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00:02:13,890\n危險入口的改善以及現在的永續的那我們大概每年都會成長1%多到2%的狀況來進行那因為這樣因為全國各縣市都普遍存在這樣的問題那所以我們的確是用這樣的目標持續在努力那也透過相關的預算在編列\n\n7\n00:02:15,097 --> 00:02:16,558\n但是我沒有看到短期的預期達到的目標過去這個計畫有沒有明確的改善計畫或者是說我們的進度控管還有是考核我是沒有看到我們看到的報告就是這幾頁就結束了\n\n8\n00:02:33,924 --> 00:02:56,073\n所以感覺剛才也看到還有另外一句說你剛才說成長率就是但是我們的人行道現在列名的什麼地域二名就是我們的人行道這邊好像地域一樣其中社會大眾關心的重點就是說我們人行道的寬度我們寬度\n\n9\n00:02:58,074 --> 00:03:04,460\n還有依據我們的人行道的寬度還有交通量的最低的限制但從110年到113\n\n10\n00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:35,944\n四年近寬不足最低標準的人行道也距離超過兩成所以我們國土署的問題檢討成果都不說都說達成率多少但是這個具體都沒有去講清楚所以我們的預期的什麼時候我們全國就是在低的標準寬度的人行道是在哪裡所以我們\n\n11\n00:03:36,984 --> 00:04:03,657\n沒有看到你們報告裡面跟委員報告其實大約每年在跟大會在大院在做相關的這個預算執行報告其實我們的相關的計畫裡面都已經有提列那因為各縣市所面臨的這樣的問題困難度不一那道路寬度呢也有寬窄不一那所以他要去劃的不管是實體人行道或標線型人行道那或者是施作相關的庇護島\n\n12\n00:04:04,477 --> 00:04:31,171\n每一個道路的條件都不同所以我們每年都在協助地方政府把這些去做加速的執行那我們跟大院報告的是說因為我們的預算執行率每年都高達98%以上顯示我們跟地方政府齊心努力每年都在改善這一些道路的人行道的寬度所以我們剛剛也提到大概每年是以1%到2%之間的比例再往上再提升\n\n13\n00:04:32,352 --> 00:04:40,323\n同時呢也在加速的訂定各項的規則在協助地方政府把這做出來但是我們看到今天是不是要來說成果報告還有檢討報告對不對但是我看你們的檢討跟成果\n\n14\n00:04:46,164 --> 00:05:11,377\n都沒有檢討都是報告如果是做得那麼好的話為什麼你看我們台灣行人五大地獄現象12月的死亡率你自己看嘛所以說我們是說做得那麼好還有說一直在關心的是解凍解凍的費用但是有沒有關心說剛才你說的費用是足的\n\n15\n00:05:12,458 --> 00:05:20,925\n非能讓你做得夠的但是我們看到的是是這樣子的面向跟委員報告其實如果認真要去做改善其實\n\n16\n00:05:23,356 --> 00:05:30,222\n現在的預算不夠連刪減連解凍都沒有辦法因為事實上地方政府也期待都跟我們一樣就是因為預算執行率夠高才可以跟大院講說我們都覺得預算不夠每年的預算執行率都超過98%以上\n\n17\n00:05:44,153 --> 00:05:54,118\n所以才會希望大院對預算98%以上執行率不到60%這樣子的話我們才要去更節預算希望說你們要有計畫但是今天我看到的就是報告就是了了幾張就報告了事所以還有就是說我們在國土計畫上一起生活圈的道路裡面我們剛才有說裡面有九個\n\n18\n00:06:14,129 --> 00:06:35,395\n未能如期完工的工程是延到111年到延到116年但是在我們在其中三個案件在112年就是也提出多次的流標又沒有人來去標案所以沒辦法去執行比如說我們彰化大補鄉這邊我們大陸的寬度規劃\n\n19\n00:06:40,208 --> 00:06:53,795\n所以說也是就是就緩慢還有呢我們工程的費用就一路上修原油就是在我們定的11億現在增加到21億\n\n20\n00:06:55,956 --> 00:07:23,197\n七千八百萬但是新增的佔領就原定的餘額就是四十點三五趴結果呢從我們一零八年前就計劃要核定當初是要說今年十二月就完工了但是呢一直拖拖拖到七年十月份再宣布說再封路三年\n\n21\n00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:47,224\n這樣的計畫的形成所以說完全沒有再去做好所以呢又再編列預算所以這樣子的計畫什麼時候才看到說我們真正的執行的評估在哪裡經費又要管控在如何去製作才會達到說我們的\n\n22\n00:07:49,065 --> 00:08:00,600\n交通道路讓大家可以安心嘛但是我們沒有看到所以如果是做得好的話大家就不會去去申訴啦所以這個部分也多吃的流標\n\n23\n00:08:04,545 --> 00:08:21,379\n所以這個報告是不是可以要拜託你用一份給我們現在讓你看你說你怎麼樣有什麼就是措施有什麼方案真的是達成不要一言再言經費一算再算又一直在掙扎事情沒做錢一直在拿\n\n24\n00:08:25,441 --> 00:08:45,256\n好感謝委員因為其實在過去幾年的確因為工程預算就是在流標的問題比較嚴重那大概在11年到113年之間其實我們大概全國各地的公共工程都有類似的情形就是說整個的這個營建成本快補了\n\n25\n00:08:45,956 --> 00:09:03,044\n快速的上漲導致這些道路無法決標那其實在過去幾年都陸陸續續在做改善那現在都已經在執行當中那對於我們的預算來講其實預算上漲代表我們在這個地方呢他還是很受地方政府的這個支持工程要完成\n\n26\n00:09:05,845 --> 00:09:15,730\n預算上漲是沒有問題因為有新的道路有地方要改善但是執行經費95%工程執行再延後三年再來編列預算\n\n27\n00:09:21,092 --> 00:09:25,335\n這樣對不對所以說這個都是我們人民的喜漢錢不是說一直要預算但是工程又流標又來掂量預算所以我們希望的執行的目標就要提升我們的區道路的品質與安全交通安全還有打造就是行人的與汽車的環境還有改善我們的交通\n\n28\n00:09:50,711 --> 00:10:06,450\n都是路口的轉彎的點的功能還有強化道路的排水還有照明我們的景觀的措施所以推動智慧交通的整理這樣的管理\n\n29\n00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:10,072\n這樣才真的是我們的目標但是我們不能在報告裡面執行力的預算我們跟你申請多少預算問得開嘹嘹但是你要報的說你們的執行的措施執行的效果在哪裡的目標在哪裡我們要的是這個對我們的人民才真的幫助不是說你們便利預算有花完達到預算\n\n30\n00:10:36,687 --> 00:10:55,628\n就是執行率95%98%但是我們的措施我們的道路執行率達不到一半60%這樣子的話我們就是要消耗力算不是真正的執行的目的所以希望我們的商項以上\n\n31\n00:10:56,309 --> 00:11:11,337\n提出更具體的預算還有怎麼樣的方案讓我們真真才了解你們做到哪裡才能說到最後如何再去解凍因為我們要的\n\n32\n00:11:13,219 --> 00:11:28,612\n凍結預算就是要讓你們要有具體的方式具體的目標才能照這樣去執行好嗎可以嗎好謝謝委員我們會再做一些說明謝謝好麻煩你再把計畫交到我們的辦公室可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝麥律生委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9571\t14413\t主席好 有請國土署署長好 請吳新修署長委員好署長好今天的專案報告有看到就是分為三個大面向就是生活圈道路系統檢討還有永續提升行人安全計畫以及\n37045\t57982\t提升道路品質但是其中就提到了為了強化行人安全而針對改善行人道路的地方補助計劃根據我們的國土管理署的統計全國市區人行到普及率110年\n58863\t71916\t的年底為36.68%112年測為38.4%只有微微增加但是我看到你們的報告裡面的說98 95%以上\n76240\t90509\t這樣的數據連預算中心在113年都指出成長幅度非常低落所以請教署長全國市區人行道的普及率是目前是多少還有明確的數據嗎這我想要請教一下\n98406\t113105\t跟委員報告我們大概每年因為全台灣當時都市計畫道路開闢的時候人行道德施作比例的確很低那所以我們透過相關的計畫包含生活圈包含提升道路品質那也包含了這一個後來的這一個\n115027\t133890\t危險入口的改善以及現在的永續的那我們大概每年都會成長1%多到2%的狀況來進行那因為這樣因為全國各縣市都普遍存在這樣的問題那所以我們的確是用這樣的目標持續在努力那也透過相關的預算在編列\n135097\t136558\t但是我沒有看到短期的預期達到的目標過去這個計畫有沒有明確的改善計畫或者是說我們的進度控管還有是考核我是沒有看到 我們看到的報告就是這幾頁就結束了\n153924\t176073\t所以感覺剛才也看到還有另外一句說你剛才說成長率就是但是我們的人行道現在列名的什麼地域二名就是我們的人行道這邊好像地域一樣其中社會大眾關心的重點就是說我們人行道的寬度我們寬度\n178074\t184460\t還有依據我們的人行道的寬度還有交通量的最低的限制但從110年到113\n189039\t215944\t四年近寬不足最低標準的人行道也距離超過兩成所以我們國土署的問題檢討成果都不說都說達成率多少但是這個具體都沒有去講清楚所以我們的預期的什麼時候我們全國就是在低的標準寬度的人行道是在哪裡所以我們\n216984\t243657\t沒有看到你們報告裡面跟委員報告其實大約每年在跟大會在大院在做相關的這個預算執行報告其實我們的相關的計畫裡面都已經有提列那因為各縣市所面臨的這樣的問題困難度不一那道路寬度呢也有寬窄不一那所以他要去劃的不管是實體人行道或標線型人行道那或者是施作相關的庇護島\n244477\t271171\t每一個道路的條件都不同所以我們每年都在協助地方政府把這些去做加速的執行那我們跟大院報告的是說因為我們的預算執行率每年都高達98%以上顯示我們跟地方政府齊心努力每年都在改善這一些道路的人行道的寬度所以我們剛剛也提到大概每年是以1%到2%之間的比例再往上再提升\n272352\t280323\t同時呢也在加速的訂定各項的規則在協助地方政府把這做出來但是我們看到今天是不是要來說成果報告還有檢討報告對不對但是我看你們的檢討跟成果\n286164\t311377\t都沒有檢討都是報告如果是做得那麼好的話為什麼你看我們台灣行人五大地獄現象12月的死亡率你自己看嘛所以說我們是說做得那麼好還有說一直在關心的是解凍解凍的費用但是有沒有關心說剛才你說的費用是足的\n312458\t320925\t非能讓你做得夠的但是我們看到的是是這樣子的面向跟委員報告其實如果認真要去做改善其實\n323356\t330222\t現在的預算不夠 連刪減連解凍都沒有辦法因為事實上地方政府也期待都跟我們一樣就是因為預算執行率夠高才可以跟大院講說我們都覺得預算不夠每年的預算執行率都超過98%以上\n344153\t354118\t所以才會希望大院對 預算98%以上執行率不到60%這樣子的話我們才要去更節預算希望說你們要有計畫但是今天我看到的就是報告就是了了幾張就報告了事所以還有就是說我們在國土計畫上一起生活圈的道路裡面我們剛才有說裡面有九個\n374129\t395395\t未能如期完工的工程是延到111年到延到116年但是在我們在其中三個案件在112年就是也提出多次的流標又沒有人來去標案所以沒辦法去執行比如說我們彰化大補鄉這邊我們大陸的寬度規劃\n400208\t413795\t所以說也是就是就緩慢還有呢我們工程的費用就一路上修原油就是在我們定的11億現在增加到21億\n415956\t443197\t七千八百萬但是新增的佔領就原定的餘額就是四十點三五趴結果呢從我們一零八年前就計劃要核定當初是要說今年十二月就完工了但是呢一直拖拖拖到七年十月份再宣布說再封路三年\n444277\t467224\t這樣的計畫的形成所以說完全沒有再去做好所以呢又再編列預算所以這樣子的計畫什麼時候才看到說我們真正的執行的評估在哪裡經費又要管控在如何去製作才會達到說我們的\n469065\t480600\t交通道路讓大家可以安心嘛但是我們沒有看到所以如果是做得好的話大家就不會去去申訴啦所以這個部分也多吃的流標\n484545\t501379\t所以這個報告是不是可以 要拜託你用一份給我們現在讓你看 你說你怎麼樣有什麼就是措施 有什麼方案真的是達成不要一言再言 經費一算再算 又一直在掙扎事情沒做 錢一直在拿\n505441\t525256\t好感謝委員因為其實在過去幾年的確因為工程預算就是在流標的問題比較嚴重那大概在11年到113年之間其實我們大概全國各地的公共工程都有類似的情形就是說整個的這個營建成本快補了\n525956\t543044\t快速的上漲導致這些道路無法決標那其實在過去幾年都陸陸續續在做改善那現在都已經在執行當中那對於我們的預算來講其實預算上漲代表我們在這個地方呢他還是很受地方政府的這個支持工程要完成\n545845\t555730\t預算上漲是沒有問題因為有新的道路有地方要改善但是執行經費95%工程執行再延後三年再來編列預算\n561092\t565335\t這樣對不對所以說這個都是我們人民的喜漢錢不是說一直要預算但是工程又流標又來掂量預算所以我們希望的執行的目標就要提升我們的區道路的品質與安全交通安全還有打造就是行人的與汽車的環境還有改善我們的交通\n590711\t606450\t都是路口的轉彎的點的功能還有強化道路的排水還有照明我們的景觀的措施所以推動智慧交通的整理這樣的管理\n606890\t610072\t這樣才真的是我們的目標但是我們不能在報告裡面執行力的預算我們跟你申請多少預算問得開嘹嘹但是你要報的說你們的執行的措施執行的效果在哪裡的目標在哪裡我們要的是這個對我們的人民才真的幫助不是說你們便利預算有花完達到預算\n636687\t655628\t就是執行率95% 98%但是我們的措施我們的道路執行率達不到一半60%這樣子的話我們就是要消耗力算不是真正的執行的目的所以希望我們的商項以上\n656309\t671337\t提出更具體的預算還有怎麼樣的方案讓我們真真才了解你們做到哪裡才能說到最後如何再去解凍因為我們要的\n673219\t688612\t凍結預算就是要讓你們要有具體的方式具體的目標才能照這樣去執行好嗎 可以嗎好 謝謝委員我們會再做一些說明 謝謝好 麻煩你再把計畫交到我們的辦公室可以嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝麥律生委員\n","txt":"主席好 有請國土署署長好 請吳新修署長委員好署長好今天的專案報告有看到就是分為三個大面向就是生活圈道路系統檢討還有永續提升行人安全計畫以及\n提升道路品質但是其中就提到了為了強化行人安全而針對改善行人道路的地方補助計劃根據我們的國土管理署的統計全國市區人行到普及率110年\n的年底為36.68%112年測為38.4%只有微微增加但是我看到你們的報告裡面的說98 95%以上\n這樣的數據連預算中心在113年都指出成長幅度非常低落所以請教署長全國市區人行道的普及率是目前是多少還有明確的數據嗎這我想要請教一下\n跟委員報告我們大概每年因為全台灣當時都市計畫道路開闢的時候人行道德施作比例的確很低那所以我們透過相關的計畫包含生活圈包含提升道路品質那也包含了這一個後來的這一個\n危險入口的改善以及現在的永續的那我們大概每年都會成長1%多到2%的狀況來進行那因為這樣因為全國各縣市都普遍存在這樣的問題那所以我們的確是用這樣的目標持續在努力那也透過相關的預算在編列\n但是我沒有看到短期的預期達到的目標過去這個計畫有沒有明確的改善計畫或者是說我們的進度控管還有是考核我是沒有看到 我們看到的報告就是這幾頁就結束了\n所以感覺剛才也看到還有另外一句說你剛才說成長率就是但是我們的人行道現在列名的什麼地域二名就是我們的人行道這邊好像地域一樣其中社會大眾關心的重點就是說我們人行道的寬度我們寬度\n還有依據我們的人行道的寬度還有交通量的最低的限制但從110年到113\n四年近寬不足最低標準的人行道也距離超過兩成所以我們國土署的問題檢討成果都不說都說達成率多少但是這個具體都沒有去講清楚所以我們的預期的什麼時候我們全國就是在低的標準寬度的人行道是在哪裡所以我們\n沒有看到你們報告裡面跟委員報告其實大約每年在跟大會在大院在做相關的這個預算執行報告其實我們的相關的計畫裡面都已經有提列那因為各縣市所面臨的這樣的問題困難度不一那道路寬度呢也有寬窄不一那所以他要去劃的不管是實體人行道或標線型人行道那或者是施作相關的庇護島\n每一個道路的條件都不同所以我們每年都在協助地方政府把這些去做加速的執行那我們跟大院報告的是說因為我們的預算執行率每年都高達98%以上顯示我們跟地方政府齊心努力每年都在改善這一些道路的人行道的寬度所以我們剛剛也提到大概每年是以1%到2%之間的比例再往上再提升\n同時呢也在加速的訂定各項的規則在協助地方政府把這做出來但是我們看到今天是不是要來說成果報告還有檢討報告對不對但是我看你們的檢討跟成果\n都沒有檢討都是報告如果是做得那麼好的話為什麼你看我們台灣行人五大地獄現象12月的死亡率你自己看嘛所以說我們是說做得那麼好還有說一直在關心的是解凍解凍的費用但是有沒有關心說剛才你說的費用是足的\n非能讓你做得夠的但是我們看到的是是這樣子的面向跟委員報告其實如果認真要去做改善其實\n現在的預算不夠 連刪減連解凍都沒有辦法因為事實上地方政府也期待都跟我們一樣就是因為預算執行率夠高才可以跟大院講說我們都覺得預算不夠每年的預算執行率都超過98%以上\n所以才會希望大院對 預算98%以上執行率不到60%這樣子的話我們才要去更節預算希望說你們要有計畫但是今天我看到的就是報告就是了了幾張就報告了事所以還有就是說我們在國土計畫上一起生活圈的道路裡面我們剛才有說裡面有九個\n未能如期完工的工程是延到111年到延到116年但是在我們在其中三個案件在112年就是也提出多次的流標又沒有人來去標案所以沒辦法去執行比如說我們彰化大補鄉這邊我們大陸的寬度規劃\n所以說也是就是就緩慢還有呢我們工程的費用就一路上修原油就是在我們定的11億現在增加到21億\n七千八百萬但是新增的佔領就原定的餘額就是四十點三五趴結果呢從我們一零八年前就計劃要核定當初是要說今年十二月就完工了但是呢一直拖拖拖到七年十月份再宣布說再封路三年\n這樣的計畫的形成所以說完全沒有再去做好所以呢又再編列預算所以這樣子的計畫什麼時候才看到說我們真正的執行的評估在哪裡經費又要管控在如何去製作才會達到說我們的\n交通道路讓大家可以安心嘛但是我們沒有看到所以如果是做得好的話大家就不會去去申訴啦所以這個部分也多吃的流標\n所以這個報告是不是可以 要拜託你用一份給我們現在讓你看 你說你怎麼樣有什麼就是措施 有什麼方案真的是達成不要一言再言 經費一算再算 又一直在掙扎事情沒做 錢一直在拿\n好感謝委員因為其實在過去幾年的確因為工程預算就是在流標的問題比較嚴重那大概在11年到113年之間其實我們大概全國各地的公共工程都有類似的情形就是說整個的這個營建成本快補了\n快速的上漲導致這些道路無法決標那其實在過去幾年都陸陸續續在做改善那現在都已經在執行當中那對於我們的預算來講其實預算上漲代表我們在這個地方呢他還是很受地方政府的這個支持工程要完成\n預算上漲是沒有問題因為有新的道路有地方要改善但是執行經費95%工程執行再延後三年再來編列預算\n這樣對不對所以說這個都是我們人民的喜漢錢不是說一直要預算但是工程又流標又來掂量預算所以我們希望的執行的目標就要提升我們的區道路的品質與安全交通安全還有打造就是行人的與汽車的環境還有改善我們的交通\n都是路口的轉彎的點的功能還有強化道路的排水還有照明我們的景觀的措施所以推動智慧交通的整理這樣的管理\n這樣才真的是我們的目標但是我們不能在報告裡面執行力的預算我們跟你申請多少預算問得開嘹嘹但是你要報的說你們的執行的措施執行的效果在哪裡的目標在哪裡我們要的是這個對我們的人民才真的幫助不是說你們便利預算有花完達到預算\n就是執行率95% 98%但是我們的措施我們的道路執行率達不到一半60%這樣子的話我們就是要消耗力算不是真正的執行的目的所以希望我們的商項以上\n提出更具體的預算還有怎麼樣的方案讓我們真真才了解你們做到哪裡才能說到最後如何再去解凍因為我們要的\n凍結預算就是要讓你們要有具體的方式具體的目標才能照這樣去執行好嗎 可以嗎好 謝謝委員我們會再做一些說明 謝謝好 麻煩你再把計畫交到我們的辦公室可以嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝麥律生委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.571 --> 00:14.413\n主席好有請國土署署長好請吳新修署長委員好署長好今天的專案報告有看到就是分為三個大面向就是生活圈道路系統檢討還有永續提升行人安全計畫以及\n\n00:37.045 --> 00:57.982\n提升道路品質但是其中就提到了為了強化行人安全而針對改善行人道路的地方補助計劃根據我們的國土管理署的統計全國市區人行到普及率110年\n\n00:58.863 --> 01:11.916\n的年底為36.68%112年測為38.4%只有微微增加但是我看到你們的報告裡面的說9895%以上\n\n01:16.240 --> 01:30.509\n這樣的數據連預算中心在113年都指出成長幅度非常低落所以請教署長全國市區人行道的普及率是目前是多少還有明確的數據嗎這我想要請教一下\n\n01:38.406 --> 01:53.105\n跟委員報告我們大概每年因為全台灣當時都市計畫道路開闢的時候人行道德施作比例的確很低那所以我們透過相關的計畫包含生活圈包含提升道路品質那也包含了這一個後來的這一個\n\n01:55.027 --> 02:13.890\n危險入口的改善以及現在的永續的那我們大概每年都會成長1%多到2%的狀況來進行那因為這樣因為全國各縣市都普遍存在這樣的問題那所以我們的確是用這樣的目標持續在努力那也透過相關的預算在編列\n\n02:15.097 --> 02:16.558\n但是我沒有看到短期的預期達到的目標過去這個計畫有沒有明確的改善計畫或者是說我們的進度控管還有是考核我是沒有看到我們看到的報告就是這幾頁就結束了\n\n02:33.924 --> 02:56.073\n所以感覺剛才也看到還有另外一句說你剛才說成長率就是但是我們的人行道現在列名的什麼地域二名就是我們的人行道這邊好像地域一樣其中社會大眾關心的重點就是說我們人行道的寬度我們寬度\n\n02:58.074 --> 03:04.460\n還有依據我們的人行道的寬度還有交通量的最低的限制但從110年到113\n\n03:09.039 --> 03:35.944\n四年近寬不足最低標準的人行道也距離超過兩成所以我們國土署的問題檢討成果都不說都說達成率多少但是這個具體都沒有去講清楚所以我們的預期的什麼時候我們全國就是在低的標準寬度的人行道是在哪裡所以我們\n\n03:36.984 --> 04:03.657\n沒有看到你們報告裡面跟委員報告其實大約每年在跟大會在大院在做相關的這個預算執行報告其實我們的相關的計畫裡面都已經有提列那因為各縣市所面臨的這樣的問題困難度不一那道路寬度呢也有寬窄不一那所以他要去劃的不管是實體人行道或標線型人行道那或者是施作相關的庇護島\n\n04:04.477 --> 04:31.171\n每一個道路的條件都不同所以我們每年都在協助地方政府把這些去做加速的執行那我們跟大院報告的是說因為我們的預算執行率每年都高達98%以上顯示我們跟地方政府齊心努力每年都在改善這一些道路的人行道的寬度所以我們剛剛也提到大概每年是以1%到2%之間的比例再往上再提升\n\n04:32.352 --> 04:40.323\n同時呢也在加速的訂定各項的規則在協助地方政府把這做出來但是我們看到今天是不是要來說成果報告還有檢討報告對不對但是我看你們的檢討跟成果\n\n04:46.164 --> 05:11.377\n都沒有檢討都是報告如果是做得那麼好的話為什麼你看我們台灣行人五大地獄現象12月的死亡率你自己看嘛所以說我們是說做得那麼好還有說一直在關心的是解凍解凍的費用但是有沒有關心說剛才你說的費用是足的\n\n05:12.458 --> 05:20.925\n非能讓你做得夠的但是我們看到的是是這樣子的面向跟委員報告其實如果認真要去做改善其實\n\n05:23.356 --> 05:30.222\n現在的預算不夠連刪減連解凍都沒有辦法因為事實上地方政府也期待都跟我們一樣就是因為預算執行率夠高才可以跟大院講說我們都覺得預算不夠每年的預算執行率都超過98%以上\n\n05:44.153 --> 05:54.118\n所以才會希望大院對預算98%以上執行率不到60%這樣子的話我們才要去更節預算希望說你們要有計畫但是今天我看到的就是報告就是了了幾張就報告了事所以還有就是說我們在國土計畫上一起生活圈的道路裡面我們剛才有說裡面有九個\n\n06:14.129 --> 06:35.395\n未能如期完工的工程是延到111年到延到116年但是在我們在其中三個案件在112年就是也提出多次的流標又沒有人來去標案所以沒辦法去執行比如說我們彰化大補鄉這邊我們大陸的寬度規劃\n\n06:40.208 --> 06:53.795\n所以說也是就是就緩慢還有呢我們工程的費用就一路上修原油就是在我們定的11億現在增加到21億\n\n06:55.956 --> 07:23.197\n七千八百萬但是新增的佔領就原定的餘額就是四十點三五趴結果呢從我們一零八年前就計劃要核定當初是要說今年十二月就完工了但是呢一直拖拖拖到七年十月份再宣布說再封路三年\n\n07:24.277 --> 07:47.224\n這樣的計畫的形成所以說完全沒有再去做好所以呢又再編列預算所以這樣子的計畫什麼時候才看到說我們真正的執行的評估在哪裡經費又要管控在如何去製作才會達到說我們的\n\n07:49.065 --> 08:00.600\n交通道路讓大家可以安心嘛但是我們沒有看到所以如果是做得好的話大家就不會去去申訴啦所以這個部分也多吃的流標\n\n08:04.545 --> 08:21.379\n所以這個報告是不是可以要拜託你用一份給我們現在讓你看你說你怎麼樣有什麼就是措施有什麼方案真的是達成不要一言再言經費一算再算又一直在掙扎事情沒做錢一直在拿\n\n08:25.441 --> 08:45.256\n好感謝委員因為其實在過去幾年的確因為工程預算就是在流標的問題比較嚴重那大概在11年到113年之間其實我們大概全國各地的公共工程都有類似的情形就是說整個的這個營建成本快補了\n\n08:45.956 --> 09:03.044\n快速的上漲導致這些道路無法決標那其實在過去幾年都陸陸續續在做改善那現在都已經在執行當中那對於我們的預算來講其實預算上漲代表我們在這個地方呢他還是很受地方政府的這個支持工程要完成\n\n09:05.845 --> 09:15.730\n預算上漲是沒有問題因為有新的道路有地方要改善但是執行經費95%工程執行再延後三年再來編列預算\n\n09:21.092 --> 09:25.335\n這樣對不對所以說這個都是我們人民的喜漢錢不是說一直要預算但是工程又流標又來掂量預算所以我們希望的執行的目標就要提升我們的區道路的品質與安全交通安全還有打造就是行人的與汽車的環境還有改善我們的交通\n\n09:50.711 --> 10:06.450\n都是路口的轉彎的點的功能還有強化道路的排水還有照明我們的景觀的措施所以推動智慧交通的整理這樣的管理\n\n10:06.890 --> 10:10.072\n這樣才真的是我們的目標但是我們不能在報告裡面執行力的預算我們跟你申請多少預算問得開嘹嘹但是你要報的說你們的執行的措施執行的效果在哪裡的目標在哪裡我們要的是這個對我們的人民才真的幫助不是說你們便利預算有花完達到預算\n\n10:36.687 --> 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