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00:02:46,840\n今天他們在有這樣的需求因為我們為什麼會這樣提是因為你警消還有所有的海巡人員其實都已經納入了我們只是讓他們享有同等的待遇而已不然你政府口口聲聲尤其現在兩岸兵兇戰危然後你又要募兵然後你又希望說要給軍人最好的一個待遇尤其我們賴總統在\n\n8\n00:02:48,621 --> 00:03:06,788\n演說的時候他還特別強調希望我們好好的照顧我們這些現役的軍人退役的軍人可是我們連這樣都做不到你還要再去做比較表那要怎麼比較說他們就醫的狀況或者他退休的年齡那你其他的有做這些嗎\n\n9\n00:03:07,788 --> 00:03:34,593\n我想這就是刁難這個部分我們還是希望可以據理力爭因為對於真的要照顧現役退役的軍人你要人家犧牲生命要人家保家衛國可是當你有一點點福利的時候就跟他們算得很清楚這樣子會讓人家覺得這是口號這個部分退府會要有自己的角色跟定位而不是認為行政院他很積極的想做很積極就不會叫你提供這樣的資料是我們會努力爭取\n\n10\n00:03:38,001 --> 00:03:54,375\n那這個部分如果像類似的資料我們會不會很難做已經很久了嗎上一次行政院要求要這個這個會不會很難做如果不會很難做多久可以做出來可以交給行政院處長\n\n11\n00:03:56,763 --> 00:04:07,673\n包委員我們會盡快把委員盡快是多快大概預定因為這個下次的這個行政希望我們在半年之內提供那開會的時間是12月31號12月所以我們預定是會在12月31號開的會你什麼時候提去年12月是是所以你近期我們會盡快的把資料送出去好\n\n12\n00:04:15,339 --> 00:04:37,548\n因為我們希望行政院一定要記住他們在現階段對軍人的承諾過去跟現在都一樣現在為什麼大家會不願意進來當軍人第一你的薪資並不高你的義務役現在增加了兩萬可是我們的志願役並沒有雖然你現在加了一些給予看起來好像有可是事實上對現役軍人他的照顧還有福利還是不足的\n\n13\n00:04:40,649 --> 00:04:55,851\n就像我們看到上校街以上退役人員不可以領取子女教育補助費這是有階級差別的像這個已經講了七八年到現在都還沒有做出來甚至其實已經有民進黨委員也算出來我們連\n\n14\n00:04:57,752 --> 00:05:14,337\n財政的來源都有了現在教育部補助的這些學費的預算把它扣掉其實都還足足有餘來支付這一筆預算所以不要淪為口號這個部分我們希望退補會還是站住我們自己的立場好好的去爭取好不好我們立場不會變好謝謝謝謝主委那另外我們看到這個報告裡面從上一次的\n\n15\n00:05:24,911 --> 00:05:36,678\n會議裡面其實主委也一直提到尤其主委在擔任部長的時候其實就已經跟那時候馮世寬主委大概兩位其實積極在推動就是軍職專長跟民間職業轉型對照的這個部分\n\n16\n00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:53,192\n所以我想這是一個很好的一個理念政策那我們也希望其實他可以好好的去推動甚至可以看到他可以做得很成功因為最重要的是我們很多退役的軍人其實他都正值年輕力壯有的四十幾歲而已都有很好的未來還有他過去\n\n17\n00:06:02,914 --> 00:06:23,639\n在軍中所受到的一些基礎訓練其實我相信都非常的好可是他們在求職上面其實常常碰到一些困難上不上下不下尤其那個年齡所以如果這個部分可以做好我們當然樂觀其成可是在做法或者它執行上面可能會有一些問題首先我們想請教的就是說在國軍其實它有700多項專長\n\n18\n00:06:29,981 --> 00:06:46,832\n那其中有404項對照民間的職業項目是比對不出來的這是國防部說的因為在之前他提到這個部分是沒有辦法去做比對那退府會現在準備要委商辦理委外在報告上面是什麼說\n\n19\n00:06:48,793 --> 00:07:10,592\n問題是最了解軍人的還有最清楚國軍政策的是國防部他都已經說他轉嫌資料有一半以上是比對不出來他們要轉嫌的這些資料在執行上面會至愛難行那我想請教如果連國防部這麼熟悉的一個單位他都沒有辦法做出來哪一個民間單位可以做\n\n20\n00:07:12,171 --> 00:07:37,306\n我要跟委員報告我們這個軍事專長轉弦的國安部是第一個我們跨部會合作的單位所以國安部提供的軍職專長是743項都已經提供了所以我們這裡面列了404項就在這個裡面所以除了404項以外所有的專長所以也沒有所謂其他漏掉是國安部提供的因為跨部會合作其他還有勞動部經濟部跟教育部\n\n21\n00:07:38,046 --> 00:07:52,267\n有些是跨部份很重要我等一下會提到可是哪一個委外單位有辦法做到因為其實最清楚的所以我們是直接把這個提供給委外的這個單位嗎就我們已經有的這些相關資料\n\n22\n00:07:55,577 --> 00:07:59,618\n簡單說就好委員好我是就業處處長跟委員報告我們這個軍職專長現在其實從這個案子一啟動我們就是跟國防部密切的每一次做任何的動作都是國防部有納入那現在他743項裡面我們將來我們也已經採購公告我們也都出去我們要求的是你這個來參與這個委商的這個單位一定要有時機還有能力\n\n23\n00:08:22,966 --> 00:08:26,349\n你時機跟能力那哪有時機啊這個就沒有人做到有這個跟委員報告其實勞動部教育部經濟部都有相關職能基準的一個經驗所以他們建議我們要偽商時間的部分因為\n\n24\n00:08:38,619 --> 00:08:51,208\n這時間的關係我們希望把相關的一個做法更具體的而有哪一些單位是可以做的提供給本席一些書面資料另外我要在這裡提醒的不好意思跟主席接一點時間我要在這裡特別提醒的是過去我們可以成功比如說像我們君子\n\n25\n00:08:57,293 --> 00:09:02,559\n直接退下來以後直接去開公車他的那個公車駕照為什麼因為當時考試院他曾經做過這樣的一個對照表就是他直接認可所以如果你有院紀或者跨部會的協調你有政府的認可認證他才有可能這樣因為他直接退下來用軍中的執照他就可以去開\n\n26\n00:09:19,697 --> 00:09:23,101\n民間的我們的公車或巴士現在我們面臨到的困難我舉個例子好了我們海軍一級艦的艦長其實他退役以後他沒有辦法去做商船的船長所以你今天最大的困難是沒有辦法取得證照\n\n27\n00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:40,200\n因為就是沒有證照所以你們沒有辦法做那這個部分是你要先克服你才有辦法不然委外的單位跟你說這個可以委外的單位跟你說你在軍中表現非常好比如說我們的嚴部長在軍中你各方面的那個經歷養成都非常好你適合當董事長\n\n28\n00:09:57,130 --> 00:10:03,052\n那民間企業會認為說你這個委外的單位說你適合當董事長那我的公司就可以當董事長那我們的營長你說他表現得非常好他有特殊的專長出去他就能當廠長嗎我想這個在很多的標準上面它是需要一個政府的認證就像我們剛剛講的考試院為什麼你的軍中的執照可以直接去開公車你現在如果像我們的艦長其實你都可以開軍艦\n\n29\n00:10:26,081 --> 00:10:29,785\n那個都可以負責打仗可是他沒有辦法當商船的船長我想這個才是最大的問題我們既然要花錢希望他把效益做出來那也希望先提供相關的資料給我們後續再做探討謝謝委員指導我們把考試院這個狀況納進來謝謝委員指導\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n389\t2430\t麻煩請主委有請主委謝謝媽媽朋友好主委好主委首先要感謝主委就是在上個會期本席提出來以後我們對於有給子農民在農院所應享受的福利可以跟錦霄還有\n29359\t31602\t錦霄海巡等等其實想同樣的權利這個部分主委已經做到了就我們在退府會所轄的醫院裡面其實我們已經給了這些有幾子榮民這樣的福利可是另外我想要請教這個部分真的要謝謝主委\n52963\t60841\t可以立即的去做一個修正不過在衛福部所屬的醫院裡面我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣\n63328\t89224\t報告委員 這個案子我們去年開始啟動就是我們有職的農民在農業的這些全能補助這方面部分階級我們已經在啟動了那現在目前送到行政院之後行政院希望我們把這些就醫的狀況以及階層提供詳細的數據提供數據給他們然後再做全班的一個規劃那現在積極在處理\n92830\t107235\t行政院需要的這些資料他們過去沒有嗎像我們有一些在年金的改革或者有很多的這些相關的資料這個有很困難嗎這個會議是我們處長去開的我請處長跟您報告簡單說明就好就行政院的意見是怎麼樣要或不要\n113383\t141642\t報告委員行政院是非常支持在這部分的一個補助那他是希望我們輔導會能夠提供有關於這個榮民從這個退休年齡跟就醫的這個頻率來做一個分析比較以上這不是刁難嗎我們當你不要幫行政院做這樣的那個承諾你是行政院的那個你應該要幫的是我們的退役的同袍\n142643\t166840\t今天他們在有這樣的需求因為我們為什麼會這樣提是因為你警消還有所有的海巡人員其實都已經納入了我們只是讓他們享有同等的待遇而已不然你政府口口聲聲尤其現在兩岸兵兇戰危然後你又要募兵然後你又希望說要給軍人最好的一個待遇尤其我們賴總統在\n168621\t186788\t演說的時候他還特別強調希望我們好好的照顧我們這些現役的軍人退役的軍人可是我們連這樣都做不到你還要再去做比較表那要怎麼比較說他們就醫的狀況或者他退休的年齡那你其他的有做這些嗎\n187788\t214593\t我想這就是刁難這個部分我們還是希望可以據理力爭因為對於真的要照顧現役退役的軍人你要人家犧牲生命要人家保家衛國可是當你有一點點福利的時候就跟他們算得很清楚這樣子會讓人家覺得這是口號這個部分退府會要有自己的角色跟定位而不是認為行政院他很積極的想做很積極就不會叫你提供這樣的資料是 我們會努力爭取\n218001\t234375\t那這個部分如果像類似的資料我們會不會很難做已經很久了嗎上一次行政院要求要這個這個會不會很難做如果不會很難做多久可以做出來可以交給行政院處長\n236763\t247673\t包委員我們會盡快把委員盡快是多快大概預定因為這個下次的這個行政希望我們在半年之內提供那開會的時間是12月31號12月所以我們預定是會在12月31號開的會你什麼時候提去年12月是是所以你近期我們會盡快的把資料送出去好\n255339\t277548\t因為我們希望行政院一定要記住他們在現階段對軍人的承諾過去跟現在都一樣現在為什麼大家會不願意進來當軍人第一 你的薪資並不高你的義務役現在增加了兩萬可是我們的志願役並沒有雖然你現在加了一些給予看起來好像有可是事實上對現役軍人他的照顧還有福利還是不足的\n280649\t295851\t就像我們看到上校街以上退役人員不可以領取子女教育補助費這是有階級差別的像這個已經講了七八年到現在都還沒有做出來甚至其實已經有民進黨委員也算出來我們連\n297752\t314337\t財政的來源都有了現在教育部補助的這些學費的預算把它扣掉其實都還足足有餘來支付這一筆預算所以不要淪為口號這個部分我們希望退補會還是站住我們自己的立場好好的去爭取好不好我們立場不會變好謝謝謝謝主委那另外我們看到這個報告裡面從上一次的\n324911\t336678\t會議裡面其實主委也一直提到尤其主委在擔任部長的時候其實就已經跟那時候馮世寬主委大概兩位其實積極在推動就是軍職專長跟民間職業轉型對照的這個部分\n341909\t353192\t所以我想這是一個很好的一個理念政策那我們也希望其實他可以好好的去推動甚至可以看到他可以做得很成功因為最重要的是我們很多退役的軍人其實他都正值年輕力壯有的四十幾歲而已都有很好的未來還有他過去\n362914\t383639\t在軍中所受到的一些基礎訓練其實我相信都非常的好可是他們在求職上面其實常常碰到一些困難上不上下不下尤其那個年齡所以如果這個部分可以做好我們當然樂觀其成可是在做法或者它執行上面可能會有一些問題首先我們想請教的就是說在國軍其實它有700多項專長\n389981\t406832\t那其中有404項對照民間的職業項目是比對不出來的這是國防部說的因為在之前他提到這個部分是沒有辦法去做比對那退府會現在準備要委商辦理委外在報告上面是什麼說\n408793\t430592\t問題是最了解軍人的還有最清楚國軍政策的是國防部他都已經說他轉嫌資料有一半以上是比對不出來他們要轉嫌的這些資料在執行上面會至愛難行那我想請教如果連國防部這麼熟悉的一個單位他都沒有辦法做出來哪一個民間單位可以做\n432171\t457306\t我要跟委員報告我們這個軍事專長轉弦的國安部是第一個我們跨部會合作的單位所以國安部提供的軍職專長是743項都已經提供了所以我們這裡面列了404項就在這個裡面所以除了404項以外所有的專長所以也沒有所謂其他漏掉是國安部提供的因為跨部會合作其他還有勞動部經濟部跟教育部\n458046\t472267\t有些是跨部份很重要我等一下會提到可是哪一個委外單位有辦法做到因為其實最清楚的所以我們是直接把這個提供給委外的這個單位嗎就我們已經有的這些相關資料\n475577\t479618\t簡單說就好委員好我是就業處處長跟委員報告我們這個軍職專長現在其實從這個案子一啟動我們就是跟國防部密切的每一次做任何的動作都是國防部有納入那現在他743項裡面我們將來我們也已經採購公告我們也都出去我們要求的是你這個來參與這個委商的這個單位一定要有時機還有能力\n502966\t506349\t你時機跟能力那哪有時機啊 這個就沒有人做到有 這個跟委員報告其實勞動部 教育部 經濟部都有相關職能基準的一個經驗所以他們建議我們要偽商時間的部分 因為\n518619\t531208\t這時間的關係我們希望把相關的一個做法更具體的而有哪一些單位是可以做的提供給本席一些書面資料另外我要在這裡提醒的不好意思跟主席接一點時間我要在這裡特別提醒的是過去我們可以成功比如說像我們君子\n537293\t542559\t直接退下來以後直接去開公車他的那個公車駕照為什麼因為當時考試院他曾經做過這樣的一個對照表就是他直接認可所以如果你有院紀或者跨部會的協調你有政府的認可認證他才有可能這樣因為他直接退下來用軍中的執照他就可以去開\n559697\t563101\t民間的我們的公車或巴士現在我們面臨到的困難我舉個例子好了我們海軍一級艦的艦長其實他退役以後他沒有辦法去做商船的船長所以你今天最大的困難是沒有辦法取得證照\n577639\t580200\t因為就是沒有證照所以你們沒有辦法做那這個部分是你要先克服你才有辦法不然委外的單位跟你說這個可以委外的單位跟你說你在軍中表現非常好比如說我們的嚴部長在軍中你各方面的那個經歷養成都非常好你適合當董事長\n597130\t603052\t那民間企業會認為說你這個委外的單位說你適合當董事長那我的公司就可以當董事長那我們的營長你說他表現得非常好他有特殊的專長出去他就能當廠長嗎我想這個在很多的標準上面它是需要一個政府的認證就像我們剛剛講的考試院為什麼你的軍中的執照可以直接去開公車你現在如果像我們的艦長其實你都可以開軍艦\n626081\t629785\t那個都可以負責打仗可是他沒有辦法當商船的船長我想這個才是最大的問題我們既然要花錢希望他把效益做出來那也希望先提供相關的資料給我們後續再做探討謝謝委員指導我們把考試院這個狀況納進來謝謝委員指導\n","txt":"麻煩請主委有請主委謝謝媽媽朋友好主委好主委首先要感謝主委就是在上個會期本席提出來以後我們對於有給子農民在農院所應享受的福利可以跟錦霄還有\n錦霄海巡等等其實想同樣的權利這個部分主委已經做到了就我們在退府會所轄的醫院裡面其實我們已經給了這些有幾子榮民這樣的福利可是另外我想要請教這個部分真的要謝謝主委\n可以立即的去做一個修正不過在衛福部所屬的醫院裡面我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣\n報告委員 這個案子我們去年開始啟動就是我們有職的農民在農業的這些全能補助這方面部分階級我們已經在啟動了那現在目前送到行政院之後行政院希望我們把這些就醫的狀況以及階層提供詳細的數據提供數據給他們然後再做全班的一個規劃那現在積極在處理\n行政院需要的這些資料他們過去沒有嗎像我們有一些在年金的改革或者有很多的這些相關的資料這個有很困難嗎這個會議是我們處長去開的我請處長跟您報告簡單說明就好就行政院的意見是怎麼樣要或不要\n報告委員行政院是非常支持在這部分的一個補助那他是希望我們輔導會能夠提供有關於這個榮民從這個退休年齡跟就醫的這個頻率來做一個分析比較以上這不是刁難嗎我們當你不要幫行政院做這樣的那個承諾你是行政院的那個你應該要幫的是我們的退役的同袍\n今天他們在有這樣的需求因為我們為什麼會這樣提是因為你警消還有所有的海巡人員其實都已經納入了我們只是讓他們享有同等的待遇而已不然你政府口口聲聲尤其現在兩岸兵兇戰危然後你又要募兵然後你又希望說要給軍人最好的一個待遇尤其我們賴總統在\n演說的時候他還特別強調希望我們好好的照顧我們這些現役的軍人退役的軍人可是我們連這樣都做不到你還要再去做比較表那要怎麼比較說他們就醫的狀況或者他退休的年齡那你其他的有做這些嗎\n我想這就是刁難這個部分我們還是希望可以據理力爭因為對於真的要照顧現役退役的軍人你要人家犧牲生命要人家保家衛國可是當你有一點點福利的時候就跟他們算得很清楚這樣子會讓人家覺得這是口號這個部分退府會要有自己的角色跟定位而不是認為行政院他很積極的想做很積極就不會叫你提供這樣的資料是 我們會努力爭取\n那這個部分如果像類似的資料我們會不會很難做已經很久了嗎上一次行政院要求要這個這個會不會很難做如果不會很難做多久可以做出來可以交給行政院處長\n包委員我們會盡快把委員盡快是多快大概預定因為這個下次的這個行政希望我們在半年之內提供那開會的時間是12月31號12月所以我們預定是會在12月31號開的會你什麼時候提去年12月是是所以你近期我們會盡快的把資料送出去好\n因為我們希望行政院一定要記住他們在現階段對軍人的承諾過去跟現在都一樣現在為什麼大家會不願意進來當軍人第一 你的薪資並不高你的義務役現在增加了兩萬可是我們的志願役並沒有雖然你現在加了一些給予看起來好像有可是事實上對現役軍人他的照顧還有福利還是不足的\n就像我們看到上校街以上退役人員不可以領取子女教育補助費這是有階級差別的像這個已經講了七八年到現在都還沒有做出來甚至其實已經有民進黨委員也算出來我們連\n財政的來源都有了現在教育部補助的這些學費的預算把它扣掉其實都還足足有餘來支付這一筆預算所以不要淪為口號這個部分我們希望退補會還是站住我們自己的立場好好的去爭取好不好我們立場不會變好謝謝謝謝主委那另外我們看到這個報告裡面從上一次的\n會議裡面其實主委也一直提到尤其主委在擔任部長的時候其實就已經跟那時候馮世寬主委大概兩位其實積極在推動就是軍職專長跟民間職業轉型對照的這個部分\n所以我想這是一個很好的一個理念政策那我們也希望其實他可以好好的去推動甚至可以看到他可以做得很成功因為最重要的是我們很多退役的軍人其實他都正值年輕力壯有的四十幾歲而已都有很好的未來還有他過去\n在軍中所受到的一些基礎訓練其實我相信都非常的好可是他們在求職上面其實常常碰到一些困難上不上下不下尤其那個年齡所以如果這個部分可以做好我們當然樂觀其成可是在做法或者它執行上面可能會有一些問題首先我們想請教的就是說在國軍其實它有700多項專長\n那其中有404項對照民間的職業項目是比對不出來的這是國防部說的因為在之前他提到這個部分是沒有辦法去做比對那退府會現在準備要委商辦理委外在報告上面是什麼說\n問題是最了解軍人的還有最清楚國軍政策的是國防部他都已經說他轉嫌資料有一半以上是比對不出來他們要轉嫌的這些資料在執行上面會至愛難行那我想請教如果連國防部這麼熟悉的一個單位他都沒有辦法做出來哪一個民間單位可以做\n我要跟委員報告我們這個軍事專長轉弦的國安部是第一個我們跨部會合作的單位所以國安部提供的軍職專長是743項都已經提供了所以我們這裡面列了404項就在這個裡面所以除了404項以外所有的專長所以也沒有所謂其他漏掉是國安部提供的因為跨部會合作其他還有勞動部經濟部跟教育部\n有些是跨部份很重要我等一下會提到可是哪一個委外單位有辦法做到因為其實最清楚的所以我們是直接把這個提供給委外的這個單位嗎就我們已經有的這些相關資料\n簡單說就好委員好我是就業處處長跟委員報告我們這個軍職專長現在其實從這個案子一啟動我們就是跟國防部密切的每一次做任何的動作都是國防部有納入那現在他743項裡面我們將來我們也已經採購公告我們也都出去我們要求的是你這個來參與這個委商的這個單位一定要有時機還有能力\n你時機跟能力那哪有時機啊 這個就沒有人做到有 這個跟委員報告其實勞動部 教育部 經濟部都有相關職能基準的一個經驗所以他們建議我們要偽商時間的部分 因為\n這時間的關係我們希望把相關的一個做法更具體的而有哪一些單位是可以做的提供給本席一些書面資料另外我要在這裡提醒的不好意思跟主席接一點時間我要在這裡特別提醒的是過去我們可以成功比如說像我們君子\n直接退下來以後直接去開公車他的那個公車駕照為什麼因為當時考試院他曾經做過這樣的一個對照表就是他直接認可所以如果你有院紀或者跨部會的協調你有政府的認可認證他才有可能這樣因為他直接退下來用軍中的執照他就可以去開\n民間的我們的公車或巴士現在我們面臨到的困難我舉個例子好了我們海軍一級艦的艦長其實他退役以後他沒有辦法去做商船的船長所以你今天最大的困難是沒有辦法取得證照\n因為就是沒有證照所以你們沒有辦法做那這個部分是你要先克服你才有辦法不然委外的單位跟你說這個可以委外的單位跟你說你在軍中表現非常好比如說我們的嚴部長在軍中你各方面的那個經歷養成都非常好你適合當董事長\n那民間企業會認為說你這個委外的單位說你適合當董事長那我的公司就可以當董事長那我們的營長你說他表現得非常好他有特殊的專長出去他就能當廠長嗎我想這個在很多的標準上面它是需要一個政府的認證就像我們剛剛講的考試院為什麼你的軍中的執照可以直接去開公車你現在如果像我們的艦長其實你都可以開軍艦\n那個都可以負責打仗可是他沒有辦法當商船的船長我想這個才是最大的問題我們既然要花錢希望他把效益做出來那也希望先提供相關的資料給我們後續再做探討謝謝委員指導我們把考試院這個狀況納進來謝謝委員指導\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.389 --> 00:02.430\n麻煩請主委有請主委謝謝媽媽朋友好主委好主委首先要感謝主委就是在上個會期本席提出來以後我們對於有給子農民在農院所應享受的福利可以跟錦霄還有\n\n00:29.359 --> 00:31.602\n錦霄海巡等等其實想同樣的權利這個部分主委已經做到了就我們在退府會所轄的醫院裡面其實我們已經給了這些有幾子榮民這樣的福利可是另外我想要請教這個部分真的要謝謝主委\n\n00:52.963 --> 01:00.841\n可以立即的去做一個修正不過在衛福部所屬的醫院裡面我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣\n\n01:03.328 --> 01:29.224\n報告委員這個案子我們去年開始啟動就是我們有職的農民在農業的這些全能補助這方面部分階級我們已經在啟動了那現在目前送到行政院之後行政院希望我們把這些就醫的狀況以及階層提供詳細的數據提供數據給他們然後再做全班的一個規劃那現在積極在處理\n\n01:32.830 --> 01:47.235\n行政院需要的這些資料他們過去沒有嗎像我們有一些在年金的改革或者有很多的這些相關的資料這個有很困難嗎這個會議是我們處長去開的我請處長跟您報告簡單說明就好就行政院的意見是怎麼樣要或不要\n\n01:53.383 --> 02:21.642\n報告委員行政院是非常支持在這部分的一個補助那他是希望我們輔導會能夠提供有關於這個榮民從這個退休年齡跟就醫的這個頻率來做一個分析比較以上這不是刁難嗎我們當你不要幫行政院做這樣的那個承諾你是行政院的那個你應該要幫的是我們的退役的同袍\n\n02:22.643 --> 02:46.840\n今天他們在有這樣的需求因為我們為什麼會這樣提是因為你警消還有所有的海巡人員其實都已經納入了我們只是讓他們享有同等的待遇而已不然你政府口口聲聲尤其現在兩岸兵兇戰危然後你又要募兵然後你又希望說要給軍人最好的一個待遇尤其我們賴總統在\n\n02:48.621 --> 03:06.788\n演說的時候他還特別強調希望我們好好的照顧我們這些現役的軍人退役的軍人可是我們連這樣都做不到你還要再去做比較表那要怎麼比較說他們就醫的狀況或者他退休的年齡那你其他的有做這些嗎\n\n03:07.788 --> 03:34.593\n我想這就是刁難這個部分我們還是希望可以據理力爭因為對於真的要照顧現役退役的軍人你要人家犧牲生命要人家保家衛國可是當你有一點點福利的時候就跟他們算得很清楚這樣子會讓人家覺得這是口號這個部分退府會要有自己的角色跟定位而不是認為行政院他很積極的想做很積極就不會叫你提供這樣的資料是我們會努力爭取\n\n03:38.001 --> 03:54.375\n那這個部分如果像類似的資料我們會不會很難做已經很久了嗎上一次行政院要求要這個這個會不會很難做如果不會很難做多久可以做出來可以交給行政院處長\n\n03:56.763 --> 04:07.673\n包委員我們會盡快把委員盡快是多快大概預定因為這個下次的這個行政希望我們在半年之內提供那開會的時間是12月31號12月所以我們預定是會在12月31號開的會你什麼時候提去年12月是是所以你近期我們會盡快的把資料送出去好\n\n04:15.339 --> 04:37.548\n因為我們希望行政院一定要記住他們在現階段對軍人的承諾過去跟現在都一樣現在為什麼大家會不願意進來當軍人第一你的薪資並不高你的義務役現在增加了兩萬可是我們的志願役並沒有雖然你現在加了一些給予看起來好像有可是事實上對現役軍人他的照顧還有福利還是不足的\n\n04:40.649 --> 04:55.851\n就像我們看到上校街以上退役人員不可以領取子女教育補助費這是有階級差別的像這個已經講了七八年到現在都還沒有做出來甚至其實已經有民進黨委員也算出來我們連\n\n04:57.752 --> 05:14.337\n財政的來源都有了現在教育部補助的這些學費的預算把它扣掉其實都還足足有餘來支付這一筆預算所以不要淪為口號這個部分我們希望退補會還是站住我們自己的立場好好的去爭取好不好我們立場不會變好謝謝謝謝主委那另外我們看到這個報告裡面從上一次的\n\n05:24.911 --> 05:36.678\n會議裡面其實主委也一直提到尤其主委在擔任部長的時候其實就已經跟那時候馮世寬主委大概兩位其實積極在推動就是軍職專長跟民間職業轉型對照的這個部分\n\n05:41.909 --> 05:53.192\n所以我想這是一個很好的一個理念政策那我們也希望其實他可以好好的去推動甚至可以看到他可以做得很成功因為最重要的是我們很多退役的軍人其實他都正值年輕力壯有的四十幾歲而已都有很好的未來還有他過去\n\n06:02.914 --> 06:23.639\n在軍中所受到的一些基礎訓練其實我相信都非常的好可是他們在求職上面其實常常碰到一些困難上不上下不下尤其那個年齡所以如果這個部分可以做好我們當然樂觀其成可是在做法或者它執行上面可能會有一些問題首先我們想請教的就是說在國軍其實它有700多項專長\n\n06:29.981 --> 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