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00:03:18,696\n好跟委員報告啦其實也感謝委員就是說了解我們生活圈對這個各縣市政府的重要性那現在來講的話因為剛剛有提到就是說因為院還有一個通山600多億的部分還沒有辦法分配完成這一個部分我們沒有辦法去做一個體驗的專案報告的一個通山是指山簡嘛對不對對好有沒有山簡這個部分到目前還沒有辦法確認不是生活圈道路\n\n8\n00:03:19,952 --> 00:03:49,161\n生活圈道路這個寫得很清楚喔凍結的條件凍結的理由凍結解凍的條件是就要把狀況報告送來啊跟刪減有什麼關係呢跟委員報告還是有關係你認為你想要刪嗎你想要自己刪嗎沒有跟委員報告因為這個還要到院這邊還有不一樣的刪減通刪是通刪對不對是要你行政院去調整是\n\n9\n00:03:50,120 --> 00:04:04,313\n1月到現在調整不出來通刪就是給你們一個機會而不是由立法院來決定通刪你們來刪多少比例就按照這個來去刪所以從1月20號假設1月20號立法院刪除通過到現在2月3月兩個多月了還無法\n\n10\n00:04:16,907 --> 00:04:40,683\n所以這個部分這不是理由解凍解凍案喔我了解我們都是事務官出身這種解凍案太多了我們經歷很多各種不同的政黨執政我們都是事務官嘛對不對所以這個解凍的條件非常清楚凍結多少也很清楚\n\n11\n00:04:41,448 --> 00:05:01,745\n不要去拿我們作為事務官我也曾經在陳水扁總統執政的時候對不對我做事務官常常要去說服政務官為了人民的權益不要受到政治的影響為什麼會認為說行政院會認為說因為這個通商、刪減到底多少\n\n12\n00:05:10,461 --> 00:05:35,360\n我們事務官很清楚就是因為柯建民總召韓國瑜院長在主持協商的時候就不協商我想就是因為這樣所以我才跟委員報告就是說因為通山的狀況不明所以我們也很難為\n\n13\n00:05:36,361 --> 00:05:49,036\n同山的狀況不明我們也很難為所以這跟解凍案不一樣是過去的解凍也很容易但是現在的解凍不容易尤其是涉及到人民潛意的部分我們看這個涉及到人民潛意的部分這個是\n\n14\n00:05:51,398 --> 00:06:18,618\n國土署在2月17號的一個新聞發布的新聞你們發布的新聞特別提到114年度國土管理業務預算414.67億用於持續推動300億中央擴大租金補貼專案社會住宅直接興建包租貸款等包括貸款利息補貼\n\n15\n00:06:20,633 --> 00:06:45,106\n目前召立法院凍結41.47億你的信封稿也是寫得很清楚是凍結41.47億沒有刪減喔所以呢你這邊也是提到啊這裡面呼籲請國會支持相關預算趕快解凍\n\n16\n00:06:46,491 --> 00:07:14,839\n所以現在我們作為事務官為了租金補貼為了社會住宅各方面要趕快把提出狀況報告的解凍報告趕快送來當然現在行政院下令不能送理由就是因為通山那個根本不是理由因為解凍條件非常非常的清楚而且\n\n17\n00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:23,012\n就算是怎麼樣也要去說服部長甚至要說服行政院\n\n18\n00:07:24,549 --> 00:07:47,827\n所以這個部分都不是理由跟委員報告租金補貼的解凍報告可能到時候還要跟大院再商量因為當時的解凍的理由是不滿國土計畫但是凍結了租金補貼還有其他項目我們都要去討論沒有關係就寫清楚所以到底是要就寫清楚所以這個部分時間的關係這個部分都還要跟大院這邊再討論因為這個部分的確也是我們很少見到的我們來看\n\n19\n00:07:55,953 --> 00:07:59,935\n凍結率我們看歷年的凍結率114年度是4.6%了曾經最高的是95年度13.24%\n\n20\n00:08:08,652 --> 00:08:33,129\n94年度12.71%102年度10.06%以歷年的凍結數來講4.6%104年度算是很低很低的所以那時候為什麼都可以就是大家要溝通大家要溝通而且我們事務官不要陷入\n\n21\n00:08:34,059 --> 00:09:01,536\n了解不要陷入政務官那種大罷免的那個原因要去製造這個部分我們不要陷入事務官不要陷入這個部分我們長期是事務官好剛才你有提到財政授之法案法你在別的委員的質詢的時候你有提到財政授之法案法財政授之法案法要修正是賴清德當市長的時候你那時候在台南市政府服務\n\n22\n00:09:02,725 --> 00:09:30,191\n然後那個賴清德總統當行政院院長的時候也提到要修財政收支劃分法要給地方更多的經費而終於完成了賴清德總統的願望完成了而這個財政收支劃分法我們國民黨的當初提案然後說得很清楚這個經費要從稅出剩餘\n\n23\n00:09:31,087 --> 00:09:53,444\n每年的幾千億的稅租增益然後超增稅收的每年的幾千億以113年度來講超增稅收5283億從這裡去支付這個三千多億的財產收入房給地方就足足有餘所以我們作為一個事務官\n\n24\n00:09:54,284 --> 00:10:23,023\n要想辦法爭取現在的預算繼續維持超徵的稅收稅計剩餘拿去給地方這個就是達成賴總統當行政院長的時候一個願望應該共同的支持所以這個時間的關係我們作為事務官要想辦法說服政務官好不好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝鄭天才委員的諮詢下一位高金素美委員改述\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9634\t29678\t主席 會委員 有請署長吳署長有請署長好 辛苦了今天內政部的報告裡面特別提到生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫總共這個111到113年度已經編列208.68億元\n40241\t51708\t歷年達成率達98%以上首先第一個還要請署長回去以後提書面資料補充給我就是說針對111到113個縣市合併的情形\n62247\t82130\t好那這個114年度也是一樣你這邊已經這個預計辦理92項工程其中工程72件預算達成率預估95%以上這個表示你們已經也核定了對不對\n84806\t113366\t對 就是它是執行中的我知道 預算達成利 這是整個114年度喔因為我們這是一個中長期計畫所以它從開始合到用地取得到好幾年所以包括114年度也提供給我從這樣的一個報告也顯示出顯示出這個很忠實的一個報告好大家一直在關心的\n115031\t140951\t民眾黨團的提案生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫市區道路這個解凍條件寫得很清楚一個月內提出狀案報告並經同意後 使得動滯好 如果我們從這個立法院三讀通過中央政府總議算案是在1月20幾號然後當然這個\n144714\t169740\t總統一直到3月才公告中央政府114年度的總預算案就算是從那個時候到現在也差不多一個月了還不到那什麼時候可以送來什麼時候可以把這個解凍案狀況報告送來\n171257\t198696\t好跟委員報告啦其實也感謝委員就是說了解我們生活圈對這個各縣市政府的重要性那現在來講的話因為剛剛有提到就是說因為院還有一個通山600多億的部分還沒有辦法分配完成這一個部分我們沒有辦法去做一個體驗的專案報告的一個通山是指山簡嘛對不對對好有沒有山簡這個部分到目前還沒有辦法確認不是生活圈道路\n199952\t229161\t生活圈道路這個寫得很清楚喔凍結的條件 凍結的理由凍結 解凍的條件是就要把狀況報告送來啊跟刪減有什麼關係呢跟委員報告還是有關係你認為你想要刪嗎你想要自己刪嗎沒有 跟委員報告因為這個還要到院這邊 還有不一樣的刪減通刪是通刪對不對是要你行政院去調整是\n230120\t244313\t1月到現在調整不出來通刪就是給你們一個機會而不是由立法院來決定通刪你們來刪多少比例就按照這個來去刪所以從1月20號假設1月20號立法院刪除通過到現在2月3月兩個多月了還無法\n256907\t280683\t所以這個部分 這不是理由解凍 解凍案喔我了解我們都是事務官出身這種解凍案太多了我們經歷很多各種不同的政黨執政我們都是事務官嘛 對不對所以這個解凍的條件非常清楚凍結多少也很清楚\n281448\t301745\t不要去拿我們作為事務官我也曾經在陳水扁總統執政的時候對不對我做事務官常常要去說服政務官為了人民的權益不要受到政治的影響為什麼會認為說行政院會認為說因為這個通商、刪減到底多少\n310461\t335360\t我們事務官很清楚就是因為柯建民總召韓國瑜院長在主持協商的時候就不協商我想就是因為這樣所以我才跟委員報告就是說因為通山的狀況不明所以我們也很難為\n336361\t349036\t同山的狀況不明我們也很難為所以這跟解凍案不一樣是過去的解凍也很容易但是現在的解凍不容易尤其是涉及到人民潛意的部分我們看這個涉及到人民潛意的部分這個是\n351398\t378618\t國土署在2月17號的一個新聞發布的新聞你們發布的新聞特別提到114年度國土管理業務預算414.67億用於持續推動300億中央擴大租金補貼專案社會住宅直接興建包租貸款等包括貸款利息補貼\n380633\t405106\t目前召立法院凍結41.47億你的信封稿也是寫得很清楚是凍結41.47億沒有刪減喔所以呢你這邊也是提到啊這裡面呼籲請國會支持相關預算趕快解凍\n406491\t434839\t所以現在我們作為事務官為了租金補貼為了社會住宅各方面要趕快把提出狀況報告的解凍報告趕快送來當然現在行政院下令不能送理由就是因為通山那個根本不是理由因為解凍條件非常非常的清楚而且\n435919\t443012\t就算是怎麼樣也要去說服部長甚至要說服行政院\n444549\t467827\t所以這個部分都不是理由跟委員報告租金補貼的解凍報告可能到時候還要跟大院再商量因為當時的解凍的理由是不滿國土計畫但是凍結了租金補貼還有其他項目我們都要去討論沒有關係就寫清楚所以到底是要就寫清楚所以這個部分時間的關係這個部分都還要跟大院這邊再討論因為這個部分的確也是我們很少見到的我們來看\n475953\t479935\t凍結率我們看歷年的凍結率114年度是4.6%了曾經最高的是95年度13.24%\n488652\t513129\t94年度12.71%102年度10.06%以歷年的凍結數來講4.6% 104年度算是很低很低的所以那時候為什麼都可以就是大家要溝通大家要溝通而且我們事務官不要陷入\n514059\t541536\t了解不要陷入政務官那種大罷免的那個原因要去製造這個部分我們不要陷入事務官不要陷入這個部分我們長期是事務官好剛才你有提到財政授之法案法你在別的委員的質詢的時候你有提到財政授之法案法財政授之法案法要修正是賴清德當市長的時候你那時候在台南市政府服務\n542725\t570191\t然後那個賴清德總統當行政院院長的時候也提到要修財政收支劃分法要給地方更多的經費而終於完成了賴清德總統的願望完成了而這個財政收支劃分法我們國民黨的當初提案然後說得很清楚這個經費要從稅出剩餘\n571087\t593444\t每年的幾千億的稅租增益然後超增稅收的每年的幾千億以113年度來講超增稅收5283億從這裡去支付這個三千多億的財產收入房給地方就足足有餘所以我們作為一個事務官\n594284\t623023\t要想辦法爭取現在的預算繼續維持超徵的稅收 稅計剩餘拿去給地方這個就是達成賴總統當行政院長的時候一個願望應該共同的支持所以這個時間的關係我們作為事務官要想辦法說服政務官好不好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝鄭天才委員的諮詢下一位高金素美委員改述\n","txt":"主席 會委員 有請署長吳署長有請署長好 辛苦了今天內政部的報告裡面特別提到生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫總共這個111到113年度已經編列208.68億元\n歷年達成率達98%以上首先第一個還要請署長回去以後提書面資料補充給我就是說針對111到113個縣市合併的情形\n好那這個114年度也是一樣你這邊已經這個預計辦理92項工程其中工程72件預算達成率預估95%以上這個表示你們已經也核定了對不對\n對 就是它是執行中的我知道 預算達成利 這是整個114年度喔因為我們這是一個中長期計畫所以它從開始合到用地取得到好幾年所以包括114年度也提供給我從這樣的一個報告也顯示出顯示出這個很忠實的一個報告好大家一直在關心的\n民眾黨團的提案生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫市區道路這個解凍條件寫得很清楚一個月內提出狀案報告並經同意後 使得動滯好 如果我們從這個立法院三讀通過中央政府總議算案是在1月20幾號然後當然這個\n總統一直到3月才公告中央政府114年度的總預算案就算是從那個時候到現在也差不多一個月了還不到那什麼時候可以送來什麼時候可以把這個解凍案狀況報告送來\n好跟委員報告啦其實也感謝委員就是說了解我們生活圈對這個各縣市政府的重要性那現在來講的話因為剛剛有提到就是說因為院還有一個通山600多億的部分還沒有辦法分配完成這一個部分我們沒有辦法去做一個體驗的專案報告的一個通山是指山簡嘛對不對對好有沒有山簡這個部分到目前還沒有辦法確認不是生活圈道路\n生活圈道路這個寫得很清楚喔凍結的條件 凍結的理由凍結 解凍的條件是就要把狀況報告送來啊跟刪減有什麼關係呢跟委員報告還是有關係你認為你想要刪嗎你想要自己刪嗎沒有 跟委員報告因為這個還要到院這邊 還有不一樣的刪減通刪是通刪對不對是要你行政院去調整是\n1月到現在調整不出來通刪就是給你們一個機會而不是由立法院來決定通刪你們來刪多少比例就按照這個來去刪所以從1月20號假設1月20號立法院刪除通過到現在2月3月兩個多月了還無法\n所以這個部分 這不是理由解凍 解凍案喔我了解我們都是事務官出身這種解凍案太多了我們經歷很多各種不同的政黨執政我們都是事務官嘛 對不對所以這個解凍的條件非常清楚凍結多少也很清楚\n不要去拿我們作為事務官我也曾經在陳水扁總統執政的時候對不對我做事務官常常要去說服政務官為了人民的權益不要受到政治的影響為什麼會認為說行政院會認為說因為這個通商、刪減到底多少\n我們事務官很清楚就是因為柯建民總召韓國瑜院長在主持協商的時候就不協商我想就是因為這樣所以我才跟委員報告就是說因為通山的狀況不明所以我們也很難為\n同山的狀況不明我們也很難為所以這跟解凍案不一樣是過去的解凍也很容易但是現在的解凍不容易尤其是涉及到人民潛意的部分我們看這個涉及到人民潛意的部分這個是\n國土署在2月17號的一個新聞發布的新聞你們發布的新聞特別提到114年度國土管理業務預算414.67億用於持續推動300億中央擴大租金補貼專案社會住宅直接興建包租貸款等包括貸款利息補貼\n目前召立法院凍結41.47億你的信封稿也是寫得很清楚是凍結41.47億沒有刪減喔所以呢你這邊也是提到啊這裡面呼籲請國會支持相關預算趕快解凍\n所以現在我們作為事務官為了租金補貼為了社會住宅各方面要趕快把提出狀況報告的解凍報告趕快送來當然現在行政院下令不能送理由就是因為通山那個根本不是理由因為解凍條件非常非常的清楚而且\n就算是怎麼樣也要去說服部長甚至要說服行政院\n所以這個部分都不是理由跟委員報告租金補貼的解凍報告可能到時候還要跟大院再商量因為當時的解凍的理由是不滿國土計畫但是凍結了租金補貼還有其他項目我們都要去討論沒有關係就寫清楚所以到底是要就寫清楚所以這個部分時間的關係這個部分都還要跟大院這邊再討論因為這個部分的確也是我們很少見到的我們來看\n凍結率我們看歷年的凍結率114年度是4.6%了曾經最高的是95年度13.24%\n94年度12.71%102年度10.06%以歷年的凍結數來講4.6% 104年度算是很低很低的所以那時候為什麼都可以就是大家要溝通大家要溝通而且我們事務官不要陷入\n了解不要陷入政務官那種大罷免的那個原因要去製造這個部分我們不要陷入事務官不要陷入這個部分我們長期是事務官好剛才你有提到財政授之法案法你在別的委員的質詢的時候你有提到財政授之法案法財政授之法案法要修正是賴清德當市長的時候你那時候在台南市政府服務\n然後那個賴清德總統當行政院院長的時候也提到要修財政收支劃分法要給地方更多的經費而終於完成了賴清德總統的願望完成了而這個財政收支劃分法我們國民黨的當初提案然後說得很清楚這個經費要從稅出剩餘\n每年的幾千億的稅租增益然後超增稅收的每年的幾千億以113年度來講超增稅收5283億從這裡去支付這個三千多億的財產收入房給地方就足足有餘所以我們作為一個事務官\n要想辦法爭取現在的預算繼續維持超徵的稅收 稅計剩餘拿去給地方這個就是達成賴總統當行政院長的時候一個願望應該共同的支持所以這個時間的關係我們作為事務官要想辦法說服政務官好不好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝鄭天才委員的諮詢下一位高金素美委員改述\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.634 --> 00:29.678\n主席會委員有請署長吳署長有請署長好辛苦了今天內政部的報告裡面特別提到生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫總共這個111到113年度已經編列208.68億元\n\n00:40.241 --> 00:51.708\n歷年達成率達98%以上首先第一個還要請署長回去以後提書面資料補充給我就是說針對111到113個縣市合併的情形\n\n01:02.247 --> 01:22.130\n好那這個114年度也是一樣你這邊已經這個預計辦理92項工程其中工程72件預算達成率預估95%以上這個表示你們已經也核定了對不對\n\n01:24.806 --> 01:53.366\n對就是它是執行中的我知道預算達成利這是整個114年度喔因為我們這是一個中長期計畫所以它從開始合到用地取得到好幾年所以包括114年度也提供給我從這樣的一個報告也顯示出顯示出這個很忠實的一個報告好大家一直在關心的\n\n01:55.031 --> 02:20.951\n民眾黨團的提案生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫市區道路這個解凍條件寫得很清楚一個月內提出狀案報告並經同意後使得動滯好如果我們從這個立法院三讀通過中央政府總議算案是在1月20幾號然後當然這個\n\n02:24.714 --> 02:49.740\n總統一直到3月才公告中央政府114年度的總預算案就算是從那個時候到現在也差不多一個月了還不到那什麼時候可以送來什麼時候可以把這個解凍案狀況報告送來\n\n02:51.257 --> 03:18.696\n好跟委員報告啦其實也感謝委員就是說了解我們生活圈對這個各縣市政府的重要性那現在來講的話因為剛剛有提到就是說因為院還有一個通山600多億的部分還沒有辦法分配完成這一個部分我們沒有辦法去做一個體驗的專案報告的一個通山是指山簡嘛對不對對好有沒有山簡這個部分到目前還沒有辦法確認不是生活圈道路\n\n03:19.952 --> 03:49.161\n生活圈道路這個寫得很清楚喔凍結的條件凍結的理由凍結解凍的條件是就要把狀況報告送來啊跟刪減有什麼關係呢跟委員報告還是有關係你認為你想要刪嗎你想要自己刪嗎沒有跟委員報告因為這個還要到院這邊還有不一樣的刪減通刪是通刪對不對是要你行政院去調整是\n\n03:50.120 --> 04:04.313\n1月到現在調整不出來通刪就是給你們一個機會而不是由立法院來決定通刪你們來刪多少比例就按照這個來去刪所以從1月20號假設1月20號立法院刪除通過到現在2月3月兩個多月了還無法\n\n04:16.907 --> 04:40.683\n所以這個部分這不是理由解凍解凍案喔我了解我們都是事務官出身這種解凍案太多了我們經歷很多各種不同的政黨執政我們都是事務官嘛對不對所以這個解凍的條件非常清楚凍結多少也很清楚\n\n04:41.448 --> 05:01.745\n不要去拿我們作為事務官我也曾經在陳水扁總統執政的時候對不對我做事務官常常要去說服政務官為了人民的權益不要受到政治的影響為什麼會認為說行政院會認為說因為這個通商、刪減到底多少\n\n05:10.461 --> 05:35.360\n我們事務官很清楚就是因為柯建民總召韓國瑜院長在主持協商的時候就不協商我想就是因為這樣所以我才跟委員報告就是說因為通山的狀況不明所以我們也很難為\n\n05:36.361 --> 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Kacaw委員：我們來看歷年的凍結率，114年度是4.6%，曾經最高的是95年度13.24%，94年度12.71%，102年度10.06%，以歷年的凍結數來講，114年度的4.6%算是很低、很低了，所以那時候為什麼都可以，就是大家要溝通，而且我們事務官不要陷入政務官那種要去製造大罷免的原因的這個部分，我們不要陷入，事務官不要陷入這個部分，我們是長期事務官。","剛才你有提到財政收支劃分法，你在別位委員質詢的時候有提到財政收支劃分法，財政收支劃分法要修正是賴清德當市長的時候，你那時候在臺南市政府服務，然後賴清德總統當行政院長的時候也提到要修財政收支劃分法、要給地方更多的經費，現在終於完成了賴清德總統的願望。關於財政收支劃分法，我們國民黨當初提案說得很清楚，這個經費要從每年幾千億的歲計賸餘以及每年超徵稅收的幾千億，以113年度來講，超徵稅收5,283億，從這裡去支付這個三千多億的財政收支劃分法給地方就足足有餘，所以我們作為一個事務官要想辦法爭取現在的預算繼續維持，超徵稅收、歲計賸餘拿去給地方，這個就是達成賴總統當行政院院長時的願望，這應該共同來支持。","因為時間的關係，我們作為事務官要想辦法說服政務官，好不好？謝謝。"],["吳署長欣修：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢。","下一位高金素梅委員改書面。","再下一位林俊憲委員，林俊憲委員、林俊憲委員不在。","再來，我們請李坤城委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":354,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-8","speakers":["牛煦庭","張宏陸","李柏毅","麥玉珍","張智倫","王美惠","黃捷","蘇巧慧","黃建賓","吳琪銘","洪孟楷","許宇甄","鄭天財Sra 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