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00:02:43,229\n可以嗎報告委員好這個案子因為之前委員有諮詢過我自己本人召開過會議跟新北市政府捷運局來做溝通跟協調他們也確實把報告有再送上來但這裡面有一個非常關鍵的問題也就是所謂的金融比的問題就是他們把未來的土地開發的這種收益納為未來的附屬事業收益\n\n8\n00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:51,904\n對一般來講我們是土開銷業是列為自償性經費不能夠列為未來營運期的一部分營運收入\n\n9\n00:02:54,603 --> 00:03:15,319\n這個細節我覺得你可以該怎麼樣你可以找他們來再討論嗎因為現在就是補件之後沒有回應我們最新有很快的報告他們的如果需要的話我們也可以來幫忙協調盡快啦不要卡在你們該做的事情還是要做但是不要卡在行政流程\n\n10\n00:03:15,799 --> 00:03:44,354\n比如說公文在誰的桌上等半天啊安排會議啊要為了要借會議室還是配合哪個長官時間就拖一兩個月啊我覺得盡量不要因為行政程序卡好不好加快速度了好第二個請教一個我問一個到案的問題那個居然可以回座沒關係問一下到案的問題今天早上有一個有一個男子開車啦撞到一對夫妻那夫妻受傷那男子呢他自己承諾啊是他自己講說他酒駕然後就照逃了\n\n11\n00:03:45,074 --> 00:04:07,403\n那這個我想請教一下因為之前交通部曾經針對這個議題就是酒駕兆頭假設有受傷那是一回事但是如果沒有受傷的話那酒駕兆頭他可能隔了一天兩天被抓到但是那時候他已經沒有酒精了嘛所以他可能就只能夠罰他大概幾千塊\n\n12\n00:04:08,743 --> 00:04:29,848\n那比一些酒駕的人留下來乖乖的接受酒測然後被罰是輕很多所以當時就很多團體專家就說那這樣是不是鼓勵大家酒駕要照逃那我有看說交通部好像有說要研議這方面的修法的方向我不知道說這個能研議的結果是怎麼樣\n\n13\n00:04:32,269 --> 00:04:44,164\n你可以看這個PET他講說如果你配合警方九策的話那最高是12萬罰款再加上刑責但如果說你是肇事逃逸的話大概就最高就罰3000塊那時候交通部有說會研議修法\n\n14\n00:04:47,888 --> 00:05:16,829\n是跟我們報告一下這裡面就是說針對肇事逃逸因為肇事的部分基本上有財損或者是這個肇事致人輕傷重傷死亡這些相關的部分它裡面的太陽是相對我知道這就是你們之前講的嘛對對對但是就是說是不是就是說每個這個就是說肇事逃逸的一個這一個部分就是為了這個躲避對你剛剛有講這個就是去年你們的理由就是這樣\n\n15\n00:05:17,469 --> 00:05:39,349\n就是說因為趙陶不見得是酒駕趙陶啦他可能別的原因嘛所以所以一致性的提高趙陶的罰則不公平嘛對不對所以然後你們就說但是你們會思考一下怎麼修法去杜絕我剛剛講的狀況嘛那我現在只是問說那你們現在因為是去年11月到現在也半年了啦然後剛好因為今天早上也發生\n\n16\n00:05:40,470 --> 00:06:05,043\n就是有酒駕照討的事情所以我來請問一下交通部現在你們現在的進度是怎麼樣所以不用再解釋你的理由我都知道對不對跟我們報告就是說目前我們還是著重在酒駕房子的部分啦是這個就是這個目前我們還是這個相關房子的部分是在針對這個酒駕的部分而不是就是說在處理通案這個那要怎麼去解決\n\n17\n00:06:06,184 --> 00:06:13,013\n如果你酒駕選擇肇事逃逸的問題呢有選擇肇事逃逸比配合警方酒駕罰的輕怎麼去解決這個問題\n\n18\n00:06:16,939 --> 00:06:40,115\n我想只要有肇事的這個部分的話那這個基本上現行大概都有這個每輛車子都有這個行車記錄器的部分那在這個整個事故處理的一個部分的話我們也加上這個就是宣導如果說相關有肇事的部分的話那周邊的人或是這個當事人就趕快這個報案那我們也請這個就是說警政署\n\n19\n00:06:40,495 --> 00:07:10,035\n對於這種兆頭然後再處理這個船亂的一個部分的話來做一個加速這個處理但是我要跟委員報告的一個這個部分就是說委員在這個之後最近這個媒體上面大概也看到很多這個就是酒駕開車有這些相關部分那警察大概就會加強這個盤查其實這幾天大概也抓在這個就是說盤查過程當中也抓到很多這個\n\n20\n00:07:12,096 --> 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局長好我想關心一下我們那個太阪輕軌的進度啦因為我記得我去年九月當時那個陳思凱部長剛到院的時候我有拜託他就是說我們這個可行性研究已經拖了大概兩年快兩年那時候兩塊兩年現在已經兩年多了一直都沒有核定但這個太阪輕軌實際上是交通部前部長王國才的承諾\n38174\t67474\t那時候到我們板橋的另外一區配合張宏祿委員說要蓋一個社後支線那太本輕軌是主線嘛社後輕軌是支線嘛應該是先有主線才有支線嘛結果現在可行性研究一直卡住那時候陳志凱部長有承諾啦就說盡快盡量不要發現一個問題退一次發現一個問題退一次那我非常感謝他因為後來好像新北市政府在10月底有正式發文的時候就沒有退了但是\n68374\t88872\t一直要求補件那補件我覺得也是應該啦補通資料也是應該可是補件人家送件之後的這個回函特別慢我就講最新一次最新一次那時候有要求市府補充一個捷運開發大樓出售前要提供捷運公司附屬的事業法源依據跟案例那他們是在\n89953\t118071\t就我了解是在2月26號補充資料那到現在大概也一個多月了啦也都沒有回穩我是問說能不能在這個行政程序上可以加快一點因為我看起來這不是很困難的回應那甚至於說也不用文來文往嘛如果真的對於有一些細節有一些疑慮的話大家找過來開個會當面討論一下溝通溝通其實也很快啊因為我做立委以來我也協調過很多不同的部會之間你們中央的部會\n119973\t133531\t就感覺上好像都很不熟但是大家面對面討論完之後速度就加快很多所以這部分局長 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謝謝請次長 當局長謝謝\n市長好 局長好我想關心一下我們那個太阪輕軌的進度啦因為我記得我去年九月當時那個陳思凱部長剛到院的時候我有拜託他就是說我們這個可行性研究已經拖了大概兩年快兩年那時候兩塊兩年現在已經兩年多了一直都沒有核定但這個太阪輕軌實際上是交通部前部長王國才的承諾\n那時候到我們板橋的另外一區配合張宏祿委員說要蓋一個社後支線那太本輕軌是主線嘛社後輕軌是支線嘛應該是先有主線才有支線嘛結果現在可行性研究一直卡住那時候陳志凱部長有承諾啦就說盡快盡量不要發現一個問題退一次發現一個問題退一次那我非常感謝他因為後來好像新北市政府在10月底有正式發文的時候就沒有退了但是\n一直要求補件那補件我覺得也是應該啦補通資料也是應該可是補件人家送件之後的這個回函特別慢我就講最新一次最新一次那時候有要求市府補充一個捷運開發大樓出售前要提供捷運公司附屬的事業法源依據跟案例那他們是在\n就我了解是在2月26號補充資料那到現在大概也一個多月了啦也都沒有回穩我是問說能不能在這個行政程序上可以加快一點因為我看起來這不是很困難的回應那甚至於說也不用文來文往嘛如果真的對於有一些細節有一些疑慮的話大家找過來開個會當面討論一下溝通溝通其實也很快啊因為我做立委以來我也協調過很多不同的部會之間你們中央的部會\n就感覺上好像都很不熟但是大家面對面討論完之後速度就加快很多所以這部分局長 次長能不能幫忙一下因為這個交通建設也算我們地方的一個因應期盼的一個建設\n可以嗎報告委員好這個案子因為之前委員有諮詢過我自己本人召開過會議跟新北市政府捷運局來做溝通跟協調他們也確實把報告有再送上來但這裡面有一個非常關鍵的問題也就是所謂的金融比的問題就是他們把未來的土地開發的這種收益納為未來的附屬事業收益\n對一般來講我們是土開銷業是列為自償性經費不能夠列為未來營運期的一部分營運收入\n這個細節我覺得你可以該怎麼樣你可以找他們來再討論嗎因為現在就是補件之後沒有回應我們最新有很快的報告他們的如果需要的話我們也可以來幫忙協調盡快啦不要卡在你們該做的事情還是要做但是不要卡在行政流程\n比如說公文在誰的桌上等半天啊安排會議啊要為了要借會議室還是配合哪個長官時間就拖一兩個月啊我覺得盡量不要因為行政程序卡好不好加快速度了好第二個請教一個我問一個到案的問題那個居然可以回座沒關係問一下到案的問題今天早上有一個有一個男子開車啦撞到一對夫妻那夫妻受傷那男子呢他自己承諾啊是他自己講說他酒駕然後就照逃了\n那這個我想請教一下因為之前交通部曾經針對這個議題就是酒駕兆頭假設有受傷那是一回事但是如果沒有受傷的話那酒駕兆頭他可能隔了一天兩天被抓到但是那時候他已經沒有酒精了嘛所以他可能就只能夠罰他大概幾千塊\n那比一些酒駕的人留下來乖乖的接受酒測然後被罰是輕很多所以當時就很多團體專家就說那這樣是不是鼓勵大家酒駕要照逃那我有看說交通部好像有說要研議這方面的修法的方向我不知道說這個能研議的結果是怎麼樣\n你可以看這個PET他講說如果你配合警方九策的話那最高是12萬罰款再加上刑責但如果說你是肇事逃逸的話大概就最高就罰3000塊那時候交通部有說會研議修法\n是跟我們報告一下這裡面就是說針對肇事逃逸因為肇事的部分基本上有財損或者是這個肇事致人輕傷重傷死亡這些相關的部分它裡面的太陽是相對我知道這就是你們之前講的嘛對對對但是就是說是不是就是說每個這個就是說肇事逃逸的一個這一個部分就是為了這個躲避對你剛剛有講這個就是去年你們的理由就是這樣\n就是說因為趙陶不見得是酒駕趙陶啦他可能別的原因嘛所以所以一致性的提高趙陶的罰則不公平嘛對不對所以然後你們就說但是你們會思考一下怎麼修法去杜絕我剛剛講的狀況嘛那我現在只是問說那你們現在因為是去年11月到現在也半年了啦然後剛好因為今天早上也發生\n就是有酒駕照討的事情所以我來請問一下交通部現在你們現在的進度是怎麼樣所以不用再解釋你的理由我都知道對不對跟我們報告就是說目前我們還是著重在酒駕房子的部分啦是這個就是這個目前我們還是這個相關房子的部分是在針對這個酒駕的部分而不是就是說在處理通案這個那要怎麼去解決\n如果你酒駕選擇肇事逃逸的問題呢有選擇肇事逃逸比配合警方酒駕罰的輕怎麼去解決這個問題\n我想只要有肇事的這個部分的話那這個基本上現行大概都有這個每輛車子都有這個行車記錄器的部分那在這個整個事故處理的一個部分的話我們也加上這個就是宣導如果說相關有肇事的部分的話那周邊的人或是這個當事人就趕快這個報案那我們也請這個就是說警政署\n對於這種兆頭然後再處理這個船亂的一個部分的話來做一個加速這個處理但是我要跟委員報告的一個這個部分就是說委員在這個之後最近這個媒體上面大概也看到很多這個就是酒駕開車有這些相關部分那警察大概就會加強這個盤查其實這幾天大概也抓在這個就是說盤查過程當中也抓到很多這個\n你跟我講的是不同的事情警方很認真在查酒駕這我也知道然後你們加強宣導我也都知道我現在問的問題是你要怎麼去解決如果是酒駕然後因為選擇兆頭會比他乖乖接受酒測罰得比較輕這個問題我的問題\n其實很清楚而且這個問題你也知道所以在去年的時候你們也有對社會大眾也有所回應那個時候是說會研擬方案現在只是問你的方案但現在聽起來是沒有什麼方案嘛這個只會寄過由這個過去在\n的相關的防治的做法嗎一樣嘛對不對好OK沒有我是問個態度而已啦好謝謝我也跟委員長分享一句因為這裡面還介紹到這個刑事法律的部分這個我們再跟法務部跟警政署再共同來做一個研究OK好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.466 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--> 03:15.319\n這個細節我覺得你可以該怎麼樣你可以找他們來再討論嗎因為現在就是補件之後沒有回應我們最新有很快的報告他們的如果需要的話我們也可以來幫忙協調盡快啦不要卡在你們該做的事情還是要做但是不要卡在行政流程\n\n03:15.799 --> 03:44.354\n比如說公文在誰的桌上等半天啊安排會議啊要為了要借會議室還是配合哪個長官時間就拖一兩個月啊我覺得盡量不要因為行政程序卡好不好加快速度了好第二個請教一個我問一個到案的問題那個居然可以回座沒關係問一下到案的問題今天早上有一個有一個男子開車啦撞到一對夫妻那夫妻受傷那男子呢他自己承諾啊是他自己講說他酒駕然後就照逃了\n\n03:45.074 --> 04:07.403\n那這個我想請教一下因為之前交通部曾經針對這個議題就是酒駕兆頭假設有受傷那是一回事但是如果沒有受傷的話那酒駕兆頭他可能隔了一天兩天被抓到但是那時候他已經沒有酒精了嘛所以他可能就只能夠罰他大概幾千塊\n\n04:08.743 --> 04:29.848\n那比一些酒駕的人留下來乖乖的接受酒測然後被罰是輕很多所以當時就很多團體專家就說那這樣是不是鼓勵大家酒駕要照逃那我有看說交通部好像有說要研議這方面的修法的方向我不知道說這個能研議的結果是怎麼樣\n\n04:32.269 --> 04:44.164\n你可以看這個PET他講說如果你配合警方九策的話那最高是12萬罰款再加上刑責但如果說你是肇事逃逸的話大概就最高就罰3000塊那時候交通部有說會研議修法\n\n04:47.888 --> 05:16.829\n是跟我們報告一下這裡面就是說針對肇事逃逸因為肇事的部分基本上有財損或者是這個肇事致人輕傷重傷死亡這些相關的部分它裡面的太陽是相對我知道這就是你們之前講的嘛對對對但是就是說是不是就是說每個這個就是說肇事逃逸的一個這一個部分就是為了這個躲避對你剛剛有講這個就是去年你們的理由就是這樣\n\n05:17.469 --> 05:39.349\n就是說因為趙陶不見得是酒駕趙陶啦他可能別的原因嘛所以所以一致性的提高趙陶的罰則不公平嘛對不對所以然後你們就說但是你們會思考一下怎麼修法去杜絕我剛剛講的狀況嘛那我現在只是問說那你們現在因為是去年11月到現在也半年了啦然後剛好因為今天早上也發生\n\n05:40.470 --> 06:05.043\n就是有酒駕照討的事情所以我來請問一下交通部現在你們現在的進度是怎麼樣所以不用再解釋你的理由我都知道對不對跟我們報告就是說目前我們還是著重在酒駕房子的部分啦是這個就是這個目前我們還是這個相關房子的部分是在針對這個酒駕的部分而不是就是說在處理通案這個那要怎麼去解決\n\n06:06.184 --> 06:13.013\n如果你酒駕選擇肇事逃逸的問題呢有選擇肇事逃逸比配合警方酒駕罰的輕怎麼去解決這個問題\n\n06:16.939 --> 06:40.115\n我想只要有肇事的這個部分的話那這個基本上現行大概都有這個每輛車子都有這個行車記錄器的部分那在這個整個事故處理的一個部分的話我們也加上這個就是宣導如果說相關有肇事的部分的話那周邊的人或是這個當事人就趕快這個報案那我們也請這個就是說警政署\n\n06:40.495 --> 07:10.035\n對於這種兆頭然後再處理這個船亂的一個部分的話來做一個加速這個處理但是我要跟委員報告的一個這個部分就是說委員在這個之後最近這個媒體上面大概也看到很多這個就是酒駕開車有這些相關部分那警察大概就會加強這個盤查其實這幾天大概也抓在這個就是說盤查過程當中也抓到很多這個\n\n07:12.096 --> 07:28.581\n你跟我講的是不同的事情警方很認真在查酒駕這我也知道然後你們加強宣導我也都知道我現在問的問題是你要怎麼去解決如果是酒駕然後因為選擇兆頭會比他乖乖接受酒測罰得比較輕這個問題我的問題\n\n07:30.842 --> 07:44.538\n其實很清楚而且這個問題你也知道所以在去年的時候你們也有對社會大眾也有所回應那個時候是說會研擬方案現在只是問你的方案但現在聽起來是沒有什麼方案嘛這個只會寄過由這個過去在\n\n07:48.723 --> 08:03.077\n的相關的防治的做法嗎一樣嘛對不對好OK沒有我是問個態度而已啦好謝謝我也跟委員長分享一句因為這裡面還介紹到這個刑事法律的部分這個我們再跟法務部跟警政署再共同來做一個研究OK好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.466,"end":6.108,"text":"那剛剛講那個政策還有鐵道局 謝謝請次長 當局長謝謝"},{"start":14.373,"end":37.234,"text":"市長好 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