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00:00:48,702\n我們都在坐火車的時候都會宣導說這個自強號不能持電子票證的人不能上車但是我坐起來之後我發現站的人一大堆我們的列車長在那裡順便順氣視若無睹\n\n4\n00:00:51,545 --> 00:01:20,052\n造成很多人的位置被坐了就要被撐起來發生很多的爭執這確實是有很多的案件發生那針對這個問題我們公司怎麼做處理請董事長回答我就簡單補充一下這部分當然之前有提到這個問題那現在我們現在政策是這樣子除了PP可以用電子票證其他大概目前都還沒有那電子票證本來是可以到70公里現在我們要一直把它縮短到50公里\n\n5\n00:01:21,138 --> 00:01:35,892\n就是你50公里以內也可以上去超過就不行這是為了讓這個剛剛講的有座位的人不要覺得那麼擁擠服務能夠提升但是我覺得在管制裡面出現了問題啊事實上沒有拿到這個\n\n6\n00:01:37,775 --> 00:01:56,449\n我們的那個資本票正常的人趕快坐上去啊所以剛講就是現在把他收到我發現說我們自強號的原本是有講說你用電子變成用一卡通的人是不能上去的喔但我們發現還是有很多人上車但是以我過去我曾經因為這樣被罰\n\n7\n00:01:57,990 --> 00:02:10,645\n喔很多啦我就是被罰因為我實在來不及但是我做過一個就是對號然後就我想包含剛剛蔡委員提這個問題一定就是都有很多的乘客發現這樣的狀況我們應該要嚴加一個做稽查這部分\n\n8\n00:02:15,390 --> 00:02:44,278\n好那我想我們這個親民聯加也要特別感謝我們台鐵公司的同仁這個不辭心能見受崗位這個完成這個疏運的任務但是包含我們現在代理董事長跟總經理我們還是要提出這個對台鐵這個近幾年近一年來發生多起的事故的一個檢討那包含尤其現在從去年6月開始包含我們的花蓮潮州的基地還甚至我們基隆的七堵吊車站\n\n9\n00:02:45,578 --> 00:03:08,683\n發生了至少超過大概六起以上的一個事故那顯見我們台鐵公司在這個安全管理設施維護跟風險管理的部分還是有一些的螺絲鬆了這我想當初很多人也在問這個問題那包含我們每次委員會我們很多委員都一直在要求這個我們要這個上緊螺絲這個強化管理的部分那\n\n10\n00:03:10,723 --> 00:03:35,997\n董事長跟總經理到底我們針對這些事故我們怎麼做檢討怎麼樣做防範有沒有一個SOP的一個因應對策是我這個說明一下我們以這個剛講花蓮這個案子我用這個來做一個說明現在目前當然是大概鐵道局他在做調查那當然我們應援處台鐵公司應援處也在配合調查那我初步從那個現場去看起來是可能\n\n11\n00:03:37,642 --> 00:04:04,362\n跟那個木診會有點關係木診的部分那現在這個木診我們有一個所謂的軌道安全提升計畫我們現在大概針對所有戰場的木診的部分我們都在全面來開始來做把它汰換掉改為PC診這部分我們大概會在116全部都可以完成因為他為什麼這麼慢主要是因為平常他必須要調度我們沒有辦法去停止只能在他收班以後操班去做這個事情\n\n12\n00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:27,323\n所以他時間比較久但是現在是全面性的針對木診的部分全部要給他抽換為PC診這樣現在因為我們每天這個台鐵的運量還是非常的大既然我們找到原因知道原因我想還是要趕快來做處理要不然這個這麼多人這個生命產生安全每天都會受到威脅所以我想這個\n\n13\n00:04:28,464 --> 00:04:54,227\n因為每次聽到我們這個檢討之後那個更換的時間都很久了這次才是聽到人家膽戰心驚啦能不能加快施程這部分能不能有一個比較具體的一個施程進度因為我跟委員報告主要是因為他抽換PC診抽換那個木診主要是因為必須一定要收班因為不然平常他在調度所以會影響到他施程比較沒辦法快我想這部分我們再努力看看啦好不好\n\n14\n00:04:54,727 --> 00:05:20,095\n好那另外我還是要替我們屏東鄉親來請命那之前我有請我們我們台里公司的同仁到我辦公室針對我們屏東縣一個運輸的問題來做討論那因為我們發現這過去那上下班的時間事實上這個班次調度是沒有太大的問題但是因為有些區間跟區間塊的問題這個班次的調度出現很多的一個\n\n15\n00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:42,504\n異常造成我們這個上下班的同仁上下班的上班族還有通行的學生非常的不便那尤其我們很多這個我們屏東的公務人員他們早上要趕著到台北開會要趕九點的會他們必須五點多就要出門趕六點多的高鐵有時候坐不到就不會回來了\n\n16\n00:05:44,285 --> 00:05:52,372\n那依我們目前來看這個台鐵跟高鐵的這個班次的一個銜接上面還是有一些的落差這部分能不能來做檢討\n\n17\n00:05:54,433 --> 00:06:10,048\n銜接部分因為主要是這個我想我們可以來考慮看怎麼去把它更無縫接軌因為主要是路線的部分現在利用率已經到90.43%那中間車種太多了又要7000塊7000車都要的列車\n\n18\n00:06:14,532 --> 00:06:30,624\n影響實在是真的是比較複雜一點這部分我們要盡量來看可不可以先見秘境當然我知道你們就是有這樣的考量要有快車慢車要有調度的問題但是依我們看上下班上下學尖峰這個密度的部分能不能做有效的一個調整\n\n19\n00:06:31,365 --> 00:06:50,259\n好這個部分我想我們盡量能夠能在十分鐘內就剛講轉證的時間利用十分鐘內可以看可不可以來轉證這我們來努力好那另外除了班次調度我想屏東目前面臨最大問題就是我們這個屏東縣這個單軌的問題尤其我們目前潮州到南州還有林邊到枋寮\n\n20\n00:06:51,460 --> 00:07:11,472\n各地單軌運行所以台鐵的同仁跟我講說他們不是不幫忙是因為會受到調度的問題那這個說這個我們就很怕啦屏東縣真的是到目前為止還竟然還有單軌的一個軌道沒辦法通行那我之前有請楊局長這邊來做說明一下局長這部分能不能什麼時候來做改善\n\n21\n00:07:14,881 --> 00:07:28,687\n報告委員這個我們放在那個南回現行改善這個案子裡面在做處理現在可能性研究已經報到行政院在做最後的這個審查計劃那這部分還是要加快進度因為我們還是有很多的這個需求能夠希望這個強化這個大眾運輸的一個能力\n\n22\n00:07:31,528 --> 00:07:56,986\n那最後那個次郎我想當然你現在目前待遇啦那之前在杜董事長的任內我們有跟他談到所謂一個產學合作尤其我們現在我們屏東有潮州基地那我們希望未來能夠結合我們在地的高中職甚至大學做一個產學合作幫我們屏東的孩子能夠在地升學在地就業也幫我們留住人才這部分能不能再強化一下\n\n23\n00:07:58,071 --> 00:08:19,016\n這應該可以啊這沒問題這包委員我們有在進行持續在跟那另外一個這個我還是要幫我們這個台鐵上班的屏東子弟請命現在很多還在東部還在北部服務調不回來是因為我們的招考的部分一直不順利那我們之前幾位委員一直在提我們如果現行的招聘的\n\n24\n00:08:19,676 --> 00:08:34,201\n的條件跟薪資不提升的話我相信這救不了人啦那第二個很多很多現在結婚的也因為這樣的因素都選擇要離開台鐵我覺得這個是很悲哀的一件事情這能不能有效的一個做調整\n\n25\n00:08:35,149 --> 00:09:00,050\n這我跟委員報告,剛提到的薪資的部分,其實我們現在最近在根部那邊爭取幾個預算,就包括危險加急、偏遠地區加急還有一點費所以目前都已經報了部,那目前正在密切溝通,我們期盼應該會很快可以下來如果就下來以後,大概最多可以多到八千塊左右\n\n26\n00:09:01,051 --> 00:09:14,685\n是啦我們也希望台鐵是一個幸福的企業那能怎麼樣留住人才留住這個讓我們鄉親能夠願意在這個台鐵公司繼續做長遠的服務應該要有對策也要有一個好的方案是這我們來努力好謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2490\t8594\t謝謝主席 有請我們吳次長 請次長還有我們台鐵公司 方總經理還有董總經理 方總經理委員好\n18076\t28623\t市長總經理我想我也是我們貴公司最忠實的客戶之一我也是常常搭火車去轉高鐵來台北開會剛剛我們陳宜昌委員提的問題我就是現場的目擊者\n36008\t48702\t我們都在坐火車的時候都會宣導說這個自強號不能持電子票證的人不能上車但是我坐起來之後我發現站的人一大堆我們的列車長在那裡順便順氣 視若無睹\n51545\t80052\t造成很多人的位置被坐了就要被撐起來發生很多的爭執這確實是有很多的案件發生那針對這個問題我們公司怎麼做處理請董事長回答我就簡單補充一下這部分當然之前有提到這個問題那現在我們現在政策是這樣子除了PP可以用電子票證其他大概目前都還沒有那電子票證本來是可以到70公里現在我們要一直把它縮短到50公里\n81138\t95892\t就是你50公里以內也可以上去超過就不行這是為了讓這個剛剛講的有座位的人不要覺得那麼擁擠服務能夠提升但是我覺得在管制裡面出現了問題啊事實上沒有拿到這個\n97775\t116449\t我們的那個資本票正常的人趕快坐上去啊所以剛講就是現在把他收到我發現說我們自強號的原本是有講說你用電子變成用一卡通的人是不能上去的喔但我們發現還是有很多人上車但是以我過去我曾經因為這樣被罰\n117990\t130645\t喔 很多啦 我就是被罰因為我實在來不及 但是我做過一個就是對號 然後就我想包含剛剛蔡委員提這個問題一定就是都有很多的乘客發現這樣的狀況我們應該要嚴加一個做稽查這部分\n135390\t164278\t好 那我想我們這個親民聯加也要特別感謝我們台鐵公司的同仁這個不辭心 能見受崗位這個完成這個疏運的任務但是包含我們現在代理董事長跟總經理我們還是要提出這個對台鐵這個近幾年 近一年來發生多起的事故的一個檢討那包含尤其現在從去年6月開始包含我們的花蓮 潮州的基地還甚至我們基隆的七堵吊車站\n165578\t188683\t發生了至少超過大概六起以上的一個事故那顯見我們台鐵公司在這個安全管理設施維護跟風險管理的部分還是有一些的螺絲鬆了這我想當初很多人也在問這個問題那包含我們每次委員會我們很多委員都一直在要求這個我們要這個上緊螺絲這個強化管理的部分那\n190723\t215997\t董事長跟總經理到底我們針對這些事故我們怎麼做檢討 怎麼樣做防範有沒有一個SOP的一個因應對策是 我這個說明一下我們以這個剛講花蓮這個案子我用這個來做一個說明現在目前當然是大概鐵道局他在做調查那當然我們應援處台鐵公司應援處也在配合調查那我初步從那個現場去看起來是可能\n217642\t244362\t跟那個木診會有點關係木診的部分那現在這個木診我們有一個所謂的軌道安全提升計畫我們現在大概針對所有戰場的木診的部分我們都在全面來開始來做把它汰換掉改為PC診這部分我們大概會在116全部都可以完成因為他為什麼這麼慢主要是因為平常他必須要調度我們沒有辦法去停止只能在他收班以後操班去做這個事情\n245203\t267323\t所以他時間比較久但是現在是全面性的針對木診的部分全部要給他抽換為PC診這樣現在因為我們每天這個台鐵的運量還是非常的大既然我們找到原因知道原因我想還是要趕快來做處理要不然這個這麼多人這個生命產生安全每天都會受到威脅所以我想這個\n268464\t294227\t因為每次聽到我們這個檢討之後那個更換的時間都很久了這次才是聽到人家膽戰心驚啦能不能加快施程這部分能不能有一個比較具體的一個施程進度因為我跟委員報告主要是因為他抽換PC診抽換那個木診主要是因為必須一定要收班因為不然平常他在調度所以會影響到他施程比較沒辦法快我想這部分我們再努力看看啦好不好\n294727\t320095\t好那另外我還是要替我們屏東鄉親來請命那之前我有請我們我們台里公司的同仁到我辦公室針對我們屏東縣一個運輸的問題來做討論那因為我們發現這過去那上下班的時間事實上這個班次調度是沒有太大的問題但是因為有些區間跟區間塊的問題這個班次的調度出現很多的一個\n321355\t342504\t異常造成我們這個上下班的同仁上下班的上班族還有通行的學生非常的不便那尤其我們很多這個我們屏東的公務人員他們早上要趕著到台北開會要趕九點的會他們必須五點多就要出門趕六點多的高鐵有時候坐不到就不會回來了\n344285\t352372\t那依我們目前來看這個台鐵跟高鐵的這個班次的一個銜接上面還是有一些的落差這部分能不能來做檢討\n354433\t370048\t銜接部分因為主要是這個我想我們可以來考慮看怎麼去把它更無縫接軌因為主要是路線的部分現在利用率已經到90.43%那中間車種太多了又要7000塊7000車都要的列車\n374532\t390624\t影響實在是真的是比較複雜一點這部分我們要盡量來看可不可以先見秘境當然我知道你們就是有這樣的考量要有快車慢車要有調度的問題但是依我們看上下班上下學尖峰這個密度的部分能不能做有效的一個調整\n391365\t410259\t好這個部分我想我們盡量能夠能在十分鐘內就剛講轉證的時間利用十分鐘內可以看可不可以來轉證這我們來努力好那另外除了班次調度我想屏東目前面臨最大問題就是我們這個屏東縣這個單軌的問題尤其我們目前潮州到南州還有林邊到枋寮\n411460\t431472\t各地單軌運行所以台鐵的同仁跟我講說他們不是不幫忙是因為會受到調度的問題那這個說這個我們就很怕啦屏東縣真的是到目前為止還竟然還有單軌的一個軌道沒辦法通行那我之前有請楊局長這邊來做說明一下局長這部分能不能什麼時候來做改善\n434881\t448687\t報告委員 這個我們放在那個南回現行改善這個案子裡面在做處理現在可能性研究已經報到行政院在做最後的這個審查計劃那這部分還是要加快進度因為我們還是有很多的這個需求能夠希望這個強化這個大眾運輸的一個能力\n451528\t476986\t那最後那個次郎我想當然你現在目前待遇啦那之前在杜董事長的任內我們有跟他談到所謂一個產學合作尤其我們現在我們屏東有潮州基地那我們希望未來能夠結合我們在地的高中職甚至大學做一個產學合作幫我們屏東的孩子能夠在地升學在地就業也幫我們留住人才這部分能不能再強化一下\n478071\t499016\t這應該可以啊 這沒問題這包委員我們有在進行持續在跟那另外一個這個我還是要幫我們這個台鐵上班的屏東子弟請命現在很多還在東部還在北部服務調不回來是因為我們的招考的部分一直不順利那我們之前幾位委員一直在提我們如果現行的招聘的\n499676\t514201\t的條件跟薪資不提升的話我相信這救不了人啦那第二個很多很多現在結婚的也因為這樣的因素都選擇要離開台鐵我覺得這個是很悲哀的一件事情這能不能有效的一個做調整\n515149\t540050\t這我跟委員報告,剛提到的薪資的部分,其實我們現在最近在根部那邊爭取幾個預算,就包括危險加急、偏遠地區加急還有一點費所以目前都已經報了部,那目前正在密切溝通,我們期盼應該會很快可以下來如果就下來以後,大概最多可以多到八千塊左右\n541051\t554685\t是啦 我們也希望台鐵是一個幸福的企業那能怎麼樣留住人才 留住這個讓我們鄉親能夠願意在這個台鐵公司繼續做長遠的服務應該要有對策 也要有一個好的方案是 這我們來努力好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們吳次長 請次長還有我們台鐵公司 方總經理還有董總經理 方總經理委員好\n市長總經理我想我也是我們貴公司最忠實的客戶之一我也是常常搭火車去轉高鐵來台北開會剛剛我們陳宜昌委員提的問題我就是現場的目擊者\n我們都在坐火車的時候都會宣導說這個自強號不能持電子票證的人不能上車但是我坐起來之後我發現站的人一大堆我們的列車長在那裡順便順氣 視若無睹\n造成很多人的位置被坐了就要被撐起來發生很多的爭執這確實是有很多的案件發生那針對這個問題我們公司怎麼做處理請董事長回答我就簡單補充一下這部分當然之前有提到這個問題那現在我們現在政策是這樣子除了PP可以用電子票證其他大概目前都還沒有那電子票證本來是可以到70公里現在我們要一直把它縮短到50公里\n就是你50公里以內也可以上去超過就不行這是為了讓這個剛剛講的有座位的人不要覺得那麼擁擠服務能夠提升但是我覺得在管制裡面出現了問題啊事實上沒有拿到這個\n我們的那個資本票正常的人趕快坐上去啊所以剛講就是現在把他收到我發現說我們自強號的原本是有講說你用電子變成用一卡通的人是不能上去的喔但我們發現還是有很多人上車但是以我過去我曾經因為這樣被罰\n喔 很多啦 我就是被罰因為我實在來不及 但是我做過一個就是對號 然後就我想包含剛剛蔡委員提這個問題一定就是都有很多的乘客發現這樣的狀況我們應該要嚴加一個做稽查這部分\n好 那我想我們這個親民聯加也要特別感謝我們台鐵公司的同仁這個不辭心 能見受崗位這個完成這個疏運的任務但是包含我們現在代理董事長跟總經理我們還是要提出這個對台鐵這個近幾年 近一年來發生多起的事故的一個檢討那包含尤其現在從去年6月開始包含我們的花蓮 潮州的基地還甚至我們基隆的七堵吊車站\n發生了至少超過大概六起以上的一個事故那顯見我們台鐵公司在這個安全管理設施維護跟風險管理的部分還是有一些的螺絲鬆了這我想當初很多人也在問這個問題那包含我們每次委員會我們很多委員都一直在要求這個我們要這個上緊螺絲這個強化管理的部分那\n董事長跟總經理到底我們針對這些事故我們怎麼做檢討 怎麼樣做防範有沒有一個SOP的一個因應對策是 我這個說明一下我們以這個剛講花蓮這個案子我用這個來做一個說明現在目前當然是大概鐵道局他在做調查那當然我們應援處台鐵公司應援處也在配合調查那我初步從那個現場去看起來是可能\n跟那個木診會有點關係木診的部分那現在這個木診我們有一個所謂的軌道安全提升計畫我們現在大概針對所有戰場的木診的部分我們都在全面來開始來做把它汰換掉改為PC診這部分我們大概會在116全部都可以完成因為他為什麼這麼慢主要是因為平常他必須要調度我們沒有辦法去停止只能在他收班以後操班去做這個事情\n所以他時間比較久但是現在是全面性的針對木診的部分全部要給他抽換為PC診這樣現在因為我們每天這個台鐵的運量還是非常的大既然我們找到原因知道原因我想還是要趕快來做處理要不然這個這麼多人這個生命產生安全每天都會受到威脅所以我想這個\n因為每次聽到我們這個檢討之後那個更換的時間都很久了這次才是聽到人家膽戰心驚啦能不能加快施程這部分能不能有一個比較具體的一個施程進度因為我跟委員報告主要是因為他抽換PC診抽換那個木診主要是因為必須一定要收班因為不然平常他在調度所以會影響到他施程比較沒辦法快我想這部分我們再努力看看啦好不好\n好那另外我還是要替我們屏東鄉親來請命那之前我有請我們我們台里公司的同仁到我辦公室針對我們屏東縣一個運輸的問題來做討論那因為我們發現這過去那上下班的時間事實上這個班次調度是沒有太大的問題但是因為有些區間跟區間塊的問題這個班次的調度出現很多的一個\n異常造成我們這個上下班的同仁上下班的上班族還有通行的學生非常的不便那尤其我們很多這個我們屏東的公務人員他們早上要趕著到台北開會要趕九點的會他們必須五點多就要出門趕六點多的高鐵有時候坐不到就不會回來了\n那依我們目前來看這個台鐵跟高鐵的這個班次的一個銜接上面還是有一些的落差這部分能不能來做檢討\n銜接部分因為主要是這個我想我們可以來考慮看怎麼去把它更無縫接軌因為主要是路線的部分現在利用率已經到90.43%那中間車種太多了又要7000塊7000車都要的列車\n影響實在是真的是比較複雜一點這部分我們要盡量來看可不可以先見秘境當然我知道你們就是有這樣的考量要有快車慢車要有調度的問題但是依我們看上下班上下學尖峰這個密度的部分能不能做有效的一個調整\n好這個部分我想我們盡量能夠能在十分鐘內就剛講轉證的時間利用十分鐘內可以看可不可以來轉證這我們來努力好那另外除了班次調度我想屏東目前面臨最大問題就是我們這個屏東縣這個單軌的問題尤其我們目前潮州到南州還有林邊到枋寮\n各地單軌運行所以台鐵的同仁跟我講說他們不是不幫忙是因為會受到調度的問題那這個說這個我們就很怕啦屏東縣真的是到目前為止還竟然還有單軌的一個軌道沒辦法通行那我之前有請楊局長這邊來做說明一下局長這部分能不能什麼時候來做改善\n報告委員 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