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00:02:03,660\n好署長好其實剛剛很多委員都有提到說大家在各個選區擔心自己相關的這個人行道的工程的計畫延宕或是停擺那我在這邊也要幫我的選區來請命因為其實我的選區剛好去年我也很努力爭取到了一個是我們高雄中央公園周邊的人行道的計畫\n\n7\n00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:27,603\n那另外一個是我們高雄火車站周邊也有整體人行計畫的改善那甚至我們到現場也都會刊了非常多次好不容易有了新的進度結果因為今年的這個預算大砍大山大洞然後導致剛剛舊署長的意思聽起來是就算已經核定的也可能接下來走不下去是這個意思嗎\n\n8\n00:02:28,423 --> 00:02:49,744\n根本報告大概第一個就是在有關生活圈的部分有一些提案我們就會請他先暫緩因為我們在排那個每年的預算執行的時候會把執行中的優先那有些新提案的部分如果預算在執行過程當中的確排不進去我們會請他暫緩\n\n9\n00:02:50,945 --> 00:03:06,268\n那第二個大概就是前瞻的部分大概是衝擊最大因為很多縣市政府是把前瞻跟永續它是混合在提案的那這混合提案的話前瞻的部分沒有的話那可能連帶的一些案子也會受影響\n\n10\n00:03:08,523 --> 00:03:24,733\n謝謝署長的報告我聽完真的是要吐血了去年好不容易爭取到這個人行道的計畫對我們高雄市區的整個行人的改善非常非常之重要再加上去年上半年好不容易我們內政委員會通過了一個行人設施條例也順利三讀通過了\n\n11\n00:03:25,994 --> 00:03:36,422\n那所有全台灣的人民期待的是整個全台灣人行的計畫開始可以大動作的開始進行改善結果現在跟我說因為總預算被亂刪亂砍亂動導致我們原本的計畫必須停擺必須耽擱那這樣我們要怎麼對我們選民來交代呢\n\n12\n00:03:48,010 --> 00:04:00,647\n所以我是覺得非常遺憾啦再次還是要表達從去年下半年省預算到今年上半年的復議案再到現在我們要進行這個無關解凍實質與否的一個專案報告的討論都還是發現說\n\n13\n00:04:05,873 --> 00:04:19,960\n這個預算根本就是亂砍的啊對民眾來說不只沒有扶國利民而且禍國殃民我是覺得非常非常遺憾那我還是希望接下來有可以有盡快補救的措施包括說現在\n\n14\n00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,962\n因為我也知道說其實政院還有636億因為通刪要叫我們各個部會要自行刪減然後自行刪減之後才會確定到底刪了多少數字我們才有辦法進一步的討論怎麼送進立法院然後怎麼討論解凍這個就是現在因為亂砍預算然後沒有目的沒有章法的亂砍之後導致到已經今年已經到4月囉已經到4月了\n\n15\n00:04:49,253 --> 00:05:15,742\n還沒有辦法好好討論到底如何解凍這些預算這是我是覺得非常頭痛啊這件事情那也會很直接的影響到我們地方上的計畫那除了這兩個我們我的選區的計畫可能很可能受到影響之外我也還是要問一下啦因為其實我們還是很關心全台灣人行道的普及率那其實到目前為止我們全台灣市區的人行道普及率也只有38%\n\n16\n00:05:17,799 --> 00:05:37,198\n那這個就是為什麼我們去年上半年那麼急著要把人行行人設施條例通過是希望說接下來可以普及的快一點可是呢到目前為止以目前的缺口來說我大概算了一下如果以目前38%我們想要達到百分之百人行到普及還需要大概170年\n\n17\n00:05:39,734 --> 00:06:05,742\n以目前這個做法的進度下去啦還要170年我們全台灣的人行道才會讓大家在各個大街小巷都看到人行道普及那這是我這種很擔心說現在這種歸宿前進的建設進度到底要怎麼樣加快進度那當然預算的爭取是一個很重要的趕快立法院錢下來我們才有錢來加速的前進嘛\n\n18\n00:06:06,522 --> 00:06:32,786\n那還有沒有其他的方式是可不可以就是如果我們財政問題一直沒有辦法解決一直被被這樣子亂砍亂山之後我們到底還可以怎麼樣去改善呢根本報告其實因為在實體人行道的建設其實他是需要比較多的經費因為實體而且實體人行道他在過往當中以現有道路來講他要需要更多的溝通協調那但是標線型的\n\n19\n00:06:33,382 --> 00:06:49,217\n人行道當然是一個比較次要的那有時候也會民眾講說感覺上他需要更多的交通控制的手段來協助標線型人行道那相對成本是低但其實這兩個做法是可以混用但是呢\n\n20\n00:06:49,697 --> 00:07:11,532\n以經費不足的狀況下標籤型人行道跟小部分的入口改善是可以先行那這部分也是我們在另外在推相關計畫的時候會來盡力來協助地方政府達成而且標籤型人行道跟入口改善對地方政府來講財政的壓力是相對比較小這個我們同步也會協助地方政府來執行尤其在一些狹小巷弄\n\n21\n00:07:12,232 --> 00:07:37,265\n裡面這些都可以來做的這是我們同步可以來做但是如果希望大幅度的改善當然最終還是需要財政上的一個支持我想做這樣的報告好謝謝署長這個部分再麻煩你再督促我們各地方縣市政府如果大型的這種實體的人行道沒有第一時間因為錢下不去那是不是可以先讓他們先普遍的做這種簡易型的人行道呢是好謝謝署長好謝謝\n\n22\n00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,327\n好謝謝黃婕委員我再次跟委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1854\t15556\t好謝謝主席我想先問一下我們立法院的預算中心有代表在這邊可以回應一下嗎沒有沒有預算中心是他是基本上是運作的除非有特別的事情否則不會來備詢\n16750\t42658\t因為我看我們開會通知上面有針對這個副本都有請預算中心然後我們總務處 副本啊對啊對啊因為這今天的案子跟之後的解凍是有關係的啦所以應該是有一個複製的動作啦我的理解沒有錯的話應該是這樣但是不表示他會來備詢啦今天也沒有要處理解凍案嘛因為我剛剛有講過嘛這個程序是行政院提出來之後 復委之後我們才能夠進行解凍的處理但專報可以先走啦 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署長好其實剛剛很多委員都有提到說大家在各個選區擔心自己相關的這個人行道的工程的計畫延宕或是停擺那我在這邊也要幫我的選區來請命因為其實我的選區剛好去年我也很努力爭取到了一個是我們高雄中央公園周邊的人行道的計畫\n124500\t147603\t那另外一個是我們高雄火車站周邊也有整體人行計畫的改善那甚至我們到現場也都會刊了非常多次好不容易有了新的進度結果因為今年的這個預算大砍大山大洞然後導致剛剛舊署長的意思聽起來是就算已經核定的也可能接下來走不下去是這個意思嗎\n148423\t169744\t根本報告大概第一個就是在有關生活圈的部分有一些提案我們就會請他先暫緩因為我們在排那個每年的預算執行的時候會把執行中的優先那有些新提案的部分如果預算在執行過程當中的確排不進去我們會請他暫緩\n170945\t186268\t那第二個大概就是前瞻的部分大概是衝擊最大因為很多縣市政府是把前瞻跟永續它是混合在提案的那這混合提案的話前瞻的部分沒有的話那可能連帶的一些案子也會受影響\n188523\t204733\t謝謝署長的報告我聽完真的是要吐血了去年好不容易爭取到這個人行道的計畫對我們高雄市區的整個行人的改善非常非常之重要再加上去年上半年好不容易我們內政委員會通過了一個行人設施條例也順利三讀通過了\n205994\t216422\t那所有全台灣的人民期待的是整個全台灣人行的計畫開始可以大動作的開始進行改善結果現在跟我說因為總預算被亂刪亂砍亂動導致我們原本的計畫必須停擺必須耽擱那這樣我們要怎麼對我們選民來交代呢\n228010\t240647\t所以我是覺得非常遺憾啦再次還是要表達從去年下半年省預算到今年上半年的復議案再到現在我們要進行這個無關解凍實質與否的一個專案報告的討論都還是發現說\n245873\t259960\t這個預算根本就是亂砍的啊對民眾來說不只沒有扶國利民而且禍國殃民我是覺得非常非常遺憾那我還是希望接下來有可以有盡快補救的措施包括說現在\n260760\t263962\t因為我也知道說其實政院還有636億因為通刪要叫我們各個部會要自行刪減然後自行刪減之後才會確定到底刪了多少數字我們才有辦法進一步的討論怎麼送進立法院然後怎麼討論解凍這個就是現在因為亂砍預算然後沒有目的沒有章法的亂砍之後導致到已經今年已經到4月囉已經到4月了\n289253\t315742\t還沒有辦法好好討論到底如何解凍這些預算這是我是覺得非常頭痛啊這件事情那也會很直接的影響到我們地方上的計畫那除了這兩個我們我的選區的計畫可能很可能受到影響之外我也還是要問一下啦因為其實我們還是很關心全台灣人行道的普及率那其實到目前為止我們全台灣市區的人行道普及率也只有38%\n317799\t337198\t那這個就是為什麼我們去年上半年那麼急著要把人行行人設施條例通過是希望說接下來可以普及的快一點可是呢到目前為止以目前的缺口來說我大概算了一下如果以目前38%我們想要達到百分之百人行到普及還需要大概170年\n339734\t365742\t以目前這個做法的進度下去啦還要170年我們全台灣的人行道才會讓大家在各個大街小巷都看到人行道普及那這是我這種很擔心說現在這種歸宿前進的建設進度到底要怎麼樣加快進度那當然預算的爭取是一個很重要的趕快立法院錢下來我們才有錢來加速的前進嘛\n366522\t392786\t那還有沒有其他的方式是可不可以就是如果我們財政問題一直沒有辦法解決一直被被這樣子亂砍亂山之後我們到底還可以怎麼樣去改善呢根本報告其實因為在實體人行道的建設其實他是需要比較多的經費因為實體而且實體人行道他在過往當中以現有道路來講他要需要更多的溝通協調那但是標線型的\n393382\t409217\t人行道當然是一個比較次要的那有時候也會民眾講說感覺上他需要更多的交通控制的手段來協助標線型人行道那相對成本是低但其實這兩個做法是可以混用但是呢\n409697\t431532\t以經費不足的狀況下標籤型人行道跟小部分的入口改善是可以先行那這部分也是我們在另外在推相關計畫的時候會來盡力來協助地方政府達成而且標籤型人行道跟入口改善對地方政府來講財政的壓力是相對比較小這個我們同步也會協助地方政府來執行尤其在一些狹小巷弄\n432232\t457265\t裡面這些都可以來做的這是我們同步可以來做但是如果希望大幅度的改善當然最終還是需要財政上的一個支持我想做這樣的報告好 謝謝署長這個部分再麻煩你再督促我們各地方縣市政府如果大型的這種實體的人行道沒有 第一時間因為錢下不去那是不是可以先讓他們先普遍的做這種簡易型的人行道呢是好 謝謝署長好 謝謝\n462880\t464327\t好謝謝黃婕委員我再次跟委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我想先問一下我們立法院的預算中心有代表在這邊可以回應一下嗎沒有沒有預算中心是他是基本上是運作的除非有特別的事情否則不會來備詢\n因為我看我們開會通知上面有針對這個副本都有請預算中心然後我們總務處 副本啊對啊對啊因為這今天的案子跟之後的解凍是有關係的啦所以應該是有一個複製的動作啦我的理解沒有錯的話應該是這樣但是不表示他會來備詢啦今天也沒有要處理解凍案嘛因為我剛剛有講過嘛這個程序是行政院提出來之後 復委之後我們才能夠進行解凍的處理但專報可以先走啦 好不好\n這就是我的疑惑因為今天這個排這個專案報告會變成說我們在這邊不太知道用意為何既然不是要針對這個預算的內容進行解凍的討論那我們在這邊是不是有一點浪費時間呢所以呢我會覺得說大家如果早知道說這個\n解凍就是有一定的程序那立法院過去的程序也都是必須要先由院會交付下來進到委員會我們才可以走這樣的解凍程序那我們在這邊竟然沒有辦法討論實質的解凍與否那在這邊討論這個專案報告\n好像沒有任何實質的意義也沒有任何效益所以我是覺得說之後是不是就是不要這樣浪費時間了對所有的委員也不是很尊重啦那我們是不是先請那個國土署署長來吳署長有請\n好 署長好其實剛剛很多委員都有提到說大家在各個選區擔心自己相關的這個人行道的工程的計畫延宕或是停擺那我在這邊也要幫我的選區來請命因為其實我的選區剛好去年我也很努力爭取到了一個是我們高雄中央公園周邊的人行道的計畫\n那另外一個是我們高雄火車站周邊也有整體人行計畫的改善那甚至我們到現場也都會刊了非常多次好不容易有了新的進度結果因為今年的這個預算大砍大山大洞然後導致剛剛舊署長的意思聽起來是就算已經核定的也可能接下來走不下去是這個意思嗎\n根本報告大概第一個就是在有關生活圈的部分有一些提案我們就會請他先暫緩因為我們在排那個每年的預算執行的時候會把執行中的優先那有些新提案的部分如果預算在執行過程當中的確排不進去我們會請他暫緩\n那第二個大概就是前瞻的部分大概是衝擊最大因為很多縣市政府是把前瞻跟永續它是混合在提案的那這混合提案的話前瞻的部分沒有的話那可能連帶的一些案子也會受影響\n謝謝署長的報告我聽完真的是要吐血了去年好不容易爭取到這個人行道的計畫對我們高雄市區的整個行人的改善非常非常之重要再加上去年上半年好不容易我們內政委員會通過了一個行人設施條例也順利三讀通過了\n那所有全台灣的人民期待的是整個全台灣人行的計畫開始可以大動作的開始進行改善結果現在跟我說因為總預算被亂刪亂砍亂動導致我們原本的計畫必須停擺必須耽擱那這樣我們要怎麼對我們選民來交代呢\n所以我是覺得非常遺憾啦再次還是要表達從去年下半年省預算到今年上半年的復議案再到現在我們要進行這個無關解凍實質與否的一個專案報告的討論都還是發現說\n這個預算根本就是亂砍的啊對民眾來說不只沒有扶國利民而且禍國殃民我是覺得非常非常遺憾那我還是希望接下來有可以有盡快補救的措施包括說現在\n因為我也知道說其實政院還有636億因為通刪要叫我們各個部會要自行刪減然後自行刪減之後才會確定到底刪了多少數字我們才有辦法進一步的討論怎麼送進立法院然後怎麼討論解凍這個就是現在因為亂砍預算然後沒有目的沒有章法的亂砍之後導致到已經今年已經到4月囉已經到4月了\n還沒有辦法好好討論到底如何解凍這些預算這是我是覺得非常頭痛啊這件事情那也會很直接的影響到我們地方上的計畫那除了這兩個我們我的選區的計畫可能很可能受到影響之外我也還是要問一下啦因為其實我們還是很關心全台灣人行道的普及率那其實到目前為止我們全台灣市區的人行道普及率也只有38%\n那這個就是為什麼我們去年上半年那麼急著要把人行行人設施條例通過是希望說接下來可以普及的快一點可是呢到目前為止以目前的缺口來說我大概算了一下如果以目前38%我們想要達到百分之百人行到普及還需要大概170年\n以目前這個做法的進度下去啦還要170年我們全台灣的人行道才會讓大家在各個大街小巷都看到人行道普及那這是我這種很擔心說現在這種歸宿前進的建設進度到底要怎麼樣加快進度那當然預算的爭取是一個很重要的趕快立法院錢下來我們才有錢來加速的前進嘛\n那還有沒有其他的方式是可不可以就是如果我們財政問題一直沒有辦法解決一直被被這樣子亂砍亂山之後我們到底還可以怎麼樣去改善呢根本報告其實因為在實體人行道的建設其實他是需要比較多的經費因為實體而且實體人行道他在過往當中以現有道路來講他要需要更多的溝通協調那但是標線型的\n人行道當然是一個比較次要的那有時候也會民眾講說感覺上他需要更多的交通控制的手段來協助標線型人行道那相對成本是低但其實這兩個做法是可以混用但是呢\n以經費不足的狀況下標籤型人行道跟小部分的入口改善是可以先行那這部分也是我們在另外在推相關計畫的時候會來盡力來協助地方政府達成而且標籤型人行道跟入口改善對地方政府來講財政的壓力是相對比較小這個我們同步也會協助地方政府來執行尤其在一些狹小巷弄\n裡面這些都可以來做的這是我們同步可以來做但是如果希望大幅度的改善當然最終還是需要財政上的一個支持我想做這樣的報告好 謝謝署長這個部分再麻煩你再督促我們各地方縣市政府如果大型的這種實體的人行道沒有 第一時間因為錢下不去那是不是可以先讓他們先普遍的做這種簡易型的人行道呢是好 謝謝署長好 謝謝\n好謝謝黃婕委員我再次跟委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.854 --> 00:15.556\n好謝謝主席我想先問一下我們立法院的預算中心有代表在這邊可以回應一下嗎沒有沒有預算中心是他是基本上是運作的除非有特別的事情否則不會來備詢\n\n00:16.750 --> 00:42.658\n因為我看我們開會通知上面有針對這個副本都有請預算中心然後我們總務處副本啊對啊對啊因為這今天的案子跟之後的解凍是有關係的啦所以應該是有一個複製的動作啦我的理解沒有錯的話應該是這樣但是不表示他會來備詢啦今天也沒有要處理解凍案嘛因為我剛剛有講過嘛這個程序是行政院提出來之後復委之後我們才能夠進行解凍的處理但專報可以先走啦好不好\n\n00:44.355 --> 01:01.587\n這就是我的疑惑因為今天這個排這個專案報告會變成說我們在這邊不太知道用意為何既然不是要針對這個預算的內容進行解凍的討論那我們在這邊是不是有一點浪費時間呢所以呢我會覺得說大家如果早知道說這個\n\n01:03.488 --> 01:14.334\n解凍就是有一定的程序那立法院過去的程序也都是必須要先由院會交付下來進到委員會我們才可以走這樣的解凍程序那我們在這邊竟然沒有辦法討論實質的解凍與否那在這邊討論這個專案報告\n\n01:19.756 --> 01:32.600\n好像沒有任何實質的意義也沒有任何效益所以我是覺得說之後是不是就是不要這樣浪費時間了對所有的委員也不是很尊重啦那我們是不是先請那個國土署署長來吳署長有請\n\n01:43.287 --> 02:03.660\n好署長好其實剛剛很多委員都有提到說大家在各個選區擔心自己相關的這個人行道的工程的計畫延宕或是停擺那我在這邊也要幫我的選區來請命因為其實我的選區剛好去年我也很努力爭取到了一個是我們高雄中央公園周邊的人行道的計畫\n\n02:04.500 --> 02:27.603\n那另外一個是我們高雄火車站周邊也有整體人行計畫的改善那甚至我們到現場也都會刊了非常多次好不容易有了新的進度結果因為今年的這個預算大砍大山大洞然後導致剛剛舊署長的意思聽起來是就算已經核定的也可能接下來走不下去是這個意思嗎\n\n02:28.423 --> 02:49.744\n根本報告大概第一個就是在有關生活圈的部分有一些提案我們就會請他先暫緩因為我們在排那個每年的預算執行的時候會把執行中的優先那有些新提案的部分如果預算在執行過程當中的確排不進去我們會請他暫緩\n\n02:50.945 --> 03:06.268\n那第二個大概就是前瞻的部分大概是衝擊最大因為很多縣市政府是把前瞻跟永續它是混合在提案的那這混合提案的話前瞻的部分沒有的話那可能連帶的一些案子也會受影響\n\n03:08.523 --> 03:24.733\n謝謝署長的報告我聽完真的是要吐血了去年好不容易爭取到這個人行道的計畫對我們高雄市區的整個行人的改善非常非常之重要再加上去年上半年好不容易我們內政委員會通過了一個行人設施條例也順利三讀通過了\n\n03:25.994 --> 03:36.422\n那所有全台灣的人民期待的是整個全台灣人行的計畫開始可以大動作的開始進行改善結果現在跟我說因為總預算被亂刪亂砍亂動導致我們原本的計畫必須停擺必須耽擱那這樣我們要怎麼對我們選民來交代呢\n\n03:48.010 --> 04:00.647\n所以我是覺得非常遺憾啦再次還是要表達從去年下半年省預算到今年上半年的復議案再到現在我們要進行這個無關解凍實質與否的一個專案報告的討論都還是發現說\n\n04:05.873 --> 04:19.960\n這個預算根本就是亂砍的啊對民眾來說不只沒有扶國利民而且禍國殃民我是覺得非常非常遺憾那我還是希望接下來有可以有盡快補救的措施包括說現在\n\n04:20.760 --> 04:23.962\n因為我也知道說其實政院還有636億因為通刪要叫我們各個部會要自行刪減然後自行刪減之後才會確定到底刪了多少數字我們才有辦法進一步的討論怎麼送進立法院然後怎麼討論解凍這個就是現在因為亂砍預算然後沒有目的沒有章法的亂砍之後導致到已經今年已經到4月囉已經到4月了\n\n04:49.253 --> 05:15.742\n還沒有辦法好好討論到底如何解凍這些預算這是我是覺得非常頭痛啊這件事情那也會很直接的影響到我們地方上的計畫那除了這兩個我們我的選區的計畫可能很可能受到影響之外我也還是要問一下啦因為其實我們還是很關心全台灣人行道的普及率那其實到目前為止我們全台灣市區的人行道普及率也只有38%\n\n05:17.799 --> 05:37.198\n那這個就是為什麼我們去年上半年那麼急著要把人行行人設施條例通過是希望說接下來可以普及的快一點可是呢到目前為止以目前的缺口來說我大概算了一下如果以目前38%我們想要達到百分之百人行到普及還需要大概170年\n\n05:39.734 --> 06:05.742\n以目前這個做法的進度下去啦還要170年我們全台灣的人行道才會讓大家在各個大街小巷都看到人行道普及那這是我這種很擔心說現在這種歸宿前進的建設進度到底要怎麼樣加快進度那當然預算的爭取是一個很重要的趕快立法院錢下來我們才有錢來加速的前進嘛\n\n06:06.522 --> 06:32.786\n那還有沒有其他的方式是可不可以就是如果我們財政問題一直沒有辦法解決一直被被這樣子亂砍亂山之後我們到底還可以怎麼樣去改善呢根本報告其實因為在實體人行道的建設其實他是需要比較多的經費因為實體而且實體人行道他在過往當中以現有道路來講他要需要更多的溝通協調那但是標線型的\n\n06:33.382 --> 06:49.217\n人行道當然是一個比較次要的那有時候也會民眾講說感覺上他需要更多的交通控制的手段來協助標線型人行道那相對成本是低但其實這兩個做法是可以混用但是呢\n\n06:49.697 --> 07:11.532\n以經費不足的狀況下標籤型人行道跟小部分的入口改善是可以先行那這部分也是我們在另外在推相關計畫的時候會來盡力來協助地方政府達成而且標籤型人行道跟入口改善對地方政府來講財政的壓力是相對比較小這個我們同步也會協助地方政府來執行尤其在一些狹小巷弄\n\n07:12.232 --> 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