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00:02:04,180\n表示內政委員會都不夠專業沒有提出他的案子沒有像他想的這麼周延所以我們就花時間在內政委員會來討論這個案子可是我們看看這個案子你看前面在講的說他是要來討論這一幕生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫那下面是什麼他下面是說因為內政不好在提升道路品質計畫這個項目做得不好所以第三段\n\n8\n00:02:26,992 --> 00:02:32,437\n原動結該預算這兩個計畫好像不太一樣部長我想請問你一下您剛剛在部長你提出的今天的這一份專案報告裡面第一題就破題很清楚的告訴大家本業務業管道路建設相關議題有什麼有哪三項部長可以請你簡單說你貴部\n\n9\n00:02:53,634 --> 00:03:18,305\n業管道路建設相關議題有哪三項各自代表的事重點是哪一些嗎是我先跟委員報告一下只要簡答就好了在委員的書面報告裡面確實講得非常的清楚就是我們現在所要辦理的這個事項應該不是只有剛剛你所提到這個由這個台灣民眾黨所提的這個部分而且這些幾乎都是法定的預算\n\n10\n00:03:19,125 --> 00:03:25,547\n是啊你這邊就很清楚的寫嘛第一大段就寫了本部的夜館道路建設相關議題有生活圈道路交通系統建設這個主要是在打通打通我們道路的瓶頸耶然後在造橋鋪路這樣的部分那它可能有市區的部分沒有錯但是打通瓶頸造橋鋪路好第二個呢我們有永續提升人行安全計畫第三個我們提升道路品質計畫\n\n11\n00:03:46,733 --> 00:03:51,237\n結果剛剛的這份提案是在講提升道路品質提案做得不好所以我來凍結這個我們打通瓶頸的道路交通系統計畫請問這到底是哪一門子的提案我們為什麼花時間在處理這種提案我真的是不太理解啦好啦\n\n12\n00:04:05,407 --> 00:04:17,755\n所以我先用這個運算案回應一下剛剛主席這樣說我覺得主席真的辛苦啦但是這個部分剛剛第一位質詢的委員他看起來也對部會的報告相當不滿意所以到時候\n\n13\n00:04:22,018 --> 00:04:49,916\n預算到底要不要解凍啊因為他剛剛不滿意啊那這樣結論到底是什麼到底到時候如果院會交下來了以後到底是要解還是不要解所以我想表示的是我們當然想解凍啊可是這整個問題就是今天的立法院完全亂的套啦完全亂的套啦你提預算審查的這個案子可以不在委員會直接提出不在委員會提出直接到院會去提提的案子又是叫A和B倒來倒去不知道到底哪裡去好\n\n14\n00:04:51,497 --> 00:05:13,030\n然後最後現在來質詢的速度院會根本還沒有交辦下來我們今天到底在處理什麼亂了套一切都亂了套好所以我要從我的PPT這一頁開始接起來來啦公務預算亂山亂洞錢在預算根本不管因為大家也覺得很好笑對不對我也覺得蠻好笑的因為我也不曉得要怎麼接了\n\n15\n00:05:14,594 --> 00:05:37,937\n我要來看看這個我們公務預算亂扇亂動公務預算來部長我自己看到這一次國土署的這個預算被煽動應該是有這四項吧這四項都是跟民生計畫相關的目前可以看得到煽動金額大概是有這些狀況這沒有錯嘛對不對生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫汐止的白袍無色宅租屋補貼業務費\n\n16\n00:05:39,458 --> 00:06:06,858\n這四項沒有問題吧對不對都是有受到影響的很清楚嘛來我想請問新北受到影響有多少有統計嗎新北現在案件有多少因為新北的部分大致上是在大概一個白跑虎大概就是最明確啦因為白跑虎的部分是1.241啦但事實上他還會涉及到更大因為後續的\n\n17\n00:06:07,932 --> 00:06:35,357\n周邊的這個建設我們也通知新北市政府都暫停了是啊秀宅都暫停了嘛那我最關心的我去年剛剛爭取到這個林口巴黎的105市道的這個部分是不是有受到影響因為我看到它也是在設備及投資這個也是在生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫裡面嘛對不對報告大概現在大概是因為105是剛開始的計畫對所以它還比較沒有用到錢但是現在的A3\n\n18\n00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:44,075\n現在A3就是他接過去的那一段就從林口市區接到105的那一段A3計畫道路的新闢工程就會受到影響對那已經直接受到影響直接受到影響影響什麼樣影響是不開工因為你剛剛有說我們工程不是去買東西我今天10個本來預算10個然後現在預算少一點我就買5個工程是整個就不能開標了\n\n19\n00:06:57,725 --> 00:07:18,321\n不是我們是要求他在進度上我們要控管就是他沒有辦法讓他執行太快因為我們錢付不出來所以本來可以執行速度會減慢是第二個就是像土城那個鼎福安居旁邊的那一個12米道路12米道路也是增加了一個喔那這樣的那我的櫻桃安居一定也會受到影響囉對櫻桃安居也受到影響\n\n20\n00:07:19,380 --> 00:07:43,934\n好喔那這個什麼時候可以這都是114年本來預計要的那我們現在都是給先執行中的所以可以看到嘛我們今天這樣子煽動預算下來最後受災的都是我們的民生計畫啊那我就不曉得現在這個解凍案到底要怎麼排怎麼速度是如何因為院會什麼時候要交下來根本不知道啊院會會說那是行政院沒有送出來啊\n\n21\n00:07:44,834 --> 00:08:09,537\n可是問題是你現在這個統三三成這個樣子數字到底要怎麼排根本現在也沒有人算得出來啊所以我還是再說一句一切都亂了套一切都亂了套這就是現在立法院的狀況啦但我們還是很希望如果內政部這邊可以多給院會給行政院多一點意見看怎麼配合的話當然我們是希望預算可以早一點解凍\n\n22\n00:08:10,458 --> 00:08:22,285\n因為該有的程序還是要有然後可以讓整個工程整個甚至國家恢復秩序我是覺得這樣是比較好啦好那最後呢那個謝謝部長跟署長我想請問一下交通部交通部的代表\n\n23\n00:08:25,714 --> 00:08:43,607\n公路局副局長林副局長我在去年4月的時候有跟其他委員共同舉辦了道路交通工程改善公聽會我在公聽會上的時候就有講出我覺得要改善交通環境其實有很大的重點就是我們可以從工程面直接來改善\n\n24\n00:08:44,728 --> 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租屋補貼業務費\n339458\t366858\t這四項沒有問題吧對不對都是有受到影響的很清楚嘛來我想請問新北受到影響有多少有統計嗎新北現在案件有多少因為新北的部分大致上是在大概一個白跑虎大概就是最明確啦因為白跑虎的部分是1.241啦但事實上他還會涉及到更大因為後續的\n367932\t395357\t周邊的這個建設我們也通知新北市政府都暫停了是啊 秀宅都暫停了嘛那我最關心的我去年剛剛爭取到這個林口巴黎的105市道的這個部分是不是有受到影響因為我看到它也是在設備及投資這個也是在生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫裡面嘛對不對報告大概現在大概是因為105是剛開始的計畫對所以它還比較沒有用到錢但是現在的A3\n396730\t404075\t現在A3就是他接過去的那一段就從林口市區接到105的那一段A3計畫道路的新闢工程就會受到影響對那已經直接受到影響直接受到影響影響什麼樣影響是不開工因為你剛剛有說我們工程不是去買東西我今天10個本來預算10個然後現在預算少一點我就買5個工程是整個就不能開標了\n417725\t438321\t不是我們是要求他在進度上我們要控管就是他沒有辦法讓他執行太快因為我們錢付不出來所以本來可以執行速度會減慢是第二個就是像土城那個鼎福安居旁邊的那一個12米道路12米道路也是增加了一個喔那這樣的那我的櫻桃安居一定也會受到影響囉對櫻桃安居也受到影響\n439380\t463934\t好喔那這個什麼時候可以這都是114年本來預計要的那我們現在都是給先執行中的所以可以看到嘛我們今天這樣子煽動預算下來最後受災的都是我們的民生計畫啊那我就不曉得現在這個解凍案到底要怎麼排怎麼速度是如何因為院會什麼時候要交下來根本不知道啊院會會說那是行政院沒有送出來啊\n464834\t489537\t可是問題是你現在這個統三三成這個樣子數字到底要怎麼排根本現在也沒有人算得出來啊所以我還是再說一句一切都亂了套一切都亂了套這就是現在立法院的狀況啦但我們還是很希望如果內政部這邊可以多給院會給行政院多一點意見看怎麼配合的話當然我們是希望預算可以早一點解凍\n490458\t502285\t因為該有的程序還是要有然後可以讓整個工程整個甚至國家恢復秩序我是覺得這樣是比較好啦好那最後呢那個謝謝部長跟署長我想請問一下交通部交通部的代表\n505714\t523607\t公路局副局長林副局長我在去年4月的時候有跟其他委員共同舉辦了道路交通工程改善公聽會我在公聽會上的時候就有講出我覺得要改善交通環境其實有很大的重點就是我們可以從工程面直接來改善\n524728\t546449\t對 同意嘛 沒有問題嘛 對不對剛剛其實劉部長也是這樣說嘛從工程面直接來改善交通環境所以我要求交通部要針對這個十年來喔只有修正過一次的交通工程規範來進行修正當時交通部在公定會上答應我兩個月要提出來啊從去年四月兩個月就是去年六月啊現在是\n547410\t559914\t又是四月了請問進度整體的交通工程的指引這個都已經發佈而且我們整個規劃都已經發佈在實施了已經發佈在實施了對那你為什麼跟委員辦公室溝通這麼差對啊你確定是已經修正實施你修正了哪一些國土三類五號已經正式發佈了\n570461\t581485\t那規範的部分在持續還是有的部分有的急迫了我們先有檢討那規範有些部分我們持續也都在檢討所以到底是修正完了沒有你修正了哪一些啊報告委員我們現在修正的大概有兩個規範第一個是交通工程規範第二是公路路線設計規範那這個我們有是啊這都是公聽會當時要求的那我們現在都逐步逐步就是配就是跟著\n598325\t605469\t有一些規範因為跟內政部國度署稍微有一點差異現在我們要把它融合在一起所以我們就相關的我覺得你們這樣的態度難怪當時會沒有辦法讓各界都接受因為連委員辦公室要表達的意見我也沒有參與到整整一年的狀況我這麼關心還開了公聽會結果你現在\n617857\t617877\t謝謝蘇姨\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請劉思芳劉部長劉部長\n部長好 在開始之前我們剛剛主席剛好在我上台之前講了這一段這個我也是想表示一下這個主席可能本身沒有提這個相關主席本身應該沒有提這一案的這個這一幕的預算案嘛\n可是事實上我們今天為什麼要花這麼多的時間在處理這一幕這一個專案報告甚至是討論是不是要解凍呢老實講喔就我們手上可以看到嘛就是這樣子的一個案子啊這個案子喔是\n這個國土署的第七款第二項第七目的第三在生活圈道路交通系統建設計劃跨號市區道路也就是今天的會議通知單上面發的這個所謂解凍案的這個部分名稱可是啊這個案子我們怎麼看左看右看這個案子沒有在委員會討論過啊\n這個案子是用黨團的名義直接送交到院會去啪一個就出現了然後就凍結了預算然後我們就必須今天內政委員會又要召開一個專案報告來討論是不是要解凍這一個預算\n好 那要解凍預算對 是要經過這些詢問沒有錯所以主席說程序上我們是加速了我覺得也是辛苦主席了因為這真的不是主席的意思不是主席個人提出的這是別的黨團提出的我想主席也是很委屈啊可是我們再細看這個黨團你說他如果提的內容很有道理那我們也就認了\n表示內政委員會都不夠專業沒有提出他的案子沒有像他想的這麼周延所以我們就花時間在內政委員會來討論這個案子可是我們看看這個案子你看前面在講的說他是要來討論這一幕生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫那下面是什麼他下面是說因為內政不好在提升道路品質計畫這個項目做得不好所以第三段\n原動結該預算這兩個計畫好像不太一樣部長我想請問你一下您剛剛在部長你提出的今天的這一份專案報告裡面第一題就破題很清楚的告訴大家本業務業管道路建設相關議題有什麼有哪三項部長可以請你簡單說你貴部\n業管道路建設相關議題有哪三項各自代表的事 重點是哪一些嗎是 我先跟委員報告一下只要簡答就好了在委員的書面報告裡面確實講得非常的清楚就是我們現在所要辦理的這個事項應該不是只有剛剛你所提到這個由這個台灣民眾黨所提的這個部分而且這些幾乎都是法定的預算\n是啊你這邊就很清楚的寫嘛第一大段就寫了本部的夜館道路建設相關議題有生活圈道路交通系統建設這個主要是在打通打通我們道路的瓶頸耶然後在造橋鋪路這樣的部分那它可能有市區的部分沒有錯但是打通瓶頸造橋鋪路好第二個呢我們有永續提升人行安全計畫第三個我們提升道路品質計畫\n結果剛剛的這份提案是在講提升道路品質提案做得不好所以我來凍結這個我們打通瓶頸的道路交通系統計畫請問這到底是哪一門子的提案我們為什麼花時間在處理這種提案我真的是不太理解啦好啦\n所以我先用這個運算案回應一下剛剛主席這樣說我覺得主席真的辛苦啦但是這個部分剛剛第一位質詢的委員他看起來也對部會的報告相當不滿意所以到時候\n預算到底要不要解凍啊因為他剛剛不滿意啊那這樣結論到底是什麼到底到時候如果院會交下來了以後到底是要解還是不要解所以我想表示的是我們當然想解凍啊可是這整個問題就是今天的立法院完全亂的套啦完全亂的套啦你提預算審查的這個案子可以不在委員會直接提出不在委員會提出直接到院會去提提的案子又是叫A和B倒來倒去不知道到底哪裡去好\n然後最後現在來質詢的速度 院會根本還沒有交辦下來我們今天到底在處理什麼亂了套 一切都亂了套好 所以我要從我的PPT這一頁開始接起來來啦 公務預算亂山亂洞 錢在預算根本不管因為 大家也覺得很好笑對不對我也覺得蠻好笑的 因為我也不曉得要怎麼接了\n我要來看看 這個我們公務預算亂扇亂動公務預算 來 部長我自己看到這一次國土署的這個預算被煽動應該是有這四項吧這四項都是跟民生計畫相關的目前可以看得到煽動金額大概是有這些狀況這沒有錯嘛 對不對生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫汐止的白袍無色宅 租屋補貼業務費\n這四項沒有問題吧對不對都是有受到影響的很清楚嘛來我想請問新北受到影響有多少有統計嗎新北現在案件有多少因為新北的部分大致上是在大概一個白跑虎大概就是最明確啦因為白跑虎的部分是1.241啦但事實上他還會涉及到更大因為後續的\n周邊的這個建設我們也通知新北市政府都暫停了是啊 秀宅都暫停了嘛那我最關心的我去年剛剛爭取到這個林口巴黎的105市道的這個部分是不是有受到影響因為我看到它也是在設備及投資這個也是在生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫裡面嘛對不對報告大概現在大概是因為105是剛開始的計畫對所以它還比較沒有用到錢但是現在的A3\n現在A3就是他接過去的那一段就從林口市區接到105的那一段A3計畫道路的新闢工程就會受到影響對那已經直接受到影響直接受到影響影響什麼樣影響是不開工因為你剛剛有說我們工程不是去買東西我今天10個本來預算10個然後現在預算少一點我就買5個工程是整個就不能開標了\n不是我們是要求他在進度上我們要控管就是他沒有辦法讓他執行太快因為我們錢付不出來所以本來可以執行速度會減慢是第二個就是像土城那個鼎福安居旁邊的那一個12米道路12米道路也是增加了一個喔那這樣的那我的櫻桃安居一定也會受到影響囉對櫻桃安居也受到影響\n好喔那這個什麼時候可以這都是114年本來預計要的那我們現在都是給先執行中的所以可以看到嘛我們今天這樣子煽動預算下來最後受災的都是我們的民生計畫啊那我就不曉得現在這個解凍案到底要怎麼排怎麼速度是如何因為院會什麼時候要交下來根本不知道啊院會會說那是行政院沒有送出來啊\n可是問題是你現在這個統三三成這個樣子數字到底要怎麼排根本現在也沒有人算得出來啊所以我還是再說一句一切都亂了套一切都亂了套這就是現在立法院的狀況啦但我們還是很希望如果內政部這邊可以多給院會給行政院多一點意見看怎麼配合的話當然我們是希望預算可以早一點解凍\n因為該有的程序還是要有然後可以讓整個工程整個甚至國家恢復秩序我是覺得這樣是比較好啦好那最後呢那個謝謝部長跟署長我想請問一下交通部交通部的代表\n公路局副局長林副局長我在去年4月的時候有跟其他委員共同舉辦了道路交通工程改善公聽會我在公聽會上的時候就有講出我覺得要改善交通環境其實有很大的重點就是我們可以從工程面直接來改善\n對 同意嘛 沒有問題嘛 對不對剛剛其實劉部長也是這樣說嘛從工程面直接來改善交通環境所以我要求交通部要針對這個十年來喔只有修正過一次的交通工程規範來進行修正當時交通部在公定會上答應我兩個月要提出來啊從去年四月兩個月就是去年六月啊現在是\n又是四月了請問進度整體的交通工程的指引這個都已經發佈而且我們整個規劃都已經發佈在實施了已經發佈在實施了對那你為什麼跟委員辦公室溝通這麼差對啊你確定是已經修正實施你修正了哪一些國土三類五號已經正式發佈了\n那規範的部分在持續還是有的部分有的急迫了我們先有檢討那規範有些部分我們持續也都在檢討所以到底是修正完了沒有你修正了哪一些啊報告委員我們現在修正的大概有兩個規範第一個是交通工程規範第二是公路路線設計規範那這個我們有是啊這都是公聽會當時要求的那我們現在都逐步逐步就是配就是跟著\n有一些規範因為跟內政部國度署稍微有一點差異現在我們要把它融合在一起所以我們就相關的我覺得你們這樣的態度難怪當時會沒有辦法讓各界都接受因為連委員辦公室要表達的意見我也沒有參與到整整一年的狀況我這麼關心還開了公聽會結果你現在\n謝謝蘇姨\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.519 --> 00:14.122\n好謝謝主席我們請劉思芳劉部長劉部長\n\n00:20.496 --> 00:33.953\n部長好在開始之前我們剛剛主席剛好在我上台之前講了這一段這個我也是想表示一下這個主席可能本身沒有提這個相關主席本身應該沒有提這一案的這個這一幕的預算案嘛\n\n00:37.757 --> 00:52.352\n可是事實上我們今天為什麼要花這麼多的時間在處理這一幕這一個專案報告甚至是討論是不是要解凍呢老實講喔就我們手上可以看到嘛就是這樣子的一個案子啊這個案子喔是\n\n00:55.734 --> 01:02.876\n這個國土署的第七款第二項第七目的第三在生活圈道路交通系統建設計劃跨號市區道路也就是今天的會議通知單上面發的這個所謂解凍案的這個部分名稱可是啊這個案子我們怎麼看左看右看這個案子沒有在委員會討論過啊\n\n01:16.900 --> 01:21.182\n這個案子是用黨團的名義直接送交到院會去啪一個就出現了然後就凍結了預算然後我們就必須今天內政委員會又要召開一個專案報告來討論是不是要解凍這一個預算\n\n01:34.927 --> 01:57.216\n好那要解凍預算對是要經過這些詢問沒有錯所以主席說程序上我們是加速了我覺得也是辛苦主席了因為這真的不是主席的意思不是主席個人提出的這是別的黨團提出的我想主席也是很委屈啊可是我們再細看這個黨團你說他如果提的內容很有道理那我們也就認了\n\n01:57.816 --> 02:04.180\n表示內政委員會都不夠專業沒有提出他的案子沒有像他想的這麼周延所以我們就花時間在內政委員會來討論這個案子可是我們看看這個案子你看前面在講的說他是要來討論這一幕生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫那下面是什麼他下面是說因為內政不好在提升道路品質計畫這個項目做得不好所以第三段\n\n02:26.992 --> 02:32.437\n原動結該預算這兩個計畫好像不太一樣部長我想請問你一下您剛剛在部長你提出的今天的這一份專案報告裡面第一題就破題很清楚的告訴大家本業務業管道路建設相關議題有什麼有哪三項部長可以請你簡單說你貴部\n\n02:53.634 --> 03:18.305\n業管道路建設相關議題有哪三項各自代表的事重點是哪一些嗎是我先跟委員報告一下只要簡答就好了在委員的書面報告裡面確實講得非常的清楚就是我們現在所要辦理的這個事項應該不是只有剛剛你所提到這個由這個台灣民眾黨所提的這個部分而且這些幾乎都是法定的預算\n\n03:19.125 --> 03:25.547\n是啊你這邊就很清楚的寫嘛第一大段就寫了本部的夜館道路建設相關議題有生活圈道路交通系統建設這個主要是在打通打通我們道路的瓶頸耶然後在造橋鋪路這樣的部分那它可能有市區的部分沒有錯但是打通瓶頸造橋鋪路好第二個呢我們有永續提升人行安全計畫第三個我們提升道路品質計畫\n\n03:46.733 --> 03:51.237\n結果剛剛的這份提案是在講提升道路品質提案做得不好所以我來凍結這個我們打通瓶頸的道路交通系統計畫請問這到底是哪一門子的提案我們為什麼花時間在處理這種提案我真的是不太理解啦好啦\n\n04:05.407 --> 04:17.755\n所以我先用這個運算案回應一下剛剛主席這樣說我覺得主席真的辛苦啦但是這個部分剛剛第一位質詢的委員他看起來也對部會的報告相當不滿意所以到時候\n\n04:22.018 --> 04:49.916\n預算到底要不要解凍啊因為他剛剛不滿意啊那這樣結論到底是什麼到底到時候如果院會交下來了以後到底是要解還是不要解所以我想表示的是我們當然想解凍啊可是這整個問題就是今天的立法院完全亂的套啦完全亂的套啦你提預算審查的這個案子可以不在委員會直接提出不在委員會提出直接到院會去提提的案子又是叫A和B倒來倒去不知道到底哪裡去好\n\n04:51.497 --> 05:13.030\n然後最後現在來質詢的速度院會根本還沒有交辦下來我們今天到底在處理什麼亂了套一切都亂了套好所以我要從我的PPT這一頁開始接起來來啦公務預算亂山亂洞錢在預算根本不管因為大家也覺得很好笑對不對我也覺得蠻好笑的因為我也不曉得要怎麼接了\n\n05:14.594 --> 05:37.937\n我要來看看這個我們公務預算亂扇亂動公務預算來部長我自己看到這一次國土署的這個預算被煽動應該是有這四項吧這四項都是跟民生計畫相關的目前可以看得到煽動金額大概是有這些狀況這沒有錯嘛對不對生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫汐止的白袍無色宅租屋補貼業務費\n\n05:39.458 --> 06:06.858\n這四項沒有問題吧對不對都是有受到影響的很清楚嘛來我想請問新北受到影響有多少有統計嗎新北現在案件有多少因為新北的部分大致上是在大概一個白跑虎大概就是最明確啦因為白跑虎的部分是1.241啦但事實上他還會涉及到更大因為後續的\n\n06:07.932 --> 06:35.357\n周邊的這個建設我們也通知新北市政府都暫停了是啊秀宅都暫停了嘛那我最關心的我去年剛剛爭取到這個林口巴黎的105市道的這個部分是不是有受到影響因為我看到它也是在設備及投資這個也是在生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫裡面嘛對不對報告大概現在大概是因為105是剛開始的計畫對所以它還比較沒有用到錢但是現在的A3\n\n06:36.730 --> 06:44.075\n現在A3就是他接過去的那一段就從林口市區接到105的那一段A3計畫道路的新闢工程就會受到影響對那已經直接受到影響直接受到影響影響什麼樣影響是不開工因為你剛剛有說我們工程不是去買東西我今天10個本來預算10個然後現在預算少一點我就買5個工程是整個就不能開標了\n\n06:57.725 --> 07:18.321\n不是我們是要求他在進度上我們要控管就是他沒有辦法讓他執行太快因為我們錢付不出來所以本來可以執行速度會減慢是第二個就是像土城那個鼎福安居旁邊的那一個12米道路12米道路也是增加了一個喔那這樣的那我的櫻桃安居一定也會受到影響囉對櫻桃安居也受到影響\n\n07:19.380 --> 07:43.934\n好喔那這個什麼時候可以這都是114年本來預計要的那我們現在都是給先執行中的所以可以看到嘛我們今天這樣子煽動預算下來最後受災的都是我們的民生計畫啊那我就不曉得現在這個解凍案到底要怎麼排怎麼速度是如何因為院會什麼時候要交下來根本不知道啊院會會說那是行政院沒有送出來啊\n\n07:44.834 --> 08:09.537\n可是問題是你現在這個統三三成這個樣子數字到底要怎麼排根本現在也沒有人算得出來啊所以我還是再說一句一切都亂了套一切都亂了套這就是現在立法院的狀況啦但我們還是很希望如果內政部這邊可以多給院會給行政院多一點意見看怎麼配合的話當然我們是希望預算可以早一點解凍\n\n08:10.458 --> 08:22.285\n因為該有的程序還是要有然後可以讓整個工程整個甚至國家恢復秩序我是覺得這樣是比較好啦好那最後呢那個謝謝部長跟署長我想請問一下交通部交通部的代表\n\n08:25.714 --> 08:43.607\n公路局副局長林副局長我在去年4月的時候有跟其他委員共同舉辦了道路交通工程改善公聽會我在公聽會上的時候就有講出我覺得要改善交通環境其實有很大的重點就是我們可以從工程面直接來改善\n\n08:44.728 --> 09:06.449\n對同意嘛沒有問題嘛對不對剛剛其實劉部長也是這樣說嘛從工程面直接來改善交通環境所以我要求交通部要針對這個十年來喔只有修正過一次的交通工程規範來進行修正當時交通部在公定會上答應我兩個月要提出來啊從去年四月兩個月就是去年六月啊現在是\n\n09:07.410 --> 09:19.914\n又是四月了請問進度整體的交通工程的指引這個都已經發佈而且我們整個規劃都已經發佈在實施了已經發佈在實施了對那你為什麼跟委員辦公室溝通這麼差對啊你確定是已經修正實施你修正了哪一些國土三類五號已經正式發佈了\n\n09:30.461 --> 09:41.485\n那規範的部分在持續還是有的部分有的急迫了我們先有檢討那規範有些部分我們持續也都在檢討所以到底是修正完了沒有你修正了哪一些啊報告委員我們現在修正的大概有兩個規範第一個是交通工程規範第二是公路路線設計規範那這個我們有是啊這都是公聽會當時要求的那我們現在都逐步逐步就是配就是跟著\n\n09:58.325 --> 10:05.469\n有一些規範因為跟內政部國度署稍微有一點差異現在我們要把它融合在一起所以我們就相關的我覺得你們這樣的態度難怪當時會沒有辦法讓各界都接受因為連委員辦公室要表達的意見我也沒有參與到整整一年的狀況我這麼關心還開了公聽會結果你現在\n\n10:17.857 --> 10:17.877\n謝謝蘇姨\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.519,"end":14.122,"text":"好謝謝主席我們請劉思芳劉部長劉部長"},{"start":20.496,"end":33.953,"text":"部長好 在開始之前我們剛剛主席剛好在我上台之前講了這一段這個我也是想表示一下這個主席可能本身沒有提這個相關主席本身應該沒有提這一案的這個這一幕的預算案嘛"},{"start":37.757,"end":52.352,"text":"可是事實上我們今天為什麼要花這麼多的時間在處理這一幕這一個專案報告甚至是討論是不是要解凍呢老實講喔就我們手上可以看到嘛就是這樣子的一個案子啊這個案子喔是"},{"start":55.734,"end":62.876,"text":"這個國土署的第七款第二項第七目的第三在生活圈道路交通系統建設計劃跨號市區道路也就是今天的會議通知單上面發的這個所謂解凍案的這個部分名稱可是啊這個案子我們怎麼看左看右看這個案子沒有在委員會討論過啊"},{"start":76.9,"end":81.182,"text":"這個案子是用黨團的名義直接送交到院會去啪一個就出現了然後就凍結了預算然後我們就必須今天內政委員會又要召開一個專案報告來討論是不是要解凍這一個預算"},{"start":94.927,"end":117.216,"text":"好 那要解凍預算對 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