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00:01:26,386\n經管會經管會報告委員我們大概所有的報告大概都準備好了我們大概就是按照程序來進行什麼時候會送啊那我們就按照我們委員會排審的時間我們來處理我看你們好像不大急齁但是你們在預算被動的時候齁這兩個不會當然我沒有聽到沒有看到你們下鄉去宣講啦\n\n5\n00:01:26,826 --> 00:01:49,242\n但是你們的網站也是寫說你們是不立什麼凍結預算不立這個不立那個影響校人啊不立財政啊不立什麼影響什麼建設服務啦那你們知道去年113年預算的解凍案是什麼時候開始送進立法院嗎因為去年也有預算被凍今年是114嘛現在2025嘛那2024的時候也有凍2023的預算也有被凍2024是什麼時候送進來解凍嗎\n\n6\n00:01:57,970 --> 00:02:03,592\n財政部是在我們去年立法院開議是2月20號正式開議財政部是在18天後開議的18天後在3月8號列入立法院的議程經管會是在3月20號就是33天後\n\n7\n00:02:19,336 --> 00:02:34,005\n就是說立法院開議幾天後開始來排解凍嘛開始把資料送過來你們要送過來立法院才能排議程嘛好你知道現在已經多少天了我們是2月11號正式開議了現在已經48天了你們有一個單位送過來給我們解凍嗎\n\n8\n00:02:36,121 --> 00:02:43,866\n沒有嘛財政會還沒有嘛對不對我們目前還在準備當中還沒準備好嘛今晚會啊還沒有對還沒有嘛對吧所以所以呢你們不急嘛可見沒有因為預算被動啊所以有什麼很大的影響嘛\n\n9\n00:02:55,854 --> 00:03:12,661\n因為像這個比如說動三層的話沒有影響啊你到現在都還沒有送過來都已經快兩個月啊你們也沒有送解凍案啊前面幾個月是我們還是民進黨團也不在乎啊因為民進黨團反正讓行政院院會也沒辦法像那個\n\n10\n00:03:13,861 --> 00:03:32,182\n總之那個大院有沒有院會也沒辦法開嘛反正他們站著主席台也不打算讓任何案子通過嘛所以他們也不在乎這個解凍案啦你們也不在乎嘛好謝謝次長來我們請今晚會主委我們跟請教一下OIU的部分你們OIU在各部分做免稅優惠延長這個10年嘛那原來你們設定的這個\n\n11\n00:03:36,496 --> 00:03:54,670\n這個數目和收入的這個總額跟你們原來預估的你看一下這個表原來我們預估設立是36家保險局上來截至112年底獲准成立20家達成率是55%原定預算規模31但截至112年底的規模只有達成1.39億只有達成4.65%\n\n12\n00:03:59,215 --> 00:04:04,541\n哇你看到史上最悲的這個新聞報導2025年的今年的報道上個月的報道OIU授權保單一年只賣四張啊四張一二三四四張五大關鍵原因這個經濟日報的報導五大關鍵原因來我先請問一下這個保險局您上來吧\n\n13\n00:04:20,595 --> 00:04:40,211\nOIU一年保單只賣四張我們剛剛那個數字都是相關報告應該沒有錯2024年全年只賣四張是這樣子嗎是的為什麼呢受險的一個新契約為什麼呢因為大概過去幾年我們的疫情因素的影響疫情好來沒錯疫情是第二點經濟日報說全球2020到2022爆發疫情第一點是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:43,274 --> 00:04:59,907\n是還有那個全球一個聚災聚災的一個衝擊的不可控的這些因素那還有我們整個外籍客戶比如說像我們的那個入客來台的人數也有減少第一點最大客源的入客遭大陸\n\n15\n00:05:00,868 --> 00:05:24,487\n限制來台客源少了一大塊嘛對不對然後第二個疫情啦第三個當然什麼美國的肥咖條款第四個地緣政治那還有一點實務上的我先跟您請教一下實務上我聽到很多保險業者跟我講說好像還有這個中間還有這個仲介手續費怎麼報的問題是不是有實際上遇到這個問題你知道我在說什麼嗎\n\n16\n00:05:26,969 --> 00:05:51,346\n業務員如果去拉客戶在海外拉客戶那可能有海外的海外的他們也會有海外的仲介那這邊也有這邊的仲介嘛你要拉客戶嘛拉那個大咖的客戶那這邊的這個仲介的這個海外的那個仲介的費用好像沒有辦法支出還是怎麼樣是這樣子吧您了解我的說什麼嗎您不了解實務面是吧報告委員就是說我們的那個費用好像沒有辦法支出啊還是怎麼樣\n\n17\n00:05:53,208 --> 00:06:14,642\n你知道嗎我要拉比如說我要拉彭金榮他是這個香港的巨富然後他有一個仲介也會有一個broker嘛那我們這邊也有仲介的嘛就是營業員就是broker就是然後我們透過我們的仲介去拉香港的這個巨富的時候那個那邊仲介的費用是沒有辦法報的耶我們相關的你了解這事情嗎\n\n18\n00:06:16,044 --> 00:06:32,973\n你不了解是不是哇你主管保險業務你不知道這是金融業者跟我們保險業者跟我們反映的而且說這是普遍的一個原因所造成這個這個業界沒有辦法去海外因為這個中間的這個整個費用差別很大所以他們去拉也不一定划算因為這個費用沒辦法保\n\n19\n00:06:33,553 --> 00:06:46,447\n你不了解你回去了解這個是實務面上遇到問題但是當然整體的大的環境的原因就是入客那當然地緣政治疫情已經結束了那說到地緣政治來我請主委\n\n20\n00:06:48,228 --> 00:06:55,591\n說到敵人政治賴總統3月13號他提出中國大陸是境外敵對勢力那這個是不是加劇了國人認為戰爭提高的風險性整個提高\n\n21\n00:07:04,414 --> 00:07:30,354\n我想這個在我們金管會我們考慮的點就是說我們在整個金融市場是不是足夠穩定跟透明我想這部分我們只是我們會來配合這不是你可以改變的啦我知道那這個但是這個對你在推不管是財富管理中心啦或者是在推這一種什麼OIU啊什麼這一類啦我想對於在美國啊日本啊各地都覺得台灣人真的很危險好像是一個隨時會發生戰爭的地方當台灣的有錢人\n\n22\n00:07:34,537 --> 00:07:57,530\n有資產高資產的人都紛紛的怕因為戰爭把自己的錢往外移的時候這個是應該現在普遍的情形至少我知道很多人都是這樣做紛紛的把高資產我們有高資產階層都紛紛把自己的錢往外移的時候我們如何期待世界各地的有權人把他們的錢拿來台灣讓我們來管理呢這個地緣政治影響實在是太大了\n\n23\n00:07:57,990 --> 00:08:25,857\n我想就剛剛跟幾個委員也報告過了我們要推這個計畫當然會有它的困難但是我們也不是只有困難我們也有我們的優勢反正這個東西也不是你可以影響我只是我說也是要讓我們的高層聽到如果一直把台海形塑成是一個可能打仗的地方其實保險局長在這裡包括現在世界上很多船運兵險這是相關的業者告訴我很多這個貨物都不願意靠來台灣\n\n24\n00:08:26,917 --> 00:08:43,673\n因為這個兵險很多保險公司不願意保國際保險公司也不願意保因為這個兵險的話是他們覺得不可以預期也許沒有辦法承擔的造成我們港口的這個進出很多頓速各方面的這個量也變少其實這是影響很大包括外資要不要來投資的這種\n\n25\n00:08:45,534 --> 00:08:59,106\n亂邦不入違邦不入亂邦不居嘛古時候不是如你這樣說嗎所以我們如果一直把自己造成是一個地緣政治比較風險高的地方事實上對你要完成的這個所謂不管是亞洲資產關係或者讓國人高資產潛留下來或讓外國有錢人進來的話這個機會很小啦\n\n26\n00:09:06,071 --> 00:09:28,814\n機會真的很小你會越來越困難啊到時候不是你兩年什麼有成你想做但是很難成功大環境實在太不好兩年我們是希望能夠大家能夠知道我們這個沒關係我跟你講在這個中間我看到一個機會我們去年不是有去金門考察這個兩岸金融市行區嗎在現在這個大家不要笑的確就是金門因為在現在兩岸沒有往來現在兩岸沒有往來但是金門還有往來\n\n27\n00:09:29,995 --> 00:09:56,309\n金門是有陸客的地方陸客現在還到金門去有團體行遊、有自由行遊金門也可以很正常的這樣往來一天還是好幾十班船兩岸的往來在金門還是很密切在金門像我們每個月大概金門地區去那邊不管是進鄉或者過來的還是團體還是相當多這個相當多一天大概上個禮拜就一千多上上禮拜一千多個人去媽祖進鄉再上個禮拜\n\n28\n00:09:57,490 --> 00:10:16,688\n保生大地大概有三五百個下個禮拜又有玄天上帝反正就是很多宗教文化各方面的往來我們去年有去考察說兩岸金門算是一個現在在台海局勢比較緊張的地方是大概我大概敢確定如果台海真的打仗金門應該是不會有戰爭的地方大概比較危險的是台灣島\n\n29\n00:10:21,733 --> 00:10:42,740\n所以我們有討論說把金門成為一個兩岸金融市行區國泰人壽在2016年也曾經去設OIU的這個據點後來因為後來結束因為是覺得地理位置好政策缺乏支持沒有成效所以我們講一下想請你上次我們已經去考察過了兩位副局長也有去現在在\n\n30\n00:10:43,200 --> 00:11:04,036\n入客在金門也可以團體來自由行可以來團體也可以來他們高資產大陸的高資產客戶也是很多所以如果請你openmind一點就是這個四點包括這個兩岸金融示範區這個部分是不是請相關的這個主管機關演繹一下相關的在法令行政上面可以協助的事項好嗎\n\n31\n00:11:05,057 --> 00:11:28,806\n是沒問題沒問題書面包給我媽看我們有沒有什麼發展的空間或者是在兩岸這個緊繃的情況下在一個比較至少在一個和平的島金門這個島上面是不是還有什麼兩岸是不是還有什麼可行的方向讓這個兩岸的氣氛在那裡可以慢慢的慢慢的讓氣氛慢慢平和然後讓到後來到台灣島的這個整個氣氛也可以平和\n\n32\n00:11:29,526 --> 00:11:36,536\n我會按照委員的指示一個月內把相關的研究的報告送給您好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6807\t14212\t謝謝主席我們請金管會還有財政部金管會主委還有財政部主委財政部阮次長委員長主委次長早你們這個預算通過後有沒有什麼有自愛燃刑嗎\n25271\t50636\t預算通過我看到你是說財政部跟不是 總預算總預算因為上次我們有申請復議就沒有通過沒有通過那現在你們有提出你們自愛燃刑的部分嗎當然裡面的確是有一些也有 金管會也有特別是通案通刪那一部分還有一些凍結的部分也有對 凍結那部分也受到一些影響解凍案送來了沒有 這兩個部分你們的解凍案送過來了沒有\n56321\t64407\t解凍解凍那部分對 看因為對你們凍結對財政部凍結的部分現在在準備當中還沒有是不是對 慢慢再處理慢慢啦 金管會送來沒\n67395\t86386\t經管會經管會報告委員我們大概所有的報告大概都準備好了我們大概就是按照程序來進行什麼時候會送啊那我們就按照我們委員會排審的時間我們來處理我看你們好像不大急齁但是你們在預算被動的時候齁這兩個不會當然我沒有聽到沒有看到你們下鄉去宣講啦\n86826\t109242\t但是你們的網站也是寫說你們是不立什麼凍結預算不立這個不立那個影響校人啊不立財政啊不立什麼影響什麼建設服務啦那你們知道去年113年預算的解凍案是什麼時候開始送進立法院嗎因為去年也有預算被凍今年是114嘛現在2025嘛那2024的時候也有凍2023的預算也有被凍2024是什麼時候送進來解凍嗎\n117970\t123592\t財政部是在我們去年立法院開議是2月20號正式開議財政部是在18天後開議的18天後在3月8號列入立法院的議程經管會是在3月20號就是33天後\n139336\t154005\t就是說立法院開議幾天後開始來排解凍嘛開始把資料送過來你們要送過來立法院才能排議程嘛好你知道現在已經多少天了我們是2月11號正式開議了現在已經48天了你們有一個單位送過來給我們解凍嗎\n156121\t163866\t沒有嘛 財政會還沒有嘛 對不對我們目前還在準備當中 還沒準備好嘛 今晚會啊 還沒有對 還沒有嘛 對吧所以 所以呢 你們不急嘛可見沒有因為預算被動啊 所以有什麼很大的影響嘛\n175854\t192661\t因為像這個比如說動三層的話沒有影響啊你到現在都還沒有送過來都已經快兩個月啊你們也沒有送解凍案啊前面幾個月是我們還是民進黨團也不在乎啊因為民進黨團反正讓行政院院會也沒辦法像那個\n193861\t212182\t總之那個大院有沒有 院會也沒辦法開嘛反正他們站著主席台也不打算讓任何案子通過嘛所以他們也不在乎這個解凍案啦你們也不在乎嘛好 謝謝次長來我們請今晚會主委我們跟請教一下OIU的部分你們OIU在各部分做免稅優惠延長這個10年嘛那原來你們設定的這個\n216496\t234670\t這個數目和收入的這個總額跟你們原來預估的你看一下這個表原來我們預估設立是36家保險局上來截至112年底獲准成立20家達成率是55%原定預算規模31但截至112年底的規模只有達成1.39億只有達成4.65%\n239215\t244541\t哇 你看到史上最悲的這個新聞報導2025年的 今年的報道 上個月的報道OIU授權保單一年只賣四張啊 四張一二三四 四張五大關鍵原因 這個經濟日報的報導五大關鍵原因來 我先請問一下這個保險局 您上來吧\n260595\t280211\tOIU一年保單只賣四張我們剛剛那個數字都是相關報告應該沒有錯2024年全年只賣四張是這樣子嗎是的為什麼呢受險的一個新契約為什麼呢因為大概過去幾年我們的疫情因素的影響疫情好來沒錯疫情是第二點經濟日報說全球2020到2022爆發疫情第一點是什麼\n283274\t299907\t是還有那個全球一個聚災聚災的一個衝擊的不可控的這些因素那還有我們整個外籍客戶比如說像我們的那個入客來台的人數也有減少第一點最大客源的入客遭大陸\n300868\t324487\t限制來台 客源少了一大塊嘛對不對然後第二個疫情啦第三個當然什麼美國的肥咖條款第四個地緣政治那還有一點實務上的我先跟您請教一下實務上我聽到很多保險業者跟我講說好像還有這個中間還有這個仲介手續費怎麼報的問題是不是有實際上遇到這個問題你知道我在說什麼嗎\n326969\t351346\t業務員如果去拉客戶 在海外拉客戶那可能有海外的 海外的 他們也會有海外的仲介那這邊也有這邊的仲介嘛 你要拉客戶嘛拉那個大咖的客戶那這邊的這個仲介的 這個海外的那個仲介的費用好像沒有辦法支出還是怎麼樣是這樣子吧 您了解我的說什麼嗎您不了解實務面是吧報告委員就是說我們的那個費用好像沒有辦法支出啊 還是怎麼樣\n353208\t374642\t你知道嗎 我要拉 比如說我要拉彭金榮他是這個香港的巨富然後他有一個仲介 也會有一個broker嘛那我們這邊也有仲介的嘛 就是營業員 就是broker就是 然後我們透過我們的仲介去拉香港的這個巨富的時候那個那邊仲介的費用是沒有辦法報的耶我們相關的 你了解這事情嗎\n376044\t392973\t你不了解是不是哇 你主管保險業務你不知道 這是金融業者跟我們保險業者跟我們反映的而且說這是普遍的一個原因所造成這個這個業界沒有辦法去海外因為這個中間的這個整個費用差別很大所以他們去拉也不一定划算因為這個費用沒辦法保\n393553\t406447\t你不了解你回去了解這個是實務面上遇到問題但是當然整體的大的環境的原因就是入客那當然地緣政治疫情已經結束了那說到地緣政治來我請主委\n408228\t415591\t說到敵人政治 賴總統3月13號他提出中國大陸是境外敵對勢力那這個是不是加劇了國人認為戰爭提高的風險性整個提高\n424414\t450354\t我想這個在我們金管會我們考慮的點就是說我們在整個金融市場是不是足夠穩定跟透明我想這部分我們只是我們會來配合這不是你可以改變的啦我知道那這個但是這個對你在推不管是財富管理中心啦或者是在推這一種什麼OIU啊什麼這一類啦我想對於在美國啊日本啊各地都覺得台灣人真的很危險好像是一個隨時會發生戰爭的地方當台灣的有錢人\n454537\t477530\t有資產高資產的人都紛紛的怕因為戰爭把自己的錢往外移的時候這個是應該現在普遍的情形至少我知道很多人都是這樣做紛紛的把高資產我們有高資產階層都紛紛把自己的錢往外移的時候我們如何期待世界各地的有權人把他們的錢拿來台灣讓我們來管理呢這個地緣政治影響實在是太大了\n477990\t505857\t我想就剛剛跟幾個委員也報告過了我們要推這個計畫當然會有它的困難但是我們也不是只有困難我們也有我們的優勢反正這個東西也不是你可以影響我只是我說也是要讓我們的高層聽到如果一直把台海形塑成是一個可能打仗的地方其實保險局長在這裡包括現在世界上很多船運 兵險這是相關的業者告訴我很多這個貨物都不願意靠來台灣\n506917\t523673\t因為這個兵險很多保險公司不願意保國際保險公司也不願意保因為這個兵險的話是他們覺得不可以預期也許沒有辦法承擔的造成我們港口的這個進出很多頓速各方面的這個量也變少其實這是影響很大包括外資要不要來投資的這種\n525534\t539106\t亂邦不入 違邦不入亂邦不居嘛 古時候不是如你這樣說嗎所以我們如果一直把自己造成是一個地緣政治比較風險高的地方事實上對你要完成的這個所謂不管是亞洲資產關係或者讓國人高資產潛留下來或讓外國有錢人進來的話這個機會很小啦\n546071\t568814\t機會真的很小 你會越來越困難啊到時候不是你兩年什麼有成你想做但是很難成功大環境實在太不好兩年我們是希望能夠大家能夠知道我們這個沒關係我跟你講在這個中間我看到一個機會我們去年不是有去金門考察這個兩岸金融市行區嗎在現在這個大家不要笑的確就是金門因為在現在兩岸沒有往來現在兩岸沒有往來但是金門還有往來\n569995\t596309\t金門是有陸客的地方陸客現在還到金門去有團體行遊、有自由行遊金門也可以很正常的這樣往來一天還是好幾十班船兩岸的往來在金門還是很密切在金門像我們每個月大概金門地區去那邊不管是進鄉或者過來的還是團體還是相當多這個相當多一天大概上個禮拜就一千多上上禮拜一千多個人去媽祖進鄉再上個禮拜\n597490\t616688\t保生大地大概有三五百個 下個禮拜又有玄天上帝反正就是很多宗教文化各方面的往來我們去年有去考察說兩岸金門算是一個現在在台海局勢比較緊張的地方是大概 我大概敢確定如果台海真的打仗金門應該是不會有戰爭的地方大概比較危險的是台灣島\n621733\t642740\t所以我們有討論說把金門成為一個兩岸金融市行區國泰人壽在2016年也曾經去設OIU的這個據點後來因為後來結束因為是覺得地理位置好政策缺乏支持沒有成效所以我們講一下想請你上次我們已經去考察過了兩位副局長也有去現在在\n643200\t664036\t入客在金門也可以團體來 自由行可以來 團體也可以來他們高資產大陸的高資產客戶也是很多所以如果請你open mind一點就是這個四點包括這個兩岸金融示範區這個部分是不是請相關的這個主管機關演繹一下相關的在法令行政上面可以協助的事項 好嗎\n665057\t688806\t是沒問題沒問題書面包給我媽看我們有沒有什麼發展的空間或者是在兩岸這個緊繃的情況下在一個比較至少在一個和平的島金門這個島上面是不是還有什麼兩岸是不是還有什麼可行的方向讓這個兩岸的氣氛在那裡可以慢慢的慢慢的讓氣氛慢慢平和然後讓到後來到台灣島的這個整個氣氛也可以平和\n689526\t696536\t我會按照委員的指示一個月內把相關的研究的報告送給您好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請金管會還有財政部金管會主委還有財政部主委財政部阮次長委員長主委次長早你們這個預算通過後有沒有什麼有自愛燃刑嗎\n預算通過我看到你是說財政部跟不是 總預算總預算因為上次我們有申請復議就沒有通過沒有通過那現在你們有提出你們自愛燃刑的部分嗎當然裡面的確是有一些也有 金管會也有特別是通案通刪那一部分還有一些凍結的部分也有對 凍結那部分也受到一些影響解凍案送來了沒有 這兩個部分你們的解凍案送過來了沒有\n解凍解凍那部分對 看因為對你們凍結對財政部凍結的部分現在在準備當中還沒有是不是對 慢慢再處理慢慢啦 金管會送來沒\n經管會經管會報告委員我們大概所有的報告大概都準備好了我們大概就是按照程序來進行什麼時候會送啊那我們就按照我們委員會排審的時間我們來處理我看你們好像不大急齁但是你們在預算被動的時候齁這兩個不會當然我沒有聽到沒有看到你們下鄉去宣講啦\n但是你們的網站也是寫說你們是不立什麼凍結預算不立這個不立那個影響校人啊不立財政啊不立什麼影響什麼建設服務啦那你們知道去年113年預算的解凍案是什麼時候開始送進立法院嗎因為去年也有預算被凍今年是114嘛現在2025嘛那2024的時候也有凍2023的預算也有被凍2024是什麼時候送進來解凍嗎\n財政部是在我們去年立法院開議是2月20號正式開議財政部是在18天後開議的18天後在3月8號列入立法院的議程經管會是在3月20號就是33天後\n就是說立法院開議幾天後開始來排解凍嘛開始把資料送過來你們要送過來立法院才能排議程嘛好你知道現在已經多少天了我們是2月11號正式開議了現在已經48天了你們有一個單位送過來給我們解凍嗎\n沒有嘛 財政會還沒有嘛 對不對我們目前還在準備當中 還沒準備好嘛 今晚會啊 還沒有對 還沒有嘛 對吧所以 所以呢 你們不急嘛可見沒有因為預算被動啊 所以有什麼很大的影響嘛\n因為像這個比如說動三層的話沒有影響啊你到現在都還沒有送過來都已經快兩個月啊你們也沒有送解凍案啊前面幾個月是我們還是民進黨團也不在乎啊因為民進黨團反正讓行政院院會也沒辦法像那個\n總之那個大院有沒有 院會也沒辦法開嘛反正他們站著主席台也不打算讓任何案子通過嘛所以他們也不在乎這個解凍案啦你們也不在乎嘛好 謝謝次長來我們請今晚會主委我們跟請教一下OIU的部分你們OIU在各部分做免稅優惠延長這個10年嘛那原來你們設定的這個\n這個數目和收入的這個總額跟你們原來預估的你看一下這個表原來我們預估設立是36家保險局上來截至112年底獲准成立20家達成率是55%原定預算規模31但截至112年底的規模只有達成1.39億只有達成4.65%\n哇 你看到史上最悲的這個新聞報導2025年的 今年的報道 上個月的報道OIU授權保單一年只賣四張啊 四張一二三四 四張五大關鍵原因 這個經濟日報的報導五大關鍵原因來 我先請問一下這個保險局 您上來吧\nOIU一年保單只賣四張我們剛剛那個數字都是相關報告應該沒有錯2024年全年只賣四張是這樣子嗎是的為什麼呢受險的一個新契約為什麼呢因為大概過去幾年我們的疫情因素的影響疫情好來沒錯疫情是第二點經濟日報說全球2020到2022爆發疫情第一點是什麼\n是還有那個全球一個聚災聚災的一個衝擊的不可控的這些因素那還有我們整個外籍客戶比如說像我們的那個入客來台的人數也有減少第一點最大客源的入客遭大陸\n限制來台 客源少了一大塊嘛對不對然後第二個疫情啦第三個當然什麼美國的肥咖條款第四個地緣政治那還有一點實務上的我先跟您請教一下實務上我聽到很多保險業者跟我講說好像還有這個中間還有這個仲介手續費怎麼報的問題是不是有實際上遇到這個問題你知道我在說什麼嗎\n業務員如果去拉客戶 在海外拉客戶那可能有海外的 海外的 他們也會有海外的仲介那這邊也有這邊的仲介嘛 你要拉客戶嘛拉那個大咖的客戶那這邊的這個仲介的 這個海外的那個仲介的費用好像沒有辦法支出還是怎麼樣是這樣子吧 您了解我的說什麼嗎您不了解實務面是吧報告委員就是說我們的那個費用好像沒有辦法支出啊 還是怎麼樣\n你知道嗎 我要拉 比如說我要拉彭金榮他是這個香港的巨富然後他有一個仲介 也會有一個broker嘛那我們這邊也有仲介的嘛 就是營業員 就是broker就是 然後我們透過我們的仲介去拉香港的這個巨富的時候那個那邊仲介的費用是沒有辦法報的耶我們相關的 你了解這事情嗎\n你不了解是不是哇 你主管保險業務你不知道 這是金融業者跟我們保險業者跟我們反映的而且說這是普遍的一個原因所造成這個這個業界沒有辦法去海外因為這個中間的這個整個費用差別很大所以他們去拉也不一定划算因為這個費用沒辦法保\n你不了解你回去了解這個是實務面上遇到問題但是當然整體的大的環境的原因就是入客那當然地緣政治疫情已經結束了那說到地緣政治來我請主委\n說到敵人政治 賴總統3月13號他提出中國大陸是境外敵對勢力那這個是不是加劇了國人認為戰爭提高的風險性整個提高\n我想這個在我們金管會我們考慮的點就是說我們在整個金融市場是不是足夠穩定跟透明我想這部分我們只是我們會來配合這不是你可以改變的啦我知道那這個但是這個對你在推不管是財富管理中心啦或者是在推這一種什麼OIU啊什麼這一類啦我想對於在美國啊日本啊各地都覺得台灣人真的很危險好像是一個隨時會發生戰爭的地方當台灣的有錢人\n有資產高資產的人都紛紛的怕因為戰爭把自己的錢往外移的時候這個是應該現在普遍的情形至少我知道很多人都是這樣做紛紛的把高資產我們有高資產階層都紛紛把自己的錢往外移的時候我們如何期待世界各地的有權人把他們的錢拿來台灣讓我們來管理呢這個地緣政治影響實在是太大了\n我想就剛剛跟幾個委員也報告過了我們要推這個計畫當然會有它的困難但是我們也不是只有困難我們也有我們的優勢反正這個東西也不是你可以影響我只是我說也是要讓我們的高層聽到如果一直把台海形塑成是一個可能打仗的地方其實保險局長在這裡包括現在世界上很多船運 兵險這是相關的業者告訴我很多這個貨物都不願意靠來台灣\n因為這個兵險很多保險公司不願意保國際保險公司也不願意保因為這個兵險的話是他們覺得不可以預期也許沒有辦法承擔的造成我們港口的這個進出很多頓速各方面的這個量也變少其實這是影響很大包括外資要不要來投資的這種\n亂邦不入 違邦不入亂邦不居嘛 古時候不是如你這樣說嗎所以我們如果一直把自己造成是一個地緣政治比較風險高的地方事實上對你要完成的這個所謂不管是亞洲資產關係或者讓國人高資產潛留下來或讓外國有錢人進來的話這個機會很小啦\n機會真的很小 你會越來越困難啊到時候不是你兩年什麼有成你想做但是很難成功大環境實在太不好兩年我們是希望能夠大家能夠知道我們這個沒關係我跟你講在這個中間我看到一個機會我們去年不是有去金門考察這個兩岸金融市行區嗎在現在這個大家不要笑的確就是金門因為在現在兩岸沒有往來現在兩岸沒有往來但是金門還有往來\n金門是有陸客的地方陸客現在還到金門去有團體行遊、有自由行遊金門也可以很正常的這樣往來一天還是好幾十班船兩岸的往來在金門還是很密切在金門像我們每個月大概金門地區去那邊不管是進鄉或者過來的還是團體還是相當多這個相當多一天大概上個禮拜就一千多上上禮拜一千多個人去媽祖進鄉再上個禮拜\n保生大地大概有三五百個 下個禮拜又有玄天上帝反正就是很多宗教文化各方面的往來我們去年有去考察說兩岸金門算是一個現在在台海局勢比較緊張的地方是大概 我大概敢確定如果台海真的打仗金門應該是不會有戰爭的地方大概比較危險的是台灣島\n所以我們有討論說把金門成為一個兩岸金融市行區國泰人壽在2016年也曾經去設OIU的這個據點後來因為後來結束因為是覺得地理位置好政策缺乏支持沒有成效所以我們講一下想請你上次我們已經去考察過了兩位副局長也有去現在在\n入客在金門也可以團體來 自由行可以來 團體也可以來他們高資產大陸的高資產客戶也是很多所以如果請你open mind一點就是這個四點包括這個兩岸金融示範區這個部分是不是請相關的這個主管機關演繹一下相關的在法令行政上面可以協助的事項 好嗎\n是沒問題沒問題書面包給我媽看我們有沒有什麼發展的空間或者是在兩岸這個緊繃的情況下在一個比較至少在一個和平的島金門這個島上面是不是還有什麼兩岸是不是還有什麼可行的方向讓這個兩岸的氣氛在那裡可以慢慢的慢慢的讓氣氛慢慢平和然後讓到後來到台灣島的這個整個氣氛也可以平和\n我會按照委員的指示一個月內把相關的研究的報告送給您好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.807 --> 00:14.212\n謝謝主席我們請金管會還有財政部金管會主委還有財政部主委財政部阮次長委員長主委次長早你們這個預算通過後有沒有什麼有自愛燃刑嗎\n\n00:25.271 --> 00:50.636\n預算通過我看到你是說財政部跟不是總預算總預算因為上次我們有申請復議就沒有通過沒有通過那現在你們有提出你們自愛燃刑的部分嗎當然裡面的確是有一些也有金管會也有特別是通案通刪那一部分還有一些凍結的部分也有對凍結那部分也受到一些影響解凍案送來了沒有這兩個部分你們的解凍案送過來了沒有\n\n00:56.321 --> 01:04.407\n解凍解凍那部分對看因為對你們凍結對財政部凍結的部分現在在準備當中還沒有是不是對慢慢再處理慢慢啦金管會送來沒\n\n01:07.395 --> 01:26.386\n經管會經管會報告委員我們大概所有的報告大概都準備好了我們大概就是按照程序來進行什麼時候會送啊那我們就按照我們委員會排審的時間我們來處理我看你們好像不大急齁但是你們在預算被動的時候齁這兩個不會當然我沒有聽到沒有看到你們下鄉去宣講啦\n\n01:26.826 --> 01:49.242\n但是你們的網站也是寫說你們是不立什麼凍結預算不立這個不立那個影響校人啊不立財政啊不立什麼影響什麼建設服務啦那你們知道去年113年預算的解凍案是什麼時候開始送進立法院嗎因為去年也有預算被凍今年是114嘛現在2025嘛那2024的時候也有凍2023的預算也有被凍2024是什麼時候送進來解凍嗎\n\n01:57.970 --> 02:03.592\n財政部是在我們去年立法院開議是2月20號正式開議財政部是在18天後開議的18天後在3月8號列入立法院的議程經管會是在3月20號就是33天後\n\n02:19.336 --> 02:34.005\n就是說立法院開議幾天後開始來排解凍嘛開始把資料送過來你們要送過來立法院才能排議程嘛好你知道現在已經多少天了我們是2月11號正式開議了現在已經48天了你們有一個單位送過來給我們解凍嗎\n\n02:36.121 --> 02:43.866\n沒有嘛財政會還沒有嘛對不對我們目前還在準備當中還沒準備好嘛今晚會啊還沒有對還沒有嘛對吧所以所以呢你們不急嘛可見沒有因為預算被動啊所以有什麼很大的影響嘛\n\n02:55.854 --> 03:12.661\n因為像這個比如說動三層的話沒有影響啊你到現在都還沒有送過來都已經快兩個月啊你們也沒有送解凍案啊前面幾個月是我們還是民進黨團也不在乎啊因為民進黨團反正讓行政院院會也沒辦法像那個\n\n03:13.861 --> 03:32.182\n總之那個大院有沒有院會也沒辦法開嘛反正他們站著主席台也不打算讓任何案子通過嘛所以他們也不在乎這個解凍案啦你們也不在乎嘛好謝謝次長來我們請今晚會主委我們跟請教一下OIU的部分你們OIU在各部分做免稅優惠延長這個10年嘛那原來你們設定的這個\n\n03:36.496 --> 03:54.670\n這個數目和收入的這個總額跟你們原來預估的你看一下這個表原來我們預估設立是36家保險局上來截至112年底獲准成立20家達成率是55%原定預算規模31但截至112年底的規模只有達成1.39億只有達成4.65%\n\n03:59.215 --> 04:04.541\n哇你看到史上最悲的這個新聞報導2025年的今年的報道上個月的報道OIU授權保單一年只賣四張啊四張一二三四四張五大關鍵原因這個經濟日報的報導五大關鍵原因來我先請問一下這個保險局您上來吧\n\n04:20.595 --> 04:40.211\nOIU一年保單只賣四張我們剛剛那個數字都是相關報告應該沒有錯2024年全年只賣四張是這樣子嗎是的為什麼呢受險的一個新契約為什麼呢因為大概過去幾年我們的疫情因素的影響疫情好來沒錯疫情是第二點經濟日報說全球2020到2022爆發疫情第一點是什麼\n\n04:43.274 --> 04:59.907\n是還有那個全球一個聚災聚災的一個衝擊的不可控的這些因素那還有我們整個外籍客戶比如說像我們的那個入客來台的人數也有減少第一點最大客源的入客遭大陸\n\n05:00.868 --> 05:24.487\n限制來台客源少了一大塊嘛對不對然後第二個疫情啦第三個當然什麼美國的肥咖條款第四個地緣政治那還有一點實務上的我先跟您請教一下實務上我聽到很多保險業者跟我講說好像還有這個中間還有這個仲介手續費怎麼報的問題是不是有實際上遇到這個問題你知道我在說什麼嗎\n\n05:26.969 --> 05:51.346\n業務員如果去拉客戶在海外拉客戶那可能有海外的海外的他們也會有海外的仲介那這邊也有這邊的仲介嘛你要拉客戶嘛拉那個大咖的客戶那這邊的這個仲介的這個海外的那個仲介的費用好像沒有辦法支出還是怎麼樣是這樣子吧您了解我的說什麼嗎您不了解實務面是吧報告委員就是說我們的那個費用好像沒有辦法支出啊還是怎麼樣\n\n05:53.208 --> 06:14.642\n你知道嗎我要拉比如說我要拉彭金榮他是這個香港的巨富然後他有一個仲介也會有一個broker嘛那我們這邊也有仲介的嘛就是營業員就是broker就是然後我們透過我們的仲介去拉香港的這個巨富的時候那個那邊仲介的費用是沒有辦法報的耶我們相關的你了解這事情嗎\n\n06:16.044 --> 06:32.973\n你不了解是不是哇你主管保險業務你不知道這是金融業者跟我們保險業者跟我們反映的而且說這是普遍的一個原因所造成這個這個業界沒有辦法去海外因為這個中間的這個整個費用差別很大所以他們去拉也不一定划算因為這個費用沒辦法保\n\n06:33.553 --> 06:46.447\n你不了解你回去了解這個是實務面上遇到問題但是當然整體的大的環境的原因就是入客那當然地緣政治疫情已經結束了那說到地緣政治來我請主委\n\n06:48.228 --> 06:55.591\n說到敵人政治賴總統3月13號他提出中國大陸是境外敵對勢力那這個是不是加劇了國人認為戰爭提高的風險性整個提高\n\n07:04.414 --> 07:30.354\n我想這個在我們金管會我們考慮的點就是說我們在整個金融市場是不是足夠穩定跟透明我想這部分我們只是我們會來配合這不是你可以改變的啦我知道那這個但是這個對你在推不管是財富管理中心啦或者是在推這一種什麼OIU啊什麼這一類啦我想對於在美國啊日本啊各地都覺得台灣人真的很危險好像是一個隨時會發生戰爭的地方當台灣的有錢人\n\n07:34.537 --> 07:57.530\n有資產高資產的人都紛紛的怕因為戰爭把自己的錢往外移的時候這個是應該現在普遍的情形至少我知道很多人都是這樣做紛紛的把高資產我們有高資產階層都紛紛把自己的錢往外移的時候我們如何期待世界各地的有權人把他們的錢拿來台灣讓我們來管理呢這個地緣政治影響實在是太大了\n\n07:57.990 --> 08:25.857\n我想就剛剛跟幾個委員也報告過了我們要推這個計畫當然會有它的困難但是我們也不是只有困難我們也有我們的優勢反正這個東西也不是你可以影響我只是我說也是要讓我們的高層聽到如果一直把台海形塑成是一個可能打仗的地方其實保險局長在這裡包括現在世界上很多船運兵險這是相關的業者告訴我很多這個貨物都不願意靠來台灣\n\n08:26.917 --> 08:43.673\n因為這個兵險很多保險公司不願意保國際保險公司也不願意保因為這個兵險的話是他們覺得不可以預期也許沒有辦法承擔的造成我們港口的這個進出很多頓速各方面的這個量也變少其實這是影響很大包括外資要不要來投資的這種\n\n08:45.534 --> 08:59.106\n亂邦不入違邦不入亂邦不居嘛古時候不是如你這樣說嗎所以我們如果一直把自己造成是一個地緣政治比較風險高的地方事實上對你要完成的這個所謂不管是亞洲資產關係或者讓國人高資產潛留下來或讓外國有錢人進來的話這個機會很小啦\n\n09:06.071 --> 09:28.814\n機會真的很小你會越來越困難啊到時候不是你兩年什麼有成你想做但是很難成功大環境實在太不好兩年我們是希望能夠大家能夠知道我們這個沒關係我跟你講在這個中間我看到一個機會我們去年不是有去金門考察這個兩岸金融市行區嗎在現在這個大家不要笑的確就是金門因為在現在兩岸沒有往來現在兩岸沒有往來但是金門還有往來\n\n09:29.995 --> 09:56.309\n金門是有陸客的地方陸客現在還到金門去有團體行遊、有自由行遊金門也可以很正常的這樣往來一天還是好幾十班船兩岸的往來在金門還是很密切在金門像我們每個月大概金門地區去那邊不管是進鄉或者過來的還是團體還是相當多這個相當多一天大概上個禮拜就一千多上上禮拜一千多個人去媽祖進鄉再上個禮拜\n\n09:57.490 --> 10:16.688\n保生大地大概有三五百個下個禮拜又有玄天上帝反正就是很多宗教文化各方面的往來我們去年有去考察說兩岸金門算是一個現在在台海局勢比較緊張的地方是大概我大概敢確定如果台海真的打仗金門應該是不會有戰爭的地方大概比較危險的是台灣島\n\n10:21.733 --> 10:42.740\n所以我們有討論說把金門成為一個兩岸金融市行區國泰人壽在2016年也曾經去設OIU的這個據點後來因為後來結束因為是覺得地理位置好政策缺乏支持沒有成效所以我們講一下想請你上次我們已經去考察過了兩位副局長也有去現在在\n\n10:43.200 --> 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