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00:01:26,973\n那我想就教一下市長那為什麼在行政院的881裡面他在討論的過程中沒有就是邀請到交通部那以及那這些相關的這些產業尤其是汽車產業或是交通部底下的相關的這些產業受到的衝擊以及包括協助的方案為何\n\n5\n00:01:27,893 --> 00:01:51,230\n我想跟委員報告這次剛講因為關稅的問題嘛主要大概是出口的部分出口的部分主要是在經濟部因為交通部裡面譬如說剛講汽車那部分其實是經濟部在主導的這我知道是不屬於交通部這我知道所以因為這是關稅問題所以那天討論的時候大概就找經濟部沒有找交通部是因為這個原因\n\n6\n00:01:51,610 --> 00:02:18,488\n所以說交通部底下的相關的汽車或是相關的運輸的產業通通都不會受到這些貿易或關稅或進出口的影響因為剛剛講他對外出口是由經濟部在幹的我知道是經濟部為了但是問題是在討論跟邀集部會在跨部會討論的時候是通通都把交通部就沒有邀集來討論嗎還是有沒有任何一個單位就是或同仁是有參加行政院的一個會議應該有嗎\n\n7\n00:02:21,170 --> 00:02:33,517\n跟委員報告一下那個連假期間有關於行政院的會議我們是沒有參加剛剛委員所提到就是說裡面可能會聽得到如果說因而產生這個貿易這個有相關這個調整的部分的話\n\n8\n00:02:37,379 --> 00:02:40,022\n所以本席在這裡還是要建議行政院在討論這樣子的一個881的方案不能急就章\n\n9\n00:02:52,176 --> 00:03:13,718\n交通部的話貴為國家那麼重要的一個部會那在整個的方案的討論交通部沒有任何的同仁或是官員受邀參與討論那我坦白講當然說組的單位是經濟部這個大家都清楚那可是實際上影響的產業跟層面甚至包括後面帶動的整個包括物價膨脹通膨的問題啊所以說\n\n10\n00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:39,050\n這個部分我會建議交通部應該還是要主動跟行政院反映那這個應該是要相關這個貿易的關稅站的這一個部分如何來保護台灣的產業而且把傷害衝擊降到最低我覺得交通部應該也要有官員在裡面練習跟參與討論那同樣的我們看到了像現在來講6月23號台鐵的票價要漲\n\n11\n00:03:39,870 --> 00:04:02,570\n那同樣我們看到這個關稅的這個後面的效應通膨就是一定的啦那是不是有可能是在這個高鐵的部分那交通部也可以秉持著照顧民眾苦民所苦的情況還在他們在下一次高鐵的董事會會討論的時候也表達這個高鐵不要漲價的一個大家的意見\n\n12\n00:04:05,233 --> 00:04:20,932\n高鐵票價的部分目前我們是還沒有接受到說要漲價的這樣的一個請求未來如果他有提出來我想我們會站在剛提到也有包括一些社會責任的問題必須要去考量我想這部分應該\n\n13\n00:04:22,373 --> 00:04:38,319\n可以來反映嗎對這個我們可以來想辦法來處理好那因為時間有限那再來吉吉之縣原定在114年底南投縣的吉吉之縣預計要在115年的7月要完工通車那想要救救一下次長\n\n14\n00:04:39,099 --> 00:05:02,432\n那在過去來講有提到說在今年年底的話是可以趕工到今年年底的這個進度那是否可行本來到今年年底的趕工的部分還是可以好那謝謝那明年的七月我想這個我們也會掌握那希望是能夠在今年年底通車那因為那時候有提到這個那我想說再次做一下確認對我們今年年底是通車到幾級\n\n15\n00:05:04,694 --> 00:05:32,057\n因為那時候原本有提到今年的年中有機會就是通車到幾級那年底的話有機會全線通車那我在想其實那時候是包括在之前上個月的時候討論到是確實有這個訊息所以還是想要拜託董事長這邊是不是可以加快的來去進行這個好這個我們來努力好那再接著的話就是文化資產的部分\n\n16\n00:05:32,657 --> 00:05:53,985\n那在目前在集集火車站有沒有機會放置這個老舊的火車頭那我在想其實在鐵道文化那在我們這個集集之前其實確實是需要很多的這個文化資產甚至是文化的故事還來帶動這個鐵道文化集集之前讓更多的民眾成為觀光誘因那在目前來講的話是\n\n17\n00:05:55,305 --> 00:06:08,251\n以這個養護的方式介於交通部日管處12輛各式的老車還放置在小學堂跟鐵道車程鐵道文化園區那目前來講是在這裡還是要請董事長我們來積極來發揚鐵道文化跟文化資產的這個帶動觀光效益的一個方式那這個12個火車頭將來也希望能夠\n\n18\n00:06:16,195 --> 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這個我們可以來想辦法來處理好 那因為時間有限那再來吉吉之縣原定在114年底南投縣的吉吉之縣預計要在115年的7月要完工通車那想要救救一下次長\n279099\t302432\t那在過去來講有提到說在今年年底的話是可以趕工到今年年底的這個進度那是否可行本來到今年年底的趕工的部分還是可以好那謝謝那明年的七月我想這個我們也會掌握那希望是能夠在今年年底通車那因為那時候有提到這個那我想說再次做一下確認對我們今年年底是通車到幾級\n304694\t332057\t因為那時候原本有提到今年的年中有機會就是通車到幾級那年底的話有機會全線通車那我在想其實那時候是包括在之前上個月的時候討論到是確實有這個訊息所以還是想要拜託董事長這邊是不是可以加快的來去進行這個好 這個我們來努力好 那再接著的話就是文化資產的部分\n332657\t353985\t那在目前在集集火車站有沒有機會放置這個老舊的火車頭那我在想其實在鐵道文化那在我們這個集集之前其實確實是需要很多的這個文化資產甚至是文化的故事還來帶動這個鐵道文化集集之前讓更多的民眾成為觀光誘因那在目前來講的話是\n355305\t368251\t以這個養護的方式介於交通部日管處12輛各式的老車還放置在小學堂跟鐵道車程鐵道文化園區那目前來講是在這裡還是要請董事長我們來積極來發揚鐵道文化跟文化資產的這個帶動觀光效益的一個方式那這個12個火車頭將來也希望能夠\n376195\t400902\t在集集支線不管是龍泉還集集包括水里車程甚至濁水的部分那與其在這邊放置來來代管那不如的話就讓他呈現還甚至有一些鐵道的故事館把老照片來取出來還到時候來去帶動觀光在這個通車之前那是否可行我想這個跟委員報告剛提到這些帶動觀光的用文化帶動我想這個也是我們\n404108\t421524\t台鐵公司努力的目標啦齁剛提到如果說地方還有什麼哪個地方有需求的時候可以提出來我們再討論看看他的可行性我想我這個我們會全力來促成好那如果到時候請這個公司內部大家都研議一下再把一個規劃方案再跟我們一起是好謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝游委員\n","txt":"謝謝老闆主席有請次長請次長\n委員好市長好那當然還是要肯定市長包括台鐵對南投都做很多的協助那在這裡還是想要先就教一下實事體那像現在來講我們看到股市綠油油今天大家一副就是都是因為受到這個貿易的影響還愁雲慘霧那本期在\n禮拜六的時候也看這個行政院這塊的記者會那這個880億那出席的單位跟討論的單位沒有交通部但是其實在交通部底下相關所管的許多的影響的這些汽車零組件相關這些運輸產業不管是進口或出口其實都會大受影響\n那我想就教一下市長那為什麼在行政院的881裡面他在討論的過程中沒有就是邀請到交通部那以及那這些相關的這些產業尤其是汽車產業或是交通部底下的相關的這些產業受到的衝擊以及包括協助的方案為何\n我想跟委員報告這次剛講因為關稅的問題嘛主要大概是出口的部分出口的部分主要是在經濟部因為交通部裡面譬如說剛講汽車那部分其實是經濟部在主導的這我知道是不屬於交通部這我知道所以因為這是關稅問題所以那天討論的時候大概就找經濟部沒有找交通部是因為這個原因\n所以說交通部底下的相關的汽車或是相關的運輸的產業通通都不會受到這些貿易或關稅或進出口的影響因為剛剛講他對外出口是由經濟部在幹的我知道是經濟部為了但是問題是在討論跟邀集部會在跨部會討論的時候是通通都把交通部就沒有邀集來討論嗎還是有沒有任何一個單位就是或同仁是有參加行政院的一個會議應該有嗎\n跟委員報告一下那個連假期間有關於行政院的會議我們是沒有參加剛剛委員所提到就是說裡面可能會聽得到如果說因而產生這個貿易這個有相關這個調整的部分的話\n所以本席在這裡還是要建議行政院在討論這樣子的一個881的方案不能急就章\n交通部的話貴為國家那麼重要的一個部會那在整個的方案的討論交通部沒有任何的同仁或是官員受邀參與討論那我坦白講當然說組的單位是經濟部這個大家都清楚那可是實際上影響的產業跟層面甚至包括後面帶動的整個包括物價膨脹通膨的問題啊所以說\n這個部分我會建議交通部應該還是要主動跟行政院反映那這個應該是要相關這個貿易的關稅站的這一個部分如何來保護台灣的產業而且把傷害衝擊降到最低我覺得交通部應該也要有官員在裡面練習跟參與討論那同樣的我們看到了像現在來講6月23號台鐵的票價要漲\n那同樣我們看到這個關稅的這個後面的效應通膨就是一定的啦那是不是有可能是在這個高鐵的部分那交通部也可以秉持著照顧民眾苦民所苦的情況還在他們在下一次高鐵的董事會會討論的時候也表達這個高鐵不要漲價的一個大家的意見\n高鐵票價的部分目前我們是還沒有接受到說要漲價的這樣的一個請求未來如果他有提出來我想我們會站在剛提到也有包括一些社會責任的問題必須要去考量我想這部分應該\n可以來反映嗎對 這個我們可以來想辦法來處理好 那因為時間有限那再來吉吉之縣原定在114年底南投縣的吉吉之縣預計要在115年的7月要完工通車那想要救救一下次長\n那在過去來講有提到說在今年年底的話是可以趕工到今年年底的這個進度那是否可行本來到今年年底的趕工的部分還是可以好那謝謝那明年的七月我想這個我們也會掌握那希望是能夠在今年年底通車那因為那時候有提到這個那我想說再次做一下確認對我們今年年底是通車到幾級\n因為那時候原本有提到今年的年中有機會就是通車到幾級那年底的話有機會全線通車那我在想其實那時候是包括在之前上個月的時候討論到是確實有這個訊息所以還是想要拜託董事長這邊是不是可以加快的來去進行這個好 這個我們來努力好 那再接著的話就是文化資產的部分\n那在目前在集集火車站有沒有機會放置這個老舊的火車頭那我在想其實在鐵道文化那在我們這個集集之前其實確實是需要很多的這個文化資產甚至是文化的故事還來帶動這個鐵道文化集集之前讓更多的民眾成為觀光誘因那在目前來講的話是\n以這個養護的方式介於交通部日管處12輛各式的老車還放置在小學堂跟鐵道車程鐵道文化園區那目前來講是在這裡還是要請董事長我們來積極來發揚鐵道文化跟文化資產的這個帶動觀光效益的一個方式那這個12個火車頭將來也希望能夠\n在集集支線不管是龍泉還集集包括水里車程甚至濁水的部分那與其在這邊放置來來代管那不如的話就讓他呈現還甚至有一些鐵道的故事館把老照片來取出來還到時候來去帶動觀光在這個通車之前那是否可行我想這個跟委員報告剛提到這些帶動觀光的用文化帶動我想這個也是我們\n台鐵公司努力的目標啦齁剛提到如果說地方還有什麼哪個地方有需求的時候可以提出來我們再討論看看他的可行性我想我這個我們會全力來促成好那如果到時候請這個公司內部大家都研議一下再把一個規劃方案再跟我們一起是好謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝游委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.119 --> 00:10.085\n謝謝老闆主席有請次長請次長\n\n00:19.506 --> 00:41.419\n委員好市長好那當然還是要肯定市長包括台鐵對南投都做很多的協助那在這裡還是想要先就教一下實事體那像現在來講我們看到股市綠油油今天大家一副就是都是因為受到這個貿易的影響還愁雲慘霧那本期在\n\n00:42.399 --> 01:03.632\n禮拜六的時候也看這個行政院這塊的記者會那這個880億那出席的單位跟討論的單位沒有交通部但是其實在交通部底下相關所管的許多的影響的這些汽車零組件相關這些運輸產業不管是進口或出口其實都會大受影響\n\n01:04.452 --> 01:26.973\n那我想就教一下市長那為什麼在行政院的881裡面他在討論的過程中沒有就是邀請到交通部那以及那這些相關的這些產業尤其是汽車產業或是交通部底下的相關的這些產業受到的衝擊以及包括協助的方案為何\n\n01:27.893 --> 01:51.230\n我想跟委員報告這次剛講因為關稅的問題嘛主要大概是出口的部分出口的部分主要是在經濟部因為交通部裡面譬如說剛講汽車那部分其實是經濟部在主導的這我知道是不屬於交通部這我知道所以因為這是關稅問題所以那天討論的時候大概就找經濟部沒有找交通部是因為這個原因\n\n01:51.610 --> 02:18.488\n所以說交通部底下的相關的汽車或是相關的運輸的產業通通都不會受到這些貿易或關稅或進出口的影響因為剛剛講他對外出口是由經濟部在幹的我知道是經濟部為了但是問題是在討論跟邀集部會在跨部會討論的時候是通通都把交通部就沒有邀集來討論嗎還是有沒有任何一個單位就是或同仁是有參加行政院的一個會議應該有嗎\n\n02:21.170 --> 02:33.517\n跟委員報告一下那個連假期間有關於行政院的會議我們是沒有參加剛剛委員所提到就是說裡面可能會聽得到如果說因而產生這個貿易這個有相關這個調整的部分的話\n\n02:37.379 --> 02:40.022\n所以本席在這裡還是要建議行政院在討論這樣子的一個881的方案不能急就章\n\n02:52.176 --> 03:13.718\n交通部的話貴為國家那麼重要的一個部會那在整個的方案的討論交通部沒有任何的同仁或是官員受邀參與討論那我坦白講當然說組的單位是經濟部這個大家都清楚那可是實際上影響的產業跟層面甚至包括後面帶動的整個包括物價膨脹通膨的問題啊所以說\n\n03:16.500 --> 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