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00:01:17,017\n本公司已針對員工意願進行調查於114年3月13日提送工時協商會議研議隨身安全配備之發放還有的管理事宜那我回敬114年第一次車班工時協商會議決議出席代表全數不同意購買本案將持續進行溝通研議那對此回覆的內容本席退辭就交總經理那請問本次的調查中\n\n4\n00:01:18,198 --> 00:01:36,618\n是針對哪一些類別的員工進行調查報告委員我們針對這案子先前發生了幾次員工遭到旅客的一些言語辱罵還有暴力事件所以我們也在員工的建議下我們來做一個密錄器的一個調查\n\n5\n00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:58,501\n那這個調查我們主要是針對直接面對旅客包括我們的乘務人員我們的列車長車長對還有我們這個站務人員票閘口會跟旅客直接接觸我們有做一個全面的一個調查那這次納入應該就是要被調查的員工人數大概是多少人\n\n6\n00:01:59,674 --> 00:02:15,381\n人數的話我1039人1039人那實際完成調查的員工人數是多少人?實際950人是1139人那實際被調查的人數是900人調查表是950是950人嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:24,065 --> 00:02:30,709\n900人是900人那在接受這項調查的員工當中有多少人認為應該要佩戴密錄器認為有這個需要現在有依照我們業務單位是57人57%57%那總經理您這邊知道就是認為有需要的人數是多少嗎有計算嗎\n\n8\n00:02:56,833 --> 00:03:24,386\n對沒關係認為有需要的人數是510人那確實他佔了57%那認為沒有需要的是313人那佔34%那總經理那請問在這次的調查有多少員工認為應該統一供發密錄器對這認為有需要的我們在第一波的這個調查裡面那目前按照資料510人都是認為是有需要要\n\n9\n00:03:26,049 --> 00:03:46,364\n來做一個佩戴實際人數其實是513人那有500那其中那認為就是沒有不需要公發的人數是339人那換句話說有超過一半的員工贊成公發密錄器那加上沒有意見的的員工呢那就是有超過六成那請問總經理這樣的解讀沒有錯吧\n\n10\n00:03:48,354 --> 00:04:05,226\n對如果按照我們先前的做針對我們要保護的對象的調查那既然有超過一半的員工他是贊成公發密錄器那加上沒有意見的有那這樣子是打六成以上那為什麼在會議上所有的代表卻一致反對公發密錄器呢\n\n11\n00:04:07,113 --> 00:04:18,689\n就我們現在目前的了解因為3月13號有召開公使會議那相關的出席的代表老公代表也有表達就是在過程中因為\n\n12\n00:04:20,148 --> 00:04:46,918\n公發密錄器還要負保管的責任那我們有參考相關單位他們的一個密錄器的使用的相關規定那因為配發了這個密錄器我們就希望所以總經理您認為是因為要負保管的責任所以大家一致反對還有全程要做攝影他們也有提到這樣的一個沒錯那其中他是在第二點乘務執行中應全程開機錄影您認為這樣合理嗎\n\n13\n00:04:49,322 --> 00:05:15,180\n對在討論過程中他們也有提到他們舉例說如果上廁所也要開那我們內部是有評估就是有些比較特殊的涉及個人在執行過程中比如上廁所這種比較隱私的確實是可以來做一個關機上廁所也要開確實侵犯到隱私怎麼會有這一點說在執行的全程都應該要開呢為什麼當時沒有排除這一點\n\n14\n00:05:17,004 --> 00:05:28,030\n當初訂這樣全程是一個原則性原則性就是說希望發給這樣一個密錄器本身因為非常的不合理當初我們就是在討論的時候就是為了要保護員工\n\n15\n00:05:30,049 --> 00:05:57,022\n那這樣子反而造成他們受到全面監控的壓力增加心理負擔那導致反抗和反感還有抗拒的心理這樣無助於安全那是否要重新來檢視這個管理規範對我們會再跟透過公使會議再跟我們的老房的相關的代表來做一個溝通討論就針對這樣的一個執勤中他們比較在意的一個事項大家去做一個討論不過因為\n\n16\n00:05:58,863 --> 00:06:26,658\n密錄器的這個發放它是屬於統一發放那我們還是希望它能夠發揮它的效果所謂它發揮效果就是說在需要的時候它的影像都能夠有記錄完整的記錄下來那才能夠確保我們公共的安全公共門派發密錄器早已行之有年我們來看到這幾個機關像在消防機關它在執行使用隨身影像記錄器的時候它有管理指導原則那財政部那它也有\n\n17\n00:06:27,734 --> 00:06:44,987\n他也有管理要點那包括台南市政府的社會局還有所屬機關那我們看到這三個單位的共同點都是他們授權佩戴人員他根據現場來判斷是否要開啟錄影他們尊重專業然後兼顧彈性他們並沒有要求要全程都要開機錄影\n\n18\n00:06:46,588 --> 00:07:12,573\n那台鐵這邊是不是要再重新討論對包委員就是因為每個單位每個同仁他的工作的性質是不一樣那台鐵是我們的同仁比如說我們列車廠在列車執勤的時候他是全部的執勤過程中都有可能會碰到旅客有一些這個不當的行為可是我們常常看到新聞畫面其實很多衝突都是由其他乘客來做側拍\n\n19\n00:07:13,593 --> 00:07:37,067\n那如果今天就是我們講到第一線的員工他們在執勤的時候如果遇到突發狀況他們身上至少有這個密錄器可以隨時按下然後做記錄那也是一個衝突事件的就可以拿來作為證據那為什麼台鐵一定要硬性規定要全程都必須要錄影那這樣子他們他臨時要去上廁所的時候他也不能關閉這樣是不是違反你們的規定\n\n20\n00:07:38,087 --> 00:08:05,667\n對我們可以針對這一塊就是說真正有涉及到他的飲食不便的部分我們可以來做討論但我們還是希望說既然已經有公發密錄器希望在他執行的過程中都能夠把他相關的一些影像能夠記錄起來那也方便事後可以做這個相關一些責任的釐清那也可以作為相關單位查證的一個參考依據這樣才是保護才能夠有效的保護我們的第一線同仁\n\n21\n00:08:06,417 --> 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