的嚴重水患當然本席有一些具體的主張\n\n5\n00:01:11,293 --> 00:01:31,050\n那在南部地区的降雨的时空分布不均这两张图很明确一个是我们台湾的平均的雨量一个是我南部的平均雨量那在这样的枯水期当中的1112到4月5到10月当中很明显就是集中在一个7月\n\n6\n00:01:33,012 --> 00:01:47,789\n但是枯水期的量幾乎是這個風水期跟枯水期的量其實是沒有辦法平衡的那這豐沛降雨也沒有辦法確保高雄的穩定供水我大高雄並沒有大型可用的儲水水庫\n\n7\n00:01:48,690 --> 00:02:13,259\n所以自來水就來自三個高頻液浮流水跟地下水好那這個台灣地區啊這個山高水短所以呢這個過去十年高雄地區平均的年降達到2020的公里但是呢因為沒有大型水庫所以呢蓄風濟枯的功能也就沒有\n\n8\n00:02:14,219 --> 00:02:34,305\n那所以呢缺水問題反而成為我經濟產業發展的隱憂那高雄地區我們缺乏蓄水能量無法有效的調節水資源所以呢在年度降雨量低於平均的時候很容易引發缺水的危機對於民生產業衝擊是很大的好本期關心的是高雄的S郎帶\n\n9\n00:02:35,325 --> 00:02:44,468\n在S浪帶當中高雄地區的經濟命脈台積電也準備進行擴廠那光是一個3奈米廠一天就要7.5萬噸一個2奈米廠我只講一個2奈米廠他就一天要10萬噸水\n\n10\n00:02:52,290 --> 00:03:13,396\n但是我高雄每日的供水當然這個數字可能需要調整一下他在民生用水的量體可以120幾噸可以高到130幾萬噸每天工業用水大概每天可以到20幾萬噸最高可以到40萬噸我現在講的這個數字是高雄現在已經合理的最大量體\n\n11\n00:03:14,176 --> 00:03:31,737\n所以如果我的不管是這個相關的S狼袋這邊所有的企業進駐或其他這個產業的進駐即使是中小型大量的進駐之下高雄的缺水的問題其實是可以已經是可以預估的當然我們就要防範嘛\n\n12\n00:03:33,118 --> 00:03:44,803\n好所以呢包括我要講到電力這個強降雨呢既然會帶來水患又會破壞電力設施那高雄又幅員廣大城鄉落差很大所以呢從過去的那三個颱風很明顯的只要這個強降雨來之後我很多地方是變成電力孤島的\n\n13\n00:03:53,826 --> 00:04:18,580\n所以我在這邊具體要求兩項第一個請經濟部盤點我高雄半導體S廊帶或新建工業區的用水需求提出由廠商自建或政府協助建立的再生水廠或者海水氮化廠來供這些廠區使用避免新增的產業進駐排擠高雄市現有的工業\n\n14\n00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:42,435\n或者跟民生用水因為有新廠我的人員會進駐那相關人員來當然我的民生用水量也會增加所以我們不希望產業所帶來的經濟擁擠以及這個人口的增加他反而排擠到我現有的這個工業民生的用水量另外一個我要請你們盤點全高雄地區的微電網儲能系統\n\n15\n00:04:43,596 --> 00:05:11,530\n你們到底建置的如何過去三個颱風非常的慘烈那包括我自己的選區大寮的海堤的地方沿著海堤的地方這個理論上是不太可能做這個電網地下化而是以微電網的方式來建置那到底計畫在哪裡所以避免這個水災的時候形成電力孤島所以針對水跟電請你提供相關的這個規劃那是不是請回應一下\n\n16\n00:05:14,190 --> 00:05:41,200\n首先非常佩服委員對於水跟電的指教目前我們的工作大概都朝著委員所提的方向委員兩個具體主張我們這些資料我們一個禮拜內會送給你但是我在這一邊容我再用大家一點時間說明一下你提出來的一個事項我們辦理的情形第一個風呼不均這個不但是高雄如此我們依照國科會\n\n17\n00:05:42,489 --> 00:06:05,781\n的未來的事件我們的分析全國大概這個情況都不例外沒有一處不例外所以我們積極的來推動西部狼帶的珍珠串計劃就是要來解決以高雄為例在去年113年我們把真文水庫跟南化水庫這個水源串通起來就可以解決剛剛委員所說的高雄\n\n18\n00:06:06,809 --> 00:06:23,509\n有水沒有庫的情況因為過多的水就會往北送到南化水庫跟曾文水庫蓄存下來所以委員可以看到目前南化水庫跟曾文水庫我知道你很努力的在這個封庫當中的調解那本席講的是我已經很預測我未來產業進駐\n\n19\n00:06:26,192 --> 00:06:44,054\n的一個大量用水以及在這個極端氣候下所形成的強降雨而造成的電力孤島的問題所以你剛才解釋我接受那我也肯定你們的努力但是我對於新增的用水的量體那你們要整個大高雄盤點出來您說的一個月內\n\n20\n00:06:47,115 --> 00:07:09,080\n不只為高雄包括S郎帶的整個產業用水都沒有關係或新建的工業區或新建的工業區像高雄有百補工業區啊它是針對中小企業啊複合型的一個工業區啊也是經濟部開發的啊那像那個東西你也知道為什麼我還提到政府不是每個人都台積電可以自建啊那如果那個園區來講在我現有不排擠現有的\n\n21\n00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:31,130\n工業民生用水之後可是有新建的這些工業區那你是不是要自己投入要協助他們用公立的用我們公家地去做再生水場對新建的工業區要做啊是高雄目前就是有全國最多的再生水我們不希望這些高科技的用水如委員所說排擠到既有民生的用水\n\n22\n00:07:31,530 --> 00:07:48,920\n所以我們未來在高雄我們會再有兩個計畫大概是楠梓跟橋口攀點出來好不好再給我好不好因為你的增加的量跟你現在的供給量需求量跟供給量是不是能夠對應得上針對微電網的部分是請台電總經理稍微回覆一下還是次長你要回覆\n\n23\n00:07:49,640 --> 00:08:11,592\n基本上電網強韌計畫這個部分其實是我們目前盡力在做的事情那至於說孤島的地方這個也是現在台電公司希望說我要的是全高雄你們要規劃微電網的儲能系統你們要給我一個規劃那要不要總經理林可\n\n24\n00:08:12,712 --> 00:08:32,712\n第一個針對高雄整個區域包括意志在的地區是不是容我們經濟部來盤點一下跟台電公司確認一下再送資料給你因為我不講偏鄉的地方因為不是偏鄉都會整回電力孤島如果我的選區林園林園林園區那幾乎就七天\n\n25\n00:08:33,573 --> 00:08:57,175\n在整個三個颱風來之後七天斷電但是我要肯定台電是很積極的搶修我沒有任何苛責之意但是對我民怨沸騰七天沒有電民生除了實在是已經受不了之外我的所有的魚苗我們的高雄黑的喜宅那個園區提供了全台灣六成的魚苗全部通通打趴\n\n26\n00:08:57,816 --> 00:09:09,788\n全部所以那個所帶來的產業所以你一個微電網的整個高雄市的規劃不是只有三區連高雄市區內都可能都你們要去評估好不好好謝謝好一個月內這兩個有關這個一個月內提供給委員謝謝好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5939\t6282\t有請次長拜次長\n15380\t34828\t市長本席關心我們極端氣候所帶來的強降雨它除了淹水的問題還有電力潰損的問題所以在極端氣候即使在去年2024年10月一個枯水期當中卻來了三個颱風\n36169\t49725\t那這個當然地表吸水量有限 土壤的含水量有限大量的降雨當然由山區匯流就到了平原 所以呢水利設施面臨的挑戰當然我們就有淹水了好那對於這個\n51727\t70433\t南部這邊的降雨時空其實分佈是不均的第二個 豐沛降雨量無法確保我高雄穩定的供水第三個 缺水問題成為經濟產業發展的隱憂第四個 在短時間強降雨造成的嚴重水患當然本席有一些具體的主張\n71293\t91050\t那在南部地区的降雨的时空分布不均这两张图很明确一个是我们台湾的平均的雨量一个是我南部的平均雨量那在这样的枯水期当中的11 12到4月5到10月当中很明显就是集中在一个7月\n93012\t107789\t但是枯水期的量幾乎是這個風水期跟枯水期的量其實是沒有辦法平衡的那這豐沛降雨也沒有辦法確保高雄的穩定供水我大高雄並沒有大型可用的儲水水庫\n108690\t133259\t所以自來水就來自三個 高頻液 浮流水跟地下水好 那這個台灣地區啊 這個山高水短所以呢 這個過去十年 高雄地區平均的年降達到2020的公里但是呢 因為沒有大型水庫 所以呢 蓄風濟枯的功能也就沒有\n134219\t154305\t那所以呢缺水問題反而成為我經濟產業發展的隱憂那高雄地區我們缺乏蓄水能量無法有效的調節水資源所以呢在年度降雨量低於平均的時候很容易引發缺水的危機對於民生產業衝擊是很大的好本期關心的是高雄的S郎帶\n155325\t164468\t在S浪帶當中高雄地區的經濟命脈台積電也準備進行擴廠那光是一個3奈米廠一天就要7.5萬噸一個2奈米廠我只講一個2奈米廠他就一天要10萬噸水\n172290\t193396\t但是我高雄每日的供水當然這個數字可能需要調整一下他在民生用水的量體可以120幾噸可以高到130幾萬噸每天工業用水大概每天可以到20幾萬噸最高可以到40萬噸我現在講的這個數字是高雄現在已經合理的最大量體\n194176\t211737\t所以如果我的不管是這個相關的S狼袋這邊所有的企業進駐或其他這個產業的進駐即使是中小型大量的進駐之下高雄的缺水的問題其實是可以已經是可以預估的當然我們就要防範嘛\n213118\t224803\t好 所以呢 包括我要講到電力這個強降雨呢 既然會帶來水患 又會破壞電力設施那高雄又幅員廣大 城鄉落差很大所以呢 從過去的那三個颱風很明顯的只要這個強降雨來之後 我很多地方是變成電力孤島的\n233826\t258580\t所以我在這邊具體要求兩項第一個請經濟部盤點我高雄半導體S廊帶或新建工業區的用水需求提出由廠商自建或政府協助建立的再生水廠或者海水氮化廠來供這些廠區使用避免新增的產業進駐排擠高雄市現有的工業\n259460\t282435\t或者跟民生用水因為有新廠我的人員會進駐那相關人員來當然我的民生用水量也會增加所以我們不希望產業所帶來的經濟擁擠以及這個人口的增加他反而排擠到我現有的這個工業民生的用水量另外一個我要請你們盤點全高雄地區的微電網儲能系統\n283596\t311530\t你們到底建置的如何過去三個颱風非常的慘烈那包括我自己的選區大寮的海堤的地方沿著海堤的地方這個理論上是不太可能做這個電網地下化而是以微電網的方式來建置那到底計畫在哪裡所以避免這個水災的時候形成電力孤島所以針對水跟電請你提供相關的這個規劃那是不是請回應一下\n314190\t341200\t首先非常佩服委員對於水跟電的指教目前我們的工作大概都朝著委員所提的方向 委員兩個具體主張我們這些資料我們一個禮拜內會送給你但是我在這一邊容我再用大家一點時間說明一下你提出來的一個事項我們辦理的情形第一個風呼不均這個不但是高雄如此我們依照國科會\n342489\t365781\t的未來的事件我們的分析全國大概這個情況都不例外沒有一處不例外所以我們積極的來推動西部狼帶的珍珠串計劃就是要來解決以高雄為例在去年113年我們把真文水庫跟南化水庫這個水源串通起來就可以解決剛剛委員所說的高雄\n366809\t383509\t有水沒有庫的情況因為過多的水就會往北送到南化水庫跟曾文水庫蓄存下來所以委員可以看到目前南化水庫跟曾文水庫我知道你很努力的在這個封庫當中的調解那本席講的是我已經很預測我未來產業進駐\n386192\t404054\t的一個大量用水以及在這個極端氣候下所形成的強降雨而造成的電力孤島的問題所以你剛才解釋我接受那我也肯定你們的努力但是我對於新增的用水的量體那你們要整個大高雄盤點出來您說的一個月內\n407115\t429080\t不只為高雄包括S郎帶的整個產業用水都沒有關係或新建的工業區或新建的工業區像高雄有百補工業區啊它是針對中小企業啊複合型的一個工業區啊也是經濟部開發的啊那像那個東西你也知道為什麼我還提到政府不是每個人都台積電可以自建啊那如果那個園區來講在我現有不排擠現有的\n430060\t451130\t工業民生用水之後可是有新建的這些工業區那你是不是要自己投入要協助他們用公立的用我們公家地去做再生水場對新建的工業區要做啊是 高雄目前就是有全國最多的再生水我們不希望這些高科技的用水如委員所說排擠到既有民生的用水\n451530\t468920\t所以我們未來在高雄我們會再有兩個計畫大概是楠梓跟橋口攀點出來好不好再給我好不好因為你的增加的量跟你現在的供給量需求量跟供給量是不是能夠對應得上針對微電網的部分是請台電總經理稍微回覆一下還是次長你要回覆\n469640\t491592\t基本上電網強韌計畫這個部分其實是我們目前盡力在做的事情那至於說孤島的地方這個也是現在台電公司希望說我要的是全高雄你們要規劃微電網的儲能系統你們要給我一個規劃那要不要總經理林可\n492712\t512712\t第一個針對高雄整個區域包括意志在的地區是不是容我們經濟部來盤點一下跟台電公司確認一下再送資料給你因為我不講偏鄉的地方因為不是偏鄉都會整回電力孤島如果我的選區林園林園林園區那幾乎就七天\n513573\t537175\t在整個三個颱風來之後 七天斷電 但是我要肯定台電是很積極的搶修我沒有任何苛責之意 但是對我民怨沸騰七天沒有電 民生除了實在是已經受不了之外 我的所有的魚苗我們的高雄黑的喜宅那個園區 提供了全台灣六成的魚苗全部通通打趴\n537816\t549788\t全部所以那個所帶來的產業所以你一個微電網的整個高雄市的規劃不是只有三區連高雄市區內都可能都你們要去評估好不好好謝謝好一個月內這兩個有關這個一個月內提供給委員謝謝好\n","txt":"有請次長拜次長\n市長本席關心我們極端氣候所帶來的強降雨它除了淹水的問題還有電力潰損的問題所以在極端氣候即使在去年2024年10月一個枯水期當中卻來了三個颱風\n那這個當然地表吸水量有限 土壤的含水量有限大量的降雨當然由山區匯流就到了平原 所以呢水利設施面臨的挑戰當然我們就有淹水了好那對於這個\n南部這邊的降雨時空其實分佈是不均的第二個 豐沛降雨量無法確保我高雄穩定的供水第三個 缺水問題成為經濟產業發展的隱憂第四個 在短時間強降雨造成的嚴重水患當然本席有一些具體的主張\n那在南部地区的降雨的时空分布不均这两张图很明确一个是我们台湾的平均的雨量一个是我南部的平均雨量那在这样的枯水期当中的11 12到4月5到10月当中很明显就是集中在一个7月\n但是枯水期的量幾乎是這個風水期跟枯水期的量其實是沒有辦法平衡的那這豐沛降雨也沒有辦法確保高雄的穩定供水我大高雄並沒有大型可用的儲水水庫\n所以自來水就來自三個 高頻液 浮流水跟地下水好 那這個台灣地區啊 這個山高水短所以呢 這個過去十年 高雄地區平均的年降達到2020的公里但是呢 因為沒有大型水庫 所以呢 蓄風濟枯的功能也就沒有\n那所以呢缺水問題反而成為我經濟產業發展的隱憂那高雄地區我們缺乏蓄水能量無法有效的調節水資源所以呢在年度降雨量低於平均的時候很容易引發缺水的危機對於民生產業衝擊是很大的好本期關心的是高雄的S郎帶\n在S浪帶當中高雄地區的經濟命脈台積電也準備進行擴廠那光是一個3奈米廠一天就要7.5萬噸一個2奈米廠我只講一個2奈米廠他就一天要10萬噸水\n但是我高雄每日的供水當然這個數字可能需要調整一下他在民生用水的量體可以120幾噸可以高到130幾萬噸每天工業用水大概每天可以到20幾萬噸最高可以到40萬噸我現在講的這個數字是高雄現在已經合理的最大量體\n所以如果我的不管是這個相關的S狼袋這邊所有的企業進駐或其他這個產業的進駐即使是中小型大量的進駐之下高雄的缺水的問題其實是可以已經是可以預估的當然我們就要防範嘛\n好 所以呢 包括我要講到電力這個強降雨呢 既然會帶來水患 又會破壞電力設施那高雄又幅員廣大 城鄉落差很大所以呢 從過去的那三個颱風很明顯的只要這個強降雨來之後 我很多地方是變成電力孤島的\n所以我在這邊具體要求兩項第一個請經濟部盤點我高雄半導體S廊帶或新建工業區的用水需求提出由廠商自建或政府協助建立的再生水廠或者海水氮化廠來供這些廠區使用避免新增的產業進駐排擠高雄市現有的工業\n或者跟民生用水因為有新廠我的人員會進駐那相關人員來當然我的民生用水量也會增加所以我們不希望產業所帶來的經濟擁擠以及這個人口的增加他反而排擠到我現有的這個工業民生的用水量另外一個我要請你們盤點全高雄地區的微電網儲能系統\n你們到底建置的如何過去三個颱風非常的慘烈那包括我自己的選區大寮的海堤的地方沿著海堤的地方這個理論上是不太可能做這個電網地下化而是以微電網的方式來建置那到底計畫在哪裡所以避免這個水災的時候形成電力孤島所以針對水跟電請你提供相關的這個規劃那是不是請回應一下\n首先非常佩服委員對於水跟電的指教目前我們的工作大概都朝著委員所提的方向 委員兩個具體主張我們這些資料我們一個禮拜內會送給你但是我在這一邊容我再用大家一點時間說明一下你提出來的一個事項我們辦理的情形第一個風呼不均這個不但是高雄如此我們依照國科會\n的未來的事件我們的分析全國大概這個情況都不例外沒有一處不例外所以我們積極的來推動西部狼帶的珍珠串計劃就是要來解決以高雄為例在去年113年我們把真文水庫跟南化水庫這個水源串通起來就可以解決剛剛委員所說的高雄\n有水沒有庫的情況因為過多的水就會往北送到南化水庫跟曾文水庫蓄存下來所以委員可以看到目前南化水庫跟曾文水庫我知道你很努力的在這個封庫當中的調解那本席講的是我已經很預測我未來產業進駐\n的一個大量用水以及在這個極端氣候下所形成的強降雨而造成的電力孤島的問題所以你剛才解釋我接受那我也肯定你們的努力但是我對於新增的用水的量體那你們要整個大高雄盤點出來您說的一個月內\n不只為高雄包括S郎帶的整個產業用水都沒有關係或新建的工業區或新建的工業區像高雄有百補工業區啊它是針對中小企業啊複合型的一個工業區啊也是經濟部開發的啊那像那個東西你也知道為什麼我還提到政府不是每個人都台積電可以自建啊那如果那個園區來講在我現有不排擠現有的\n工業民生用水之後可是有新建的這些工業區那你是不是要自己投入要協助他們用公立的用我們公家地去做再生水場對新建的工業區要做啊是 高雄目前就是有全國最多的再生水我們不希望這些高科技的用水如委員所說排擠到既有民生的用水\n所以我們未來在高雄我們會再有兩個計畫大概是楠梓跟橋口攀點出來好不好再給我好不好因為你的增加的量跟你現在的供給量需求量跟供給量是不是能夠對應得上針對微電網的部分是請台電總經理稍微回覆一下還是次長你要回覆\n基本上電網強韌計畫這個部分其實是我們目前盡力在做的事情那至於說孤島的地方這個也是現在台電公司希望說我要的是全高雄你們要規劃微電網的儲能系統你們要給我一個規劃那要不要總經理林可\n第一個針對高雄整個區域包括意志在的地區是不是容我們經濟部來盤點一下跟台電公司確認一下再送資料給你因為我不講偏鄉的地方因為不是偏鄉都會整回電力孤島如果我的選區林園林園林園區那幾乎就七天\n在整個三個颱風來之後 七天斷電 但是我要肯定台電是很積極的搶修我沒有任何苛責之意 但是對我民怨沸騰七天沒有電 民生除了實在是已經受不了之外 我的所有的魚苗我們的高雄黑的喜宅那個園區 提供了全台灣六成的魚苗全部通通打趴\n全部所以那個所帶來的產業所以你一個微電網的整個高雄市的規劃不是只有三區連高雄市區內都可能都你們要去評估好不好好謝謝好一個月內這兩個有關這個一個月內提供給委員謝謝好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.939 --> 00:06.282\n有請次長拜次長\n\n00:15.380 --> 00:34.828\n市長本席關心我們極端氣候所帶來的強降雨它除了淹水的問題還有電力潰損的問題所以在極端氣候即使在去年2024年10月一個枯水期當中卻來了三個颱風\n\n00:36.169 --> 00:49.725\n那這個當然地表吸水量有限土壤的含水量有限大量的降雨當然由山區匯流就到了平原所以呢水利設施面臨的挑戰當然我們就有淹水了好那對於這個\n\n00:51.727 --> 01:10.433\n南部這邊的降雨時空其實分佈是不均的第二個豐沛降雨量無法確保我高雄穩定的供水第三個缺水問題成為經濟產業發展的隱憂第四個在短時間強降雨造成的嚴重水患當然本席有一些具體的主張\n\n01:11.293 --> 01:31.050\n那在南部地区的降雨的时空分布不均这两张图很明确一个是我们台湾的平均的雨量一个是我南部的平均雨量那在这样的枯水期当中的1112到4月5到10月当中很明显就是集中在一个7月\n\n01:33.012 --> 01:47.789\n但是枯水期的量幾乎是這個風水期跟枯水期的量其實是沒有辦法平衡的那這豐沛降雨也沒有辦法確保高雄的穩定供水我大高雄並沒有大型可用的儲水水庫\n\n01:48.690 --> 02:13.259\n所以自來水就來自三個高頻液浮流水跟地下水好那這個台灣地區啊這個山高水短所以呢這個過去十年高雄地區平均的年降達到2020的公里但是呢因為沒有大型水庫所以呢蓄風濟枯的功能也就沒有\n\n02:14.219 --> 02:34.305\n那所以呢缺水問題反而成為我經濟產業發展的隱憂那高雄地區我們缺乏蓄水能量無法有效的調節水資源所以呢在年度降雨量低於平均的時候很容易引發缺水的危機對於民生產業衝擊是很大的好本期關心的是高雄的S郎帶\n\n02:35.325 --> 02:44.468\n在S浪帶當中高雄地區的經濟命脈台積電也準備進行擴廠那光是一個3奈米廠一天就要7.5萬噸一個2奈米廠我只講一個2奈米廠他就一天要10萬噸水\n\n02:52.290 --> 03:13.396\n但是我高雄每日的供水當然這個數字可能需要調整一下他在民生用水的量體可以120幾噸可以高到130幾萬噸每天工業用水大概每天可以到20幾萬噸最高可以到40萬噸我現在講的這個數字是高雄現在已經合理的最大量體\n\n03:14.176 --> 03:31.737\n所以如果我的不管是這個相關的S狼袋這邊所有的企業進駐或其他這個產業的進駐即使是中小型大量的進駐之下高雄的缺水的問題其實是可以已經是可以預估的當然我們就要防範嘛\n\n03:33.118 --> 03:44.803\n好所以呢包括我要講到電力這個強降雨呢既然會帶來水患又會破壞電力設施那高雄又幅員廣大城鄉落差很大所以呢從過去的那三個颱風很明顯的只要這個強降雨來之後我很多地方是變成電力孤島的\n\n03:53.826 --> 04:18.580\n所以我在這邊具體要求兩項第一個請經濟部盤點我高雄半導體S廊帶或新建工業區的用水需求提出由廠商自建或政府協助建立的再生水廠或者海水氮化廠來供這些廠區使用避免新增的產業進駐排擠高雄市現有的工業\n\n04:19.460 --> 04:42.435\n或者跟民生用水因為有新廠我的人員會進駐那相關人員來當然我的民生用水量也會增加所以我們不希望產業所帶來的經濟擁擠以及這個人口的增加他反而排擠到我現有的這個工業民生的用水量另外一個我要請你們盤點全高雄地區的微電網儲能系統\n\n04:43.596 --> 05:11.530\n你們到底建置的如何過去三個颱風非常的慘烈那包括我自己的選區大寮的海堤的地方沿著海堤的地方這個理論上是不太可能做這個電網地下化而是以微電網的方式來建置那到底計畫在哪裡所以避免這個水災的時候形成電力孤島所以針對水跟電請你提供相關的這個規劃那是不是請回應一下\n\n05:14.190 --> 05:41.200\n首先非常佩服委員對於水跟電的指教目前我們的工作大概都朝著委員所提的方向委員兩個具體主張我們這些資料我們一個禮拜內會送給你但是我在這一邊容我再用大家一點時間說明一下你提出來的一個事項我們辦理的情形第一個風呼不均這個不但是高雄如此我們依照國科會\n\n05:42.489 --> 06:05.781\n的未來的事件我們的分析全國大概這個情況都不例外沒有一處不例外所以我們積極的來推動西部狼帶的珍珠串計劃就是要來解決以高雄為例在去年113年我們把真文水庫跟南化水庫這個水源串通起來就可以解決剛剛委員所說的高雄\n\n06:06.809 --> 06:23.509\n有水沒有庫的情況因為過多的水就會往北送到南化水庫跟曾文水庫蓄存下來所以委員可以看到目前南化水庫跟曾文水庫我知道你很努力的在這個封庫當中的調解那本席講的是我已經很預測我未來產業進駐\n\n06:26.192 --> 06:44.054\n的一個大量用水以及在這個極端氣候下所形成的強降雨而造成的電力孤島的問題所以你剛才解釋我接受那我也肯定你們的努力但是我對於新增的用水的量體那你們要整個大高雄盤點出來您說的一個月內\n\n06:47.115 --> 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