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00:01:46,348\n你回覆得非常的快速第二個你也回覆得非常的明確也就是說您的回應是說依法禁用並落實執行那將來會透過韓式基改食品的範圍修正午餐的契約範本等等我想這是值得讚許的但是部長我們來看過去\n\n6\n00:01:48,891 --> 00:02:02,680\n我國也有曾經禁止過美牛美豬有相關的這個限制喔可是呢也都在美國強大壓力之下被迫做了開放喔那現在我們看到美國這32%所謂的懲罰性的關稅擺在眼前喔那對我們的影響非常的大喔那我們也看到那政府現在不斷的宣布說我們要加碼採購包括軍火農產品電子資訊石化天然氣等等產業喔看起來我們有在一路退讓並且希望喔\n\n7\n00:02:16,368 --> 00:02:25,651\n能夠討好或是更和諧的跟美國相處所以我非常的憂心我們政府到最後會不會退道拿學童的健康來作為談判的籌碼尤其是在基改的部分還有美豬標示的部分會影響我們孩子的營養午餐\n\n8\n00:02:31,793 --> 00:02:56,826\n那我們現在看到鄭麗君這個副院長即將要率團去美國來做談判那部長今天本席希望在這裡能夠得知你確切的態度你身為我們全國孩子的大家長你會不會繼續來捍衛我們孩童的健康對於我們現在現行的學校衛生法在第23條這個部分尤其是禁止這個基因改造的食品進入這個學校園內你一樣會依法來做這是第一個問題第二個\n\n9\n00:02:58,587 --> 00:03:18,004\n那一样的问题教育部现在版本的这个学校公餐法的草案正在行政院来研修那这个针对禁止使用含基因改造生鲜食材及其初级加控品的这个部分那本席想要了解有没有明确的放在研修的条文之中因为如果没有的话我觉得他非常堪忧以上两点让部长做个说明\n\n10\n00:03:19,794 --> 00:03:41,583\n現在委員關心這個基改的一個實務是不是會影響到我們學童的一個健康那我想我們學校衛生法裡面23條當然有規範那我也要利用這個機會跟委員報告許多科學的研究生技醫學的一些研究事實上全世界都投入相當大的一些研究的機會在研究\n\n11\n00:03:42,944 --> 00:03:51,729\n有越來越多的一些證據包括剛才部長我們可不可以比較明確告訴我一下待會還有體育署的問題我們很多的科學研究證據如果它對人體它事實上是越來越多的證據是不會產生傷害我想就人才的培育或者在教育的場域我們怎麼樣適度的讓這個社會大眾知道然後有許多的一些部長我聽您的意思是說\n\n12\n00:04:09,358 --> 00:04:19,543\n您可能要有條件去調整學校衛生法第二十三條基改進入校園的這個部分嗎我現在沒有特別的態度我的意思是說以我目前來講當然學校衛生法那我們在使用優良的這個國產豬或是國有的一些有這個3Q\n\n13\n00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:58,163\n那個3Q3張1Q3張1Q的這樣一個標章你被優良的一些這一個所謂的部長那我就請教你喔對於現在美國所說的這個點名台灣限制美豬美牛馬鈴薯基改食品政策是不必要的貿易障礙要求我們解除這個部分你會同意嗎還是在鄭麗君部長即將要去美國之前你也會強烈的反應說我們不同意西上海豬的健康讓更多的科學證據如果我先\n\n14\n00:04:58,943 --> 00:05:07,006\n不是部長按照科學的證據這件事情我想以後有很大的討論空間但現在部長不好意思部長您先聽我把話講完我希望這題不要浪費太多的時間因為等一下我不知道這個召委還會不會給我時間我們要討論足球的部分\n\n15\n00:05:16,229 --> 00:05:41,923\n但是這題非常的重要我相信我們所有教文的委員正在關心中您剛剛所提的這些東西我們目前的法令限制得很清楚嘛非常清楚除非你修法那麼如果我們現在並沒有修法而在這一次美國祭出懲罰性的32%關稅我們有很多地方必須要讓步我想在必要讓步的地方其實國人能夠體諒但是要拿學生的健康去交換就我本人啦我是敵死不從啦\n\n16\n00:05:42,603 --> 00:06:09,369\n所以呢部長原本我剛剛還有稱讚您說為了我們孩童的健康你在第一時間回應我們一切依法禁用但現在今天聽您的態度好像不是那麼肯定您能不能說清楚一點我想我的態度已經很清楚我們現在的法令跟我們現在實際的這個營養午餐把這個好的一個食材放在這個企業的規範目前就是這樣做但是我要跟委員報告你還是會欣賞我的\n\n17\n00:06:10,649 --> 00:06:14,514\n我還是會欣賞你的但你要有讓我欣賞的作為我希望他是有更多的科學證據而不是要因為這樣來部長我想這樣好不好這個部分我希望現在在我們法令一樣是這樣規範嚴格的去保障我們孩子營養午餐的健康的當中\n\n18\n00:06:30,293 --> 00:06:48,006\n那我們不能改變所以鄭麗君副院長即將要去美國談判我覺得這條底線一定要守住我們絕對不可以犧牲孩子的健康去做任何的交換因為任何東西交換回來都挽救不了學生的健康我想我們絕對不會交換學童的健康我跟委員的不一樣不然我希望你讓我繼續欣賞你謝謝那我們請鄭士忠署長\n\n19\n00:06:52,636 --> 00:07:15,775\n請鄭部長鄭署長這討論出什麼這是討論出什麼玄機所以我們運動部非常有可能現在就要恭喜鄭部長趙委是說我也可以當運動部部長你這個救援的有一點牽強喔這個會後我想大家要來了解一下是我們已經知道大概就是要可以恭喜鄭署長變鄭部長了是吧\n\n20\n00:07:18,223 --> 00:07:46,800\n包委也沒有這回事目前沒有這回事好那謝謝昭偉今天有美顏好昭偉不好意思等一下多給我一分鐘的時間一樣我們現在來談我們就是中華女足跟這個牛心蘭女足剛才我們那個柯政委員也有提到不過我真的要提一下因為我們在上一屆的時候就有提過這個男子足球場其實在109年5月興建的時候赤字3.5億但當時我們體育署也有補助了2.38億也是高達將近七成其實體育署補助的\n\n21\n00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,003\n那可是後來呢其實在驗收的時候不符合這個國際標準那既然不符合國際標準那為什麼足協啊辦這種國際賽事呢還要去選擇一個不符合國際標準的場地這第一個那第二個呢那事實上本來啊\n\n22\n00:08:03,092 --> 00:08:16,822\n如果還有這個台北田徑場跟這個高雄國家體育場可是看起來租界不到然後呢這個場地現在男子主場又不符合國際的標準那為什麼足協在場地還沒有確認之前呢就倉促的去來邀約進行這個友誼賽讓國家變成說人家講說這是一個國恥啊可不可以說明一下\n\n23\n00:08:21,385 --> 00:08:41,838\n報告委員這個球場它本身在副球場它是人工草皮後來在去年有通過國際的認證通過了嗎對主球場它本身是天然草皮它是不需要任何的認證它就可以進行國際賽事但是它這一次的問題主要是在草皮養護這部分沒有做好所以才會造成這個大賽的問題那既然這個署長你都知道說是草皮養護不好你都知道這個問題那我們這個草皮養護應該是誰來做這責任在誰呢\n\n24\n00:08:48,863 --> 00:09:18,030\n報告委員這部分還是要足協在比賽之前幾個月至少一個月至少都已經要開始做加強草皮養護很好如果署長你也知道那請問一下足協會不會知道這麼基本的一個概念報告委員其實我在去年三四月在台北田徑場那一場對阿曼我就已經輔導他們就已經有做要求那這一次他們沒有做好這部分我們會再做懲處所以署長你要求無法要求要求不動這個足協是這樣意思嗎我覺得是他們技術部門跟競賽部門本身真的在這件事情真的沒有做好了\n\n25\n00:09:18,652 --> 00:09:40,758\n那不可以這樣子啊這都是一種很基本的概念對不對這麼基本的概念有概念不落實沒有用嘛對不對所以這一次我覺得這個是一個非常難看的一個狀態啦那再來你看喔其實我們台灣女子足球的這個足球員的一個公會他們也有提出來說像這一次我們這個國家代表隊他們的這個球員等等教練也都沒有獲邀\n\n26\n00:09:41,338 --> 00:10:09,680\n不管是進行相關的這個球賽的事項討論或是現場去看一個場地的一個狀況其實他們也覺得非常不受到重視那當然就衍生出來說這個代表隊本身還有一些其他的裝備還有專業能力後勤的資源等等不足說真的我們要發展我們的體育其實相關的支持是很重要所以署長你有沒有去了解那足協不邀請代表隊來討論場地或者是給予其他支持的原因是什麼報告委員女子隊的總教練是在現場她有來\n\n27\n00:10:11,221 --> 00:10:28,004\n那後勤的部分我有去也是責難足球協會在後勤的部分既然知道是廉價就不應該這麼晚才訂飯店應該要提早訂就不會訂到義大這麼遠的地方去所以這部分我們都有要求學長我很沒有辦法接受耶這些事情還需要你來叮囑\n\n28\n00:10:29,085 --> 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昭偉不好意思等一下多給我一分鐘的時間一樣我們現在來談我們就是中華女足跟這個牛心蘭女足剛才我們那個柯政委員也有提到不過我真的要提一下因為我們在上一屆的時候就有提過這個男子足球場其實在109年5月興建的時候赤字3.5億但當時我們體育署也有補助了2.38億也是高達將近七成其實體育署補助的\n467680\t471003\t那可是後來呢其實在驗收的時候不符合這個國際標準那既然不符合國際標準那為什麼足協啊辦這種國際賽事呢還要去選擇一個不符合國際標準的場地這第一個那第二個呢那事實上本來啊\n483092\t496822\t如果還有這個台北田徑場跟這個高雄國家體育場可是看起來租界不到然後呢這個場地現在男子主場又不符合國際的標準那為什麼足協在場地還沒有確認之前呢就倉促的去來邀約進行這個友誼賽讓國家變成說人家講說這是一個國恥啊可不可以說明一下\n501385\t521838\t報告委員 這個球場它本身在副球場它是人工草皮後來在去年有通過國際的認證通過了嗎對 主球場它本身是天然草皮它是不需要任何的認證它就可以進行國際賽事但是它這一次的問題主要是在草皮養護這部分沒有做好所以才會造成這個大賽的問題那既然這個署長你都知道說是草皮養護不好你都知道這個問題那我們這個草皮養護應該是誰來做這責任在誰呢\n528863\t558030\t報告委員這部分還是要足協在比賽之前幾個月至少一個月至少都已經要開始做加強草皮養護很好如果署長你也知道那請問一下足協會不會知道這麼基本的一個概念報告委員其實我在去年三四月在台北田徑場那一場對阿曼我就已經輔導他們就已經有做要求那這一次他們沒有做好這部分我們會再做懲處所以署長你要求無法要求要求不動這個足協是這樣意思嗎我覺得是他們技術部門跟競賽部門本身真的在這件事情真的沒有做好了\n558652\t580758\t那不可以這樣子啊這都是一種很基本的概念對不對這麼基本的概念有概念不落實沒有用嘛對不對所以這一次我覺得這個是一個非常難看的一個狀態啦那再來你看喔其實我們台灣女子足球的這個足球員的一個公會他們也有提出來說像這一次我們這個國家代表隊他們的這個球員等等教練也都沒有獲邀\n581338\t609680\t不管是進行相關的這個球賽的事項討論或是現場去看一個場地的一個狀況其實他們也覺得非常不受到重視那當然就衍生出來說這個代表隊本身還有一些其他的裝備還有專業能力後勤的資源等等不足說真的我們要發展我們的體育其實相關的支持是很重要所以署長你有沒有去了解那足協不邀請代表隊來討論場地或者是給予其他支持的原因是什麼報告委員女子隊的總教練是在現場她有來\n611221\t628004\t那後勤的部分我有去也是責難足球協會在後勤的部分既然知道是廉價就不應該這麼晚才訂飯店應該要提早訂就不會訂到義大這麼遠的地方去所以這部分我們都有要求學長我很沒有辦法接受耶這些事情還需要你來叮囑\n629085\t648336\t這都是一個辦大型賽事本來就應該要知道的一些概念了已經不是細節了所以我覺得這個事情我覺得要叮囑以後相關重大賽事絕對不可以發生這樣的事情何況這個場地本席還知道有很多青少年的指標賽事在這個地方我覺得對球員的傷害是很大的所以我想我們體育署馬上就要變成運動部了\n651618\t670550\t那看起來這個凝結部長好像也有那麼一點端倪出現那未來我們每年掌握兩百億的體育預算我們希望這相關的事情絕對不能再發生這個署長或者未來有希望的部長你可以承諾嗎幫委員這部分我們會盡最大的努力去防止這種事情再次發生好 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有請鄭部長\n委員早安部長早我想在4月3號這個川普宣布了一個對台32%的關稅這是非常震撼但是這個前夕有另外一個新聞我相信教育部也看到就在3月31號美國貿易代表署在2025年對外貿易障礙評估的報告當中直接點名台灣限制美豬美牛馬鈴薯基改食品等政策是不必要的貿易障礙甚至於他\n直接要求我国要取消学童营养午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令那我知道教育部在第一时间也看到这个新闻那我非常非常的重视也非常在意这样的一个讲法那我们来看到部长也很了解这个我们在学校卫生法第23条第三项也有明文规定学校这个供应膳食要优先\n不管是我們在地的農產農業產品並且最重要是這一條禁止使用含基因改造生鮮食材及其粗積加工品這在我們學校衛生法第23條當中明定得非常的清楚那當然在這一次美國的要求當中我覺得我要讚許一下教育部我想部長第一個\n你回覆得非常的快速第二個你也回覆得非常的明確也就是說您的回應是說依法禁用並落實執行那將來會透過韓式基改食品的範圍修正午餐的契約範本等等我想這是值得讚許的但是部長我們來看過去\n我國也有曾經禁止過美牛美豬有相關的這個限制喔可是呢也都在美國強大壓力之下被迫做了開放喔那現在我們看到美國這32%所謂的懲罰性的關稅擺在眼前喔那對我們的影響非常的大喔那我們也看到那政府現在不斷的宣布說我們要加碼採購包括軍火農產品電子資訊石化天然氣等等產業喔看起來我們有在一路退讓並且希望喔\n能夠討好或是更和諧的跟美國相處所以我非常的憂心我們政府到最後會不會退道拿學童的健康來作為談判的籌碼尤其是在基改的部分還有美豬標示的部分會影響我們孩子的營養午餐\n那我們現在看到鄭麗君這個副院長即將要率團去美國來做談判那部長今天本席希望在這裡能夠得知你確切的態度你身為我們全國孩子的大家長你會不會繼續來捍衛我們孩童的健康對於我們現在現行的學校衛生法在第23條這個部分尤其是禁止這個基因改造的食品進入這個學校園內你一樣會依法來做這是第一個問題第二個\n那一样的问题教育部现在版本的这个学校公餐法的草案正在行政院来研修那这个针对禁止使用含基因改造生鲜食材及其初级加控品的这个部分那本席想要了解有没有明确的放在研修的条文之中因为如果没有的话我觉得他非常堪忧以上两点让部长做个说明\n現在委員關心這個基改的一個實務是不是會影響到我們學童的一個健康那我想我們學校衛生法裡面23條當然有規範那我也要利用這個機會跟委員報告許多科學的研究 生技醫學的一些研究事實上全世界都投入相當大的一些研究的機會在研究\n有越來越多的一些證據包括剛才部長我們可不可以比較明確告訴我一下待會還有體育署的問題我們很多的科學研究證據如果它對人體它事實上是越來越多的證據是不會產生傷害我想就人才的培育或者在教育的場域我們怎麼樣適度的讓這個社會大眾知道然後有許多的一些部長我聽您的意思是說\n您可能要有條件去調整學校衛生法第二十三條基改進入校園的這個部分嗎我現在沒有特別的態度我的意思是說以我目前來講當然學校衛生法那我們在使用優良的這個國產豬或是國有的一些有這個3Q\n那個3Q3張1Q3張1Q的這樣一個標章你被優良的一些這一個所謂的部長那我就請教你喔對於現在美國所說的這個點名台灣限制美豬美牛馬鈴薯基改食品政策是不必要的貿易障礙要求我們解除這個部分你會同意嗎還是在鄭麗君部長即將要去美國之前你也會強烈的反應說我們不同意西上海豬的健康讓更多的科學證據如果我先\n不是 部長 按照科學的證據這件事情我想以後有很大的討論空間但現在 部長不好意思部長您先聽我把話講完我希望這題不要浪費太多的時間因為等一下我不知道這個召委還會不會給我時間我們要討論足球的部分\n但是這題非常的重要我相信我們所有教文的委員正在關心中您剛剛所提的這些東西我們目前的法令限制得很清楚嘛非常清楚除非你修法那麼如果我們現在並沒有修法而在這一次美國祭出懲罰性的32%關稅我們有很多地方必須要讓步我想在必要讓步的地方其實國人能夠體諒但是要拿學生的健康去交換就我本人啦我是敵死不從啦\n所以呢部長原本我剛剛還有稱讚您說為了我們孩童的健康你在第一時間回應我們一切依法禁用但現在今天聽您的態度好像不是那麼肯定您能不能說清楚一點我想我的態度已經很清楚我們現在的法令跟我們現在實際的這個營養午餐把這個好的一個食材放在這個企業的規範目前就是這樣做但是我要跟委員報告你還是會欣賞我的\n我還是會欣賞你的但你要有讓我欣賞的作為我希望他是有更多的科學證據而不是要因為這樣來部長我想這樣好不好這個部分我希望現在在我們法令一樣是這樣規範嚴格的去保障我們孩子營養午餐的健康的當中\n那我們不能改變所以鄭麗君副院長即將要去美國談判我覺得這條底線一定要守住我們絕對不可以犧牲孩子的健康去做任何的交換因為任何東西交換回來都挽救不了學生的健康我想我們絕對不會交換學童的健康我跟委員的不一樣不然我希望你讓我繼續欣賞你謝謝那我們請鄭士忠署長\n請鄭部長 鄭署長這討論出什麼這是討論出什麼玄機所以我們運動部非常有可能現在就要恭喜鄭部長趙委是說我也可以當運動部部長你這個救援的有一點牽強喔這個會後我想大家要來了解一下是我們已經知道大概就是要可以恭喜鄭署長變鄭部長了是吧\n包委也沒有這回事目前沒有這回事好那謝謝昭偉今天有美顏好 昭偉不好意思等一下多給我一分鐘的時間一樣我們現在來談我們就是中華女足跟這個牛心蘭女足剛才我們那個柯政委員也有提到不過我真的要提一下因為我們在上一屆的時候就有提過這個男子足球場其實在109年5月興建的時候赤字3.5億但當時我們體育署也有補助了2.38億也是高達將近七成其實體育署補助的\n那可是後來呢其實在驗收的時候不符合這個國際標準那既然不符合國際標準那為什麼足協啊辦這種國際賽事呢還要去選擇一個不符合國際標準的場地這第一個那第二個呢那事實上本來啊\n如果還有這個台北田徑場跟這個高雄國家體育場可是看起來租界不到然後呢這個場地現在男子主場又不符合國際的標準那為什麼足協在場地還沒有確認之前呢就倉促的去來邀約進行這個友誼賽讓國家變成說人家講說這是一個國恥啊可不可以說明一下\n報告委員 這個球場它本身在副球場它是人工草皮後來在去年有通過國際的認證通過了嗎對 主球場它本身是天然草皮它是不需要任何的認證它就可以進行國際賽事但是它這一次的問題主要是在草皮養護這部分沒有做好所以才會造成這個大賽的問題那既然這個署長你都知道說是草皮養護不好你都知道這個問題那我們這個草皮養護應該是誰來做這責任在誰呢\n報告委員這部分還是要足協在比賽之前幾個月至少一個月至少都已經要開始做加強草皮養護很好如果署長你也知道那請問一下足協會不會知道這麼基本的一個概念報告委員其實我在去年三四月在台北田徑場那一場對阿曼我就已經輔導他們就已經有做要求那這一次他們沒有做好這部分我們會再做懲處所以署長你要求無法要求要求不動這個足協是這樣意思嗎我覺得是他們技術部門跟競賽部門本身真的在這件事情真的沒有做好了\n那不可以這樣子啊這都是一種很基本的概念對不對這麼基本的概念有概念不落實沒有用嘛對不對所以這一次我覺得這個是一個非常難看的一個狀態啦那再來你看喔其實我們台灣女子足球的這個足球員的一個公會他們也有提出來說像這一次我們這個國家代表隊他們的這個球員等等教練也都沒有獲邀\n不管是進行相關的這個球賽的事項討論或是現場去看一個場地的一個狀況其實他們也覺得非常不受到重視那當然就衍生出來說這個代表隊本身還有一些其他的裝備還有專業能力後勤的資源等等不足說真的我們要發展我們的體育其實相關的支持是很重要所以署長你有沒有去了解那足協不邀請代表隊來討論場地或者是給予其他支持的原因是什麼報告委員女子隊的總教練是在現場她有來\n那後勤的部分我有去也是責難足球協會在後勤的部分既然知道是廉價就不應該這麼晚才訂飯店應該要提早訂就不會訂到義大這麼遠的地方去所以這部分我們都有要求學長我很沒有辦法接受耶這些事情還需要你來叮囑\n這都是一個辦大型賽事本來就應該要知道的一些概念了已經不是細節了所以我覺得這個事情我覺得要叮囑以後相關重大賽事絕對不可以發生這樣的事情何況這個場地本席還知道有很多青少年的指標賽事在這個地方我覺得對球員的傷害是很大的所以我想我們體育署馬上就要變成運動部了\n那看起來這個凝結部長好像也有那麼一點端倪出現那未來我們每年掌握兩百億的體育預算我們希望這相關的事情絕對不能再發生這個署長或者未來有希望的部長你可以承諾嗎幫委員這部分我們會盡最大的努力去防止這種事情再次發生好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝萬美玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.350 --> 00:08.762\n萬美玲委員好謝謝召委我們有請鄭部長好有請鄭部長\n\n00:17.782 --> 00:43.919\n委員早安部長早我想在4月3號這個川普宣布了一個對台32%的關稅這是非常震撼但是這個前夕有另外一個新聞我相信教育部也看到就在3月31號美國貿易代表署在2025年對外貿易障礙評估的報告當中直接點名台灣限制美豬美牛馬鈴薯基改食品等政策是不必要的貿易障礙甚至於他\n\n00:44.119 --> 01:06.050\n直接要求我国要取消学童营养午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令那我知道教育部在第一时间也看到这个新闻那我非常非常的重视也非常在意这样的一个讲法那我们来看到部长也很了解这个我们在学校卫生法第23条第三项也有明文规定学校这个供应膳食要优先\n\n01:06.690 --> 01:26.706\n不管是我們在地的農產農業產品並且最重要是這一條禁止使用含基因改造生鮮食材及其粗積加工品這在我們學校衛生法第23條當中明定得非常的清楚那當然在這一次美國的要求當中我覺得我要讚許一下教育部我想部長第一個\n\n01:27.807 --> 01:46.348\n你回覆得非常的快速第二個你也回覆得非常的明確也就是說您的回應是說依法禁用並落實執行那將來會透過韓式基改食品的範圍修正午餐的契約範本等等我想這是值得讚許的但是部長我們來看過去\n\n01:48.891 --> 02:02.680\n我國也有曾經禁止過美牛美豬有相關的這個限制喔可是呢也都在美國強大壓力之下被迫做了開放喔那現在我們看到美國這32%所謂的懲罰性的關稅擺在眼前喔那對我們的影響非常的大喔那我們也看到那政府現在不斷的宣布說我們要加碼採購包括軍火農產品電子資訊石化天然氣等等產業喔看起來我們有在一路退讓並且希望喔\n\n02:16.368 --> 02:25.651\n能夠討好或是更和諧的跟美國相處所以我非常的憂心我們政府到最後會不會退道拿學童的健康來作為談判的籌碼尤其是在基改的部分還有美豬標示的部分會影響我們孩子的營養午餐\n\n02:31.793 --> 02:56.826\n那我們現在看到鄭麗君這個副院長即將要率團去美國來做談判那部長今天本席希望在這裡能夠得知你確切的態度你身為我們全國孩子的大家長你會不會繼續來捍衛我們孩童的健康對於我們現在現行的學校衛生法在第23條這個部分尤其是禁止這個基因改造的食品進入這個學校園內你一樣會依法來做這是第一個問題第二個\n\n02:58.587 --> 03:18.004\n那一样的问题教育部现在版本的这个学校公餐法的草案正在行政院来研修那这个针对禁止使用含基因改造生鲜食材及其初级加控品的这个部分那本席想要了解有没有明确的放在研修的条文之中因为如果没有的话我觉得他非常堪忧以上两点让部长做个说明\n\n03:19.794 --> 03:41.583\n現在委員關心這個基改的一個實務是不是會影響到我們學童的一個健康那我想我們學校衛生法裡面23條當然有規範那我也要利用這個機會跟委員報告許多科學的研究生技醫學的一些研究事實上全世界都投入相當大的一些研究的機會在研究\n\n03:42.944 --> 03:51.729\n有越來越多的一些證據包括剛才部長我們可不可以比較明確告訴我一下待會還有體育署的問題我們很多的科學研究證據如果它對人體它事實上是越來越多的證據是不會產生傷害我想就人才的培育或者在教育的場域我們怎麼樣適度的讓這個社會大眾知道然後有許多的一些部長我聽您的意思是說\n\n04:09.358 --> 04:19.543\n您可能要有條件去調整學校衛生法第二十三條基改進入校園的這個部分嗎我現在沒有特別的態度我的意思是說以我目前來講當然學校衛生法那我們在使用優良的這個國產豬或是國有的一些有這個3Q\n\n04:29.266 --> 04:58.163\n那個3Q3張1Q3張1Q的這樣一個標章你被優良的一些這一個所謂的部長那我就請教你喔對於現在美國所說的這個點名台灣限制美豬美牛馬鈴薯基改食品政策是不必要的貿易障礙要求我們解除這個部分你會同意嗎還是在鄭麗君部長即將要去美國之前你也會強烈的反應說我們不同意西上海豬的健康讓更多的科學證據如果我先\n\n04:58.943 --> 05:07.006\n不是部長按照科學的證據這件事情我想以後有很大的討論空間但現在部長不好意思部長您先聽我把話講完我希望這題不要浪費太多的時間因為等一下我不知道這個召委還會不會給我時間我們要討論足球的部分\n\n05:16.229 --> 05:41.923\n但是這題非常的重要我相信我們所有教文的委員正在關心中您剛剛所提的這些東西我們目前的法令限制得很清楚嘛非常清楚除非你修法那麼如果我們現在並沒有修法而在這一次美國祭出懲罰性的32%關稅我們有很多地方必須要讓步我想在必要讓步的地方其實國人能夠體諒但是要拿學生的健康去交換就我本人啦我是敵死不從啦\n\n05:42.603 --> 06:09.369\n所以呢部長原本我剛剛還有稱讚您說為了我們孩童的健康你在第一時間回應我們一切依法禁用但現在今天聽您的態度好像不是那麼肯定您能不能說清楚一點我想我的態度已經很清楚我們現在的法令跟我們現在實際的這個營養午餐把這個好的一個食材放在這個企業的規範目前就是這樣做但是我要跟委員報告你還是會欣賞我的\n\n06:10.649 --> 06:14.514\n我還是會欣賞你的但你要有讓我欣賞的作為我希望他是有更多的科學證據而不是要因為這樣來部長我想這樣好不好這個部分我希望現在在我們法令一樣是這樣規範嚴格的去保障我們孩子營養午餐的健康的當中\n\n06:30.293 --> 06:48.006\n那我們不能改變所以鄭麗君副院長即將要去美國談判我覺得這條底線一定要守住我們絕對不可以犧牲孩子的健康去做任何的交換因為任何東西交換回來都挽救不了學生的健康我想我們絕對不會交換學童的健康我跟委員的不一樣不然我希望你讓我繼續欣賞你謝謝那我們請鄭士忠署長\n\n06:52.636 --> 07:15.775\n請鄭部長鄭署長這討論出什麼這是討論出什麼玄機所以我們運動部非常有可能現在就要恭喜鄭部長趙委是說我也可以當運動部部長你這個救援的有一點牽強喔這個會後我想大家要來了解一下是我們已經知道大概就是要可以恭喜鄭署長變鄭部長了是吧\n\n07:18.223 --> 07:46.800\n包委也沒有這回事目前沒有這回事好那謝謝昭偉今天有美顏好昭偉不好意思等一下多給我一分鐘的時間一樣我們現在來談我們就是中華女足跟這個牛心蘭女足剛才我們那個柯政委員也有提到不過我真的要提一下因為我們在上一屆的時候就有提過這個男子足球場其實在109年5月興建的時候赤字3.5億但當時我們體育署也有補助了2.38億也是高達將近七成其實體育署補助的\n\n07:47.680 --> 07:51.003\n那可是後來呢其實在驗收的時候不符合這個國際標準那既然不符合國際標準那為什麼足協啊辦這種國際賽事呢還要去選擇一個不符合國際標準的場地這第一個那第二個呢那事實上本來啊\n\n08:03.092 --> 08:16.822\n如果還有這個台北田徑場跟這個高雄國家體育場可是看起來租界不到然後呢這個場地現在男子主場又不符合國際的標準那為什麼足協在場地還沒有確認之前呢就倉促的去來邀約進行這個友誼賽讓國家變成說人家講說這是一個國恥啊可不可以說明一下\n\n08:21.385 --> 08:41.838\n報告委員這個球場它本身在副球場它是人工草皮後來在去年有通過國際的認證通過了嗎對主球場它本身是天然草皮它是不需要任何的認證它就可以進行國際賽事但是它這一次的問題主要是在草皮養護這部分沒有做好所以才會造成這個大賽的問題那既然這個署長你都知道說是草皮養護不好你都知道這個問題那我們這個草皮養護應該是誰來做這責任在誰呢\n\n08:48.863 --> 09:18.030\n報告委員這部分還是要足協在比賽之前幾個月至少一個月至少都已經要開始做加強草皮養護很好如果署長你也知道那請問一下足協會不會知道這麼基本的一個概念報告委員其實我在去年三四月在台北田徑場那一場對阿曼我就已經輔導他們就已經有做要求那這一次他們沒有做好這部分我們會再做懲處所以署長你要求無法要求要求不動這個足協是這樣意思嗎我覺得是他們技術部門跟競賽部門本身真的在這件事情真的沒有做好了\n\n09:18.652 --> 09:40.758\n那不可以這樣子啊這都是一種很基本的概念對不對這麼基本的概念有概念不落實沒有用嘛對不對所以這一次我覺得這個是一個非常難看的一個狀態啦那再來你看喔其實我們台灣女子足球的這個足球員的一個公會他們也有提出來說像這一次我們這個國家代表隊他們的這個球員等等教練也都沒有獲邀\n\n09:41.338 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