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00:02:34,575\n在推動我們的政務馬英九政府之後102年的中央總預算被凍結是達到了10.06%馬政府依然一切都正常運作為什麼到了今天賴清德總統的時期我們預算被凍結4.06%中央政府說我們什麼都自愛難行我想這前後比較國人只有公平\n\n8\n00:02:35,296 --> 00:02:54,528\n那今天內政委員會邀請內政部跟交通部來進行市區道路品質改善計畫執行的效益跟檢討專題報告我主要就是針對國土署生活圈道路交通系統的建設計畫這個業務費的預算的凍結條件那本期這邊要先肯定我們內政委員會的劉許廷召委我們比內政部還要進展\n\n9\n00:02:55,649 --> 00:03:24,608\n還有我們內政委員我相信態度都一致就希望能夠趕快來報告我們盡快的來審議讓許多預算可以盡速來解凍執行我想部長你照理應該要請內政部各所屬機關趕快來準備解凍的報告我希望內政部之後能夠拿出更激情的作為態度那我們今天回到今天的主題就當初為什麼會有這一項預算的解凍案就是因為國土署沒有好好的監督地方政府執行社區的道路養護\n\n10\n00:03:25,629 --> 00:03:54,247\n我們明明知道有些地方政府執行不佳就不斷的給他預算給他經費造成政府部門的這個效率不彰甚至是惡性循環那更重要的這個執行效率不佳不是立法院說的這是審計部跟監察院的報告裡面都明明白白的指出有許多需要檢討的地方因此這個預算的凍結案是基於非常客觀的事實我希望內政部能夠盡快的檢討以提出改善的方案首先我們看到審計部在\n\n11\n00:03:54,907 --> 00:03:59,705\n中央對地方政府補助管考及執行情形的報告中指出\n\n12\n00:04:00,695 --> 00:04:26,515\n內政部國土管理署補助地方政府辦理提升道路品質計畫但是補助計畫的審核及修正作業未曾周延完工後效益指標未達原定目標獲得交通補助經費是地方政府連續多年考評成績不佳交通施工品質及完成後的效益欠佳影響整體計畫目標至達成\n\n13\n00:04:28,737 --> 00:04:52,325\n必須檢討改善這是審計部說的那審計部更舉了許多的例子像是你沒有落實審查或審查作業未經嚴謹導致部分的補助計劃核定之後地方機關的提報是做項目卻不是我們補助的項目的範圍如果這樣都可以補助代表我們中央的省的非常的善慢那還有對於我們部分的地方機關填報補助計劃\n\n14\n00:04:55,250 --> 00:05:04,401\n他完工之後的效益指標明明就沒有達到預期的目標中央也沒有督促檢討原因就給予他審核同意結案\n\n15\n00:05:06,083 --> 00:05:26,741\n這個對於連續多年數區道路的養護品質考核不佳的地方機關你有沒有作為之後我們來申請補助計畫的審核標準甚至還給予更多的經費補助我想請問這樣子如果有效的督促我們地方機關來改善那而且地方機關考核成績不佳的原因主要是因為交通\n\n16\n00:05:27,742 --> 00:05:45,263\n工程的施工品質還有完成後效益有待改善等等這個部分中央也沒有督促針對問題的正確點做通盤的檢討我想這樣要怎麼樣來發揮補助的成效我想每一分的預算都是人民的納稅錢這個代表中央也要好好\n\n17\n00:05:46,364 --> 00:06:07,262\n來督促這件事因為你沒有做好這件事代表你們沒有好好的善用人民的納稅錢我想不只如此去年12月10號監察院的林聖峰等監委又提出報告他發現國土組的生活區的道路計有補助計劃他這個計劃主要是以建設改善市區道路為主人行空間改善為輔\n\n18\n00:06:09,322 --> 00:06:32,218\n這個對於我們人行道路設計的改善的優先順序缺乏通盤的這個整體性的規劃機制任由各縣市自行來提補住案希望國土署能夠來改善這個是我們經常願提出的我想因此今天的預算解凍案我就希望內政部國土署及相關部會可以針對這些缺失好好的來審視自己\n\n19\n00:06:32,938 --> 00:06:50,026\n跟國人報告我們要怎麼改進而不是說自己做得有多好我本席絕對支持市區大陸品質改善以及友善人行環境的提升那對於報告中提出檢討的事項也希望內政部能夠盡快來做到要針對審計部跟檢察院的意見盡速來改善\n\n20\n00:06:50,566 --> 00:07:05,112\n我想今天的專案報告是一個好的開始我們再次呼籲我們劉部長好好的負起責任請內政部所屬機關盡快的來解凍報告我們盡速審議盡速的來執行那以上本期的資訊到這邊謝謝好謝謝黃建斌委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4105\t6976\t謝謝主席我們有請內政部六部長跟國土組的吳署長六部長吳署長有請\n13817\t41148\t委員好部長早部長大家都知道我們114年的中央政府總預算案在今年的1月21號就已經三讀通過那我們賴清德總統則是選擇在法定期限的最後時間也就是3月21日壓線公佈中間隔了整整的兩個月然而許多部會卻一直不斷地公開說總預算被凍結的金額有多少會造成許多政策之外難行\n42088\t63857\t結果我們現在看到的情況是明明有許多預算提出解凍報告就可以來解凍 競速來解凍但中央卻沒有看到任何一個部會送解凍報告甚至我們有媒體揭露說有些部會官員早就已經準備好報告但是長官還沒有下令 手掌受到壓力 不敢批核我想這明顯就是透過這個資訊影響到我們公務人員\n65834\t84863\t我想中央部會不提報告就算了我們許多部會的首長甚至還在民進黨大罷免的場合裡面大肆的造謠我想民眾的眼睛是血亮的部會裡不趕快送解凍報告一方面又說凍結預算的假消息我想這政府這樣子對整個行政效益是有問題會造成社會動盪\n89349\t117310\t立法院提出預算的凍結案這行之多年這就是因為發現中央政府在編列預算跟執行預算上有不周全的地方甚至監察院跟審計部也會提出來檢討所以才要求中央部會你要提出報告我們告訴全國人民我們的錢要怎麼花要怎麼改進而不是手裡拿著人民的納稅錢你愛怎麼花就怎麼花本席這邊要提供幾個客觀的數據我希望中央政府不要再做巨嬰了\n118499\t131772\t民國95年陳水扁總統執政的時候總預算的凍結比例高達13.24%那陳水扁總統怎麼做他就想盡辦法趕快跟我們立法院的在黨來做理性的溝通盡速來解決預算的凍結那\n134714\t154575\t在推動我們的政務馬英九政府之後102年的中央總預算被凍結是達到了10.06%馬政府依然一切都正常運作為什麼到了今天賴清德總統的時期我們預算被凍結4.06%中央政府說我們什麼都自愛難行我想這前後比較國人只有公平\n155296\t174528\t那今天內政委員會邀請內政部跟交通部來進行市區道路品質改善計畫執行的效益跟檢討專題報告我主要就是針對國土署生活圈道路交通系統的建設計畫這個業務費的預算的凍結條件那本期這邊要先肯定我們內政委員會的劉許廷召委我們比內政部還要進展\n175649\t204608\t還有我們內政委員我相信態度都一致就希望能夠趕快來報告我們盡快的來審議讓許多預算可以盡速來解凍執行我想部長你照理應該要請內政部各所屬機關趕快來準備解凍的報告我希望內政部之後能夠拿出更激情的作為態度那我們今天回到今天的主題就當初為什麼會有這一項預算的解凍案就是因為國土署沒有好好的監督地方政府執行社區的道路養護\n205629\t234247\t我們明明知道有些地方政府執行不佳就不斷的給他預算給他經費造成政府部門的這個效率不彰甚至是惡性循環那更重要的這個執行效率不佳不是立法院說的這是審計部跟監察院的報告裡面都明明白白的指出有許多需要檢討的地方因此這個預算的凍結案是基於非常客觀的事實我希望內政部能夠盡快的檢討以提出改善的方案首先我們看到審計部在\n234907\t239705\t中央對地方政府補助管考及執行情形的報告中指出\n240695\t266515\t內政部國土管理署補助地方政府辦理提升道路品質計畫但是補助計畫的審核及修正作業未曾周延完工後效益指標未達原定目標獲得交通補助經費是地方政府連續多年考評成績不佳交通施工品質及完成後的效益欠佳影響整體計畫目標至達成\n268737\t292325\t必須檢討改善這是審計部說的那審計部更舉了許多的例子像是你沒有落實審查或審查作業未經嚴謹導致部分的補助計劃核定之後地方機關的提報是做項目卻不是我們補助的項目的範圍如果這樣都可以補助代表我們中央的省的非常的善慢那還有對於我們部分的地方機關填報補助計劃\n295250\t304401\t他完工之後的效益指標明明就沒有達到預期的目標中央也沒有督促檢討原因就給予他審核同意結案\n306083\t326741\t這個對於連續多年數區道路的養護品質考核不佳的地方機關你有沒有作為之後我們來申請補助計畫的審核標準甚至還給予更多的經費補助我想請問這樣子如果有效的督促我們地方機關來改善那而且地方機關考核成績不佳的原因主要是因為交通\n327742\t345263\t工程的施工品質還有完成後效益有待改善等等這個部分中央也沒有督促針對問題的正確點做通盤的檢討我想這樣要怎麼樣來發揮補助的成效我想每一分的預算都是人民的納稅錢這個代表中央也要好好\n346364\t367262\t來督促這件事因為你沒有做好這件事代表你們沒有好好的善用人民的納稅錢我想不只如此去年12月10號監察院的林聖峰等監委又提出報告他發現國土組的生活區的道路計有補助計劃他這個計劃主要是以建設改善市區道路為主人行空間改善為輔\n369322\t392218\t這個對於我們人行道路設計的改善的優先順序缺乏通盤的這個整體性的規劃機制任由各縣市自行來提補住案希望國土署能夠來改善這個是我們經常願提出的我想因此今天的預算解凍案我就希望內政部國土署及相關部會可以針對這些缺失好好的來審視自己\n392938\t410026\t跟國人報告我們要怎麼改進而不是說自己做得有多好我本席絕對支持市區大陸品質改善以及友善人行環境的提升那對於報告中提出檢討的事項也希望內政部能夠盡快來做到要針對審計部跟檢察院的意見盡速來改善\n410566\t425112\t我想今天的專案報告是一個好的開始我們再次呼籲我們劉部長好好的負起責任請內政部所屬機關盡快的來解凍報告我們盡速審議 盡速的來執行那以上本期的資訊到這邊 謝謝好 謝謝黃建斌委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們有請內政部六部長跟國土組的吳署長六部長吳署長有請\n委員好部長早部長大家都知道我們114年的中央政府總預算案在今年的1月21號就已經三讀通過那我們賴清德總統則是選擇在法定期限的最後時間也就是3月21日壓線公佈中間隔了整整的兩個月然而許多部會卻一直不斷地公開說總預算被凍結的金額有多少會造成許多政策之外難行\n結果我們現在看到的情況是明明有許多預算提出解凍報告就可以來解凍 競速來解凍但中央卻沒有看到任何一個部會送解凍報告甚至我們有媒體揭露說有些部會官員早就已經準備好報告但是長官還沒有下令 手掌受到壓力 不敢批核我想這明顯就是透過這個資訊影響到我們公務人員\n我想中央部會不提報告就算了我們許多部會的首長甚至還在民進黨大罷免的場合裡面大肆的造謠我想民眾的眼睛是血亮的部會裡不趕快送解凍報告一方面又說凍結預算的假消息我想這政府這樣子對整個行政效益是有問題會造成社會動盪\n立法院提出預算的凍結案這行之多年這就是因為發現中央政府在編列預算跟執行預算上有不周全的地方甚至監察院跟審計部也會提出來檢討所以才要求中央部會你要提出報告我們告訴全國人民我們的錢要怎麼花要怎麼改進而不是手裡拿著人民的納稅錢你愛怎麼花就怎麼花本席這邊要提供幾個客觀的數據我希望中央政府不要再做巨嬰了\n民國95年陳水扁總統執政的時候總預算的凍結比例高達13.24%那陳水扁總統怎麼做他就想盡辦法趕快跟我們立法院的在黨來做理性的溝通盡速來解決預算的凍結那\n在推動我們的政務馬英九政府之後102年的中央總預算被凍結是達到了10.06%馬政府依然一切都正常運作為什麼到了今天賴清德總統的時期我們預算被凍結4.06%中央政府說我們什麼都自愛難行我想這前後比較國人只有公平\n那今天內政委員會邀請內政部跟交通部來進行市區道路品質改善計畫執行的效益跟檢討專題報告我主要就是針對國土署生活圈道路交通系統的建設計畫這個業務費的預算的凍結條件那本期這邊要先肯定我們內政委員會的劉許廷召委我們比內政部還要進展\n還有我們內政委員我相信態度都一致就希望能夠趕快來報告我們盡快的來審議讓許多預算可以盡速來解凍執行我想部長你照理應該要請內政部各所屬機關趕快來準備解凍的報告我希望內政部之後能夠拿出更激情的作為態度那我們今天回到今天的主題就當初為什麼會有這一項預算的解凍案就是因為國土署沒有好好的監督地方政府執行社區的道路養護\n我們明明知道有些地方政府執行不佳就不斷的給他預算給他經費造成政府部門的這個效率不彰甚至是惡性循環那更重要的這個執行效率不佳不是立法院說的這是審計部跟監察院的報告裡面都明明白白的指出有許多需要檢討的地方因此這個預算的凍結案是基於非常客觀的事實我希望內政部能夠盡快的檢討以提出改善的方案首先我們看到審計部在\n中央對地方政府補助管考及執行情形的報告中指出\n內政部國土管理署補助地方政府辦理提升道路品質計畫但是補助計畫的審核及修正作業未曾周延完工後效益指標未達原定目標獲得交通補助經費是地方政府連續多年考評成績不佳交通施工品質及完成後的效益欠佳影響整體計畫目標至達成\n必須檢討改善這是審計部說的那審計部更舉了許多的例子像是你沒有落實審查或審查作業未經嚴謹導致部分的補助計劃核定之後地方機關的提報是做項目卻不是我們補助的項目的範圍如果這樣都可以補助代表我們中央的省的非常的善慢那還有對於我們部分的地方機關填報補助計劃\n他完工之後的效益指標明明就沒有達到預期的目標中央也沒有督促檢討原因就給予他審核同意結案\n這個對於連續多年數區道路的養護品質考核不佳的地方機關你有沒有作為之後我們來申請補助計畫的審核標準甚至還給予更多的經費補助我想請問這樣子如果有效的督促我們地方機關來改善那而且地方機關考核成績不佳的原因主要是因為交通\n工程的施工品質還有完成後效益有待改善等等這個部分中央也沒有督促針對問題的正確點做通盤的檢討我想這樣要怎麼樣來發揮補助的成效我想每一分的預算都是人民的納稅錢這個代表中央也要好好\n來督促這件事因為你沒有做好這件事代表你們沒有好好的善用人民的納稅錢我想不只如此去年12月10號監察院的林聖峰等監委又提出報告他發現國土組的生活區的道路計有補助計劃他這個計劃主要是以建設改善市區道路為主人行空間改善為輔\n這個對於我們人行道路設計的改善的優先順序缺乏通盤的這個整體性的規劃機制任由各縣市自行來提補住案希望國土署能夠來改善這個是我們經常願提出的我想因此今天的預算解凍案我就希望內政部國土署及相關部會可以針對這些缺失好好的來審視自己\n跟國人報告我們要怎麼改進而不是說自己做得有多好我本席絕對支持市區大陸品質改善以及友善人行環境的提升那對於報告中提出檢討的事項也希望內政部能夠盡快來做到要針對審計部跟檢察院的意見盡速來改善\n我想今天的專案報告是一個好的開始我們再次呼籲我們劉部長好好的負起責任請內政部所屬機關盡快的來解凍報告我們盡速審議 盡速的來執行那以上本期的資訊到這邊 謝謝好 謝謝黃建斌委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.105 --> 00:06.976\n謝謝主席我們有請內政部六部長跟國土組的吳署長六部長吳署長有請\n\n00:13.817 --> 00:41.148\n委員好部長早部長大家都知道我們114年的中央政府總預算案在今年的1月21號就已經三讀通過那我們賴清德總統則是選擇在法定期限的最後時間也就是3月21日壓線公佈中間隔了整整的兩個月然而許多部會卻一直不斷地公開說總預算被凍結的金額有多少會造成許多政策之外難行\n\n00:42.088 --> 01:03.857\n結果我們現在看到的情況是明明有許多預算提出解凍報告就可以來解凍競速來解凍但中央卻沒有看到任何一個部會送解凍報告甚至我們有媒體揭露說有些部會官員早就已經準備好報告但是長官還沒有下令手掌受到壓力不敢批核我想這明顯就是透過這個資訊影響到我們公務人員\n\n01:05.834 --> 01:24.863\n我想中央部會不提報告就算了我們許多部會的首長甚至還在民進黨大罷免的場合裡面大肆的造謠我想民眾的眼睛是血亮的部會裡不趕快送解凍報告一方面又說凍結預算的假消息我想這政府這樣子對整個行政效益是有問題會造成社會動盪\n\n01:29.349 --> 01:57.310\n立法院提出預算的凍結案這行之多年這就是因為發現中央政府在編列預算跟執行預算上有不周全的地方甚至監察院跟審計部也會提出來檢討所以才要求中央部會你要提出報告我們告訴全國人民我們的錢要怎麼花要怎麼改進而不是手裡拿著人民的納稅錢你愛怎麼花就怎麼花本席這邊要提供幾個客觀的數據我希望中央政府不要再做巨嬰了\n\n01:58.499 --> 02:11.772\n民國95年陳水扁總統執政的時候總預算的凍結比例高達13.24%那陳水扁總統怎麼做他就想盡辦法趕快跟我們立法院的在黨來做理性的溝通盡速來解決預算的凍結那\n\n02:14.714 --> 02:34.575\n在推動我們的政務馬英九政府之後102年的中央總預算被凍結是達到了10.06%馬政府依然一切都正常運作為什麼到了今天賴清德總統的時期我們預算被凍結4.06%中央政府說我們什麼都自愛難行我想這前後比較國人只有公平\n\n02:35.296 --> 02:54.528\n那今天內政委員會邀請內政部跟交通部來進行市區道路品質改善計畫執行的效益跟檢討專題報告我主要就是針對國土署生活圈道路交通系統的建設計畫這個業務費的預算的凍結條件那本期這邊要先肯定我們內政委員會的劉許廷召委我們比內政部還要進展\n\n02:55.649 --> 03:24.608\n還有我們內政委員我相信態度都一致就希望能夠趕快來報告我們盡快的來審議讓許多預算可以盡速來解凍執行我想部長你照理應該要請內政部各所屬機關趕快來準備解凍的報告我希望內政部之後能夠拿出更激情的作為態度那我們今天回到今天的主題就當初為什麼會有這一項預算的解凍案就是因為國土署沒有好好的監督地方政府執行社區的道路養護\n\n03:25.629 --> 03:54.247\n我們明明知道有些地方政府執行不佳就不斷的給他預算給他經費造成政府部門的這個效率不彰甚至是惡性循環那更重要的這個執行效率不佳不是立法院說的這是審計部跟監察院的報告裡面都明明白白的指出有許多需要檢討的地方因此這個預算的凍結案是基於非常客觀的事實我希望內政部能夠盡快的檢討以提出改善的方案首先我們看到審計部在\n\n03:54.907 --> 03:59.705\n中央對地方政府補助管考及執行情形的報告中指出\n\n04:00.695 --> 04:26.515\n內政部國土管理署補助地方政府辦理提升道路品質計畫但是補助計畫的審核及修正作業未曾周延完工後效益指標未達原定目標獲得交通補助經費是地方政府連續多年考評成績不佳交通施工品質及完成後的效益欠佳影響整體計畫目標至達成\n\n04:28.737 --> 04:52.325\n必須檢討改善這是審計部說的那審計部更舉了許多的例子像是你沒有落實審查或審查作業未經嚴謹導致部分的補助計劃核定之後地方機關的提報是做項目卻不是我們補助的項目的範圍如果這樣都可以補助代表我們中央的省的非常的善慢那還有對於我們部分的地方機關填報補助計劃\n\n04:55.250 --> 05:04.401\n他完工之後的效益指標明明就沒有達到預期的目標中央也沒有督促檢討原因就給予他審核同意結案\n\n05:06.083 --> 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