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00:02:33,579\n就是承諾委員會的事情你就要說到做到好不好停徵就停徵停徵一年跟停徵一年跟停徵跟停徵一年不一樣好嗎我們會在停徵一年期間會完成法規修正\n\n9\n00:02:35,137 --> 00:03:04,116\n之後你應該之前吧不然的話你提針要針啊對不對一年內我們會把它完整就是要聽針了啦另外請教一下這個過去也有委員在提到的就是你們現在因為我們現在在發展無人機但無人機並不是只有國防的使用它還有很多其他的用途民用的部分通訊用的部分甚至農業等等之類的\n\n10\n00:03:05,097 --> 00:03:13,723\n那麼現在呢因為在無人機上要佈建雷達一下要收幾千萬的這個規費所以這個會影響我們整個無人機產業的一個發展所以我想請問NCC你們還要收這麼多的錢嗎不會影響我們無人機的佈建不會影響這些所謂的關鍵基礎設施嗎\n\n11\n00:03:30,111 --> 00:03:54,630\n好謝謝委員給我機會來澄清這個應該是報導有誤基本上他應該是平均使用費然後呢我跟委員報告NCC所主管的這個網路審查費電台審查費審驗費執照費全部加起來也不過9200然後這個如果他是用雷達雷達他定位屬於專用電信的電台他大概平均使用費會比較貴\n\n12\n00:03:56,792 --> 00:04:13,375\n但是跟委員報告因為像事業部成立之前是我在主管的我相對清楚啦那以前在桃園機場不是啊你一個人要收多少錢嘛因為我時間有限他可以收0塊錢因為他收的辦法第2條規定說暴行政院符合公共利益是免收\n\n13\n00:04:14,136 --> 00:04:40,584\n你現在所謂符合公共利益是哪一些呢你準備要哪一些除了因為你現在本來是軍用的免收嘛那但是我跟你講有八大關鍵基礎設施不是只有軍用喔還有交通的啊還有水資源的啊還金融啊什麼還高科技等等能源的我想請問一下是不是只要你符合這些關鍵基礎設施的無人機部件雷達通通可以免收是不是\n\n14\n00:04:41,730 --> 00:05:00,273\n因為現在全責在數位部好來正好數位部來時間暫停一下來正式對趕快來回答一下如果NC都這麼大方他免收他說他將近收一萬塊而已他可以免收那問題是其他的部分你們在收費的部分呢\n\n15\n00:05:01,685 --> 00:05:22,530\n跟主委報告因為這個目前並沒有收到那個業者的申請那因為這個無人機的部分他有雷達的部分也有干擾那個干擾槍的部分那他到底要用哪樣什麼樣的頻率我們並沒有具體的這個資料申請資料所以我們現在很難回答你們現在應該什麼收費因為按照現在電信管理法你們只能按電台收費\n\n16\n00:05:24,168 --> 00:05:34,693\n是可不可以委員請我們資源司司長幫忙回答趕快具體回答跟委員報告因為主要是這個如果第一個他設的這是寬頻雷達其實寬頻雷達的這個頻段裡面有涵蓋既有的這個行動通信的這個頻段所以如果是一般人來這個申請的話他其實有嚴重干擾這個既有通信的這個之餘所以這個部分我們會審慎來去審查他建置的收費多少\n\n17\n00:05:53,381 --> 00:06:21,278\n如果照我們目前看到有些業者的話他使用的頻寬很寬的話可能會到上達數千萬數千萬好那因為呢我剛剛講這八大關鍵的基礎設施他們應該都會達數千萬所以因為像剛才NC說只要符合公益性或者是這個關鍵基礎設施因為過去是軍用的部分可以免收那我想請問一下那麼你們以速發部的部分\n\n18\n00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:49,106\n符合八大關鍵基礎設施還是要收嗎還是可以免收這個我們如果是關鍵基礎設施的主管機關然後評估確有限制的這個需求的話那這個部分我們由關鍵基礎設施的這個主管機關然後提出我現在具體的提出這個要求和建議因為如果無人機的發展是國家的一個政策不管是產業\n\n19\n00:06:50,226 --> 00:07:12,945\n還有我們作為關鍵基礎設施但是呢我們現在電信管理法它的法並不完備那麼它都要適用於電台所以使得它的規費收費標準變得很高變得很高當然我們現在有一些是商用的完全的商用性的那但是有這個屬於關鍵基礎設施的所以你們就應該把它去做釐清\n\n20\n00:07:13,866 --> 00:07:38,342\n好不好因為現在看起來聽你們的回答我覺得還是比較模糊的因為時間有限我想可不可以請我們的NCC和我們的述發部針對我關心的這公領運的部分跟你們補充報告我們大概上次交通委員會已經有委員提這個我們今天下午大概就會開會這兩個部會來協調來確認這個後續相關的一些怎麼處理下午就會開會你們今天下午開會會有結論嗎\n\n21\n00:07:41,974 --> 00:07:52,809\n應該會確定一些原則你們如果有一些結論的話也趕快再提供給外界也提供給我們那個委員會還有我們辦公室好嗎好可以吧好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2298\t8234\t好謝謝主席我先請我們NCC的主委陳代主委\n12130\t37480\t主委剛才就是您有答應委員會就是有關於我們電信管制射頻器材的規費收費標準在自用第二級電信管制射頻器材輸入核准審查費每件750元這個是要把它廢掉我們會朝修正方向來處理修正就是把這一欄拿掉目前最大主任名義是免收\n38191\t54097\t免收但是我要提醒主委在之前今年的2月份我在總質詢的時候那時候你站在我們的卓院長旁邊當時我就在問這750塊錢是亂當時你就說會停徵會停徵那時候院長也覺得這是不妥的\n63840\t74133\t但是沒想到呢在總質詢之後你們NCC就發新聞稿然後呢就加了一個尾巴說停偵一年停偵一年那時候我就很納悶而且我覺得在堂堂的議場之上的總質詢本來說停偵\n83144\t104073\t下來之後 變成新聞稿 就變成停真一年 只停真一年所以我想請問一下 你今天會廢止是指廢止一年嗎 還廢止兩年 還是就是廢止要講清楚啊 不要等到今天的委員會結束之後你覺得反正你那個挨過委員會之後 回去又我刑我訴\n105250\t122800\t好跟我們回報第一點我們當時2月25會當時在院會回答委員的之所以會這麼講是因為第一個時間關係第二個我當時委員要求我們當天要發新聞稿我們新聞稿是扣活著2月14財政部的回函他是同意我們停政一年\n123420\t138473\t當時你告訴我要停徵啊所以我就說我們應該要留下白紙黑字不要到時候你又沒有再做結果呢你發了新聞稿變成停徵一年所以我要講的我們NCC這個信用會打折扣的所以你這今天的委員會\n140666\t153579\t就是承諾委員會的事情你就要說到做到好不好停徵就停徵停徵一年跟停徵一年跟停徵跟停徵一年不一樣好嗎我們會在停徵一年期間會完成法規修正\n155137\t184116\t之後你應該之前吧不然的話你提針 要針啊對不對一年內我們會把它完整就是要聽針了啦另外請教一下這個過去也有委員在提到的就是你們現在因為我們現在在發展無人機但無人機並不是只有國防的使用它還有很多其他的用途民用的部分通訊用的部分甚至農業等等之類的\n185097\t193723\t那麼現在呢因為在無人機上要佈建雷達一下要收幾千萬的這個規費所以這個會影響我們整個無人機產業的一個發展所以我想請問NCC你們還要收這麼多的錢嗎不會影響我們無人機的佈建不會影響這些所謂的關鍵基礎設施嗎\n210111\t234630\t好 謝謝委員給我機會來澄清這個應該是報導有誤基本上他應該是平均使用費然後呢我跟委員報告NCC所主管的這個網路審查費電台審查費審驗費執照費全部加起來也不過9200然後這個如果他是用雷達雷達他定位屬於專用電信的電台他大概平均使用費會比較貴\n236792\t253375\t但是跟委員報告因為像事業部成立之前是我在主管的我相對清楚啦那以前在桃園機場不是啊你一個人要收多少錢嘛因為我時間有限他可以收0塊錢因為他收的辦法第2條規定說暴行政院符合公共利益是免收\n254136\t280584\t你現在所謂符合公共利益是哪一些呢你準備要哪一些除了因為你現在本來是軍用的免收嘛那但是我跟你講有八大關鍵基礎設施不是只有軍用喔還有交通的啊還有水資源的啊還金融啊什麼還高科技等等能源的我想請問一下是不是只要你符合這些關鍵基礎設施的無人機部件雷達通通可以免收是不是\n281730\t300273\t因為現在全責在數位部好來正好數位部來時間暫停一下來正式對趕快來回答一下如果NC都這麼大方他免收他說他將近收一萬塊而已他可以免收那問題是其他的部分你們在收費的部分呢\n301685\t322530\t跟主委報告因為這個目前並沒有收到那個業者的申請那因為這個無人機的部分他有雷達的部分也有干擾那個干擾槍的部分那他到底要用哪樣什麼樣的頻率我們並沒有具體的這個資料申請資料所以我們現在很難回答你們現在應該什麼收費因為按照現在電信管理法你們只能按電台收費\n324168\t334693\t是 可不可以委員請我們資源司司長幫忙回答趕快具體回答 跟委員報告因為主要是這個如果第一個他設的這是寬頻雷達其實寬頻雷達的這個頻段裡面有涵蓋既有的這個行動通信的這個頻段所以如果是一般人來這個申請的話他其實有嚴重干擾這個既有通信的這個之餘所以這個部分我們會審慎來去審查他建置的收費多少\n353381\t381278\t如果照我們目前看到有些業者的話他使用的頻寬很寬的話可能會到上達數千萬數千萬好那因為呢我剛剛講這八大關鍵的基礎設施他們應該都會達數千萬所以因為像剛才NC說只要符合公益性或者是這個關鍵基礎設施因為過去是軍用的部分可以免收那我想請問一下那麼你們以速發部的部分\n382439\t409106\t符合八大關鍵基礎設施還是要收嗎還是可以免收這個我們如果是關鍵基礎設施的主管機關然後評估確有限制的這個需求的話那這個部分我們由關鍵基礎設施的這個主管機關然後提出我現在具體的提出這個要求和建議因為如果無人機的發展是國家的一個政策不管是產業\n410226\t432945\t還有我們作為關鍵基礎設施但是呢我們現在電信管理法它的法並不完備那麼它都要適用於電台所以使得它的規費收費標準變得很高變得很高當然我們現在有一些是商用的完全的商用性的那但是有這個屬於關鍵基礎設施的所以你們就應該把它去做釐清\n433866\t458342\t好不好因為現在看起來聽你們的回答我覺得還是比較模糊的因為時間有限我想可不可以請我們的NCC和我們的述發部針對我關心的這公領運的部分跟你們補充報告我們大概上次交通委員會已經有委員提這個我們今天下午大概就會開會這兩個部會來協調來確認這個後續相關的一些怎麼處理下午就會開會你們今天下午開會會有結論嗎\n461974\t472809\t應該會確定一些原則你們如果有一些結論的話也趕快再提供給外界也提供給我們那個委員會還有我們辦公室好嗎好可以吧好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我先請我們NCC的主委陳代主委\n主委剛才就是您有答應委員會就是有關於我們電信管制射頻器材的規費收費標準在自用第二級電信管制射頻器材輸入核准審查費每件750元這個是要把它廢掉我們會朝修正方向來處理修正就是把這一欄拿掉目前最大主任名義是免收\n免收但是我要提醒主委在之前今年的2月份我在總質詢的時候那時候你站在我們的卓院長旁邊當時我就在問這750塊錢是亂當時你就說會停徵會停徵那時候院長也覺得這是不妥的\n但是沒想到呢在總質詢之後你們NCC就發新聞稿然後呢就加了一個尾巴說停偵一年停偵一年那時候我就很納悶而且我覺得在堂堂的議場之上的總質詢本來說停偵\n下來之後 變成新聞稿 就變成停真一年 只停真一年所以我想請問一下 你今天會廢止是指廢止一年嗎 還廢止兩年 還是就是廢止要講清楚啊 不要等到今天的委員會結束之後你覺得反正你那個挨過委員會之後 回去又我刑我訴\n好跟我們回報第一點我們當時2月25會當時在院會回答委員的之所以會這麼講是因為第一個時間關係第二個我當時委員要求我們當天要發新聞稿我們新聞稿是扣活著2月14財政部的回函他是同意我們停政一年\n當時你告訴我要停徵啊所以我就說我們應該要留下白紙黑字不要到時候你又沒有再做結果呢你發了新聞稿變成停徵一年所以我要講的我們NCC這個信用會打折扣的所以你這今天的委員會\n就是承諾委員會的事情你就要說到做到好不好停徵就停徵停徵一年跟停徵一年跟停徵跟停徵一年不一樣好嗎我們會在停徵一年期間會完成法規修正\n之後你應該之前吧不然的話你提針 要針啊對不對一年內我們會把它完整就是要聽針了啦另外請教一下這個過去也有委員在提到的就是你們現在因為我們現在在發展無人機但無人機並不是只有國防的使用它還有很多其他的用途民用的部分通訊用的部分甚至農業等等之類的\n那麼現在呢因為在無人機上要佈建雷達一下要收幾千萬的這個規費所以這個會影響我們整個無人機產業的一個發展所以我想請問NCC你們還要收這麼多的錢嗎不會影響我們無人機的佈建不會影響這些所謂的關鍵基礎設施嗎\n好 謝謝委員給我機會來澄清這個應該是報導有誤基本上他應該是平均使用費然後呢我跟委員報告NCC所主管的這個網路審查費電台審查費審驗費執照費全部加起來也不過9200然後這個如果他是用雷達雷達他定位屬於專用電信的電台他大概平均使用費會比較貴\n但是跟委員報告因為像事業部成立之前是我在主管的我相對清楚啦那以前在桃園機場不是啊你一個人要收多少錢嘛因為我時間有限他可以收0塊錢因為他收的辦法第2條規定說暴行政院符合公共利益是免收\n你現在所謂符合公共利益是哪一些呢你準備要哪一些除了因為你現在本來是軍用的免收嘛那但是我跟你講有八大關鍵基礎設施不是只有軍用喔還有交通的啊還有水資源的啊還金融啊什麼還高科技等等能源的我想請問一下是不是只要你符合這些關鍵基礎設施的無人機部件雷達通通可以免收是不是\n因為現在全責在數位部好來正好數位部來時間暫停一下來正式對趕快來回答一下如果NC都這麼大方他免收他說他將近收一萬塊而已他可以免收那問題是其他的部分你們在收費的部分呢\n跟主委報告因為這個目前並沒有收到那個業者的申請那因為這個無人機的部分他有雷達的部分也有干擾那個干擾槍的部分那他到底要用哪樣什麼樣的頻率我們並沒有具體的這個資料申請資料所以我們現在很難回答你們現在應該什麼收費因為按照現在電信管理法你們只能按電台收費\n是 可不可以委員請我們資源司司長幫忙回答趕快具體回答 跟委員報告因為主要是這個如果第一個他設的這是寬頻雷達其實寬頻雷達的這個頻段裡面有涵蓋既有的這個行動通信的這個頻段所以如果是一般人來這個申請的話他其實有嚴重干擾這個既有通信的這個之餘所以這個部分我們會審慎來去審查他建置的收費多少\n如果照我們目前看到有些業者的話他使用的頻寬很寬的話可能會到上達數千萬數千萬好那因為呢我剛剛講這八大關鍵的基礎設施他們應該都會達數千萬所以因為像剛才NC說只要符合公益性或者是這個關鍵基礎設施因為過去是軍用的部分可以免收那我想請問一下那麼你們以速發部的部分\n符合八大關鍵基礎設施還是要收嗎還是可以免收這個我們如果是關鍵基礎設施的主管機關然後評估確有限制的這個需求的話那這個部分我們由關鍵基礎設施的這個主管機關然後提出我現在具體的提出這個要求和建議因為如果無人機的發展是國家的一個政策不管是產業\n還有我們作為關鍵基礎設施但是呢我們現在電信管理法它的法並不完備那麼它都要適用於電台所以使得它的規費收費標準變得很高變得很高當然我們現在有一些是商用的完全的商用性的那但是有這個屬於關鍵基礎設施的所以你們就應該把它去做釐清\n好不好因為現在看起來聽你們的回答我覺得還是比較模糊的因為時間有限我想可不可以請我們的NCC和我們的述發部針對我關心的這公領運的部分跟你們補充報告我們大概上次交通委員會已經有委員提這個我們今天下午大概就會開會這兩個部會來協調來確認這個後續相關的一些怎麼處理下午就會開會你們今天下午開會會有結論嗎\n應該會確定一些原則你們如果有一些結論的話也趕快再提供給外界也提供給我們那個委員會還有我們辦公室好嗎好可以吧好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.298 --> 00:08.234\n好謝謝主席我先請我們NCC的主委陳代主委\n\n00:12.130 --> 00:37.480\n主委剛才就是您有答應委員會就是有關於我們電信管制射頻器材的規費收費標準在自用第二級電信管制射頻器材輸入核准審查費每件750元這個是要把它廢掉我們會朝修正方向來處理修正就是把這一欄拿掉目前最大主任名義是免收\n\n00:38.191 --> 00:54.097\n免收但是我要提醒主委在之前今年的2月份我在總質詢的時候那時候你站在我們的卓院長旁邊當時我就在問這750塊錢是亂當時你就說會停徵會停徵那時候院長也覺得這是不妥的\n\n01:03.840 --> 01:14.133\n但是沒想到呢在總質詢之後你們NCC就發新聞稿然後呢就加了一個尾巴說停偵一年停偵一年那時候我就很納悶而且我覺得在堂堂的議場之上的總質詢本來說停偵\n\n01:23.144 --> 01:44.073\n下來之後變成新聞稿就變成停真一年只停真一年所以我想請問一下你今天會廢止是指廢止一年嗎還廢止兩年還是就是廢止要講清楚啊不要等到今天的委員會結束之後你覺得反正你那個挨過委員會之後回去又我刑我訴\n\n01:45.250 --> 02:02.800\n好跟我們回報第一點我們當時2月25會當時在院會回答委員的之所以會這麼講是因為第一個時間關係第二個我當時委員要求我們當天要發新聞稿我們新聞稿是扣活著2月14財政部的回函他是同意我們停政一年\n\n02:03.420 --> 02:18.473\n當時你告訴我要停徵啊所以我就說我們應該要留下白紙黑字不要到時候你又沒有再做結果呢你發了新聞稿變成停徵一年所以我要講的我們NCC這個信用會打折扣的所以你這今天的委員會\n\n02:20.666 --> 02:33.579\n就是承諾委員會的事情你就要說到做到好不好停徵就停徵停徵一年跟停徵一年跟停徵跟停徵一年不一樣好嗎我們會在停徵一年期間會完成法規修正\n\n02:35.137 --> 03:04.116\n之後你應該之前吧不然的話你提針要針啊對不對一年內我們會把它完整就是要聽針了啦另外請教一下這個過去也有委員在提到的就是你們現在因為我們現在在發展無人機但無人機並不是只有國防的使用它還有很多其他的用途民用的部分通訊用的部分甚至農業等等之類的\n\n03:05.097 --> 03:13.723\n那麼現在呢因為在無人機上要佈建雷達一下要收幾千萬的這個規費所以這個會影響我們整個無人機產業的一個發展所以我想請問NCC你們還要收這麼多的錢嗎不會影響我們無人機的佈建不會影響這些所謂的關鍵基礎設施嗎\n\n03:30.111 --> 03:54.630\n好謝謝委員給我機會來澄清這個應該是報導有誤基本上他應該是平均使用費然後呢我跟委員報告NCC所主管的這個網路審查費電台審查費審驗費執照費全部加起來也不過9200然後這個如果他是用雷達雷達他定位屬於專用電信的電台他大概平均使用費會比較貴\n\n03:56.792 --> 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