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00:00:39,782\n主委你回答之前我先回應一下剛剛那個財政部次長那個部分其實就回答精準一點那17條其實早在他們在資產處理之前之後那資產要處理的時候啊一天中要處理早在之前就已經對外發布出風聲了時機點根本完全不對嘛來主委來請教一下你看到本國的這一個金融環境的部分我們要探討一下\n\n3\n00:00:40,703 --> 00:01:02,723\n我們的資產管理在這20年來總資產的部分已經高達73兆又多了這個將近50兆然後不論是OBU的這個資產也好或本國銀行的盡力也好或者是國外的盡力也好台股的市值也好台灣的這個GDP也好都呈現了倍增的現象那都呈現倍增的現象而且是數倍的倍增\n\n4\n00:01:03,223 --> 00:01:21,138\n那我覺得對照於今天這個央行的報告當中的第一趴就跟你講說呢我們的超額儲蓄反映的一個問題呢台灣現在已經呈現了所謂的閒置資本過剩的現象但是閒置資本過剩的情況底下你又要留財又要引資回來這重點其實在哪裡在去處嘛\n\n5\n00:01:22,098 --> 00:01:35,788\n關鍵在去處去處在哪裡在那環境嘛不是人來不來的問題根本還是環境的問題你去看一個就好我今天就舉一個全球金融中心的指數台北的排行從2016年21名2020年42名到了2022年變成73名他評估的指標是什麼人才環境基礎建設聲譽等等\n\n6\n00:01:46,936 --> 00:01:56,683\n結果我們的資本實力越來越強但是我們的環境卻越來越差主委你怎麼看在這種情況底下你如何形成一個資產管理中心我想謝謝委員剛剛提供這些訊息我們也有去\n\n7\n00:02:03,004 --> 00:02:25,567\n去了解一下因為我們評比有各式各樣的評比這個評比呢給我們一個比較我們比較比較嚴厲的對但是他其中但能不能接受他還不能接受啊不太服氣因為這部分我不覺得我們我們台灣在整個整個亞太的金融市場地位我們從各種指標就從委員剛剛看到這些東西但是我覺得我們要\n\n8\n00:02:27,069 --> 00:02:41,181\n這個要努力的向國際去說明這件事情台灣的一些現況包括這些數字我們也會去了解一下這些指標的背後是不是有些地方比如說是因為資訊提供的問題或是一些指標我們可以來做一個揭露\n\n9\n00:02:41,781 --> 00:02:55,536\n主委這個說明當然要持續性的但是是不是認真的面對是不是我們基本面有所欠缺的問題這才是關鍵因為現實上來說有些問題我們真的是要去想一想為什麼同樣的這個ETF在國外的這個收費標準跟國內\n\n10\n00:03:00,822 --> 00:03:17,395\n就相差很多我講一個數字給你聽在去年高股息的ETF全民封ETF我們的這種費用率是座落在0.42%到1.37%之間相對國外的總費用率幾乎都座落在0.1%以下\n\n11\n00:03:19,137 --> 00:03:30,887\n0.1下我們的低標都比人家高標高了好幾倍所以說這種情況下我們的環境當中是不是要去檢討去思考這個問題當然也有些業者他自我反省像原大的話0050他就0.355降到0.141\n\n12\n00:03:35,111 --> 00:03:57,804\n那這會影響到什麼影響到我們的這個有關於這個勞保基金要不要購買ETF的一個問題關鍵所以你要如何把他吸引到這個IPO市場當中這都是關鍵啊主委有沒有覺得是這個問題然後你跟他推動了TISA你也是從這邊做切入點啊你的報告當中也講要讓他讓利他本該就讓利了\n\n13\n00:04:01,046 --> 00:04:28,844\n他獲利太多了啦對不對主委請說其實其實我剛剛提到就是說我們在這個報告裡也提到一個其實我從去年開始不管我在高雄專區或是在很多跟金融業在討論這些未來市場發展的會議上都跟他提到金融業必須要面對我們市場要持續成長的這個這個這個目標但這個成長的結果呢不應該只有比如公司跟股東來做主要的分配事實上公司跟股東在成長\n\n14\n00:04:30,925 --> 00:04:57,560\n就剛剛委員講的那個方向就是我們在努力的我們也希望說隨著市場的擴大那這個部分能夠呼應一下能夠就讓利對我想這部分也是我們應該要所以讓利不是只有在TESA的部分而已嘛對不對所以很多政經業者他自己思考這個問題啦我講實在話我們收費過高對投資人不夠友善我們人才的養成其實薪資過低以至於我們有些金融人才都還停留在新加坡或停留在這個香港\n\n15\n00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:09,962\n為什麼這些人不回來如果這些人可以回來他也可以帶客戶回來啊你的資產管理中心就可以實現啊當然當然這就是基本面的問題嘛他的評鑑當中也有人才的問題為什麼人才不夠原因在哪裡\n\n16\n00:05:11,377 --> 00:05:36,913\n你要留財之前要先引財引財之前要先引人才回來嘛這基本問題我們要去面對這個問題好就拉回來您再提的有關於這一個這個財務管理資產管理也就是說這個資產管理業到底是接近於投信投估業還是什麼沒有一個清楚的定義就這兩邊當中的連結度箭頭的連結度私人銀行是連結到財務管理能不能連結到這個\n\n17\n00:05:38,594 --> 00:06:01,971\n資產管理那高資產是不是連結到財富管理高資產算不算資產管理這張圖當中看不出來那個連結性也就是看不出來所謂的定義是什麼當定義不清楚的話大家就很模糊當模糊的情況底下又要怎麼推廣我們有沒有可能再修改這個投信投顧業來清楚的定義所謂的所謂資產管理業是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:02,892 --> 00:06:20,702\n有沒有可能這個跟委員報告其實每個國家它法制的結構很不同其實我在開始了解這個議題的時候發覺其實台灣沒有所謂一個執照叫做資產管理業所以比較好的應對的產業就是我們的投信業那再來還有我們的投顧業\n\n19\n00:06:21,963 --> 00:06:50,752\n但是實際上後來發現說我們在國外真的對資產管理的概念也不限於只有我們的投信跟投顧他還做很多其他的內容譬如說包括我們的創投跟我們的PE也都是一個那我們需不需要再把它精準定義一下或者需要修改一些相關的法制所以我們現在的定義就是我們用一個更廣泛的資產管理的範圍把我們過去已經很有基礎的財富管理業務跟結合我們狹義的所謂資產管理我們現在的方式AMC也是資產管理啊\n\n20\n00:06:51,332 --> 00:07:14,298\n那個不一樣那個不一樣名詞上看起來就相同啊那個名稱因為我們過去用了一個資產管理到底我們是什麼樣的資產管理搞不清楚嘛部長用你的智慧來定義一下啦好不好定義清楚一下該修法要修法嘛因為新的政策你需要在法制上落實嘛你一來就銜接現有的法制不然你就是在重新創造一個法制嘛不是嗎\n\n21\n00:07:14,898 --> 00:07:41,556\n當然我們現在用你要推動這個政策問題要變成這個法制的問題跟基本面的問題啊不是嗎剛剛委員講的很好幾件事我們都非常認同第一個我們一定要讓人才有一個好的環境再來就是我們交易應該有一個很好的環境這些都是一個那個先決的要件那再來就是說我們對於法規剛剛那個範圍其實我們現在採取的就是用實務來定義這樣的一個範疇所以我們就結合了剛才兩大塊所以剛剛這部分我覺得我們未來也會隨著這個東西的改變做一些\n\n22\n00:07:44,478 --> 00:08:07,429\n變化就像我們上次我們在報告有提到我們這次有開放外部資產管理服務業這個就是一個慢慢去對接國際的一個資產管理的概念你的眼神現在說我都可以理解但是我還跟你講說是基本面的問題要怎麼定義會更清楚我還在跟你談一個基本面的部分像之前啊這本席一直跟這個財務財政部門在argue的部分的這個印花稅的問題財政部過往就是要修這個這個所謂的這個重複課稅的這個稅務\n\n23\n00:08:13,612 --> 00:08:35,082\n印花稅最大的受害者就是金融業嘛所以你理解吧你看113年繳了多少錢115億佔了61%這最大的受害者啊那你在稅制的環境當中你要面對改革啊不是嗎當整個國有資金來的時候你就覺得對這些人不公平嘛對金融業不公平嘛我說這基本面的問題我們總是要面對嘛\n\n24\n00:08:36,298 --> 00:08:56,739\n主委印花稅站在你主管的金融業當中你要有一個基本的看法跟態度出來或一個說明或要求一個政策建議出來那個財政部那個不是建議啦說地方政府都反對哪個地方政府會贊成把我稅金拿走哪個地方政府會贊成問題是這個稅制科的合不合理嘛公不公平嘛不是嗎主委請說\n\n25\n00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:15,720\n我想站在金融主管機關對稅的看法會跟財政部跟可能地方政府會有不一樣的看法那我們當然過去我們也接到很多業者的反應我們也持續的向我們的那個租稅主政單位我們去做這個反應當然尤其我們要推動國際資金的競爭的時候\n\n26\n00:09:17,862 --> 00:09:32,317\n當我們有一些比較特別的碎製產生劣勢的時候我們還是會持續的溝通也能夠希望剛剛像委員講我們的環境能夠更具有競爭力對啊這個都是我今天跟你討論的其實都是在討論基本面的問題啦\n\n27\n00:09:33,198 --> 00:09:59,509\n從人才、環境還有稅制的問題還有包括人才的養成的部分你知道現階段的中研院在南部有設立一個南部院區最近的經濟部、生技辦公室南部也會有一個辦公室諸多的學術機構或研發機構都設在南部那你現在資產管理專區要把它地區化\n\n28\n00:10:00,696 --> 00:10:18,959\n問題你很多金融人才全部的這個訓練機構都集中在台北啊其他都是一個辦公室聯絡而已啊沒有真正的想去養成當區的人才啊我就舉一個例子來說你現在要把專區設在地方專區設在高雄在高雄有嗎\n\n29\n00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:48,379\n高雄或許沒有一個比較適合的空間確定政府所謂的設立專區幾乎都是在台南為主就高鐵旁邊類似像中研院這樣的南部分我們金融研訓院有沒有可能設立的可能金融研訓院在高雄有辦事處也有查過了台中也有其實它那個還蠻大的再來就是我們這次有一個我們三大人才訓練基地一個是研訓院一個就是中山的國際金融學院對還有就是我們政大的國際金融學院這三個\n\n30\n00:10:49,480 --> 00:11:10,498\n在大學底下的但是我們也跟他做密切他們也已經答應要開設這些人才培育班但是要有一個類似像中研院南分院的一個規模而且是南區分院而不是分院的一個角色我們會朝這個來講怎麼擴大人才的培育面來去強化要有一個地域性的考量方便性的考量\n\n31\n00:11:11,858 --> 00:11:28,905\n確實因為這次的做法也希望能夠平衡也希望未來各個比如說更有潛力的其他縣市也能來參與這樣的一個計畫我們就會去平衡這個人才的培育量當你有一些金融機構金融單位要下放在地方的時候的投資你就應該考慮有一些人才的養成也應該要在地化的可能\n\n32\n00:11:29,565 --> 00:11:55,344\n所以說我就說你就乾脆思考從一個中研院的這個南分院的一個架構當中來思考金融延續院是不是可以用這種方式來比照辦理的模式來做思維這我們可以跟他們來討論一下比如南區他們在高雄那個的一些功能還有就是我們跟中山來討論來強化看怎麼樣替代達到大家的中山在高雄嘛你剛剛說也是高雄嘛本席一直強調台南你都沒有聽到重點\n\n33\n00:11:56,405 --> 00:12:08,644\n沒有我知道就是南部樓部因為剛才委員提到專區啦所以我想平衡南北我們會來努力啦對啊高鐵有機會去看一下那邊土地空間比較大啦好不好不要說我還可以跟台南市政府建議啦OK好不好人才養成很重要謝謝請主委慎重思考謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10089\t12475\t有請彭主委好彭主委\n16941\t39782\t主委你回答之前我先回應一下剛剛那個財政部次長那個部分其實就回答精準一點那17條其實早在他們在資產處理之前之後那資產要處理的時候啊一天中要處理早在之前就已經對外發布出風聲了時機點根本完全不對嘛來主委來請教一下你看到本國的這一個金融環境的部分我們要探討一下\n40703\t62723\t我們的資產管理在這20年來總資產的部分已經高達73兆又多了這個將近50兆然後不論是OBU的這個資產也好或本國銀行的盡力也好或者是國外的盡力也好台股的市值也好台灣的這個GDP也好都呈現了倍增的現象那都呈現倍增的現象而且是數倍的倍增\n63223\t81138\t那我覺得對照於今天這個央行的報告當中的第一趴就跟你講說呢我們的超額儲蓄反映的一個問題呢台灣現在已經呈現了所謂的閒置資本過剩的現象但是閒置資本過剩的情況底下你又要留財又要引資回來這重點其實在哪裡在去處嘛\n82098\t95788\t關鍵在去處 去處在哪裡 在那環境嘛不是人來不來的問題 根本還是環境的問題你去看一個就好 我今天就舉一個全球金融中心的指數 台北的排行從2016年21名 2020年42名到了2022年變成73名他評估的指標是什麼 人才 環境 基礎建設 聲譽等等\n106936\t116683\t結果我們的資本實力越來越強但是我們的環境卻越來越差主委你怎麼看在這種情況底下你如何形成一個資產管理中心我想謝謝委員剛剛提供這些訊息我們也有去\n123004\t145567\t去了解一下因為我們評比有各式各樣的評比這個評比呢給我們一個比較我們比較比較嚴厲的對但是他其中但能不能接受他還不能接受啊不太服氣因為這部分我不覺得我們我們台灣在整個整個亞太的金融市場地位我們從各種指標就從委員剛剛看到這些東西但是我覺得我們要\n147069\t161181\t這個要努力的向國際去說明這件事情台灣的一些現況包括這些數字我們也會去了解一下這些指標的背後是不是有些地方比如說是因為資訊提供的問題或是一些指標我們可以來做一個揭露\n161781\t175536\t主委這個說明當然要持續性的但是是不是認真的面對是不是我們基本面有所欠缺的問題這才是關鍵因為現實上來說有些問題我們真的是要去想一想為什麼同樣的這個ETF在國外的這個收費標準跟國內\n180822\t197395\t就相差很多我講一個數字給你聽在去年高股息的ETF全民封ETF我們的這種費用率是座落在0.42%到1.37%之間相對國外的總費用率幾乎都座落在0.1%以下\n199137\t210887\t0.1下我們的低標都比人家高標高了好幾倍所以說這種情況下我們的環境當中是不是要去檢討去思考這個問題當然也有些業者他自我反省像原大的話0050他就0.355降到0.141\n215111\t237804\t那這會影響到什麼影響到我們的這個有關於這個勞保基金要不要購買ETF的一個問題關鍵所以你要如何把他吸引到這個IPO市場當中這都是關鍵啊主委有沒有覺得是這個問題然後你跟他推動了TISA你也是從這邊做切入點啊你的報告當中也講要讓他讓利他本該就讓利了\n241046\t268844\t他獲利太多了啦對不對主委請說其實其實我剛剛提到就是說我們在這個報告裡也提到一個其實我從去年開始不管我在高雄專區或是在很多跟金融業在討論這些未來市場發展的會議上都跟他提到金融業必須要面對我們市場要持續成長的這個這個這個目標但這個成長的結果呢不應該只有比如公司跟股東來做主要的分配事實上公司跟股東在成長\n270925\t297560\t就剛剛委員講的那個方向就是我們在努力的我們也希望說隨著市場的擴大那這個部分能夠呼應一下能夠就讓利對我想這部分也是我們應該要所以讓利不是只有在TESA的部分而已嘛對不對所以很多政經業者他自己思考這個問題啦我講實在話我們收費過高對投資人不夠友善我們人才的養成其實薪資過低以至於我們有些金融人才都還停留在新加坡或停留在這個香港\n298320\t309962\t為什麼這些人不回來如果這些人可以回來他也可以帶客戶回來啊你的資產管理中心就可以實現啊當然當然這就是基本面的問題嘛他的評鑑當中也有人才的問題為什麼人才不夠原因在哪裡\n311377\t336913\t你要留財之前要先引財引財之前要先引人才回來嘛這基本問題我們要去面對這個問題好就拉回來您再提的有關於這一個這個財務管理資產管理也就是說這個資產管理業到底是接近於投信投估業還是什麼沒有一個清楚的定義就這兩邊當中的連結度箭頭的連結度私人銀行是連結到財務管理能不能連結到這個\n338594\t361971\t資產管理那高資產是不是連結到財富管理高資產算不算資產管理這張圖當中看不出來那個連結性也就是看不出來所謂的定義是什麼當定義不清楚的話大家就很模糊當模糊的情況底下又要怎麼推廣我們有沒有可能再修改這個投信投顧業來清楚的定義所謂的所謂資產管理業是什麼\n362892\t380702\t有沒有可能這個跟委員報告其實每個國家它法制的結構很不同其實我在開始了解這個議題的時候發覺其實台灣沒有所謂一個執照叫做資產管理業所以比較好的應對的產業就是我們的投信業那再來還有我們的投顧業\n381963\t410752\t但是實際上後來發現說我們在國外真的對資產管理的概念也不限於只有我們的投信跟投顧他還做很多其他的內容譬如說包括我們的創投跟我們的PE也都是一個那我們需不需要再把它精準定義一下或者需要修改一些相關的法制所以我們現在的定義就是我們用一個更廣泛的資產管理的範圍把我們過去已經很有基礎的財富管理業務跟結合我們狹義的所謂資產管理我們現在的方式AMC也是資產管理啊\n411332\t434298\t那個不一樣那個不一樣名詞上看起來就相同啊那個名稱因為我們過去用了一個資產管理到底我們是什麼樣的資產管理搞不清楚嘛部長用你的智慧來定義一下啦好不好定義清楚一下該修法要修法嘛因為新的政策你需要在法制上落實嘛你一來就銜接現有的法制不然你就是在重新創造一個法制嘛不是嗎\n434898\t461556\t當然我們現在用你要推動這個政策問題要變成這個法制的問題跟基本面的問題啊不是嗎剛剛委員講的很好幾件事我們都非常認同第一個我們一定要讓人才有一個好的環境再來就是我們交易應該有一個很好的環境這些都是一個那個先決的要件那再來就是說我們對於法規剛剛那個範圍其實我們現在採取的就是用實務來定義這樣的一個範疇所以我們就結合了剛才兩大塊所以剛剛這部分我覺得我們未來也會隨著這個東西的改變做一些\n464478\t487429\t變化就像我們上次我們在報告有提到我們這次有開放外部資產管理服務業這個就是一個慢慢去對接國際的一個資產管理的概念你的眼神現在說我都可以理解但是我還跟你講說是基本面的問題要怎麼定義會更清楚我還在跟你談一個基本面的部分像之前啊這本席一直跟這個財務財政部門在argue的部分的這個印花稅的問題財政部過往就是要修這個這個所謂的這個重複課稅的這個稅務\n493612\t515082\t印花稅最大的受害者就是金融業嘛所以你理解吧你看113年繳了多少錢115億佔了61%這最大的受害者啊那你在稅制的環境當中你要面對改革啊不是嗎當整個國有資金來的時候你就覺得對這些人不公平嘛對金融業不公平嘛我說這基本面的問題我們總是要面對嘛\n516298\t536739\t主委 印花稅站在你主管的金融業當中你要有一個基本的看法跟態度出來或一個說明或要求一個政策建議出來那個財政部那個不是建議啦說地方政府都反對哪個地方政府會贊成把我稅金拿走哪個地方政府會贊成問題是這個稅制科的合不合理嘛公不公平嘛 不是嗎 主委請說\n537600\t555720\t我想站在金融主管機關對稅的看法會跟財政部跟可能地方政府會有不一樣的看法那我們當然過去我們也接到很多業者的反應我們也持續的向我們的那個租稅主政單位我們去做這個反應當然尤其我們要推動國際資金的競爭的時候\n557862\t572317\t當我們有一些比較特別的碎製產生劣勢的時候我們還是會持續的溝通也能夠希望剛剛像委員講我們的環境能夠更具有競爭力對啊這個都是我今天跟你討論的其實都是在討論基本面的問題啦\n573198\t599509\t從人才、環境還有稅制的問題還有包括人才的養成的部分你知道現階段的中研院在南部有設立一個南部院區最近的經濟部、生技辦公室南部也會有一個辦公室諸多的學術機構或研發機構都設在南部那你現在資產管理專區要把它地區化\n600696\t618959\t問題你很多金融人才全部的這個訓練機構都集中在台北啊其他都是一個辦公室聯絡而已啊沒有真正的想去養成當區的人才啊我就舉一個例子來說你現在要把專區設在地方專區設在高雄在高雄有嗎\n619600\t648379\t高雄或許沒有一個比較適合的空間確定政府所謂的設立專區幾乎都是在台南為主就高鐵旁邊類似像中研院這樣的南部分我們金融研訓院有沒有可能設立的可能金融研訓院在高雄有辦事處也有查過了台中也有其實它那個還蠻大的再來就是我們這次有一個我們三大人才訓練基地一個是研訓院一個就是中山的國際金融學院對還有就是我們政大的國際金融學院這三個\n649480\t670498\t在大學底下的但是我們也跟他做密切他們也已經答應要開設這些人才培育班但是要有一個類似像中研院南分院的一個規模而且是南區分院而不是分院的一個角色我們會朝這個來講怎麼擴大人才的培育面來去強化要有一個地域性的考量方便性的考量\n671858\t688905\t確實因為這次的做法也希望能夠平衡也希望未來各個比如說更有潛力的其他縣市也能來參與這樣的一個計畫我們就會去平衡這個人才的培育量當你有一些金融機構金融單位要下放在地方的時候的投資你就應該考慮有一些人才的養成也應該要在地化的可能\n689565\t715344\t所以說我就說你就乾脆思考從一個中研院的這個南分院的一個架構當中來思考金融延續院是不是可以用這種方式來比照辦理的模式來做思維這我們可以跟他們來討論一下比如南區他們在高雄那個的一些功能還有就是我們跟中山來討論來強化看怎麼樣替代達到大家的中山在高雄嘛你剛剛說也是高雄嘛本席一直強調台南你都沒有聽到重點\n716405\t728644\t沒有 我知道就是南部 樓部因為剛才委員提到專區啦所以我想平衡南北我們會來努力啦對啊 高鐵有機會去看一下那邊土地空間比較大啦好不好不要說我還可以跟台南市政府建議啦OK 好不好人才養成很重要謝謝請主委慎重思考謝謝\n","txt":"有請彭主委好彭主委\n主委你回答之前我先回應一下剛剛那個財政部次長那個部分其實就回答精準一點那17條其實早在他們在資產處理之前之後那資產要處理的時候啊一天中要處理早在之前就已經對外發布出風聲了時機點根本完全不對嘛來主委來請教一下你看到本國的這一個金融環境的部分我們要探討一下\n我們的資產管理在這20年來總資產的部分已經高達73兆又多了這個將近50兆然後不論是OBU的這個資產也好或本國銀行的盡力也好或者是國外的盡力也好台股的市值也好台灣的這個GDP也好都呈現了倍增的現象那都呈現倍增的現象而且是數倍的倍增\n那我覺得對照於今天這個央行的報告當中的第一趴就跟你講說呢我們的超額儲蓄反映的一個問題呢台灣現在已經呈現了所謂的閒置資本過剩的現象但是閒置資本過剩的情況底下你又要留財又要引資回來這重點其實在哪裡在去處嘛\n關鍵在去處 去處在哪裡 在那環境嘛不是人來不來的問題 根本還是環境的問題你去看一個就好 我今天就舉一個全球金融中心的指數 台北的排行從2016年21名 2020年42名到了2022年變成73名他評估的指標是什麼 人才 環境 基礎建設 聲譽等等\n結果我們的資本實力越來越強但是我們的環境卻越來越差主委你怎麼看在這種情況底下你如何形成一個資產管理中心我想謝謝委員剛剛提供這些訊息我們也有去\n去了解一下因為我們評比有各式各樣的評比這個評比呢給我們一個比較我們比較比較嚴厲的對但是他其中但能不能接受他還不能接受啊不太服氣因為這部分我不覺得我們我們台灣在整個整個亞太的金融市場地位我們從各種指標就從委員剛剛看到這些東西但是我覺得我們要\n這個要努力的向國際去說明這件事情台灣的一些現況包括這些數字我們也會去了解一下這些指標的背後是不是有些地方比如說是因為資訊提供的問題或是一些指標我們可以來做一個揭露\n主委這個說明當然要持續性的但是是不是認真的面對是不是我們基本面有所欠缺的問題這才是關鍵因為現實上來說有些問題我們真的是要去想一想為什麼同樣的這個ETF在國外的這個收費標準跟國內\n就相差很多我講一個數字給你聽在去年高股息的ETF全民封ETF我們的這種費用率是座落在0.42%到1.37%之間相對國外的總費用率幾乎都座落在0.1%以下\n0.1下我們的低標都比人家高標高了好幾倍所以說這種情況下我們的環境當中是不是要去檢討去思考這個問題當然也有些業者他自我反省像原大的話0050他就0.355降到0.141\n那這會影響到什麼影響到我們的這個有關於這個勞保基金要不要購買ETF的一個問題關鍵所以你要如何把他吸引到這個IPO市場當中這都是關鍵啊主委有沒有覺得是這個問題然後你跟他推動了TISA你也是從這邊做切入點啊你的報告當中也講要讓他讓利他本該就讓利了\n他獲利太多了啦對不對主委請說其實其實我剛剛提到就是說我們在這個報告裡也提到一個其實我從去年開始不管我在高雄專區或是在很多跟金融業在討論這些未來市場發展的會議上都跟他提到金融業必須要面對我們市場要持續成長的這個這個這個目標但這個成長的結果呢不應該只有比如公司跟股東來做主要的分配事實上公司跟股東在成長\n就剛剛委員講的那個方向就是我們在努力的我們也希望說隨著市場的擴大那這個部分能夠呼應一下能夠就讓利對我想這部分也是我們應該要所以讓利不是只有在TESA的部分而已嘛對不對所以很多政經業者他自己思考這個問題啦我講實在話我們收費過高對投資人不夠友善我們人才的養成其實薪資過低以至於我們有些金融人才都還停留在新加坡或停留在這個香港\n為什麼這些人不回來如果這些人可以回來他也可以帶客戶回來啊你的資產管理中心就可以實現啊當然當然這就是基本面的問題嘛他的評鑑當中也有人才的問題為什麼人才不夠原因在哪裡\n你要留財之前要先引財引財之前要先引人才回來嘛這基本問題我們要去面對這個問題好就拉回來您再提的有關於這一個這個財務管理資產管理也就是說這個資產管理業到底是接近於投信投估業還是什麼沒有一個清楚的定義就這兩邊當中的連結度箭頭的連結度私人銀行是連結到財務管理能不能連結到這個\n資產管理那高資產是不是連結到財富管理高資產算不算資產管理這張圖當中看不出來那個連結性也就是看不出來所謂的定義是什麼當定義不清楚的話大家就很模糊當模糊的情況底下又要怎麼推廣我們有沒有可能再修改這個投信投顧業來清楚的定義所謂的所謂資產管理業是什麼\n有沒有可能這個跟委員報告其實每個國家它法制的結構很不同其實我在開始了解這個議題的時候發覺其實台灣沒有所謂一個執照叫做資產管理業所以比較好的應對的產業就是我們的投信業那再來還有我們的投顧業\n但是實際上後來發現說我們在國外真的對資產管理的概念也不限於只有我們的投信跟投顧他還做很多其他的內容譬如說包括我們的創投跟我們的PE也都是一個那我們需不需要再把它精準定義一下或者需要修改一些相關的法制所以我們現在的定義就是我們用一個更廣泛的資產管理的範圍把我們過去已經很有基礎的財富管理業務跟結合我們狹義的所謂資產管理我們現在的方式AMC也是資產管理啊\n那個不一樣那個不一樣名詞上看起來就相同啊那個名稱因為我們過去用了一個資產管理到底我們是什麼樣的資產管理搞不清楚嘛部長用你的智慧來定義一下啦好不好定義清楚一下該修法要修法嘛因為新的政策你需要在法制上落實嘛你一來就銜接現有的法制不然你就是在重新創造一個法制嘛不是嗎\n當然我們現在用你要推動這個政策問題要變成這個法制的問題跟基本面的問題啊不是嗎剛剛委員講的很好幾件事我們都非常認同第一個我們一定要讓人才有一個好的環境再來就是我們交易應該有一個很好的環境這些都是一個那個先決的要件那再來就是說我們對於法規剛剛那個範圍其實我們現在採取的就是用實務來定義這樣的一個範疇所以我們就結合了剛才兩大塊所以剛剛這部分我覺得我們未來也會隨著這個東西的改變做一些\n變化就像我們上次我們在報告有提到我們這次有開放外部資產管理服務業這個就是一個慢慢去對接國際的一個資產管理的概念你的眼神現在說我都可以理解但是我還跟你講說是基本面的問題要怎麼定義會更清楚我還在跟你談一個基本面的部分像之前啊這本席一直跟這個財務財政部門在argue的部分的這個印花稅的問題財政部過往就是要修這個這個所謂的這個重複課稅的這個稅務\n印花稅最大的受害者就是金融業嘛所以你理解吧你看113年繳了多少錢115億佔了61%這最大的受害者啊那你在稅制的環境當中你要面對改革啊不是嗎當整個國有資金來的時候你就覺得對這些人不公平嘛對金融業不公平嘛我說這基本面的問題我們總是要面對嘛\n主委 印花稅站在你主管的金融業當中你要有一個基本的看法跟態度出來或一個說明或要求一個政策建議出來那個財政部那個不是建議啦說地方政府都反對哪個地方政府會贊成把我稅金拿走哪個地方政府會贊成問題是這個稅制科的合不合理嘛公不公平嘛 不是嗎 主委請說\n我想站在金融主管機關對稅的看法會跟財政部跟可能地方政府會有不一樣的看法那我們當然過去我們也接到很多業者的反應我們也持續的向我們的那個租稅主政單位我們去做這個反應當然尤其我們要推動國際資金的競爭的時候\n當我們有一些比較特別的碎製產生劣勢的時候我們還是會持續的溝通也能夠希望剛剛像委員講我們的環境能夠更具有競爭力對啊這個都是我今天跟你討論的其實都是在討論基本面的問題啦\n從人才、環境還有稅制的問題還有包括人才的養成的部分你知道現階段的中研院在南部有設立一個南部院區最近的經濟部、生技辦公室南部也會有一個辦公室諸多的學術機構或研發機構都設在南部那你現在資產管理專區要把它地區化\n問題你很多金融人才全部的這個訓練機構都集中在台北啊其他都是一個辦公室聯絡而已啊沒有真正的想去養成當區的人才啊我就舉一個例子來說你現在要把專區設在地方專區設在高雄在高雄有嗎\n高雄或許沒有一個比較適合的空間確定政府所謂的設立專區幾乎都是在台南為主就高鐵旁邊類似像中研院這樣的南部分我們金融研訓院有沒有可能設立的可能金融研訓院在高雄有辦事處也有查過了台中也有其實它那個還蠻大的再來就是我們這次有一個我們三大人才訓練基地一個是研訓院一個就是中山的國際金融學院對還有就是我們政大的國際金融學院這三個\n在大學底下的但是我們也跟他做密切他們也已經答應要開設這些人才培育班但是要有一個類似像中研院南分院的一個規模而且是南區分院而不是分院的一個角色我們會朝這個來講怎麼擴大人才的培育面來去強化要有一個地域性的考量方便性的考量\n確實因為這次的做法也希望能夠平衡也希望未來各個比如說更有潛力的其他縣市也能來參與這樣的一個計畫我們就會去平衡這個人才的培育量當你有一些金融機構金融單位要下放在地方的時候的投資你就應該考慮有一些人才的養成也應該要在地化的可能\n所以說我就說你就乾脆思考從一個中研院的這個南分院的一個架構當中來思考金融延續院是不是可以用這種方式來比照辦理的模式來做思維這我們可以跟他們來討論一下比如南區他們在高雄那個的一些功能還有就是我們跟中山來討論來強化看怎麼樣替代達到大家的中山在高雄嘛你剛剛說也是高雄嘛本席一直強調台南你都沒有聽到重點\n沒有 我知道就是南部 樓部因為剛才委員提到專區啦所以我想平衡南北我們會來努力啦對啊 高鐵有機會去看一下那邊土地空間比較大啦好不好不要說我還可以跟台南市政府建議啦OK 好不好人才養成很重要謝謝請主委慎重思考謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.089 --> 00:12.475\n有請彭主委好彭主委\n\n00:16.941 --> 00:39.782\n主委你回答之前我先回應一下剛剛那個財政部次長那個部分其實就回答精準一點那17條其實早在他們在資產處理之前之後那資產要處理的時候啊一天中要處理早在之前就已經對外發布出風聲了時機點根本完全不對嘛來主委來請教一下你看到本國的這一個金融環境的部分我們要探討一下\n\n00:40.703 --> 01:02.723\n我們的資產管理在這20年來總資產的部分已經高達73兆又多了這個將近50兆然後不論是OBU的這個資產也好或本國銀行的盡力也好或者是國外的盡力也好台股的市值也好台灣的這個GDP也好都呈現了倍增的現象那都呈現倍增的現象而且是數倍的倍增\n\n01:03.223 --> 01:21.138\n那我覺得對照於今天這個央行的報告當中的第一趴就跟你講說呢我們的超額儲蓄反映的一個問題呢台灣現在已經呈現了所謂的閒置資本過剩的現象但是閒置資本過剩的情況底下你又要留財又要引資回來這重點其實在哪裡在去處嘛\n\n01:22.098 --> 01:35.788\n關鍵在去處去處在哪裡在那環境嘛不是人來不來的問題根本還是環境的問題你去看一個就好我今天就舉一個全球金融中心的指數台北的排行從2016年21名2020年42名到了2022年變成73名他評估的指標是什麼人才環境基礎建設聲譽等等\n\n01:46.936 --> 01:56.683\n結果我們的資本實力越來越強但是我們的環境卻越來越差主委你怎麼看在這種情況底下你如何形成一個資產管理中心我想謝謝委員剛剛提供這些訊息我們也有去\n\n02:03.004 --> 02:25.567\n去了解一下因為我們評比有各式各樣的評比這個評比呢給我們一個比較我們比較比較嚴厲的對但是他其中但能不能接受他還不能接受啊不太服氣因為這部分我不覺得我們我們台灣在整個整個亞太的金融市場地位我們從各種指標就從委員剛剛看到這些東西但是我覺得我們要\n\n02:27.069 --> 02:41.181\n這個要努力的向國際去說明這件事情台灣的一些現況包括這些數字我們也會去了解一下這些指標的背後是不是有些地方比如說是因為資訊提供的問題或是一些指標我們可以來做一個揭露\n\n02:41.781 --> 02:55.536\n主委這個說明當然要持續性的但是是不是認真的面對是不是我們基本面有所欠缺的問題這才是關鍵因為現實上來說有些問題我們真的是要去想一想為什麼同樣的這個ETF在國外的這個收費標準跟國內\n\n03:00.822 --> 03:17.395\n就相差很多我講一個數字給你聽在去年高股息的ETF全民封ETF我們的這種費用率是座落在0.42%到1.37%之間相對國外的總費用率幾乎都座落在0.1%以下\n\n03:19.137 --> 03:30.887\n0.1下我們的低標都比人家高標高了好幾倍所以說這種情況下我們的環境當中是不是要去檢討去思考這個問題當然也有些業者他自我反省像原大的話0050他就0.355降到0.141\n\n03:35.111 --> 03:57.804\n那這會影響到什麼影響到我們的這個有關於這個勞保基金要不要購買ETF的一個問題關鍵所以你要如何把他吸引到這個IPO市場當中這都是關鍵啊主委有沒有覺得是這個問題然後你跟他推動了TISA你也是從這邊做切入點啊你的報告當中也講要讓他讓利他本該就讓利了\n\n04:01.046 --> 04:28.844\n他獲利太多了啦對不對主委請說其實其實我剛剛提到就是說我們在這個報告裡也提到一個其實我從去年開始不管我在高雄專區或是在很多跟金融業在討論這些未來市場發展的會議上都跟他提到金融業必須要面對我們市場要持續成長的這個這個這個目標但這個成長的結果呢不應該只有比如公司跟股東來做主要的分配事實上公司跟股東在成長\n\n04:30.925 --> 04:57.560\n就剛剛委員講的那個方向就是我們在努力的我們也希望說隨著市場的擴大那這個部分能夠呼應一下能夠就讓利對我想這部分也是我們應該要所以讓利不是只有在TESA的部分而已嘛對不對所以很多政經業者他自己思考這個問題啦我講實在話我們收費過高對投資人不夠友善我們人才的養成其實薪資過低以至於我們有些金融人才都還停留在新加坡或停留在這個香港\n\n04:58.320 --> 05:09.962\n為什麼這些人不回來如果這些人可以回來他也可以帶客戶回來啊你的資產管理中心就可以實現啊當然當然這就是基本面的問題嘛他的評鑑當中也有人才的問題為什麼人才不夠原因在哪裡\n\n05:11.377 --> 05:36.913\n你要留財之前要先引財引財之前要先引人才回來嘛這基本問題我們要去面對這個問題好就拉回來您再提的有關於這一個這個財務管理資產管理也就是說這個資產管理業到底是接近於投信投估業還是什麼沒有一個清楚的定義就這兩邊當中的連結度箭頭的連結度私人銀行是連結到財務管理能不能連結到這個\n\n05:38.594 --> 06:01.971\n資產管理那高資產是不是連結到財富管理高資產算不算資產管理這張圖當中看不出來那個連結性也就是看不出來所謂的定義是什麼當定義不清楚的話大家就很模糊當模糊的情況底下又要怎麼推廣我們有沒有可能再修改這個投信投顧業來清楚的定義所謂的所謂資產管理業是什麼\n\n06:02.892 --> 06:20.702\n有沒有可能這個跟委員報告其實每個國家它法制的結構很不同其實我在開始了解這個議題的時候發覺其實台灣沒有所謂一個執照叫做資產管理業所以比較好的應對的產業就是我們的投信業那再來還有我們的投顧業\n\n06:21.963 --> 06:50.752\n但是實際上後來發現說我們在國外真的對資產管理的概念也不限於只有我們的投信跟投顧他還做很多其他的內容譬如說包括我們的創投跟我們的PE也都是一個那我們需不需要再把它精準定義一下或者需要修改一些相關的法制所以我們現在的定義就是我們用一個更廣泛的資產管理的範圍把我們過去已經很有基礎的財富管理業務跟結合我們狹義的所謂資產管理我們現在的方式AMC也是資產管理啊\n\n06:51.332 --> 07:14.298\n那個不一樣那個不一樣名詞上看起來就相同啊那個名稱因為我們過去用了一個資產管理到底我們是什麼樣的資產管理搞不清楚嘛部長用你的智慧來定義一下啦好不好定義清楚一下該修法要修法嘛因為新的政策你需要在法制上落實嘛你一來就銜接現有的法制不然你就是在重新創造一個法制嘛不是嗎\n\n07:14.898 --> 07:41.556\n當然我們現在用你要推動這個政策問題要變成這個法制的問題跟基本面的問題啊不是嗎剛剛委員講的很好幾件事我們都非常認同第一個我們一定要讓人才有一個好的環境再來就是我們交易應該有一個很好的環境這些都是一個那個先決的要件那再來就是說我們對於法規剛剛那個範圍其實我們現在採取的就是用實務來定義這樣的一個範疇所以我們就結合了剛才兩大塊所以剛剛這部分我覺得我們未來也會隨著這個東西的改變做一些\n\n07:44.478 --> 08:07.429\n變化就像我們上次我們在報告有提到我們這次有開放外部資產管理服務業這個就是一個慢慢去對接國際的一個資產管理的概念你的眼神現在說我都可以理解但是我還跟你講說是基本面的問題要怎麼定義會更清楚我還在跟你談一個基本面的部分像之前啊這本席一直跟這個財務財政部門在argue的部分的這個印花稅的問題財政部過往就是要修這個這個所謂的這個重複課稅的這個稅務\n\n08:13.612 --> 08:35.082\n印花稅最大的受害者就是金融業嘛所以你理解吧你看113年繳了多少錢115億佔了61%這最大的受害者啊那你在稅制的環境當中你要面對改革啊不是嗎當整個國有資金來的時候你就覺得對這些人不公平嘛對金融業不公平嘛我說這基本面的問題我們總是要面對嘛\n\n08:36.298 --> 08:56.739\n主委印花稅站在你主管的金融業當中你要有一個基本的看法跟態度出來或一個說明或要求一個政策建議出來那個財政部那個不是建議啦說地方政府都反對哪個地方政府會贊成把我稅金拿走哪個地方政府會贊成問題是這個稅制科的合不合理嘛公不公平嘛不是嗎主委請說\n\n08:57.600 --> 09:15.720\n我想站在金融主管機關對稅的看法會跟財政部跟可能地方政府會有不一樣的看法那我們當然過去我們也接到很多業者的反應我們也持續的向我們的那個租稅主政單位我們去做這個反應當然尤其我們要推動國際資金的競爭的時候\n\n09:17.862 --> 09:32.317\n當我們有一些比較特別的碎製產生劣勢的時候我們還是會持續的溝通也能夠希望剛剛像委員講我們的環境能夠更具有競爭力對啊這個都是我今天跟你討論的其實都是在討論基本面的問題啦\n\n09:33.198 --> 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行、國家發展委員會及法務部就「如\n何促進台灣金融市場規模發展之執行策略（包括國際金融業務 OBU，國際保險業務 OIU，國際證\n券業務 OSU）」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143301_00004"}}}