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00:00:30,172\n現在主席我請彭主委好彭主委委員好是主委好我想我們今天都在討論跟國際接軌但是有一個最重要需要跟國際接軌的就是打炸主委同意嗎當然是國際上共同面對的問題應該是全世界都一樣的問題那165的打炸儀表版在今年2月兩個月\n\n2\n00:00:31,872 --> 00:00:48,410\n就有高達兩萬三千多件最嚴重的是財損已經達到156億兩個月主委你覺得這個情況有改善嗎我們花了那麼多的力氣跟法案跟相關的人力物力這個情況還是不斷的在發生\n\n3\n00:00:48,490 --> 00:01:18,030\n我想如果說我們把那個時間拉長來看跟相較於去年11月的高點來看的話我們也看到數字有明顯的下降當然還是很高我想我們還是要持續的努力其實蠻可怕的就是國人在這上面還是不管我們用盡各種方法還是有這麼多人受害不過大部分經過調查大概就是假投資啊網路購物啊交朋友啊還有盜用帳號但是比較嚴重的都是被害人最後是透過ATM去操作\n\n4\n00:01:19,031 --> 00:01:37,168\nATM操作這件已經成為所有的被害人幾乎共同的經驗而且存款不管是各種狀況我們現在相關的打造業表板上面ATM被害的案子就已經一千兩百多件也就是說銀行局我看到他二月份的時候邀請各銀行來討論其實對於檢調單位\n\n5\n00:01:40,911 --> 00:01:56,292\n很重要就是利用ATM提款的時候不管是車手或者是民眾去轉帳其實都有可能可以阻詐的機會所以當時銀行局向銀行建議的是說用ATM提款轉帳的話\n\n6\n00:01:58,305 --> 00:02:16,698\n都有監視器其實如果用AI去辨識的話可以要求他露出全臉或者是沒有露出全臉的不讓他領權會限制他的一些功能這件事情現在進度怎麼樣現在的話我們上次因為這主要是有業者主動提供這個想法\n\n7\n00:02:17,959 --> 00:02:42,268\n現在如果AI辨識我們手機都可以辨識你有沒有戴口罩了我相信只要加入這些軟體的升級還有一些時間趕快進入我覺得這個部分金管會應該要大力的推動因為我們在我們有固定的跟銀行之間的聯繫公共機制已經有銀行他已經在做這個評估我們去查了一下公研院其實他們94年就已經有研製類似的監控系統\n\n8\n00:02:44,429 --> 00:03:03,242\n其實銀行也應該都有我想是各單位我想街大的銀行大概都有所謂的智能ATM正在成形我只是希望我們監管會能不能統一或者大家一起來努力很簡單第一個戴口罩的人可能不要他領第二個最嚴重的就是\n\n9\n00:03:05,999 --> 00:03:19,497\n邊領錢邊打手機打電話的那個就是歹徒在操控他的這個很可愛的有個日本大阪府他直接立法禁止在ATM前使用手機打電話我們也看到這個新聞\n\n10\n00:03:20,658 --> 00:03:38,099\n所以這部分可能是我們阻詐的一個可以的方向所以主委大家已經在做了而且有已經發現這個問題所在所以邊領錢邊打電話可能就是詐騙的其中一部分尤其是老人家這部分我們是不是可以從今天開始\n\n11\n00:03:39,040 --> 00:04:01,396\n給我一點一個可能我們可以做的時間表可以沒問題我可以跟委員提供我們現在的私底下提供我們食物現在進度因為很多事情不方便公開的說智能ATM可能是下一步組炸第二個當然可以更便民那最重要的是我們可以讓所謂的車手他領不到錢讓錢出不去這個可能是最最有效的方法\n\n12\n00:04:01,796 --> 00:04:29,005\n對他做一個警示的功能讓他說這個ATM是有防護的而且全民可能看到人家戴口罩戴安全帽去領錢可能稍微看一下第二個就是如果有人邊打電話邊理ATM後面的人也把他提醒一下其實我們跨銀行的溝通機制裡面我們都會把隨時有一些新的想法但是我們如果可以在第一時間在他領錢的那一剎那讓他變得很困難\n\n13\n00:04:30,305 --> 00:04:51,826\n至少緩衝他被詐騙或者是緩衝他領錢的機會其實我們還有想到很多其他的方式我們盡量用低成本來產生大小我想這個是我們接下來要做的用科技的方法用AI辨識的方式其實現在就可以組掉一半至少一千多件的ATM領款可能就會收到\n\n14\n00:04:53,907 --> 00:05:16,229\n接下來就是要問一下主委有關我們國際我們要做亞洲資產管理中心剛剛有很多同仁都已經問過了主要是其中一項很重要是家族辦公室家族資產的管理我想主委上任之後我也跟主委討論過為什麼台灣我們對於看到非常非常的有錢人他們常常在打遺產爭奪官司\n\n15\n00:05:18,212 --> 00:05:34,812\n或者是說他們自己的財產分配怎麼會做的這麼差第三個就是為什麼我們的法規還是會讓寫了遺囑的人不斷的碰到各種的爭端那最嚴重的是我想問一下這個資產亞洲資產主要是要針對國外的客戶還是國內的客戶\n\n16\n00:05:37,495 --> 00:05:50,435\n我想這兩個我們在很多的政策宣示上我們這兩個都是我們爭取的對象就是把台灣變成大家可以把錢放在這邊做好管理那其中有一塊我看到你們的東西\n\n17\n00:05:52,093 --> 00:06:15,581\n我看到那個信託工會他們有發聲明第二個信託我認為是一個資產管理很好的工具跟方法但是現在看起來是信託目前是就資產管理公司部分我們現在是以銀行為第一委託人我同意但是信託其實是一個很好的方法至少某個程度可以讓\n\n18\n00:06:16,681 --> 00:06:40,196\n委託人有自由意志來指定他的財產受益人但是我們看到我們跟國外很大的差異就是我們只能指定受益人在國外可以指定我的小孩我的孫子我的曾孫子我未來未來不知道幾代的孫子都可以所謂的家族信託也就是現在台灣目前這些法規能夠配得上嗎\n\n19\n00:06:41,318 --> 00:07:07,614\n現在確實剛剛也有委員有關切這一點我們剛剛也有特別請法務部的同仁來說明就是說現在確實也有一個提案是希望來修信託法那我們也跟委員會答應說我們會來跟法務部再來想我覺得這個是我們如果要跟國際接軌要讓大家把資產放在台灣來做管理的話你可能必須要跟不要說什麼瑞士銀行為什麼可以\n\n20\n00:07:08,454 --> 00:07:27,823\n幾百年因為他們就幾百年前就接受了所謂的信託他們可以照顧他的家族一輩子可能下輩子我們要跟其他市場做競爭很多的法制應該要比較有一致性的這個可能是在亞洲資產中心很重要的一塊這也是我們推動的一個一環我們會持續來跟法務部來合作我覺得這個是最重要的一環否則\n\n21\n00:07:29,224 --> 00:07:46,536\n台灣早就會有人把錢放到這邊來第二個就剛剛講的還有地緣政治嘛我們要讓人家成為把錢放到這裡來放心的地方我們就要做讓人放心的方法第二個讓人放心的法規能夠配合的上好現在那請那個法務部也上來好嗎\n\n22\n00:07:52,728 --> 00:07:57,612\n最後點時間我想跟主委討論一下就是上一次我問了有關虛擬貨幣現在美國川普總統已經把它作為所謂的\n\n23\n00:08:04,099 --> 00:08:24,988\n戰爭儲備政府的儲備第二個我們後來就很好奇他用什麼儲備所以他說他要去沒收扣押的錢扣押的虛幣所以我們就跟法務部調了台灣的政府也扣了很多虛幣法務部知道我們現在扣了非常非常多的虛幣我們的價值大概有多少\n\n24\n00:08:28,727 --> 00:08:32,609\n法務部提供的資料去年4月到今年3月一年比特幣扣押了將近203枚\n\n25\n00:08:46,115 --> 00:09:09,207\n折合台幣是5.5億以太幣2000多枚折合台幣1.47億還有很多穩定幣所以目前為止這些是政府扣押中的它可能有幾個去處第一個是要拍賣然後還給被害人第二個是有一些被政府沒收將來變成是法務部的資產可能是國家的資產我上次有跟主委提過有關我們虛擬資產業者我們要開始納管是的\n\n26\n00:09:12,749 --> 00:09:34,164\n這些將來可能的儲備現在可能就要開始討論所以我現在提供給你一個方向就是假如我們也有所謂的扣押的虛幣在儲備上面也可以作為金管會將來要訂立儲備這個部分可以跟法務部一起來討論一下有關未來\n\n27\n00:09:35,529 --> 00:09:52,501\n如果發生虛幣的問題虛幣的儲備要怎麼安排如果美國政府可以做那我們是不是有一些法案法規要來一起修正讓這些虛幣成為政府儲備的一個部分我想這部分是未來建構市場上面\n\n28\n00:09:53,502 --> 00:10:17,572\n假如它是一個成熟安全的市場遲早都會有建立遲早會來只是什麼時候來那現在有的相關的機制我們可能就要開始先做預防而且最重要的是我覺得虛擬貨幣接下去的納管在台灣應該會引起蠻多的迴響接下去民眾投入的會更多那安全性跟將來政府必須面對它\n\n29\n00:10:19,072 --> 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他做一個警示的功能讓他說這個ATM是有防護的而且全民可能看到人家戴口罩戴安全帽去領錢可能稍微看一下第二個就是如果有人邊打電話邊理ATM後面的人也把他提醒一下其實我們跨銀行的溝通機制裡面我們都會把隨時有一些新的想法但是我們如果可以在第一時間在他領錢的那一剎那讓他變得很困難\n至少緩衝他被詐騙或者是緩衝他領錢的機會其實我們還有想到很多其他的方式我們盡量用低成本來產生大小我想這個是我們接下來要做的用科技的方法用AI辨識的方式其實現在就可以組掉一半至少一千多件的ATM領款可能就會收到\n接下來就是要問一下主委有關我們國際我們要做亞洲資產管理中心剛剛有很多同仁都已經問過了主要是其中一項很重要是家族辦公室家族資產的管理我想主委上任之後我也跟主委討論過為什麼台灣我們對於看到非常非常的有錢人他們常常在打遺產爭奪官司\n或者是說他們自己的財產分配怎麼會做的這麼差第三個就是為什麼我們的法規還是會讓寫了遺囑的人不斷的碰到各種的爭端那最嚴重的是我想問一下這個資產亞洲資產主要是要針對國外的客戶還是國內的客戶\n我想這兩個我們在很多的政策宣示上我們這兩個都是我們爭取的對象就是把台灣變成大家可以把錢放在這邊做好管理那其中有一塊我看到你們的東西\n我看到那個信託工會他們有發聲明第二個信託我認為是一個資產管理很好的工具跟方法但是現在看起來是信託目前是就資產管理公司部分我們現在是以銀行為第一委託人我同意但是信託其實是一個很好的方法至少某個程度可以讓\n委託人有自由意志來指定他的財產受益人但是我們看到我們跟國外很大的差異就是我們只能指定受益人在國外可以指定我的小孩我的孫子我的曾孫子我未來未來不知道幾代的孫子都可以所謂的家族信託也就是現在台灣目前這些法規能夠配得上嗎\n現在確實剛剛也有委員有關切這一點我們剛剛也有特別請法務部的同仁來說明就是說現在確實也有一個提案是希望來修信託法那我們也跟委員會答應說我們會來跟法務部再來想我覺得這個是我們如果要跟國際接軌要讓大家把資產放在台灣來做管理的話你可能必須要跟不要說什麼 瑞士銀行為什麼可以\n幾百年因為他們就幾百年前就接受了所謂的信託他們可以照顧他的家族一輩子可能下輩子我們要跟其他市場做競爭很多的法制應該要比較有一致性的這個可能是在亞洲資產中心很重要的一塊這也是我們推動的一個一環我們會持續來跟法務部來合作我覺得這個是最重要的一環否則\n台灣早就會有人把錢放到這邊來第二個就剛剛講的還有地緣政治嘛我們要讓人家成為把錢放到這裡來放心的地方我們就要做讓人放心的方法第二個讓人放心的法規能夠配合的上好 現在那請那個法務部也上來好嗎\n最後點時間我想跟主委討論一下就是上一次我問了有關虛擬貨幣現在美國川普總統已經把它作為所謂的\n戰爭儲備政府的儲備第二個我們後來就很好奇他用什麼儲備所以他說他要去沒收扣押的錢扣押的虛幣所以我們就跟法務部調了台灣的政府也扣了很多虛幣法務部知道我們現在扣了非常非常多的虛幣我們的價值大概有多少\n法務部提供的資料去年4月到今年3月一年比特幣扣押了將近203枚\n折合台幣是5.5億以太幣2000多枚折合台幣1.47億還有很多穩定幣所以目前為止這些是政府扣押中的它可能有幾個去處第一個是要拍賣然後還給被害人第二個是有一些被政府沒收將來變成是法務部的資產可能是國家的資產我上次有跟主委提過有關我們虛擬資產業者我們要開始納管是的\n這些將來可能的儲備現在可能就要開始討論所以我現在提供給你一個方向就是假如我們也有所謂的扣押的虛幣在儲備上面也可以作為金管會將來要訂立儲備這個部分可以跟法務部一起來討論一下有關未來\n如果發生虛幣的問題虛幣的儲備要怎麼安排如果美國政府可以做那我們是不是有一些法案法規要來一起修正讓這些虛幣成為政府儲備的一個部分我想這部分是未來建構市場上面\n假如它是一個成熟安全的市場遲早都會有建立遲早會來只是什麼時候來那現在有的相關的機制我們可能就要開始先做預防而且最重要的是我覺得虛擬貨幣接下去的納管在台灣應該會引起蠻多的迴響接下去民眾投入的會更多那安全性跟將來政府必須面對它\n處理它這個問題會就在眼前 好嗎是 謝謝這個部分我也請主委就上次已經答應我要給我一個初步的方向 是的有 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.684 --> 00:30.172\n現在主席我請彭主委好彭主委委員好是主委好我想我們今天都在討論跟國際接軌但是有一個最重要需要跟國際接軌的就是打炸主委同意嗎當然是國際上共同面對的問題應該是全世界都一樣的問題那165的打炸儀表版在今年2月兩個月\n\n00:31.872 --> 00:48.410\n就有高達兩萬三千多件最嚴重的是財損已經達到156億兩個月主委你覺得這個情況有改善嗎我們花了那麼多的力氣跟法案跟相關的人力物力這個情況還是不斷的在發生\n\n00:48.490 --> 01:18.030\n我想如果說我們把那個時間拉長來看跟相較於去年11月的高點來看的話我們也看到數字有明顯的下降當然還是很高我想我們還是要持續的努力其實蠻可怕的就是國人在這上面還是不管我們用盡各種方法還是有這麼多人受害不過大部分經過調查大概就是假投資啊網路購物啊交朋友啊還有盜用帳號但是比較嚴重的都是被害人最後是透過ATM去操作\n\n01:19.031 --> 01:37.168\nATM操作這件已經成為所有的被害人幾乎共同的經驗而且存款不管是各種狀況我們現在相關的打造業表板上面ATM被害的案子就已經一千兩百多件也就是說銀行局我看到他二月份的時候邀請各銀行來討論其實對於檢調單位\n\n01:40.911 --> 01:56.292\n很重要就是利用ATM提款的時候不管是車手或者是民眾去轉帳其實都有可能可以阻詐的機會所以當時銀行局向銀行建議的是說用ATM提款轉帳的話\n\n01:58.305 --> 02:16.698\n都有監視器其實如果用AI去辨識的話可以要求他露出全臉或者是沒有露出全臉的不讓他領權會限制他的一些功能這件事情現在進度怎麼樣現在的話我們上次因為這主要是有業者主動提供這個想法\n\n02:17.959 --> 02:42.268\n現在如果AI辨識我們手機都可以辨識你有沒有戴口罩了我相信只要加入這些軟體的升級還有一些時間趕快進入我覺得這個部分金管會應該要大力的推動因為我們在我們有固定的跟銀行之間的聯繫公共機制已經有銀行他已經在做這個評估我們去查了一下公研院其實他們94年就已經有研製類似的監控系統\n\n02:44.429 --> 03:03.242\n其實銀行也應該都有我想是各單位我想街大的銀行大概都有所謂的智能ATM正在成形我只是希望我們監管會能不能統一或者大家一起來努力很簡單第一個戴口罩的人可能不要他領第二個最嚴重的就是\n\n03:05.999 --> 03:19.497\n邊領錢邊打手機打電話的那個就是歹徒在操控他的這個很可愛的有個日本大阪府他直接立法禁止在ATM前使用手機打電話我們也看到這個新聞\n\n03:20.658 --> 03:38.099\n所以這部分可能是我們阻詐的一個可以的方向所以主委大家已經在做了而且有已經發現這個問題所在所以邊領錢邊打電話可能就是詐騙的其中一部分尤其是老人家這部分我們是不是可以從今天開始\n\n03:39.040 --> 04:01.396\n給我一點一個可能我們可以做的時間表可以沒問題我可以跟委員提供我們現在的私底下提供我們食物現在進度因為很多事情不方便公開的說智能ATM可能是下一步組炸第二個當然可以更便民那最重要的是我們可以讓所謂的車手他領不到錢讓錢出不去這個可能是最最有效的方法\n\n04:01.796 --> 04:29.005\n對他做一個警示的功能讓他說這個ATM是有防護的而且全民可能看到人家戴口罩戴安全帽去領錢可能稍微看一下第二個就是如果有人邊打電話邊理ATM後面的人也把他提醒一下其實我們跨銀行的溝通機制裡面我們都會把隨時有一些新的想法但是我們如果可以在第一時間在他領錢的那一剎那讓他變得很困難\n\n04:30.305 --> 04:51.826\n至少緩衝他被詐騙或者是緩衝他領錢的機會其實我們還有想到很多其他的方式我們盡量用低成本來產生大小我想這個是我們接下來要做的用科技的方法用AI辨識的方式其實現在就可以組掉一半至少一千多件的ATM領款可能就會收到\n\n04:53.907 --> 05:16.229\n接下來就是要問一下主委有關我們國際我們要做亞洲資產管理中心剛剛有很多同仁都已經問過了主要是其中一項很重要是家族辦公室家族資產的管理我想主委上任之後我也跟主委討論過為什麼台灣我們對於看到非常非常的有錢人他們常常在打遺產爭奪官司\n\n05:18.212 --> 05:34.812\n或者是說他們自己的財產分配怎麼會做的這麼差第三個就是為什麼我們的法規還是會讓寫了遺囑的人不斷的碰到各種的爭端那最嚴重的是我想問一下這個資產亞洲資產主要是要針對國外的客戶還是國內的客戶\n\n05:37.495 --> 05:50.435\n我想這兩個我們在很多的政策宣示上我們這兩個都是我們爭取的對象就是把台灣變成大家可以把錢放在這邊做好管理那其中有一塊我看到你們的東西\n\n05:52.093 --> 06:15.581\n我看到那個信託工會他們有發聲明第二個信託我認為是一個資產管理很好的工具跟方法但是現在看起來是信託目前是就資產管理公司部分我們現在是以銀行為第一委託人我同意但是信託其實是一個很好的方法至少某個程度可以讓\n\n06:16.681 --> 06:40.196\n委託人有自由意志來指定他的財產受益人但是我們看到我們跟國外很大的差異就是我們只能指定受益人在國外可以指定我的小孩我的孫子我的曾孫子我未來未來不知道幾代的孫子都可以所謂的家族信託也就是現在台灣目前這些法規能夠配得上嗎\n\n06:41.318 --> 07:07.614\n現在確實剛剛也有委員有關切這一點我們剛剛也有特別請法務部的同仁來說明就是說現在確實也有一個提案是希望來修信託法那我們也跟委員會答應說我們會來跟法務部再來想我覺得這個是我們如果要跟國際接軌要讓大家把資產放在台灣來做管理的話你可能必須要跟不要說什麼瑞士銀行為什麼可以\n\n07:08.454 --> 07:27.823\n幾百年因為他們就幾百年前就接受了所謂的信託他們可以照顧他的家族一輩子可能下輩子我們要跟其他市場做競爭很多的法制應該要比較有一致性的這個可能是在亞洲資產中心很重要的一塊這也是我們推動的一個一環我們會持續來跟法務部來合作我覺得這個是最重要的一環否則\n\n07:29.224 --> 07:46.536\n台灣早就會有人把錢放到這邊來第二個就剛剛講的還有地緣政治嘛我們要讓人家成為把錢放到這裡來放心的地方我們就要做讓人放心的方法第二個讓人放心的法規能夠配合的上好現在那請那個法務部也上來好嗎\n\n07:52.728 --> 07:57.612\n最後點時間我想跟主委討論一下就是上一次我問了有關虛擬貨幣現在美國川普總統已經把它作為所謂的\n\n08:04.099 --> 08:24.988\n戰爭儲備政府的儲備第二個我們後來就很好奇他用什麼儲備所以他說他要去沒收扣押的錢扣押的虛幣所以我們就跟法務部調了台灣的政府也扣了很多虛幣法務部知道我們現在扣了非常非常多的虛幣我們的價值大概有多少\n\n08:28.727 --> 08:32.609\n法務部提供的資料去年4月到今年3月一年比特幣扣押了將近203枚\n\n08:46.115 --> 09:09.207\n折合台幣是5.5億以太幣2000多枚折合台幣1.47億還有很多穩定幣所以目前為止這些是政府扣押中的它可能有幾個去處第一個是要拍賣然後還給被害人第二個是有一些被政府沒收將來變成是法務部的資產可能是國家的資產我上次有跟主委提過有關我們虛擬資產業者我們要開始納管是的\n\n09:12.749 --> 09:34.164\n這些將來可能的儲備現在可能就要開始討論所以我現在提供給你一個方向就是假如我們也有所謂的扣押的虛幣在儲備上面也可以作為金管會將來要訂立儲備這個部分可以跟法務部一起來討論一下有關未來\n\n09:35.529 --> 09:52.501\n如果發生虛幣的問題虛幣的儲備要怎麼安排如果美國政府可以做那我們是不是有一些法案法規要來一起修正讓這些虛幣成為政府儲備的一個部分我想這部分是未來建構市場上面\n\n09:53.502 --> 10:17.572\n假如它是一個成熟安全的市場遲早都會有建立遲早會來只是什麼時候來那現在有的相關的機制我們可能就要開始先做預防而且最重要的是我覺得虛擬貨幣接下去的納管在台灣應該會引起蠻多的迴響接下去民眾投入的會更多那安全性跟將來政府必須面對它\n\n10:19.072 --> 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