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00:01:07,536\n那如果說兩岸發生衝突的時候我可以預想到可能會有兩個問題嘛第一個就是連外這個外國的網路可能會因此中斷只能可能用這個地軌衛星來做一些必要時的替代第二個是電力的問題因為像這個天然氣船也因為這樣子不敢來台灣就造成台灣電力的問題所以就這兩個部分我來跟助理做一個請教跟討論啦就是假設我們這個台海發生一些問題導致連外的\n\n4\n00:01:10,378 --> 00:01:34,675\n電纜發生問題那我們目前使用的一些可能通訊軟體有哪一些他可能是沒有辦法用的簡單來講就是說如果那通訊軟體的他的server是在國外的假設對國外的通訊路徑上已經終止的話那大概是沒辦法用但是他目前業者的部件大概是多路由的多有備援基本上他的韌性會相對比較好\n\n5\n00:01:35,856 --> 00:02:02,187\n那也有一些他SF是MIRROR的其實在國內境內都會有一些對應短期內衝擊還不大如果是真的對外完全斷網但是任性的部分部件包括衛星海欄那邊只要維持住的話其實應該都不會不通那我確定就是假設連外的海欄都中斷的情況下那像我們一般的LINE剛剛主委有說如果說他在台灣有使用機房的話\n\n6\n00:02:03,651 --> 00:02:27,222\n如果說通訊業者在我們國內有機房的話或許還是可以通訊的那以LINE來講因為LINE是我們台灣最廣泛使用的嘛或者是臉書的Message或者是可能WhatsApp這三家可能是大家最常用的啦那他哪一家他們三家在如果說真的連外網路斷掉的時候那哪一些可能是分別可以用的可能先讓大家民眾心裡有個底這樣子\n\n7\n00:02:28,238 --> 00:02:43,654\n直接講結果講到極致如果海欖都斷了還有衛星那衛星的話因為頻寬有限所以大家要搶衛星對那一定是國家優先嘛對國家的訊息優先那這三家就是都斷了情況下這三家通訊軟體有辦法用嗎\n\n8\n00:02:45,445 --> 00:03:08,161\n有沒有機房在我們國內國內自己的衛星應該會以這個公共利益的為主就是剛剛委員所講的可能也許是公家機關或者軍方或怎麼樣來為主國安單位為主那如果是國外的衛星但是我要跟主委確認啦就是這三家在我們國內目前是沒有部件機房的所以說聯外中斷的話我們是沒有辦法透過這些通訊軟體去做聯繫的嘛\n\n9\n00:03:11,283 --> 00:03:27,827\n理論上是這樣子那有沒有哪一個軟體應該是我們可以推薦給大家是可以用的應該不存在這種我記得我們國家之前不是有推過一個也是通訊軟體嗎什麼挖的還在嗎JokerJoker還在嗎應該還在我想這個我們總是未雨綢繆啦\n\n10\n00:03:33,649 --> 00:03:48,681\n那如果只在國內使用當然沒問題就沒問題嗎就另類的intranet一樣所以你們可能要去確認一下如果說真的當另外網路斷掉的時候我們國內的民眾可能用哪樣子的一個通訊軟體他是有辦法維持我們聯繫功能的包括我們國家可能要發送訊息的時候也是相對\n\n11\n00:03:49,821 --> 00:04:11,532\n順暢的希望說我們來盤點一下那後續我們當然是會可能要積極的是不是來爭取這些國外我們大家使用的一個通訊軟體的業者我們在台灣也能夠有相對應的機房能夠維持通訊的一個順暢如果說沒有辦法連到他們的國外的機房的話我覺得這可能是我們必要後續要做的不知道主委認不認同認同\n\n12\n00:04:12,993 --> 00:04:32,230\n認同嗎好那就麻煩我們的主委那第二個就是當然通訊是一個問題那第二個就是基地還需要電力嘛那電力通訊業者我們就是三大通訊業者佔我們台灣的總體電力的消耗率大概佔比1%而已其實沒有很高大概1%\n\n13\n00:04:33,171 --> 00:04:54,067\n那當然如果說台海發生一些狀況的時候一些天然氣船可能進不來但是我們國家對於天然氣的儲備的天數也是有限的嘛可能第一天沒問題第二天沒問題但是一旦發生這樣的情況政府一定會開始限電主委您瞭解就是我們基地台的一個限電的編組他是在哪一類嗎\n\n14\n00:04:55,978 --> 00:05:24,521\n這部分我不清楚應該是台電他們的規劃但是跟委員補充報告兩點如果是短時間的市電市電台電供應的市電中斷的話其實我們在基地台那邊有要求業者要做好一些備援的台海被封鎖不可能是幾小時的事我知道你們基地台都有備援電源按這個就是法定有規定幾個小時但一定是我們一定是討論可能幾天幾週或是上月的一個時間所以你們並沒有跟台電了解你們我們的限電邊阻\n\n15\n00:05:25,843 --> 00:05:37,077\n我不知道但是我可以確定一點是因為通訊這些都是關鍵都是CI我相信CI通訊的CI算是所有的東西的一個根本應該是優先訊號還蠻高的你後續就跟台電確認一下就是保障我們國內通訊的韌性\n\n16\n00:05:42,023 --> 00:06:04,911\n光網路的部件不夠我們要有電基地還要能夠運作那通訊才會順暢嘛那就後續因為我知道台電有分就像之前台灣可能停電的時候都有分誰先停電誰先沒有停電嘛醫院不會停電嘛重要的國防設施不會停電嘛那我們通訊設備會不會被停電我想這是我們NCC可能後續要去了解的那或許是不是也是去爭取一下如果說它的限電編組\n\n17\n00:06:06,451 --> 00:06:28,239\n使用電力的流線順序是比較後面的我們是不是要爭取在比較前面一點要確保電力通訊的安全好不好這一點沒問題我們會世界的轉達反應好那就是這兩點那主委這個今天你也站滿久了你休息一下好了謝謝委員謝謝委員那今天我看這個好像法務部次長有來請教一下次長好了來黃次長黃次長黃次長\n\n18\n00:06:32,128 --> 00:06:35,406\n因為都沒人去找我們不好意思沒禮貌我們的錯\n\n19\n00:06:39,988 --> 00:07:07,492\n市長好不好意思今天您來了但我當然要問你跟這個可能今天的這個主題沒有關係但您來就問你法務部的事情因為今天早上有這個相關的新聞你非常清楚就是共諜案那有可能被調查然後這個被這個交保的情況嘛那我想確認一下他被交保了嗎我們法務部後續會不會有抗告的行為啊就認為這個危害國家安全重大這個不可以放出來怎麼可以放出來這個案子你了解嗎\n\n20\n00:07:08,581 --> 00:07:34,087\n不好意思因為我今天早上很早就過來這邊了那這個是我們檢查機關在辦理那法務部是做法務行政所以對於個案我們都尊重檢查機關的偵辦那是否有抗告我相信檢察官會以法審著作來處理因為我不是很確認今天早上的新聞這個交保是法院裁定的還是檢察官直接命交保的所以這個部分讓我們在我想站在國家安全的角度啦因為最近都有一些這個\n\n21\n00:07:36,198 --> 00:07:56,418\n收押禁戒的新聞嘛譬如違反個資法收押禁戒就兩件了嘛對不對結果就很多的民眾在質疑怎麼違反國安法然後把機密資料外洩給可能總統所說的敵對私利結果居然交保出來了那大家會擔心你交保出來之後你家還有沒有什麼如果說你平常就有在洩密的一個的習慣的話\n\n22\n00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:06,640\n那你家裡有沒有藏一些機密平常就把一些政府的一些公文重要的文書copy在家裡那你出來的時候你還是有些什麼的可能啊\n\n23\n00:08:07,455 --> 00:08:29,475\n我想這一些都是相關的案情具體個案的狀況都不一樣好不好我就請我們的次長站在保護國家安全的情況下審慎的來檢視這個案件檢視我們再提出抗告說要的必要以保障我們國家的機密的資訊有任何外洩的可能好謝謝我們會回答相關的檢查單位謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6343\t10433\t好 謝謝主席 一樣麻煩我們這個陳代理主委好 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好 那就麻煩我們的主委那第二個就是當然通訊是一個問題那第二個就是基地還需要電力嘛那電力通訊業者我們就是三大通訊業者佔我們台灣的總體電力的消耗率大概佔比1%而已其實沒有很高 大概1%\n273171\t294067\t那當然如果說台海發生一些狀況的時候一些天然氣船可能進不來但是我們國家對於天然氣的儲備的天數也是有限的嘛可能第一天沒問題第二天沒問題但是一旦發生這樣的情況政府一定會開始限電主委您瞭解就是我們基地台的一個限電的編組他是在哪一類嗎\n295978\t324521\t這部分我不清楚應該是台電他們的規劃但是跟委員補充報告兩點如果是短時間的市電市電台電供應的市電中斷的話其實我們在基地台那邊有要求業者要做好一些備援的台海被封鎖不可能是幾小時的事我知道你們基地台都有備援電源按這個就是法定有規定幾個小時但一定是我們一定是討論可能幾天幾週或是上月的一個時間所以你們並沒有跟台電了解你們我們的限電邊阻\n325843\t337077\t我不知道但是我可以確定一點是因為通訊這些都是關鍵都是CI我相信CI通訊的CI算是所有的東西的一個根本應該是優先訊號還蠻高的你後續就跟台電確認一下就是保障我們國內通訊的韌性\n342023\t364911\t光網路的部件不夠我們要有電基地還要能夠運作那通訊才會順暢嘛那就後續因為我知道台電有分就像之前台灣可能停電的時候都有分誰先停電誰先沒有停電嘛醫院不會停電嘛重要的國防設施不會停電嘛那我們通訊設備會不會被停電我想這是我們NCC可能後續要去了解的那或許是不是也是去爭取一下如果說它的限電編組\n366451\t388239\t使用電力的流線順序是比較後面的我們是不是要爭取在比較前面一點要確保電力通訊的安全好不好這一點沒問題我們會世界的轉達反應好那就是這兩點那主委這個今天你也站滿久了你休息一下好了謝謝委員謝謝委員那今天我看這個好像法務部次長有來請教一下次長好了來黃次長黃次長黃次長\n392128\t395406\t因為都沒人去找我們 不好意思沒禮貌 我們的錯\n399988\t427492\t市長好不好意思今天您來了但我當然要問你跟這個可能今天的這個主題沒有關係但您來就問你法務部的事情因為今天早上有這個相關的新聞你非常清楚就是共諜案那有可能被調查然後這個被這個交保的情況嘛那我想確認一下他被交保了嗎我們法務部後續會不會有抗告的行為啊就認為這個危害國家安全重大這個不可以放出來怎麼可以放出來這個案子你了解嗎\n428581\t454087\t不好意思因為我今天早上很早就過來這邊了那這個是我們檢查機關在辦理那法務部是做法務行政所以對於個案我們都尊重檢查機關的偵辦那是否有抗告我相信檢察官會以法審著作來處理因為我不是很確認今天早上的新聞這個交保是法院裁定的還是檢察官直接命交保的所以這個部分讓我們在我想站在國家安全的角度啦因為最近都有一些這個\n456198\t476418\t收押禁戒的新聞嘛譬如違反個資法收押禁戒就兩件了嘛對不對結果就很多的民眾在質疑怎麼違反國安法然後把機密資料外洩給可能總統所說的敵對私利結果居然交保出來了那大家會擔心你交保出來之後你家還有沒有什麼如果說你平常就有在洩密的一個的習慣的話\n477759\t486640\t那你家裡有沒有藏一些機密平常就把一些政府的一些公文重要的文書copy在家裡那你出來的時候你還是有些什麼的可能啊\n487455\t509475\t我想這一些都是相關的案情具體個案的狀況都不一樣好不好 我就請我們的次長站在保護國家安全的情況下審慎的來檢視這個案件檢視我們再提出抗告說要的必要以保障我們國家的機密的資訊有任何外洩的可能好 謝謝我們會回答相關的檢查單位 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 一樣麻煩我們這個陳代理主委好 陳代主委\n好戴主委你好這個昨天啊這個又有這個相關的演習嘛軍事的演習那兩岸不斷的衝突對抗當中我想大家可能會比較擔心有會擔心一點就是如果說真的發生什麼事情衝突的時候那我們國內民眾因為畢竟通訊是維持社會安定穩定人心非常重要的一個一個功能嘛\n那如果說兩岸發生衝突的時候我可以預想到可能會有兩個問題嘛第一個就是連外這個外國的網路可能會因此中斷只能可能用這個地軌衛星來做一些必要時的替代第二個是電力的問題因為像這個天然氣船也因為這樣子不敢來台灣就造成台灣電力的問題所以就這兩個部分我來跟助理做一個請教跟討論啦就是假設我們這個台海發生一些問題導致連外的\n電纜發生問題那我們目前使用的一些可能通訊軟體有哪一些他可能是沒有辦法用的簡單來講就是說如果那通訊軟體的他的server是在國外的假設對國外的通訊路徑上已經終止的話那大概是沒辦法用但是他目前業者的部件大概是多路由的多有備援基本上他的韌性會相對比較好\n那也有一些他SF是MIRROR的其實在國內境內都會有一些對應短期內衝擊還不大如果是真的對外完全斷網但是任性的部分部件包括衛星海欄那邊只要維持住的話其實應該都不會不通那我確定就是假設連外的海欄都中斷的情況下那像我們一般的LINE剛剛主委有說如果說他在台灣有使用機房的話\n如果說通訊業者在我們國內有機房的話或許還是可以通訊的那以LINE來講因為LINE是我們台灣最廣泛使用的嘛或者是臉書的Message或者是可能WhatsApp這三家可能是大家最常用的啦那他哪一家他們三家在如果說真的連外網路斷掉的時候那哪一些可能是分別可以用的可能先讓大家民眾心裡有個底這樣子\n直接講結果講到極致如果海欖都斷了還有衛星那衛星的話因為頻寬有限所以大家要搶衛星對那一定是國家優先嘛對國家的訊息優先那這三家就是都斷了情況下這三家通訊軟體有辦法用嗎\n有沒有機房在我們國內國內自己的衛星應該會以這個公共利益的為主就是剛剛委員所講的可能也許是公家機關或者軍方或怎麼樣來為主國安單位為主那如果是國外的衛星但是我要跟主委確認啦就是這三家在我們國內目前是沒有部件機房的所以說聯外中斷的話我們是沒有辦法透過這些通訊軟體去做聯繫的嘛\n理論上是這樣子那有沒有哪一個軟體應該是我們可以推薦給大家是可以用的應該不存在這種我記得我們國家之前不是有推過一個也是通訊軟體嗎什麼挖的還在嗎JokerJoker還在嗎應該還在我想這個我們總是未雨綢繆啦\n那如果只在國內使用當然沒問題就沒問題嗎就另類的intranet一樣所以你們可能要去確認一下如果說真的當另外網路斷掉的時候我們國內的民眾可能用哪樣子的一個通訊軟體他是有辦法維持我們聯繫功能的包括我們國家可能要發送訊息的時候也是相對\n順暢的希望說我們來盤點一下那後續我們當然是會可能要積極的是不是來爭取這些國外我們大家使用的一個通訊軟體的業者我們在台灣也能夠有相對應的機房能夠維持通訊的一個順暢如果說沒有辦法連到他們的國外的機房的話我覺得這可能是我們必要後續要做的不知道主委認不認同認同\n認同嗎 好 那就麻煩我們的主委那第二個就是當然通訊是一個問題那第二個就是基地還需要電力嘛那電力通訊業者我們就是三大通訊業者佔我們台灣的總體電力的消耗率大概佔比1%而已其實沒有很高 大概1%\n那當然如果說台海發生一些狀況的時候一些天然氣船可能進不來但是我們國家對於天然氣的儲備的天數也是有限的嘛可能第一天沒問題第二天沒問題但是一旦發生這樣的情況政府一定會開始限電主委您瞭解就是我們基地台的一個限電的編組他是在哪一類嗎\n這部分我不清楚應該是台電他們的規劃但是跟委員補充報告兩點如果是短時間的市電市電台電供應的市電中斷的話其實我們在基地台那邊有要求業者要做好一些備援的台海被封鎖不可能是幾小時的事我知道你們基地台都有備援電源按這個就是法定有規定幾個小時但一定是我們一定是討論可能幾天幾週或是上月的一個時間所以你們並沒有跟台電了解你們我們的限電邊阻\n我不知道但是我可以確定一點是因為通訊這些都是關鍵都是CI我相信CI通訊的CI算是所有的東西的一個根本應該是優先訊號還蠻高的你後續就跟台電確認一下就是保障我們國內通訊的韌性\n光網路的部件不夠我們要有電基地還要能夠運作那通訊才會順暢嘛那就後續因為我知道台電有分就像之前台灣可能停電的時候都有分誰先停電誰先沒有停電嘛醫院不會停電嘛重要的國防設施不會停電嘛那我們通訊設備會不會被停電我想這是我們NCC可能後續要去了解的那或許是不是也是去爭取一下如果說它的限電編組\n使用電力的流線順序是比較後面的我們是不是要爭取在比較前面一點要確保電力通訊的安全好不好這一點沒問題我們會世界的轉達反應好那就是這兩點那主委這個今天你也站滿久了你休息一下好了謝謝委員謝謝委員那今天我看這個好像法務部次長有來請教一下次長好了來黃次長黃次長黃次長\n因為都沒人去找我們 不好意思沒禮貌 我們的錯\n市長好不好意思今天您來了但我當然要問你跟這個可能今天的這個主題沒有關係但您來就問你法務部的事情因為今天早上有這個相關的新聞你非常清楚就是共諜案那有可能被調查然後這個被這個交保的情況嘛那我想確認一下他被交保了嗎我們法務部後續會不會有抗告的行為啊就認為這個危害國家安全重大這個不可以放出來怎麼可以放出來這個案子你了解嗎\n不好意思因為我今天早上很早就過來這邊了那這個是我們檢查機關在辦理那法務部是做法務行政所以對於個案我們都尊重檢查機關的偵辦那是否有抗告我相信檢察官會以法審著作來處理因為我不是很確認今天早上的新聞這個交保是法院裁定的還是檢察官直接命交保的所以這個部分讓我們在我想站在國家安全的角度啦因為最近都有一些這個\n收押禁戒的新聞嘛譬如違反個資法收押禁戒就兩件了嘛對不對結果就很多的民眾在質疑怎麼違反國安法然後把機密資料外洩給可能總統所說的敵對私利結果居然交保出來了那大家會擔心你交保出來之後你家還有沒有什麼如果說你平常就有在洩密的一個的習慣的話\n那你家裡有沒有藏一些機密平常就把一些政府的一些公文重要的文書copy在家裡那你出來的時候你還是有些什麼的可能啊\n我想這一些都是相關的案情具體個案的狀況都不一樣好不好 我就請我們的次長站在保護國家安全的情況下審慎的來檢視這個案件檢視我們再提出抗告說要的必要以保障我們國家的機密的資訊有任何外洩的可能好 謝謝我們會回答相關的檢查單位 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.343 --> 00:10.433\n好謝謝主席一樣麻煩我們這個陳代理主委好陳代主委\n\n00:15.936 --> 00:39.563\n好戴主委你好這個昨天啊這個又有這個相關的演習嘛軍事的演習那兩岸不斷的衝突對抗當中我想大家可能會比較擔心有會擔心一點就是如果說真的發生什麼事情衝突的時候那我們國內民眾因為畢竟通訊是維持社會安定穩定人心非常重要的一個一個功能嘛\n\n00:40.163 --> 01:07.536\n那如果說兩岸發生衝突的時候我可以預想到可能會有兩個問題嘛第一個就是連外這個外國的網路可能會因此中斷只能可能用這個地軌衛星來做一些必要時的替代第二個是電力的問題因為像這個天然氣船也因為這樣子不敢來台灣就造成台灣電力的問題所以就這兩個部分我來跟助理做一個請教跟討論啦就是假設我們這個台海發生一些問題導致連外的\n\n01:10.378 --> 01:34.675\n電纜發生問題那我們目前使用的一些可能通訊軟體有哪一些他可能是沒有辦法用的簡單來講就是說如果那通訊軟體的他的server是在國外的假設對國外的通訊路徑上已經終止的話那大概是沒辦法用但是他目前業者的部件大概是多路由的多有備援基本上他的韌性會相對比較好\n\n01:35.856 --> 02:02.187\n那也有一些他SF是MIRROR的其實在國內境內都會有一些對應短期內衝擊還不大如果是真的對外完全斷網但是任性的部分部件包括衛星海欄那邊只要維持住的話其實應該都不會不通那我確定就是假設連外的海欄都中斷的情況下那像我們一般的LINE剛剛主委有說如果說他在台灣有使用機房的話\n\n02:03.651 --> 02:27.222\n如果說通訊業者在我們國內有機房的話或許還是可以通訊的那以LINE來講因為LINE是我們台灣最廣泛使用的嘛或者是臉書的Message或者是可能WhatsApp這三家可能是大家最常用的啦那他哪一家他們三家在如果說真的連外網路斷掉的時候那哪一些可能是分別可以用的可能先讓大家民眾心裡有個底這樣子\n\n02:28.238 --> 02:43.654\n直接講結果講到極致如果海欖都斷了還有衛星那衛星的話因為頻寬有限所以大家要搶衛星對那一定是國家優先嘛對國家的訊息優先那這三家就是都斷了情況下這三家通訊軟體有辦法用嗎\n\n02:45.445 --> 03:08.161\n有沒有機房在我們國內國內自己的衛星應該會以這個公共利益的為主就是剛剛委員所講的可能也許是公家機關或者軍方或怎麼樣來為主國安單位為主那如果是國外的衛星但是我要跟主委確認啦就是這三家在我們國內目前是沒有部件機房的所以說聯外中斷的話我們是沒有辦法透過這些通訊軟體去做聯繫的嘛\n\n03:11.283 --> 03:27.827\n理論上是這樣子那有沒有哪一個軟體應該是我們可以推薦給大家是可以用的應該不存在這種我記得我們國家之前不是有推過一個也是通訊軟體嗎什麼挖的還在嗎JokerJoker還在嗎應該還在我想這個我們總是未雨綢繆啦\n\n03:33.649 --> 03:48.681\n那如果只在國內使用當然沒問題就沒問題嗎就另類的intranet一樣所以你們可能要去確認一下如果說真的當另外網路斷掉的時候我們國內的民眾可能用哪樣子的一個通訊軟體他是有辦法維持我們聯繫功能的包括我們國家可能要發送訊息的時候也是相對\n\n03:49.821 --> 04:11.532\n順暢的希望說我們來盤點一下那後續我們當然是會可能要積極的是不是來爭取這些國外我們大家使用的一個通訊軟體的業者我們在台灣也能夠有相對應的機房能夠維持通訊的一個順暢如果說沒有辦法連到他們的國外的機房的話我覺得這可能是我們必要後續要做的不知道主委認不認同認同\n\n04:12.993 --> 04:32.230\n認同嗎好那就麻煩我們的主委那第二個就是當然通訊是一個問題那第二個就是基地還需要電力嘛那電力通訊業者我們就是三大通訊業者佔我們台灣的總體電力的消耗率大概佔比1%而已其實沒有很高大概1%\n\n04:33.171 --> 04:54.067\n那當然如果說台海發生一些狀況的時候一些天然氣船可能進不來但是我們國家對於天然氣的儲備的天數也是有限的嘛可能第一天沒問題第二天沒問題但是一旦發生這樣的情況政府一定會開始限電主委您瞭解就是我們基地台的一個限電的編組他是在哪一類嗎\n\n04:55.978 --> 05:24.521\n這部分我不清楚應該是台電他們的規劃但是跟委員補充報告兩點如果是短時間的市電市電台電供應的市電中斷的話其實我們在基地台那邊有要求業者要做好一些備援的台海被封鎖不可能是幾小時的事我知道你們基地台都有備援電源按這個就是法定有規定幾個小時但一定是我們一定是討論可能幾天幾週或是上月的一個時間所以你們並沒有跟台電了解你們我們的限電邊阻\n\n05:25.843 --> 05:37.077\n我不知道但是我可以確定一點是因為通訊這些都是關鍵都是CI我相信CI通訊的CI算是所有的東西的一個根本應該是優先訊號還蠻高的你後續就跟台電確認一下就是保障我們國內通訊的韌性\n\n05:42.023 --> 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