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00:02:51,295\n現在的會賣給綠電但是如果以當年11塊的未必會賣給綠電所以我要問的就是說他們如果許約要展延的話他會回到現在的3.5塊還是還在那個11塊的水平會回到現在的3.5塊因為他重新開始了重新開始嘛他只用展延喔\n\n8\n00:02:52,656 --> 00:03:13,349\n這個要確定喔我要講的重點就是這樣因為早期的太陽能的准售費率非常的高那如果你還讓他用11塊的展延的話這樣是不合理的完全不對的不會啦好我這一塊確認那第二個就是說如果要申請展延的話我們可不可以要求他替換太陽能板\n\n9\n00:03:15,405 --> 00:03:37,706\n這個要看他我們可以我們希望他換但是通常他那個之前20年的成本已經回收他發電成本是非常低的所以他看看他到時候的市場狀況他有沒有意願但是這個我要請你們去評估因為早年的太陽能板的發電效率跟現在比起來差很多是的所以如果你可以用早年的太陽能板\n\n10\n00:03:38,707 --> 00:04:04,645\n然後去要求他更換才可以再給他另外一個展延的等收費率而且等收費率要符合現在的我覺得這件事情反而是對於台電才是符合經濟效益的我們可以來評估好不好這件事要加速評估好不好不要拖太久因為雖然20年還沒有到但是我想今年已經2025了嘛如果你這樣看起來大概這兩三年會有陸續出現到期的狀況\n\n11\n00:04:07,127 --> 00:04:27,255\n所以愛慰與籌謀應該要先要先有一些因應好不好好那我們接下來再請我們次長是不是先留著我們再請農業部黃次長以及我們國科會沒有沒有國科會不用那個內政部國土管理署副署長好來我要請教我們現在在於\n\n12\n00:04:35,717 --> 00:04:51,168\n外省鼎州的這個布沙計畫這個我想次長很清楚因為次長在水利署的時候事實上這案我一直在追那外省鼎州的布沙計畫原本他是要用在布袋山港清淤的那些嗨沙\n\n13\n00:04:52,149 --> 00:05:12,285\n要為布袋三港抓用船運把它帶到外山頂洲這是最原始的計畫但是這個船運的運費是龐大的所以我們後面抓用一個替代方式就是說現在布袋三港為了蓋海淡廠所以他們就是直接把這些土方去在海淡廠做填海造陸\n\n14\n00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:41,201\n這沒有問題嘛那外陝頂洲的問題要怎麼解決咧我在過年前我開了一個地方的協調會那我就是主要是說是不是協調包括漁業署內政部這邊趕快來變更計畫就是直接從外陝頂洲的東側直接做抽砂的方式然後抽到外陝頂洲的西側然後把整個那個砂岩把它墊高墊高之後就防止海浪\n\n15\n00:05:41,841 --> 00:06:09,191\n那個還硬啊打過去就刷刷的沖刷下去就是說要把它墊高的這個動作非常的重要那透過抽砂的相對成本最低那我想要請教我們相關的部會因為我們當時我都有邀請你們來召開我們地方的公聽會那這個案件的整體的變更計畫那目前這個程序是走到哪邊的第一個整體的外山警桌的保護計畫\n\n16\n00:06:11,946 --> 00:06:37,760\n水利署絕對會持續來做不是只有前述的方案那剛剛委員所說的沙園的部分前述的方案確實如此但是依照這個新的需求包括新的情勢的變化從委員所講的外山頂中的東側去抽沙之外另外可能河口的部分可以多抽沙這些也是可以那我們會請水利署來做相關計畫的這個修正因為\n\n17\n00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:56,165\n最後準博的是在內政部因為它是海岸的主管機關市長我知道站在經濟部的角度你們會支持那現在整個變更計畫因為它是行政院的一個上位計畫那要變更這個計畫是不是要從內政部這邊所以是不是國土署這邊了解這個進度嗎\n\n18\n00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:13,376\n那這個報委員今天因為這個不在今天議題內我是會後好沒關係他們就再回覆委員你們回去回覆一下說這個進度因為從過年前到現在已經過了三個月了那我們想要趕在今年年中前把計畫變更完畢\n\n19\n00:07:14,897 --> 00:07:38,779\n那這樣至少可以趕在看年底因為年底他又必須要訊息結束年底或者是明年可以執行好不好所以這個要緊好那我們再問一下也是延續剛剛類似的一個問題請教我們這個經濟部賴次長那整個我剛講的那布袋這邊填海造陸填海造陸未來就是要興建這個海水氮化廠\n\n20\n00:07:39,800 --> 00:08:00,817\n那這個填海造路的計畫目前進行到什麼階段我們今年大概六月底之前會把相關的環說書去送到環境部去進行環境影響評估的審查實施作業進入到程序裡面\n\n21\n00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:27,438\n所以今年六月會送到環境部對對那你們預估在什麼時候可以可以正式開始來進行這個計畫如果以你們正常的判斷的話因為這個環境影響評估的審查我們必須要尊重專業委員不過過去相關的案例大概是一年左右的這個審查的話我們是預估說只要說一年能夠通過審查後面的話大概是六\n\n22\n00:08:29,383 --> 00:08:45,536\n所以我們現在是期待這一案是不是在就是如果這樣抓起來大概在明年的大概在明年的年中左右可以把這個環評來完成審查如果沒有什麼意外的話大概是第四季啦明年的第四季我們希望說\n\n23\n00:08:47,284 --> 00:09:06,365\n以中為始我們希望因為這個海蛋廠對嘉義非常重要我們希望在121年之前就可以完成這些的建設好我覺得所有的工程的細節以及要協調的我們應該都要掌握好不要去讓它拖到了好不好好謝謝次長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13248\t37123\t好謝謝主席那我們是不是先請經濟部次長來次長好次長好次長那今天事實上我們討論整個議題那我想先就一個比較初步的議題就是我們關於再生能源的短壽倍率\n38348\t46991\t事實上我們知道從所謂再生能源發展條例在2009年正式刪讀然後在2010年這應該是馬英九執政的時候當年的費率是11塊到12塊9\n54824\t70354\t已經將近13塊那後來當然就逐年調降那一直到了我們看這一個圖表到了2020年的時候正式降到3.9塊那到了今年2025年是降到了3.5至5.7這個區段\n72816\t94958\t好所以我們看到整個太陽能的一個再生能源的一個發展隨著他技術的一個進步那以及他的發電效能的提高是讓短壽費率也是逐年的調降那我想要請教的是說那如果2010年最早期的這樣的一個太陽能的設備這個短壽費率勒11塊的到底到什麼時候才會結束\n99634\t125133\t現在的話 就你們的了解他這個20年到期就會結束了日後隨著剛剛委員所說的成本降低那很多的所謂的發電廠商或是綠能工發電廠商他就可以職工到市場他不需要透過這些的制度了好沒關係那是另外的那我想要問的是說如果他20年到了到了之後他可以再要求續約嗎\n131948\t151674\t他執照20年 20年到了之後他如果要續業他要先申請展延他的執照那每次是10年那到時候看看台電公司有沒有電力需求如果要續業就跟台電公司續業不過現在來講新的太陽光電大部分都是賣給需要綠電的人大部分都賣到業界去了\n152194\t171295\t現在的會賣給綠電但是如果以當年11塊的未必會賣給綠電所以我要問的就是說他們如果許約要展延的話他會回到現在的3.5塊還是還在那個11塊的水平會回到現在的3.5塊因為他重新開始了重新開始嘛他只用展延喔\n172656\t193349\t這個要確定喔我要講的重點就是這樣因為早期的太陽能的准售費率非常的高那如果你還讓他用11塊的展延的話這樣是不合理的完全不對的不會啦好我這一塊確認那第二個就是說如果要申請展延的話我們可不可以要求他替換太陽能板\n195405\t217706\t這個要看他我們可以我們希望他換但是通常他那個之前20年的成本已經回收他發電成本是非常低的所以他看看他到時候的市場狀況他有沒有意願但是這個我要請你們去評估因為早年的太陽能板的發電效率跟現在比起來差很多是的所以如果你可以用早年的太陽能板\n218707\t244645\t然後去要求他更換才可以再給他另外一個展延的等收費率而且等收費率要符合現在的我覺得這件事情反而是對於台電才是符合經濟效益的我們可以來評估好不好這件事要加速評估好不好不要拖太久因為雖然20年還沒有到但是我想今年已經2025了嘛如果你這樣看起來大概這兩三年會有陸續出現到期的狀況\n247127\t267255\t所以愛慰與籌謀應該要先要先有一些因應好不好好那我們接下來再請我們次長是不是先留著我們再請農業部黃次長以及我們國科會沒有沒有國科會不用那個內政部國土管理署副署長好來我要請教我們現在在於\n275717\t291168\t外省鼎州的這個布沙計畫這個我想次長很清楚因為次長在水利署的時候事實上這案我一直在追那外省鼎州的布沙計畫原本他是要用在布袋山港清淤的那些嗨沙\n292149\t312285\t要為布袋三港 抓用船運把它帶到外山頂洲這是最原始的計畫但是這個船運的運費是龐大的所以我們後面抓用一個替代方式就是說現在布袋三港為了蓋海淡廠所以他們就是直接把這些土方去在海淡廠做填海造陸\n313646\t341201\t這沒有問題嘛那外陝頂洲的問題要怎麼解決咧我在過年前我開了一個地方的協調會那我就是主要是說是不是協調包括漁業署內政部這邊趕快來變更計畫就是直接從外陝頂洲的東側直接做抽砂的方式然後抽到外陝頂洲的西側然後把整個那個砂岩把它墊高墊高之後就防止海浪\n341841\t369191\t那個還硬啊 打過去就刷刷的沖刷下去就是說要把它墊高的這個動作非常的重要那透過抽砂的相對成本最低那我想要請教我們相關的部會因為我們當時我都有邀請你們來召開我們地方的公聽會那這個案件的整體的變更計畫那目前這個程序是走到哪邊的第一個整體的外山警桌的保護計畫\n371946\t397760\t水利署絕對會持續來做不是只有前述的方案那剛剛委員所說的沙園的部分前述的方案確實如此但是依照這個新的需求包括新的情勢的變化從委員所講的外山頂中的東側去抽沙之外另外可能河口的部分可以多抽沙這些也是可以那我們會請水利署來做相關計畫的這個修正因為\n398400\t416165\t最後準博的是在內政部因為它是海岸的主管機關市長我知道站在經濟部的角度你們會支持那現在整個變更計畫因為它是行政院的一個上位計畫那要變更這個計畫是不是要從內政部這邊所以是不是國土署這邊了解這個進度嗎\n419720\t433376\t那這個 報委員今天 因為這個不在今天議題內我是會後 好沒關係 他們就再回覆委員你們回去回覆一下 說這個進度因為從過年前到現在已經過了三個月了那我們想要趕在今年年中前把計畫變更完畢\n434897\t458779\t那這樣至少可以趕在看年底因為年底他又必須要訊息結束年底或者是明年可以執行好不好所以這個要緊好那我們再問一下也是延續剛剛類似的一個問題請教我們這個經濟部賴次長那整個我剛講的那布袋這邊填海造陸填海造陸未來就是要興建這個海水氮化廠\n459800\t480817\t那這個填海造路的計畫目前進行到什麼階段我們今年大概六月底之前會把相關的環說書去送到環境部去進行環境影響評估的審查實施作業進入到程序裡面\n481584\t507438\t所以今年六月會送到環境部對對那你們預估在什麼時候可以可以正式開始來進行這個計畫如果以你們正常的判斷的話因為這個環境影響評估的審查我們必須要尊重專業委員不過過去相關的案例大概是一年左右的這個審查的話我們是預估說只要說一年能夠通過審查後面的話大概是六\n509383\t525536\t所以我們現在是期待這一案是不是在就是如果這樣抓起來大概在明年的大概在明年的年中左右可以把這個環評來完成審查如果沒有什麼意外的話大概是第四季啦明年的第四季我們希望說\n527284\t546365\t以中為始我們希望因為這個海蛋廠對嘉義非常重要我們希望在121年之前就可以完成這些的建設好我覺得所有的工程的細節以及要協調的我們應該都要掌握好不要去讓它拖到了好不好好謝謝次長好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那我們是不是先請經濟部次長來次長好次長好次長那今天事實上我們討論整個議題那我想先就一個比較初步的議題就是我們關於再生能源的短壽倍率\n事實上我們知道從所謂再生能源發展條例在2009年正式刪讀然後在2010年這應該是馬英九執政的時候當年的費率是11塊到12塊9\n已經將近13塊那後來當然就逐年調降那一直到了我們看這一個圖表到了2020年的時候正式降到3.9塊那到了今年2025年是降到了3.5至5.7這個區段\n好所以我們看到整個太陽能的一個再生能源的一個發展隨著他技術的一個進步那以及他的發電效能的提高是讓短壽費率也是逐年的調降那我想要請教的是說那如果2010年最早期的這樣的一個太陽能的設備這個短壽費率勒11塊的到底到什麼時候才會結束\n現在的話 就你們的了解他這個20年到期就會結束了日後隨著剛剛委員所說的成本降低那很多的所謂的發電廠商或是綠能工發電廠商他就可以職工到市場他不需要透過這些的制度了好沒關係那是另外的那我想要問的是說如果他20年到了到了之後他可以再要求續約嗎\n他執照20年 20年到了之後他如果要續業他要先申請展延他的執照那每次是10年那到時候看看台電公司有沒有電力需求如果要續業就跟台電公司續業不過現在來講新的太陽光電大部分都是賣給需要綠電的人大部分都賣到業界去了\n現在的會賣給綠電但是如果以當年11塊的未必會賣給綠電所以我要問的就是說他們如果許約要展延的話他會回到現在的3.5塊還是還在那個11塊的水平會回到現在的3.5塊因為他重新開始了重新開始嘛他只用展延喔\n這個要確定喔我要講的重點就是這樣因為早期的太陽能的准售費率非常的高那如果你還讓他用11塊的展延的話這樣是不合理的完全不對的不會啦好我這一塊確認那第二個就是說如果要申請展延的話我們可不可以要求他替換太陽能板\n這個要看他我們可以我們希望他換但是通常他那個之前20年的成本已經回收他發電成本是非常低的所以他看看他到時候的市場狀況他有沒有意願但是這個我要請你們去評估因為早年的太陽能板的發電效率跟現在比起來差很多是的所以如果你可以用早年的太陽能板\n然後去要求他更換才可以再給他另外一個展延的等收費率而且等收費率要符合現在的我覺得這件事情反而是對於台電才是符合經濟效益的我們可以來評估好不好這件事要加速評估好不好不要拖太久因為雖然20年還沒有到但是我想今年已經2025了嘛如果你這樣看起來大概這兩三年會有陸續出現到期的狀況\n所以愛慰與籌謀應該要先要先有一些因應好不好好那我們接下來再請我們次長是不是先留著我們再請農業部黃次長以及我們國科會沒有沒有國科會不用那個內政部國土管理署副署長好來我要請教我們現在在於\n外省鼎州的這個布沙計畫這個我想次長很清楚因為次長在水利署的時候事實上這案我一直在追那外省鼎州的布沙計畫原本他是要用在布袋山港清淤的那些嗨沙\n要為布袋三港 抓用船運把它帶到外山頂洲這是最原始的計畫但是這個船運的運費是龐大的所以我們後面抓用一個替代方式就是說現在布袋三港為了蓋海淡廠所以他們就是直接把這些土方去在海淡廠做填海造陸\n這沒有問題嘛那外陝頂洲的問題要怎麼解決咧我在過年前我開了一個地方的協調會那我就是主要是說是不是協調包括漁業署內政部這邊趕快來變更計畫就是直接從外陝頂洲的東側直接做抽砂的方式然後抽到外陝頂洲的西側然後把整個那個砂岩把它墊高墊高之後就防止海浪\n那個還硬啊 打過去就刷刷的沖刷下去就是說要把它墊高的這個動作非常的重要那透過抽砂的相對成本最低那我想要請教我們相關的部會因為我們當時我都有邀請你們來召開我們地方的公聽會那這個案件的整體的變更計畫那目前這個程序是走到哪邊的第一個整體的外山警桌的保護計畫\n水利署絕對會持續來做不是只有前述的方案那剛剛委員所說的沙園的部分前述的方案確實如此但是依照這個新的需求包括新的情勢的變化從委員所講的外山頂中的東側去抽沙之外另外可能河口的部分可以多抽沙這些也是可以那我們會請水利署來做相關計畫的這個修正因為\n最後準博的是在內政部因為它是海岸的主管機關市長我知道站在經濟部的角度你們會支持那現在整個變更計畫因為它是行政院的一個上位計畫那要變更這個計畫是不是要從內政部這邊所以是不是國土署這邊了解這個進度嗎\n那這個 報委員今天 因為這個不在今天議題內我是會後 好沒關係 他們就再回覆委員你們回去回覆一下 說這個進度因為從過年前到現在已經過了三個月了那我們想要趕在今年年中前把計畫變更完畢\n那這樣至少可以趕在看年底因為年底他又必須要訊息結束年底或者是明年可以執行好不好所以這個要緊好那我們再問一下也是延續剛剛類似的一個問題請教我們這個經濟部賴次長那整個我剛講的那布袋這邊填海造陸填海造陸未來就是要興建這個海水氮化廠\n那這個填海造路的計畫目前進行到什麼階段我們今年大概六月底之前會把相關的環說書去送到環境部去進行環境影響評估的審查實施作業進入到程序裡面\n所以今年六月會送到環境部對對那你們預估在什麼時候可以可以正式開始來進行這個計畫如果以你們正常的判斷的話因為這個環境影響評估的審查我們必須要尊重專業委員不過過去相關的案例大概是一年左右的這個審查的話我們是預估說只要說一年能夠通過審查後面的話大概是六\n所以我們現在是期待這一案是不是在就是如果這樣抓起來大概在明年的大概在明年的年中左右可以把這個環評來完成審查如果沒有什麼意外的話大概是第四季啦明年的第四季我們希望說\n以中為始我們希望因為這個海蛋廠對嘉義非常重要我們希望在121年之前就可以完成這些的建設好我覺得所有的工程的細節以及要協調的我們應該都要掌握好不要去讓它拖到了好不好好謝謝次長好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.248 --> 00:37.123\n好謝謝主席那我們是不是先請經濟部次長來次長好次長好次長那今天事實上我們討論整個議題那我想先就一個比較初步的議題就是我們關於再生能源的短壽倍率\n\n00:38.348 --> 00:46.991\n事實上我們知道從所謂再生能源發展條例在2009年正式刪讀然後在2010年這應該是馬英九執政的時候當年的費率是11塊到12塊9\n\n00:54.824 --> 01:10.354\n已經將近13塊那後來當然就逐年調降那一直到了我們看這一個圖表到了2020年的時候正式降到3.9塊那到了今年2025年是降到了3.5至5.7這個區段\n\n01:12.816 --> 01:34.958\n好所以我們看到整個太陽能的一個再生能源的一個發展隨著他技術的一個進步那以及他的發電效能的提高是讓短壽費率也是逐年的調降那我想要請教的是說那如果2010年最早期的這樣的一個太陽能的設備這個短壽費率勒11塊的到底到什麼時候才會結束\n\n01:39.634 --> 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