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00:00:51,138\n謝謝委員關心解凍案有二十案三十二案對不起我跟部長講二十二案是屬於書面然後十案是屬於專案然後你們什麼時候要送過來特別是書面報告你們通常只要書面報告就好請問你們寫好了嗎\n\n3\n00:00:53,556 --> 00:01:01,905\n因為跟委員報告確實我們在這裡邊因為還有一個大院所通過的一個統三還有一個636\n\n4\n00:01:03,596 --> 00:01:23,774\n所以在這個部分我們內部到底有關教育部在這個部分我們怎麼樣有一個好部長我只是提醒22個書面報告因為你們都說數算非常的重要可是我怎麼發現皇帝不急怎麼急死太監你知道去年教育部什麼時候把解凍案送到立法院去年我當召委\n\n5\n00:01:26,718 --> 00:01:44,933\n我告訴部長3月15號你就送過來所以說呢你到目前為止還不見終於我今天有看到剛剛才經過的時候看到交通部已經排解動案了所以呢我只是希望說如果你們真的覺得這預算非常的重要特別是書面包括這麼樣子可以很快解決的部長真的趕快送過來吧\n\n6\n00:01:48,095 --> 00:02:12,430\n不要挪来挪去你会让我们真的有时候会彻底怀疑是不是要累积相骂本啊否则的话我觉得教育部应该很中立既然别的部会都已经开始排了部长你若觉得钱解冻很重要的话不要只是在下乡演讲的时候不断告诉我们如何动如何删这个是教育部本身可以赶快来做我们也可以愿意和来配合的大家就一起相忍来为我们教育部来做一个更好的这个完整的说明吧好吧\n\n7\n00:02:12,991 --> 00:02:16,703\n好部長這是很重要的接下來我們是不是也請署長也請上來好請鄭署長\n\n8\n00:02:20,322 --> 00:02:46,237\n那我们今天是来谈到跟有关运动产业相关的一个问题我先首先请教一下特别是署长你2025年的中华族女足邀请赛我们来跟纽西兰战然后呢在4月8号本来在我们高雄的男子体育场对不对举行但是呢会堪之后他们发现这个场地实在是太糟糕了所以他们决定弃赛我觉得对我们来说这是一个非常丢脸的一件事情好不容易等到了有一个这么样的国际的大赛\n\n9\n00:02:46,897 --> 00:03:02,755\n然后呢我觉得说这个部分里面呢署长你什么时候知道这样的一个状况去年开始你难道没有对足协有任何一点的要求吗为什么让这件事情能够让国际都看到这样子的一个状况竟然是场地不合格署长\n\n10\n00:03:03,581 --> 00:03:19,966\n報告委員我在4月1號就已經知道這件事情了那其實去年對阿曼那一場其實我們就在台北經營場我就已經要求在賽前3到4週就應該要進行加強的草皮養護這例如SOP這一次他們技術部門跟競賽部門沒有跟他們溝通其實男子組\n\n11\n00:03:22,907 --> 00:03:41,088\n对但是其实男子足赛场的部分要符合国际规准你也知道有点辛苦真正是台北跟高雄各有一场只是呢那时候我们的档期已经被借出去了通才这种国际赛事不是你说要比赛之前的就要做草皮养护这真的有点太慢了\n\n12\n00:03:41,468 --> 00:03:55,991\n你看三月的时候你就已经知道你去年九月申请你就已经知道我们三月的档期已经在这个地方已经不可能了好所以你现在还是以这个男子足球场来做然后你再看看这个状况下面的这个照片4月2号的现场是这样子好\n\n13\n00:03:56,952 --> 00:04:04,855\n你們花了30萬時間4月6號的現場是如此但是這個樣的現場對於所謂的國際賽事來說怎麼可能而且呢我還要特別提醒一下我們來看看一般的國際賽事要長成這個樣子好不好署長你應該知道要長成這個樣子那當初他們借不到的時候難道你們沒有想過男子足球場的整個的狀況嗎你們難道沒有想過嗎我覺得你到時候前三個月三個禮拜的時間再來叫人家做草皮洋物\n\n14\n00:04:24,342 --> 00:04:29,224\n這已經是不符合不歸主的你光是一個草皮養護又養護不好怎麼可能呢這怎麼樣面對一個國際大賽這是很辛苦的一個事情嘛對不對所以呢你看我還是要特別強道為什麼因為這是女足你知道女足她們紐西蘭來到什麼地方來做練習賽嗎在哪裡做練習\n\n15\n00:04:42,725 --> 00:04:46,288\n在男子文中這邊沒有他們在練習的時候試到完全一個非正式場地的一大足球場好不好你這樣對我們來說又是個女足我們才告訴他要性別平等是把我們女足這個部分裡面覺得應該是女性的足球嗎所以才給我們這樣的待遇嗎是這樣子嗎\n\n16\n00:05:02,039 --> 00:05:29,388\n其實我們在之前我已經跟主席講過不管是他的裝備他的出場費以及他的整個住宿的部分都應該要男女一致這部分我們之前也警告過他們所以這次我們會再強烈的要求他們未來一定要做好你沒有任何的懲處或什麼嗎這件事情真的是讓我們好不容易有一個這樣子這次的賽事我們基本上就是沒有做核定了那以後要怎麼樣改進你只能強力要求嗎跟委員報告我非常同意委員的看法這是丟臉\n\n17\n00:05:31,803 --> 00:05:39,585\n沒有什麼好講的一個國際運動賽會竟然會出現這樣一個情況就是丟臉我想我們體育署在整個內部要深切檢討對於我們運動團隊裡邊應該給予有一個事情特別國際賽會有一個SOP在事前到一個\n\n18\n00:05:52,708 --> 00:05:55,411\n什麼樣的一個時間我們要確保他所有的部長都應該要其實也有嚴格的強烈的要求而且這種賽事不是只有前幾個禮拜才去做這件事情而且你根本就是前一兩年的時候大家才有辦法來做包括場地的租借如果男子球場不行的話你還可以有很多地方來做一個選項所以這個東西一定要記取教訓\n\n19\n00:06:15,532 --> 00:06:32,003\n好那接下來我們要看看喔所以部長剛剛已經講了非常大的一個重話我們要繼續教訓喔那接下來我們來看看關於運動這個部分裡面喔我還是要強力的提醒一下當初我們做這樣子但是呢我們有一個附帶決議我不曉得署長還有沒有印象這時候我們是要求體育署必須要對於規範的職業運動賽事還有企業聯想的具體定義\n\n20\n00:06:37,846 --> 00:06:40,687\n還有關於這個賭博的信託基金的相關規定應該在三到六個月完成我想請問目前的進度到哪裡了報委員我們第一版的草案已經出來那我們下禮拜還有第二次的會議那我們持續在滾休當中我們會在期限之內把它提交\n\n21\n00:06:55,131 --> 00:07:16,612\n六个月之内但是我告诉你有很多球员的工会跟我反映目前为止只有职棒工会目前为止还稍微有个样子其他的部分里面特别帮助是有关于防堵基金的部分目前为止都是空的球员也认为工会也就觉得没有被你们体育署有联络过这是怎么一回事\n\n22\n00:07:16,852 --> 00:07:20,313\n你可不可以把你們所聯絡的工會條列給我看一下因為我們工會的陳情告訴我們目前為止有關於這個相關的一個執法的部分裡面你們沒有很積極我只是很要很納悶的問一下到底為什麼不積極是多一事不如少一事還是有什麼至愛難行的可能\n\n23\n00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:50,707\n幫委員其實在這個信託的部分我們現在除了希望球團跟球員他們可以有一個自己的一定比例的提撥之外那球員公會這邊希望我們體育署這邊再又透過基金或是國家公帑這邊來一起來\n\n24\n00:07:52,568 --> 00:08:11,819\n所以我跟你说你等一下事后今天完之后请给我看你们所联络的公会的名单哪一个公会你们拜访过目前的进度到底是如何现在已经到三读通过现在已经过四个月了距离我们刚说的期限大概等下一个半月我现在一个半月里面如书长所说的能够把它拿出来而且呢我还是一样一定要拿\n\n25\n00:08:12,679 --> 00:08:39,261\n到时候呢我不希望你到时候跟国体法一样是拿出一套超越魔法解释的词法来变异形式我觉得这个部分你们可能要请体育署要严格的加强最后最后一点点的一分钟的时间我还是要问一下有关于禁药的问题因为这个东西是非常多很多人来反映特别是我们这位真的是未来的明日之星这个包含这个特别是我们的曹家宜的事件大概署长都已经有所闻吧是\n\n26\n00:08:39,781 --> 00:08:46,024\n曹家儀的部分他就是因為在服用了日本的大陣感冒藥這是我們每個人都知道的他是因為這樣然後沒有通過藥檢他自請要求他自己可以自我停賽可是我還是要提醒署長我們這個WATA的這個機構當中我們台灣唯一的禁藥的檢定中心那時候曾經對曹家儀是做出他通過藥檢的這我們唯一藥檢的地方認為他是通過藥檢結果被國際中心認為他不違反的那請問這個東西哪有落差這麼大\n\n27\n00:09:09,734 --> 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對不起我跟部長講二十二案是屬於書面然後十案是屬於專案然後你們什麼時候要送過來特別是書面報告你們通常只要書面報告就好請問你們寫好了嗎\n因為跟委員報告確實我們在這裡邊因為還有一個大院所通過的一個統三還有一個636\n所以在這個部分我們內部到底有關教育部在這個部分我們怎麼樣有一個好部長我只是提醒22個書面報告因為你們都說數算非常的重要可是我怎麼發現皇帝不急怎麼急死太監你知道去年教育部什麼時候把解凍案送到立法院去年我當召委\n我告訴部長3月15號你就送過來所以說呢你到目前為止還不見終於我今天有看到剛剛才經過的時候看到交通部已經排解動案了所以呢我只是希望說如果你們真的覺得這預算非常的重要特別是書面包括這麼樣子可以很快解決的部長真的趕快送過來吧\n不要挪来挪去你会让我们真的有时候会彻底怀疑是不是要累积相骂本啊否则的话我觉得教育部应该很中立既然别的部会都已经开始排了部长你若觉得钱解冻很重要的话不要只是在下乡演讲的时候不断告诉我们如何动如何删这个是教育部本身可以赶快来做我们也可以愿意和来配合的大家就一起相忍来为我们教育部来做一个更好的这个完整的说明吧好吧\n好 部長這是很重要的接下來我們是不是也請署長也請上來好 請鄭署長\n那我们今天是来谈到跟有关运动产业相关的一个问题我先首先请教一下特别是署长你2025年的中华族女足邀请赛我们来跟纽西兰战然后呢在4月8号本来在我们高雄的男子体育场对不对举行但是呢会堪之后他们发现这个场地实在是太糟糕了所以他们决定弃赛我觉得对我们来说这是一个非常丢脸的一件事情好不容易等到了有一个这么样的国际的大赛\n然后呢我觉得说这个部分里面呢署长你什么时候知道这样的一个状况去年开始你难道没有对足协有任何一点的要求吗为什么让这件事情能够让国际都看到这样子的一个状况竟然是场地不合格署长\n報告委員我在4月1號就已經知道這件事情了那其實去年對阿曼那一場其實我們就在台北經營場我就已經要求在賽前3到4週就應該要進行加強的草皮養護這例如SOP這一次他們技術部門跟競賽部門沒有跟他們溝通其實男子組\n对但是其实男子足赛场的部分要符合国际规准你也知道有点辛苦真正是台北跟高雄各有一场只是呢那时候我们的档期已经被借出去了通才这种国际赛事不是你说要比赛之前的就要做草皮养护这真的有点太慢了\n你看三月的时候你就已经知道你去年九月申请你就已经知道我们三月的档期已经在这个地方已经不可能了好所以你现在还是以这个男子足球场来做然后你再看看这个状况下面的这个照片4月2号的现场是这样子好\n你們花了30萬時間4月6號的現場是如此但是這個樣的現場對於所謂的國際賽事來說怎麼可能而且呢我還要特別提醒一下我們來看看一般的國際賽事要長成這個樣子好不好署長你應該知道要長成這個樣子那當初他們借不到的時候難道你們沒有想過男子足球場的整個的狀況嗎你們難道沒有想過嗎我覺得你到時候前三個月三個禮拜的時間再來叫人家做草皮洋物\n這已經是不符合不歸主的你光是一個草皮養護又養護不好怎麼可能呢這怎麼樣面對一個國際大賽這是很辛苦的一個事情嘛對不對所以呢你看我還是要特別強道為什麼因為這是女足你知道女足她們紐西蘭來到什麼地方來做練習賽嗎在哪裡做練習\n在男子文中這邊沒有 他們在練習的時候試到完全一個非正式場地的一大足球場好不好你這樣對我們來說又是個女足我們才告訴他要性別平等是把我們女足這個部分裡面覺得應該是女性的足球嗎所以才給我們這樣的待遇嗎是這樣子嗎\n其實我們在之前我已經跟主席講過不管是他的裝備他的出場費以及他的整個住宿的部分都應該要男女一致這部分我們之前也警告過他們所以這次我們會再強烈的要求他們未來一定要做好你沒有任何的懲處或什麼嗎這件事情真的是讓我們好不容易有一個這樣子這次的賽事我們基本上就是沒有做核定了那以後要怎麼樣改進你只能強力要求嗎跟委員報告我非常同意委員的看法這是丟臉\n沒有什麼好講的一個國際運動賽會竟然會出現這樣一個情況就是丟臉我想我們體育署在整個內部要深切檢討對於我們運動團隊裡邊應該給予有一個事情特別國際賽會有一個SOP在事前到一個\n什麼樣的一個時間我們要確保他所有的部長都應該要其實也有嚴格的強烈的要求而且這種賽事不是只有前幾個禮拜才去做這件事情而且你根本就是前一兩年的時候大家才有辦法來做包括場地的租借如果男子球場不行的話你還可以有很多地方來做一個選項所以這個東西一定要記取教訓\n好那接下來我們要看看喔所以部長剛剛已經講了非常大的一個重話我們要繼續教訓喔那接下來我們來看看關於運動這個部分裡面喔我還是要強力的提醒一下當初我們做這樣子但是呢我們有一個附帶決議我不曉得署長還有沒有印象這時候我們是要求體育署必須要對於規範的職業運動賽事還有企業聯想的具體定義\n還有關於這個賭博的信託基金的相關規定應該在三到六個月完成我想請問目前的進度到哪裡了報委員我們第一版的草案已經出來那我們下禮拜還有第二次的會議那我們持續在滾休當中我們會在期限之內把它提交\n六个月之内但是我告诉你有很多球员的工会跟我反映目前为止只有职棒工会目前为止还稍微有个样子其他的部分里面特别帮助是有关于防堵基金的部分目前为止都是空的球员也认为工会也就觉得没有被你们体育署有联络过这是怎么一回事\n你可不可以把你們所聯絡的工會條列給我看一下因為我們工會的陳情告訴我們目前為止有關於這個相關的一個執法的部分裡面你們沒有很積極我只是很要很納悶的問一下到底為什麼不積極是多一事不如少一事還是有什麼至愛難行的可能\n幫委員其實在這個信託的部分我們現在除了希望球團跟球員他們可以有一個自己的一定比例的提撥之外那球員公會這邊希望我們體育署這邊再又透過基金或是國家公帑這邊來一起來\n所以我跟你说你等一下事后今天完之后请给我看你们所联络的公会的名单哪一个公会你们拜访过目前的进度到底是如何现在已经到三读通过现在已经过四个月了距离我们刚说的期限大概等下一个半月我现在一个半月里面如书长所说的能够把它拿出来而且呢我还是一样一定要拿\n到时候呢我不希望你到时候跟国体法一样是拿出一套超越魔法解释的词法来变异形式我觉得这个部分你们可能要请体育署要严格的加强最后最后一点点的一分钟的时间我还是要问一下有关于禁药的问题因为这个东西是非常多很多人来反映特别是我们这位真的是未来的明日之星这个包含这个特别是我们的曹家宜的事件大概署长都已经有所闻吧是\n曹家儀的部分他就是因為在服用了日本的大陣感冒藥這是我們每個人都知道的他是因為這樣然後沒有通過藥檢他自請要求他自己可以自我停賽可是我還是要提醒署長我們這個WATA的這個機構當中我們台灣唯一的禁藥的檢定中心那時候曾經對曹家儀是做出他通過藥檢的這我們唯一藥檢的地方認為他是通過藥檢結果被國際中心認為他不違反的那請問這個東西哪有落差這麼大\n其實這個他在曹家瑜這個證書是他在發生事情之後才上網去上課然後才取得證書那這一部分我覺得還是要選手還是要負完全的責任因為在藥檢這件事情職業選手他們其實都知道那在賽前其實他是賽前吃的感冒藥不是在賽中所以他懲處相對比較輕但是這部分我們還是\n我觉得还是因为我目前只有唯一的一个单位这个部分里面呢其实有关于在通报的部分在任何的部分里面我觉得还是要非常的严格的来做一个要求因为过去这样的一个中心其实也出了一些我以前质询过你的也出了非常多的事情所以今天再加上这曹嘉丽的事情我还是再一次的提醒对于静药的检测的部分有关于我们选手未来出赛的一个权益很多时候你说他负起完全责任但是身为我们这个体育署的一个角色还是负责有效\n我們都有在輔導他的所以說這部分裡面我還是說利用這個時間還是要再次提醒署長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:01.070\n我們首先想請教部長114年教育部的解凍案到底有幾案那什麼時候要送過來解凍\n\n00:32.291 --> 00:51.138\n謝謝委員關心解凍案有二十案三十二案對不起我跟部長講二十二案是屬於書面然後十案是屬於專案然後你們什麼時候要送過來特別是書面報告你們通常只要書面報告就好請問你們寫好了嗎\n\n00:53.556 --> 01:01.905\n因為跟委員報告確實我們在這裡邊因為還有一個大院所通過的一個統三還有一個636\n\n01:03.596 --> 01:23.774\n所以在這個部分我們內部到底有關教育部在這個部分我們怎麼樣有一個好部長我只是提醒22個書面報告因為你們都說數算非常的重要可是我怎麼發現皇帝不急怎麼急死太監你知道去年教育部什麼時候把解凍案送到立法院去年我當召委\n\n01:26.718 --> 01:44.933\n我告訴部長3月15號你就送過來所以說呢你到目前為止還不見終於我今天有看到剛剛才經過的時候看到交通部已經排解動案了所以呢我只是希望說如果你們真的覺得這預算非常的重要特別是書面包括這麼樣子可以很快解決的部長真的趕快送過來吧\n\n01:48.095 --> 02:12.430\n不要挪来挪去你会让我们真的有时候会彻底怀疑是不是要累积相骂本啊否则的话我觉得教育部应该很中立既然别的部会都已经开始排了部长你若觉得钱解冻很重要的话不要只是在下乡演讲的时候不断告诉我们如何动如何删这个是教育部本身可以赶快来做我们也可以愿意和来配合的大家就一起相忍来为我们教育部来做一个更好的这个完整的说明吧好吧\n\n02:12.991 --> 02:16.703\n好部長這是很重要的接下來我們是不是也請署長也請上來好請鄭署長\n\n02:20.322 --> 02:46.237\n那我们今天是来谈到跟有关运动产业相关的一个问题我先首先请教一下特别是署长你2025年的中华族女足邀请赛我们来跟纽西兰战然后呢在4月8号本来在我们高雄的男子体育场对不对举行但是呢会堪之后他们发现这个场地实在是太糟糕了所以他们决定弃赛我觉得对我们来说这是一个非常丢脸的一件事情好不容易等到了有一个这么样的国际的大赛\n\n02:46.897 --> 03:02.755\n然后呢我觉得说这个部分里面呢署长你什么时候知道这样的一个状况去年开始你难道没有对足协有任何一点的要求吗为什么让这件事情能够让国际都看到这样子的一个状况竟然是场地不合格署长\n\n03:03.581 --> 03:19.966\n報告委員我在4月1號就已經知道這件事情了那其實去年對阿曼那一場其實我們就在台北經營場我就已經要求在賽前3到4週就應該要進行加強的草皮養護這例如SOP這一次他們技術部門跟競賽部門沒有跟他們溝通其實男子組\n\n03:22.907 --> 03:41.088\n对但是其实男子足赛场的部分要符合国际规准你也知道有点辛苦真正是台北跟高雄各有一场只是呢那时候我们的档期已经被借出去了通才这种国际赛事不是你说要比赛之前的就要做草皮养护这真的有点太慢了\n\n03:41.468 --> 03:55.991\n你看三月的时候你就已经知道你去年九月申请你就已经知道我们三月的档期已经在这个地方已经不可能了好所以你现在还是以这个男子足球场来做然后你再看看这个状况下面的这个照片4月2号的现场是这样子好\n\n03:56.952 --> 04:04.855\n你們花了30萬時間4月6號的現場是如此但是這個樣的現場對於所謂的國際賽事來說怎麼可能而且呢我還要特別提醒一下我們來看看一般的國際賽事要長成這個樣子好不好署長你應該知道要長成這個樣子那當初他們借不到的時候難道你們沒有想過男子足球場的整個的狀況嗎你們難道沒有想過嗎我覺得你到時候前三個月三個禮拜的時間再來叫人家做草皮洋物\n\n04:24.342 --> 04:29.224\n這已經是不符合不歸主的你光是一個草皮養護又養護不好怎麼可能呢這怎麼樣面對一個國際大賽這是很辛苦的一個事情嘛對不對所以呢你看我還是要特別強道為什麼因為這是女足你知道女足她們紐西蘭來到什麼地方來做練習賽嗎在哪裡做練習\n\n04:42.725 --> 04:46.288\n在男子文中這邊沒有他們在練習的時候試到完全一個非正式場地的一大足球場好不好你這樣對我們來說又是個女足我們才告訴他要性別平等是把我們女足這個部分裡面覺得應該是女性的足球嗎所以才給我們這樣的待遇嗎是這樣子嗎\n\n05:02.039 --> 05:29.388\n其實我們在之前我已經跟主席講過不管是他的裝備他的出場費以及他的整個住宿的部分都應該要男女一致這部分我們之前也警告過他們所以這次我們會再強烈的要求他們未來一定要做好你沒有任何的懲處或什麼嗎這件事情真的是讓我們好不容易有一個這樣子這次的賽事我們基本上就是沒有做核定了那以後要怎麼樣改進你只能強力要求嗎跟委員報告我非常同意委員的看法這是丟臉\n\n05:31.803 --> 05:39.585\n沒有什麼好講的一個國際運動賽會竟然會出現這樣一個情況就是丟臉我想我們體育署在整個內部要深切檢討對於我們運動團隊裡邊應該給予有一個事情特別國際賽會有一個SOP在事前到一個\n\n05:52.708 --> 05:55.411\n什麼樣的一個時間我們要確保他所有的部長都應該要其實也有嚴格的強烈的要求而且這種賽事不是只有前幾個禮拜才去做這件事情而且你根本就是前一兩年的時候大家才有辦法來做包括場地的租借如果男子球場不行的話你還可以有很多地方來做一個選項所以這個東西一定要記取教訓\n\n06:15.532 --> 06:32.003\n好那接下來我們要看看喔所以部長剛剛已經講了非常大的一個重話我們要繼續教訓喔那接下來我們來看看關於運動這個部分裡面喔我還是要強力的提醒一下當初我們做這樣子但是呢我們有一個附帶決議我不曉得署長還有沒有印象這時候我們是要求體育署必須要對於規範的職業運動賽事還有企業聯想的具體定義\n\n06:37.846 --> 06:40.687\n還有關於這個賭博的信託基金的相關規定應該在三到六個月完成我想請問目前的進度到哪裡了報委員我們第一版的草案已經出來那我們下禮拜還有第二次的會議那我們持續在滾休當中我們會在期限之內把它提交\n\n06:55.131 --> 07:16.612\n六个月之内但是我告诉你有很多球员的工会跟我反映目前为止只有职棒工会目前为止还稍微有个样子其他的部分里面特别帮助是有关于防堵基金的部分目前为止都是空的球员也认为工会也就觉得没有被你们体育署有联络过这是怎么一回事\n\n07:16.852 --> 07:20.313\n你可不可以把你們所聯絡的工會條列給我看一下因為我們工會的陳情告訴我們目前為止有關於這個相關的一個執法的部分裡面你們沒有很積極我只是很要很納悶的問一下到底為什麼不積極是多一事不如少一事還是有什麼至愛難行的可能\n\n07:36.420 --> 07:50.707\n幫委員其實在這個信託的部分我們現在除了希望球團跟球員他們可以有一個自己的一定比例的提撥之外那球員公會這邊希望我們體育署這邊再又透過基金或是國家公帑這邊來一起來\n\n07:52.568 --> 08:11.819\n所以我跟你说你等一下事后今天完之后请给我看你们所联络的公会的名单哪一个公会你们拜访过目前的进度到底是如何现在已经到三读通过现在已经过四个月了距离我们刚说的期限大概等下一个半月我现在一个半月里面如书长所说的能够把它拿出来而且呢我还是一样一定要拿\n\n08:12.679 --> 08:39.261\n到时候呢我不希望你到时候跟国体法一样是拿出一套超越魔法解释的词法来变异形式我觉得这个部分你们可能要请体育署要严格的加强最后最后一点点的一分钟的时间我还是要问一下有关于禁药的问题因为这个东西是非常多很多人来反映特别是我们这位真的是未来的明日之星这个包含这个特别是我们的曹家宜的事件大概署长都已经有所闻吧是\n\n08:39.781 --> 08:46.024\n曹家儀的部分他就是因為在服用了日本的大陣感冒藥這是我們每個人都知道的他是因為這樣然後沒有通過藥檢他自請要求他自己可以自我停賽可是我還是要提醒署長我們這個WATA的這個機構當中我們台灣唯一的禁藥的檢定中心那時候曾經對曹家儀是做出他通過藥檢的這我們唯一藥檢的地方認為他是通過藥檢結果被國際中心認為他不違反的那請問這個東西哪有落差這麼大\n\n09:09.734 --> 09:29.635\n其實這個他在曹家瑜這個證書是他在發生事情之後才上網去上課然後才取得證書那這一部分我覺得還是要選手還是要負完全的責任因為在藥檢這件事情職業選手他們其實都知道那在賽前其實他是賽前吃的感冒藥不是在賽中所以他懲處相對比較輕但是這部分我們還是\n\n09:30.236 --> 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的工會條列給我看一下？因為工會的陳情告訴我，目前為止有關於相關子法的部分，你們沒有很積極。我只是很納悶地問一下，到底為什麼不積極？是多一事不如少一事，還是有什麼窒礙難行的可能？"],["鄭署長世忠：報告委員，其實在信託的部分，我們現在除了希望球團跟球員他們可以有自己一定比例的提撥之外，球員工會希望我們體育署這邊透過基金或是國家……"],["柯委員志恩：是啊！所以我跟你說，等今天完之後，請給我看你們所聯絡的工會名單，哪一個工會你們拜訪過？目前的進度到底是如何？現在離三讀通過已經4個月了，距離我們剛剛說的期限大概只剩下1個半月，我希望在1個半月裡面如署長所說的，能夠把它拿出來，而且我不希望到時候你跟國體法一樣，是拿出一套超越母法解釋的子法來便宜行事，我覺得這個部分，可能要請體育署嚴格的加強。","最後一點點的1分鐘時間，我還是要問一下有關於禁藥的問題，因為這個東西有很多人來反映，特別是我們這位真的是未來的明日之星，特別是我們曹家宜的事件，署長大概都已經有所聞吧？"],["鄭署長世忠：是。"],["柯委員志恩：曹家宜的部分，他就是因為服用了日本的「大正感冒藥A」，因為這樣子他沒有通過藥檢，他自己要求停賽，可是我還是要提醒署長，在這個WADA機構當中，而臺灣唯一的禁藥檢驗中心，那時候曾經對曹家宜做出他是通過藥檢的，我們唯一藥檢的地方認為他是通過藥檢的，結果被國際中心認為他是違反的，請問這東西哪有落差這麼大？請問這怎麼辦？"],["鄭署長世忠：其實曹家宜這個證書是他在發生事情之後才上網上課然後才取得證書，這一部分我覺得選手還是要負完全的責任，因為在藥檢這件事情上，職業選手其實他們都知道，他是賽前吃了感冒藥，不是在賽中，所以他的懲處相對比較輕，但是這部分我們還是依照WADA……"],["柯委員志恩：因為我們目前只有唯一的這個單位，其實在通報的部分、在任何的部分裡面，我覺得還是要非常嚴格地來做要求，因為過去這樣的中心其實也出了非常多的事情，這也是我以前質詢過你的，所以今天發生曹家宜這樣的事情，我還是再一次的提醒，對於禁藥的檢測部分，攸關我們選手未來出賽的權益，雖然你說他要負起完全責任，但很多時候，你們身為體育署的角色，還是有負責相關的……"],["鄭署長世忠：報告委員，我們都有在輔導他。"],["柯委員志恩：所以在這個部分，我還是要利用這個時間再次提醒署長，好不好？"],["鄭署長世忠：謝謝委員。"],["柯委員志恩：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝柯志恩委員，部長、署長請回。","接下來請萬美玲委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":186,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-22,20-1","speakers":["林宜瑾","葛如鈞","羅廷瑋","柯志恩","萬美玲","劉書彬","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","范雲","李坤城","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","鍾佳濱","張雅琳","林楚茵","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","徐富癸","葉元之","蘇清泉","黃捷","林沛祥","林德福","顏寬恒"],"page_start":117,"meetingDate":["2025-04-09"],"gazette_id":"1143501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143501_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化、財政委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查行政院函請審議「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；\n二、審查委員沈發惠等19人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；\n三、審查委員葉元之等19人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員葛\n如鈞等20人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅廷\n瑋等17人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；六、審查委\n員蔡其昌等16人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員\n王美惠等24人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；八、審\n查委員吳思瑤等18人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；\n九、審查委員郭國文等17人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案","agenda_id":"1143501_00003"}}}