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00:01:54,525\n到底這一波對於台灣的各式各樣的產業或者是說全球現在大家急著要去跟美國政府談你們的評估能夠談出什麼東西出來對台灣來說台灣有些什麼樣的優勢或者是台灣能夠怎麼樣從這個困境裡頭逃脫兩位誰可以回答\n\n5\n00:02:02,683 --> 00:02:13,979\n跟委員報告我的看法是台灣不論是全球來講所有的AIServer90%都在台灣廠商的手上對\n\n6\n00:02:15,717 --> 00:02:39,266\n晶片也在我們的手上但是我們的客戶其實都是美國公司所以我們跟美國的廠商是一個百分之百很很審密的結合在一起的一個供應鏈那這個供應鏈呢其實我們彼此是互惠的所以美國廠商其實也很幫台灣在講話那我們也積極在溝通因為在這個供應鏈的替代過程中不會那麼快速\n\n7\n00:02:39,986 --> 00:02:55,417\n不會那麼快速所以呢我們是有一定的優勢去談第二個我們過去台灣跟美國建立很好的關係那這個關係也讓我們有比較好的管道在溝通中主委我們當然知道台灣過去跟美國建立很好的關係\n\n8\n00:02:56,138 --> 00:03:25,220\n但是現在在野黨的批評就是說你們一直講跟美國建立很好的關係可是我們被課徵高的關稅我相信待會來的在野黨的委員一定是這樣問你的所以你講說台美關係很好但是我們卻被課徵高的關稅政府要怎麼樣的解釋要怎麼樣的自圓其說或者是說您可以告訴大家我們這一次派去要跟人家談判要去跟美國政府談\n\n9\n00:03:26,738 --> 00:03:55,237\n真的除了台美關係良好之外我們還有什麼東西可以拿出來跟人家談減少台灣在整體這個關稅上面的損失這兩件事情我第一個先說明一下因為我在外美商待過很久他在處理這種事情上面他會有一個通則先走所以這一次的關稅是用一個公式以逆差為核心的公式算出來的那其實這是一個全球的標準不會是針對誰或誰\n\n10\n00:03:56,818 --> 00:03:57,740\n但是這個標準出來以後基本上他會開始有一些可談判的空間\n\n11\n00:04:02,324 --> 00:04:29,013\n所以這是美國一貫的做法那我們接下來就是利用這個時間開始進入談判的空間只是就媒體報導川普自己講有超過60個國家在排隊了那我們應該會在比較優先的位置我個人的判斷那我們的籌碼其實就我了解我們有做很多的準備只是談判的籌碼是不可能公告出來影響到談判的結果那我這個時候我也呼籲國人其實我們國家遇到困難\n\n12\n00:04:30,153 --> 00:04:48,119\n不要再扯後退我們應該一起面對問題如果有建設性的意見應該可以提出來而不是一直扯大家在努力的後退這是我想順便也提主委您的這個看法我是完全同意我問一個比較我不曉得您可不可以回答就是我們的談判代表出發了沒\n\n13\n00:04:51,902 --> 00:05:09,882\n這個不在我的層次裡面我接下來還是問一下總統大概有五大指示所以如果對照您剛剛的說法您對於總統的這五大指示你覺得台灣能不能做得到\n\n14\n00:05:12,309 --> 00:05:38,724\n總統做事的決心這個不會是只有總統做事的決心這個關乎到兩國之間的這種互相信任跟我們整體的經貿談判的力道跟這個經驗度你單單最後一個要解決美方長期關切的這個洗產地的問題台灣能不能做得到洗產地的問題其實我們現在有一連串的措施正在進行查核中我們很有信心\n\n15\n00:05:39,565 --> 00:06:02,791\n好那我要請教一下你們就是說我們在對於跟美國之間的這一些採購你們是不是已經盤點完了是的都盤點完了已經盤點完了所以你覺得在能源的談判上面其實台灣是還有很多的利多可以釋出是這樣嗎沒錯我想那對於台灣產業的衝擊呢美國的媒體也有露出來這件事情對於台灣產業的衝擊呢比如說美國對台灣執行高的關稅\n\n16\n00:06:07,992 --> 00:06:24,895\n台灣現在說要對美國實行零關稅那未來台灣會不會追隨美國去跟中國科徵比較高的關稅這是幾大問題嘛那我們有很多的廠商其實他的工廠是設在中國\n\n17\n00:06:26,155 --> 00:06:45,544\n他要賣美國他從中國出口要賣去美國已經面臨到很高的關稅了台灣還要再針對他再課增高的關稅您覺得台灣的廠商受不受得了我想一個比較明確的方向已經出現了就是美國現在有可能會對中國課更高的關稅\n\n18\n00:06:46,644 --> 00:07:07,072\n所以我們現在呢我們的這個三大方案裡面有一個跟流台灣方案我們希望提醒廠商不如回自己的家鄉因為台商的主要生產基地的稅都高於台灣我當然知道啊跟流台灣方案其實我們喊很多年這幾年其實有很多廠商已經回來但是現在面臨到馬上面臨到就是這個關稅的問題他或出不出的去啊\n\n19\n00:07:12,054 --> 00:07:14,598\n他貨有可能都已經做好了但是這個關稅這麼高這個稅額是誰要付\n\n20\n00:07:19,013 --> 00:07:33,418\n是對方要付呢還是生產方要付呢還是大家各付一半呢這個我相信這個業者跟他的客戶之間應該有在談談成怎麼樣不知道那我們現在說叫他跟留台灣或者是叫他把廠移回來台灣移回來台灣也沒那麼簡單第一個他在台灣要重新找到可以設廠的土地也蠻困難的\n\n21\n00:07:43,841 --> 00:08:01,278\n第二個他馬上面臨到就是這個高額的關稅科徵的問題所以對於廠商來講他現在是雪上加霜我前兩天去拜訪了高雄的螺絲工會螺絲業者他們其實現在面臨到一個困難就是說他賣也不是不賣也不是那現在美國對中國科徵這麼高的關稅\n\n22\n00:08:07,281 --> 00:08:27,207\n那有可能美國就完全不跟中國買那未來中國的貨也不賣去美國了他直接賣到歐洲去那美國需要的貨跟誰買可能跟台灣的業者買可是台灣的業者要面臨到這麼高的關稅對於台灣的業者來說就是我剛才說的要賣也要死沒買也要死\n\n23\n00:08:32,655 --> 00:08:39,623\n買到買都要料很多錢那剛剛你們講的就是說不要說你們啦就我們政府提到了880億的這個\n\n24\n00:08:43,372 --> 00:08:51,620\n這個金額這個叫做什麼優惠嗎或者是補助880億老實講我覺得是太少那你這個880億要怎麼樣去對有需要的業者補貼能夠補貼他多少比如說你的加速投資利息補貼現在是三年補貼0.7%的這個業者\n\n25\n00:09:08,632 --> 00:09:32,440\n有沒有可能把它擴大那這880億如果很快就用完了那未來還有沒有錢可以再增加還有沒有額度可以再增加這一點我想很多的業者很想問這個我們會滾動式的調整我們也其實有不停的在收集現在我們也每天在收集從公會收集是你們現在要滾動式調整我就問你一個最關鍵的問題錢在哪裡\n\n26\n00:09:35,592 --> 00:09:42,049\n你在立法院你們的這個我們行政院的預算被砍成這樣我們需要立法院的支持就還是需要立法院的支持\n\n27\n00:09:43,390 --> 00:10:07,831\n那也希望立法院大院能夠支持我們這個扶植台灣產業的特別那您覺得立法院可不可以可不可能支持到補貼到2000億左右這個在野黨的主席說880億不夠要增加到2000億我們也希望越多越好啦但是我們還是希望大家能夠如果大家一條心支持的話這也是很重要的\n\n28\n00:10:09,229 --> 00:10:12,214\n我想大家一條心非常關心台灣的產業的未來面對到這樣的一個關稅的衝擊\n\n29\n00:10:16,263 --> 00:10:39,159\n其實我想這個部長也很希望趕快到各地區去了解這些業者的心聲包括這個螺絲工會我想您剛剛講的幾個大產業就我們的了解螺絲工會其實就面臨到最大最巨大的第一線的衝擊螺絲跟石化這個部長那現在大家\n\n30\n00:10:40,256 --> 00:10:55,476\n在立法院這邊你們大概在研擬對策啦有沒有可能直接下鄉去跟業者做面對面的溝通直接了解他們的需求不要說我們畫了很多的大餅我們政策寫得很漂亮\n\n31\n00:10:56,598 --> 00:11:21,565\n可是其實沒有對症下藥我想我們這個座談經濟部已經非常多次了所以我們現在啟動馬上辦中心也就是讓業者直接到我們的園區管理局我們有66個園區管理局跟我們中小企業處有馬上辦中心我們每一家客戶的狀況會不一樣所以我們不用那個大的框架來告訴他們而是每一個客戶你有什麼問題\n\n32\n00:11:22,865 --> 00:11:39,987\n我們來協商幫他解決那我在台北有一個顧問團我們在台北本部有個顧問團也就是說當地沒有辦法回答我們已經設定的這個框架問題的時候送回來台北我要求一天就給他回應這個是我們目前的做法\n\n33\n00:11:40,930 --> 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Server90%都在台灣廠商的手上對\n135717\t159266\t晶片也在我們的手上但是我們的客戶其實都是美國公司所以我們跟美國的廠商是一個百分之百很很審密的結合在一起的一個供應鏈那這個供應鏈呢其實我們彼此是互惠的所以美國廠商其實也很幫台灣在講話那我們也積極在溝通因為在這個供應鏈的替代過程中不會那麼快速\n159986\t175417\t不會那麼快速所以呢我們是有一定的優勢去談第二個我們過去台灣跟美國建立很好的關係那這個關係也讓我們有比較好的管道在溝通中主委我們當然知道台灣過去跟美國建立很好的關係\n176138\t205220\t但是現在在野黨的批評就是說你們一直講跟美國建立很好的關係可是我們被課徵高的關稅我相信待會來的在野黨的委員一定是這樣問你的所以你講說台美關係很好但是我們卻被課徵高的關稅政府要怎麼樣的解釋要怎麼樣的自圓其說或者是說您可以告訴大家我們這一次派去要跟人家談判要去跟美國政府談\n206738\t235237\t真的除了台美關係良好之外我們還有什麼東西可以拿出來跟人家談減少台灣在整體這個關稅上面的損失這兩件事情我第一個先說明一下因為我在外美商待過很久他在處理這種事情上面他會有一個通則先走所以這一次的關稅是用一個公式以逆差為核心的公式算出來的那其實這是一個全球的標準不會是針對誰或誰\n236818\t237740\t但是這個標準出來以後基本上他會開始有一些可談判的空間\n242324\t269013\t所以這是美國一貫的做法那我們接下來就是利用這個時間開始進入談判的空間只是就媒體報導川普自己講有超過60個國家在排隊了那我們應該會在比較優先的位置我個人的判斷那我們的籌碼其實就我了解我們有做很多的準備只是談判的籌碼是不可能公告出來影響到談判的結果那我這個時候我也呼籲國人其實我們國家遇到困難\n270153\t288119\t不要再扯後退我們應該一起面對問題如果有建設性的意見應該可以提出來而不是一直扯大家在努力的後退這是我想順便也提主委您的這個看法我是完全同意我問一個比較我不曉得您可不可以回答就是我們的談判代表出發了沒\n291902\t309882\t這個不在我的層次裡面我接下來還是問一下總統大概有五大指示所以如果對照您剛剛的說法您對於總統的這五大指示你覺得台灣能不能做得到\n312309\t338724\t總統做事的決心這個不會是只有總統做事的決心這個關乎到兩國之間的這種互相信任跟我們整體的經貿談判的力道跟這個經驗度你單單最後一個要解決美方長期關切的這個洗產地的問題台灣能不能做得到洗產地的問題其實我們現在有一連串的措施正在進行查核中我們很有信心\n339565\t362791\t好那我要請教一下你們就是說我們在對於跟美國之間的這一些採購你們是不是已經盤點完了是的都盤點完了已經盤點完了所以你覺得在能源的談判上面其實台灣是還有很多的利多可以釋出是這樣嗎沒錯我想那對於台灣產業的衝擊呢美國的媒體也有露出來這件事情對於台灣產業的衝擊呢比如說美國對台灣執行高的關稅\n367992\t384895\t台灣現在說要對美國實行零關稅那未來台灣會不會追隨美國去跟中國科徵比較高的關稅這是幾大問題嘛那我們有很多的廠商其實他的工廠是設在中國\n386155\t405544\t他要賣美國他從中國出口要賣去美國已經面臨到很高的關稅了台灣還要再針對他再課增高的關稅您覺得台灣的廠商受不受得了我想一個比較明確的方向已經出現了就是美國現在有可能會對中國課更高的關稅\n406644\t427072\t所以我們現在呢我們的這個三大方案裡面有一個跟流台灣方案我們希望提醒廠商不如回自己的家鄉因為台商的主要生產基地的稅都高於台灣我當然知道啊跟流台灣方案其實我們喊很多年這幾年其實有很多廠商已經回來但是現在面臨到馬上面臨到就是這個關稅的問題他或出不出的去啊\n432054\t434598\t他貨有可能都已經做好了但是這個關稅這麼高這個稅額是誰要付\n439013\t453418\t是對方要付呢還是生產方要付呢還是大家各付一半呢這個我相信這個業者跟他的客戶之間應該有在談談成怎麼樣不知道那我們現在說叫他跟留台灣或者是叫他把廠移回來台灣移回來台灣也沒那麼簡單第一個他在台灣要重新找到可以設廠的土地也蠻困難的\n463841\t481278\t第二個他馬上面臨到就是這個高額的關稅科徵的問題所以對於廠商來講他現在是雪上加霜我前兩天去拜訪了高雄的螺絲工會螺絲業者他們其實現在面臨到一個困難就是說他賣也不是不賣也不是那現在美國對中國科徵這麼高的關稅\n487281\t507207\t那有可能美國就完全不跟中國買那未來中國的貨也不賣去美國了他直接賣到歐洲去那美國需要的貨跟誰買可能跟台灣的業者買可是台灣的業者要面臨到這麼高的關稅對於台灣的業者來說就是我剛才說的要賣也要死沒買也要死\n512655\t519623\t買到買都要料很多錢那剛剛你們講的就是說不要說你們啦就我們政府提到了880億的這個\n523372\t531620\t這個金額這個叫做什麼優惠嗎或者是補助880億老實講我覺得是太少那你這個880億要怎麼樣去對有需要的業者補貼能夠補貼他多少比如說你的加速投資利息補貼現在是三年補貼0.7%的這個業者\n548632\t572440\t有沒有可能把它擴大那這880億如果很快就用完了那未來還有沒有錢可以再增加還有沒有額度可以再增加這一點我想很多的業者很想問這個我們會滾動式的調整我們也其實有不停的在收集現在我們也每天在收集從公會收集是你們現在要滾動式調整我就問你一個最關鍵的問題錢在哪裡\n575592\t582049\t你在立法院你們的這個我們行政院的預算被砍成這樣我們需要立法院的支持就還是需要立法院的支持\n583390\t607831\t那也希望立法院大院能夠支持我們這個扶植台灣產業的特別那您覺得立法院可不可以可不可能支持到補貼到2000億左右這個在野黨的主席說880億不夠要增加到2000億我們也希望越多越好啦但是我們還是希望大家能夠如果大家一條心支持的話這也是很重要的\n609229\t612214\t我想大家一條心非常關心台灣的產業的未來面對到這樣的一個關稅的衝擊\n616263\t639159\t其實我想這個部長也很希望趕快到各地區去了解這些業者的心聲包括這個螺絲工會我想您剛剛講的幾個大產業就我們的了解螺絲工會其實就面臨到最大最巨大的第一線的衝擊螺絲跟石化這個部長那現在大家\n640256\t655476\t在立法院這邊你們大概在研擬對策啦有沒有可能直接下鄉去跟業者做面對面的溝通直接了解他們的需求不要說我們畫了很多的大餅我們政策寫得很漂亮\n656598\t681565\t可是其實沒有對症下藥我想我們這個座談經濟部已經非常多次了所以我們現在啟動馬上辦中心也就是讓業者直接到我們的園區管理局我們有66個園區管理局跟我們中小企業處有馬上辦中心我們每一家客戶的狀況會不一樣所以我們不用那個大的框架來告訴他們而是每一個客戶你有什麼問題\n682865\t699987\t我們來協商幫他解決那我在台北有一個顧問團我們在台北本部有個顧問團也就是說當地沒有辦法回答我們已經設定的這個框架問題的時候送回來台北我要求一天就給他回應這個是我們目前的做法\n700930\t707353\t部長我想這個問題其實牽扯到還非常的長遠今天只是剛開始當然股市跌了三天四天的但是整體的考驗整體的狀態今天才剛開始我覺得我們大概全民上下都應該責無旁貸密切觀察然後隨時在政策上面能夠對於我們的業者能夠有什麼樣的照顧對於我們的產業能夠有什麼樣的扶植我們都應該隨時滾動式提出\n730734\t733179\t具體的方案出來好不好是的謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我是不是請一下部長跟國發會主委好了郭部長 劉主委委員早部長早 主委早這個我看得出兩位的臉色不太好看\n這個對整體的經濟發展應該是憂心忡忡對國際的局勢應該是憂心忡忡台股在前天開盤就跌了2000多點我剛剛一路一直在看著今天的台股股市雖然國安基金進場了但是現在看起來狀況也不是太樂觀現在好像也下跌300多點這個剛剛部長跟主委兩位的報告\n我還是想要直接針對問題請教其實對於川普總統的這樣的一個關稅政策在全球引發了軒然大波那當然他在今天中午4月9號美國的時間中午以後才會美國時間才要開始正式來實施我想請教兩位台灣的經濟大概掌握在經濟部跟國發會的手上你們怎麼看\n到底這一波對於台灣的各式各樣的產業或者是說全球現在大家急著要去跟美國政府談你們的評估能夠談出什麼東西出來對台灣來說台灣有些什麼樣的優勢或者是台灣能夠怎麼樣從這個困境裡頭逃脫兩位誰可以回答\n跟委員報告我的看法是台灣不論是全球來講所有的AI Server90%都在台灣廠商的手上對\n晶片也在我們的手上但是我們的客戶其實都是美國公司所以我們跟美國的廠商是一個百分之百很很審密的結合在一起的一個供應鏈那這個供應鏈呢其實我們彼此是互惠的所以美國廠商其實也很幫台灣在講話那我們也積極在溝通因為在這個供應鏈的替代過程中不會那麼快速\n不會那麼快速所以呢我們是有一定的優勢去談第二個我們過去台灣跟美國建立很好的關係那這個關係也讓我們有比較好的管道在溝通中主委我們當然知道台灣過去跟美國建立很好的關係\n但是現在在野黨的批評就是說你們一直講跟美國建立很好的關係可是我們被課徵高的關稅我相信待會來的在野黨的委員一定是這樣問你的所以你講說台美關係很好但是我們卻被課徵高的關稅政府要怎麼樣的解釋要怎麼樣的自圓其說或者是說您可以告訴大家我們這一次派去要跟人家談判要去跟美國政府談\n真的除了台美關係良好之外我們還有什麼東西可以拿出來跟人家談減少台灣在整體這個關稅上面的損失這兩件事情我第一個先說明一下因為我在外美商待過很久他在處理這種事情上面他會有一個通則先走所以這一次的關稅是用一個公式以逆差為核心的公式算出來的那其實這是一個全球的標準不會是針對誰或誰\n但是這個標準出來以後基本上他會開始有一些可談判的空間\n所以這是美國一貫的做法那我們接下來就是利用這個時間開始進入談判的空間只是就媒體報導川普自己講有超過60個國家在排隊了那我們應該會在比較優先的位置我個人的判斷那我們的籌碼其實就我了解我們有做很多的準備只是談判的籌碼是不可能公告出來影響到談判的結果那我這個時候我也呼籲國人其實我們國家遇到困難\n不要再扯後退我們應該一起面對問題如果有建設性的意見應該可以提出來而不是一直扯大家在努力的後退這是我想順便也提主委您的這個看法我是完全同意我問一個比較我不曉得您可不可以回答就是我們的談判代表出發了沒\n這個不在我的層次裡面我接下來還是問一下總統大概有五大指示所以如果對照您剛剛的說法您對於總統的這五大指示你覺得台灣能不能做得到\n總統做事的決心這個不會是只有總統做事的決心這個關乎到兩國之間的這種互相信任跟我們整體的經貿談判的力道跟這個經驗度你單單最後一個要解決美方長期關切的這個洗產地的問題台灣能不能做得到洗產地的問題其實我們現在有一連串的措施正在進行查核中我們很有信心\n好那我要請教一下你們就是說我們在對於跟美國之間的這一些採購你們是不是已經盤點完了是的都盤點完了已經盤點完了所以你覺得在能源的談判上面其實台灣是還有很多的利多可以釋出是這樣嗎沒錯我想那對於台灣產業的衝擊呢美國的媒體也有露出來這件事情對於台灣產業的衝擊呢比如說美國對台灣執行高的關稅\n台灣現在說要對美國實行零關稅那未來台灣會不會追隨美國去跟中國科徵比較高的關稅這是幾大問題嘛那我們有很多的廠商其實他的工廠是設在中國\n他要賣美國他從中國出口要賣去美國已經面臨到很高的關稅了台灣還要再針對他再課增高的關稅您覺得台灣的廠商受不受得了我想一個比較明確的方向已經出現了就是美國現在有可能會對中國課更高的關稅\n所以我們現在呢我們的這個三大方案裡面有一個跟流台灣方案我們希望提醒廠商不如回自己的家鄉因為台商的主要生產基地的稅都高於台灣我當然知道啊跟流台灣方案其實我們喊很多年這幾年其實有很多廠商已經回來但是現在面臨到馬上面臨到就是這個關稅的問題他或出不出的去啊\n他貨有可能都已經做好了但是這個關稅這麼高這個稅額是誰要付\n是對方要付呢還是生產方要付呢還是大家各付一半呢這個我相信這個業者跟他的客戶之間應該有在談談成怎麼樣不知道那我們現在說叫他跟留台灣或者是叫他把廠移回來台灣移回來台灣也沒那麼簡單第一個他在台灣要重新找到可以設廠的土地也蠻困難的\n第二個他馬上面臨到就是這個高額的關稅科徵的問題所以對於廠商來講他現在是雪上加霜我前兩天去拜訪了高雄的螺絲工會螺絲業者他們其實現在面臨到一個困難就是說他賣也不是不賣也不是那現在美國對中國科徵這麼高的關稅\n那有可能美國就完全不跟中國買那未來中國的貨也不賣去美國了他直接賣到歐洲去那美國需要的貨跟誰買可能跟台灣的業者買可是台灣的業者要面臨到這麼高的關稅對於台灣的業者來說就是我剛才說的要賣也要死沒買也要死\n買到買都要料很多錢那剛剛你們講的就是說不要說你們啦就我們政府提到了880億的這個\n這個金額這個叫做什麼優惠嗎或者是補助880億老實講我覺得是太少那你這個880億要怎麼樣去對有需要的業者補貼能夠補貼他多少比如說你的加速投資利息補貼現在是三年補貼0.7%的這個業者\n有沒有可能把它擴大那這880億如果很快就用完了那未來還有沒有錢可以再增加還有沒有額度可以再增加這一點我想很多的業者很想問這個我們會滾動式的調整我們也其實有不停的在收集現在我們也每天在收集從公會收集是你們現在要滾動式調整我就問你一個最關鍵的問題錢在哪裡\n你在立法院你們的這個我們行政院的預算被砍成這樣我們需要立法院的支持就還是需要立法院的支持\n那也希望立法院大院能夠支持我們這個扶植台灣產業的特別那您覺得立法院可不可以可不可能支持到補貼到2000億左右這個在野黨的主席說880億不夠要增加到2000億我們也希望越多越好啦但是我們還是希望大家能夠如果大家一條心支持的話這也是很重要的\n我想大家一條心非常關心台灣的產業的未來面對到這樣的一個關稅的衝擊\n其實我想這個部長也很希望趕快到各地區去了解這些業者的心聲包括這個螺絲工會我想您剛剛講的幾個大產業就我們的了解螺絲工會其實就面臨到最大最巨大的第一線的衝擊螺絲跟石化這個部長那現在大家\n在立法院這邊你們大概在研擬對策啦有沒有可能直接下鄉去跟業者做面對面的溝通直接了解他們的需求不要說我們畫了很多的大餅我們政策寫得很漂亮\n可是其實沒有對症下藥我想我們這個座談經濟部已經非常多次了所以我們現在啟動馬上辦中心也就是讓業者直接到我們的園區管理局我們有66個園區管理局跟我們中小企業處有馬上辦中心我們每一家客戶的狀況會不一樣所以我們不用那個大的框架來告訴他們而是每一個客戶你有什麼問題\n我們來協商幫他解決那我在台北有一個顧問團我們在台北本部有個顧問團也就是說當地沒有辦法回答我們已經設定的這個框架問題的時候送回來台北我要求一天就給他回應這個是我們目前的做法\n部長我想這個問題其實牽扯到還非常的長遠今天只是剛開始當然股市跌了三天四天的但是整體的考驗整體的狀態今天才剛開始我覺得我們大概全民上下都應該責無旁貸密切觀察然後隨時在政策上面能夠對於我們的業者能夠有什麼樣的照顧對於我們的產業能夠有什麼樣的扶植我們都應該隨時滾動式提出\n具體的方案出來好不好是的謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.352 --> 00:35.769\n謝謝主席我是不是請一下部長跟國發會主委好了郭部長劉主委委員早部長早主委早這個我看得出兩位的臉色不太好看\n\n00:37.566 --> 01:02.837\n這個對整體的經濟發展應該是憂心忡忡對國際的局勢應該是憂心忡忡台股在前天開盤就跌了2000多點我剛剛一路一直在看著今天的台股股市雖然國安基金進場了但是現在看起來狀況也不是太樂觀現在好像也下跌300多點這個剛剛部長跟主委兩位的報告\n\n01:04.110 --> 01:31.564\n我還是想要直接針對問題請教其實對於川普總統的這樣的一個關稅政策在全球引發了軒然大波那當然他在今天中午4月9號美國的時間中午以後才會美國時間才要開始正式來實施我想請教兩位台灣的經濟大概掌握在經濟部跟國發會的手上你們怎麼看\n\n01:32.810 --> 01:54.525\n到底這一波對於台灣的各式各樣的產業或者是說全球現在大家急著要去跟美國政府談你們的評估能夠談出什麼東西出來對台灣來說台灣有些什麼樣的優勢或者是台灣能夠怎麼樣從這個困境裡頭逃脫兩位誰可以回答\n\n02:02.683 --> 02:13.979\n跟委員報告我的看法是台灣不論是全球來講所有的AIServer90%都在台灣廠商的手上對\n\n02:15.717 --> 02:39.266\n晶片也在我們的手上但是我們的客戶其實都是美國公司所以我們跟美國的廠商是一個百分之百很很審密的結合在一起的一個供應鏈那這個供應鏈呢其實我們彼此是互惠的所以美國廠商其實也很幫台灣在講話那我們也積極在溝通因為在這個供應鏈的替代過程中不會那麼快速\n\n02:39.986 --> 02:55.417\n不會那麼快速所以呢我們是有一定的優勢去談第二個我們過去台灣跟美國建立很好的關係那這個關係也讓我們有比較好的管道在溝通中主委我們當然知道台灣過去跟美國建立很好的關係\n\n02:56.138 --> 03:25.220\n但是現在在野黨的批評就是說你們一直講跟美國建立很好的關係可是我們被課徵高的關稅我相信待會來的在野黨的委員一定是這樣問你的所以你講說台美關係很好但是我們卻被課徵高的關稅政府要怎麼樣的解釋要怎麼樣的自圓其說或者是說您可以告訴大家我們這一次派去要跟人家談判要去跟美國政府談\n\n03:26.738 --> 03:55.237\n真的除了台美關係良好之外我們還有什麼東西可以拿出來跟人家談減少台灣在整體這個關稅上面的損失這兩件事情我第一個先說明一下因為我在外美商待過很久他在處理這種事情上面他會有一個通則先走所以這一次的關稅是用一個公式以逆差為核心的公式算出來的那其實這是一個全球的標準不會是針對誰或誰\n\n03:56.818 --> 03:57.740\n但是這個標準出來以後基本上他會開始有一些可談判的空間\n\n04:02.324 --> 04:29.013\n所以這是美國一貫的做法那我們接下來就是利用這個時間開始進入談判的空間只是就媒體報導川普自己講有超過60個國家在排隊了那我們應該會在比較優先的位置我個人的判斷那我們的籌碼其實就我了解我們有做很多的準備只是談判的籌碼是不可能公告出來影響到談判的結果那我這個時候我也呼籲國人其實我們國家遇到困難\n\n04:30.153 --> 04:48.119\n不要再扯後退我們應該一起面對問題如果有建設性的意見應該可以提出來而不是一直扯大家在努力的後退這是我想順便也提主委您的這個看法我是完全同意我問一個比較我不曉得您可不可以回答就是我們的談判代表出發了沒\n\n04:51.902 --> 05:09.882\n這個不在我的層次裡面我接下來還是問一下總統大概有五大指示所以如果對照您剛剛的說法您對於總統的這五大指示你覺得台灣能不能做得到\n\n05:12.309 --> 05:38.724\n總統做事的決心這個不會是只有總統做事的決心這個關乎到兩國之間的這種互相信任跟我們整體的經貿談判的力道跟這個經驗度你單單最後一個要解決美方長期關切的這個洗產地的問題台灣能不能做得到洗產地的問題其實我們現在有一連串的措施正在進行查核中我們很有信心\n\n05:39.565 --> 06:02.791\n好那我要請教一下你們就是說我們在對於跟美國之間的這一些採購你們是不是已經盤點完了是的都盤點完了已經盤點完了所以你覺得在能源的談判上面其實台灣是還有很多的利多可以釋出是這樣嗎沒錯我想那對於台灣產業的衝擊呢美國的媒體也有露出來這件事情對於台灣產業的衝擊呢比如說美國對台灣執行高的關稅\n\n06:07.992 --> 06:24.895\n台灣現在說要對美國實行零關稅那未來台灣會不會追隨美國去跟中國科徵比較高的關稅這是幾大問題嘛那我們有很多的廠商其實他的工廠是設在中國\n\n06:26.155 --> 06:45.544\n他要賣美國他從中國出口要賣去美國已經面臨到很高的關稅了台灣還要再針對他再課增高的關稅您覺得台灣的廠商受不受得了我想一個比較明確的方向已經出現了就是美國現在有可能會對中國課更高的關稅\n\n06:46.644 --> 07:07.072\n所以我們現在呢我們的這個三大方案裡面有一個跟流台灣方案我們希望提醒廠商不如回自己的家鄉因為台商的主要生產基地的稅都高於台灣我當然知道啊跟流台灣方案其實我們喊很多年這幾年其實有很多廠商已經回來但是現在面臨到馬上面臨到就是這個關稅的問題他或出不出的去啊\n\n07:12.054 --> 07:14.598\n他貨有可能都已經做好了但是這個關稅這麼高這個稅額是誰要付\n\n07:19.013 --> 07:33.418\n是對方要付呢還是生產方要付呢還是大家各付一半呢這個我相信這個業者跟他的客戶之間應該有在談談成怎麼樣不知道那我們現在說叫他跟留台灣或者是叫他把廠移回來台灣移回來台灣也沒那麼簡單第一個他在台灣要重新找到可以設廠的土地也蠻困難的\n\n07:43.841 --> 08:01.278\n第二個他馬上面臨到就是這個高額的關稅科徵的問題所以對於廠商來講他現在是雪上加霜我前兩天去拜訪了高雄的螺絲工會螺絲業者他們其實現在面臨到一個困難就是說他賣也不是不賣也不是那現在美國對中國科徵這麼高的關稅\n\n08:07.281 --> 08:27.207\n那有可能美國就完全不跟中國買那未來中國的貨也不賣去美國了他直接賣到歐洲去那美國需要的貨跟誰買可能跟台灣的業者買可是台灣的業者要面臨到這麼高的關稅對於台灣的業者來說就是我剛才說的要賣也要死沒買也要死\n\n08:32.655 --> 08:39.623\n買到買都要料很多錢那剛剛你們講的就是說不要說你們啦就我們政府提到了880億的這個\n\n08:43.372 --> 08:51.620\n這個金額這個叫做什麼優惠嗎或者是補助880億老實講我覺得是太少那你這個880億要怎麼樣去對有需要的業者補貼能夠補貼他多少比如說你的加速投資利息補貼現在是三年補貼0.7%的這個業者\n\n09:08.632 --> 09:32.440\n有沒有可能把它擴大那這880億如果很快就用完了那未來還有沒有錢可以再增加還有沒有額度可以再增加這一點我想很多的業者很想問這個我們會滾動式的調整我們也其實有不停的在收集現在我們也每天在收集從公會收集是你們現在要滾動式調整我就問你一個最關鍵的問題錢在哪裡\n\n09:35.592 --> 09:42.049\n你在立法院你們的這個我們行政院的預算被砍成這樣我們需要立法院的支持就還是需要立法院的支持\n\n09:43.390 --> 10:07.831\n那也希望立法院大院能夠支持我們這個扶植台灣產業的特別那您覺得立法院可不可以可不可能支持到補貼到2000億左右這個在野黨的主席說880億不夠要增加到2000億我們也希望越多越好啦但是我們還是希望大家能夠如果大家一條心支持的話這也是很重要的\n\n10:09.229 --> 10:12.214\n我想大家一條心非常關心台灣的產業的未來面對到這樣的一個關稅的衝擊\n\n10:16.263 --> 10:39.159\n其實我想這個部長也很希望趕快到各地區去了解這些業者的心聲包括這個螺絲工會我想您剛剛講的幾個大產業就我們的了解螺絲工會其實就面臨到最大最巨大的第一線的衝擊螺絲跟石化這個部長那現在大家\n\n10:40.256 --> 10:55.476\n在立法院這邊你們大概在研擬對策啦有沒有可能直接下鄉去跟業者做面對面的溝通直接了解他們的需求不要說我們畫了很多的大餅我們政策寫得很漂亮\n\n10:56.598 --> 11:21.565\n可是其實沒有對症下藥我想我們這個座談經濟部已經非常多次了所以我們現在啟動馬上辦中心也就是讓業者直接到我們的園區管理局我們有66個園區管理局跟我們中小企業處有馬上辦中心我們每一家客戶的狀況會不一樣所以我們不用那個大的框架來告訴他們而是每一個客戶你有什麼問題\n\n11:22.865 --> 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server都在臺灣廠商的手上，晶片也在我們的手上，但是我們的客戶其實都是美國公司，所以我們跟美國的廠商是百分之百很縝密結合在一起的供應鏈，這個供應鏈其實我們彼此是互惠的，所以美國廠商其實也很幫臺灣講話，我們也積極在溝通，因為在這個供應鏈的替代過程中，不會那麼快速，所以我們是有一定的優勢去談。第二個，過去臺灣跟美國建立很好的關係，這個關係也讓我們有比較好的管道在溝通中……"],["邱委員議瑩：主委，我們當然知道臺灣過去跟美國建立很好的關係，但是現在在野黨的批評就是，你們一直講跟美國建立很好的關係，可是我們被課徵高的關稅，我相信待會來的在野黨委員一定是這樣問你的，你講臺美關係很好，但是我們卻被課徵高的關稅，政府要怎麼樣解釋、要怎麼樣自圓其說？或者是您可以告訴大家，我們這一次派去要跟人家談判、要去跟美國政府談，真的除了臺美關係良好之外，我們還有什麼東西可以拿出來跟人家談，以減少臺灣在整體關稅上面的損失？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：關於這兩件事情，我第一個先說明一下，因為我在美商待過很久，他在處理這種事情上面會用一個通則先走，所以這一次的關稅是用一個以逆差為核心的公式算出來的，其實這是一個全球的標準，不會是針對誰或誰，但是在這個標準出來以後，基本上就會開始有一些可談判的空間，這是美國一貫的作法，那我們接下來就是利用這個時間開始進入談判的空間，只是根據媒體的報導，川普自己講有超過60個國家在排隊，依我個人的判斷，我們應該會在比較優先的位置。至於我們的籌碼，就我了解，其實我們有做很多的準備，只是談判的籌碼是不可能公告出來而影響到談判的結果，我在這個時候也要呼籲國人，其實我們國家遇到困難，不要再扯後腿，我們應該一起面對問題，如果是有建設性的意見，應該可以提出來，而不是在大家努力時一直扯後腿，這是我順便想提出來的。"],["邱委員議瑩：主委，對您的這個看法我完全同意。我問一個問題，我不曉得您可不可以回答，就是我們的談判代表出發了沒有？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：這個因為不在我的層次……"],["邱委員議瑩：這個不能講是不是？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：不在我的層次裡面。"],["邱委員議瑩：好，我接下來還是要問一下，總統大概有五大指示，對照您剛剛的說法，對於總統的這五大指示，你覺得臺灣能不能做得到？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：總統做事的決心是我的信心來源。"],["邱委員議瑩：這個不會是只有總統做事的決心，這個關乎到兩國之間的互相信任跟我們整體的經貿談判力道及經驗度，單單是最後這個要解決美方長期關切的洗產地問題，臺灣能不能做得到？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對洗產地問題其實我們現在有一連串的措施正在進行、在查核中，我們很有信心。"],["邱委員議瑩：好，那我要請教一下，對於我們跟美國之間的這些採購，你們是不是已經盤點完了？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：是的。"],["邱委員議瑩：都盤點完了？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：已經盤點完了。"],["邱委員議瑩：所以你覺得在能源的談判上面其實臺灣還有很多的利多可以釋出，是這樣嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：沒錯，我想昨天美國的媒體報導也有顯露出這件事情。"],["邱委員議瑩：那對於臺灣產業的衝擊呢？比如說，美國對臺灣執行高的關稅，臺灣現在說要對美國實行零關稅，那未來臺灣會不會追隨美國去跟中國課徵比較高的關稅？這是幾大問題嘛！"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對。"],["邱委員議瑩：那我們有很多廠商的工廠其實是設在中國，他要賣到美國，他從中國出口要賣去美國就已經面臨到很高的關稅了，臺灣還要再針對他課徵高的關稅，您覺得臺灣的廠商受不受得了？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我想一個比較明確的方向已經出現了，就是美國現在有可能會對中國課更高的關稅。"],["邱委員議瑩：是，川普已經放話了。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對，所以我們現在的三大方案裡面有一個根留臺灣的方案，我們希望提醒廠商不如回自己的家鄉，因為臺商主要生產基地的稅都高於臺灣。"],["邱委員議瑩：我當然知道啊！根留臺灣方案其實我們喊了很多年，這幾年其實有很多廠商已經回來了。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對，我們現在會更大的強化它。"],["邱委員議瑩：但是現在馬上要面臨到這個關稅的問題，就是他貨出不出得去啊！他的貨有可能都已經做好了，但是關稅這麼高，這個稅額是誰要付？是對方要付還是生產方要付呢？還是大家各付一半呢？我相信業者跟他的客戶之間應該有在談，只是談成怎麼樣不知道。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對，這是需要個別談判的。"],["邱委員議瑩：好，那我們現在叫他根留臺灣，或者是叫他把廠移回來臺灣，要移回來臺灣也沒那麼簡單，第一個，他在臺灣要重新找到可以設廠的土地也蠻困難的；第二個，他馬上會面臨到高額關稅課徵的問題，所以對於廠商來講，現在是雪上加霜。我前兩天去拜訪了高雄的螺絲公會、螺絲業者，他們其實現在面臨到一個困難，就是他賣也不是、不賣也不是，現在美國對中國課徵這麼高的關稅，有可能美國就完全不跟中國買，未來中國的貨也不賣去美國了，他直接賣到歐洲去，那美國需要的貨跟誰買？可能跟臺灣的業者買，可是臺灣的業者要面臨到這麼高的關稅，對於臺灣的業者來說就是像我剛才說的，要賣也死，不賣也死，賣跟不賣都要賠很多錢。我們政府提出一個880億的金額，這個是叫做什麼？是優惠或者是補助？老實講，我覺得880億太少了，你這個880億要怎麼樣去對有需要的業者補貼，能夠補貼他多少？比如說，你的加速投資利息補貼現在是3年補貼業者0.7%，有沒有可能把它擴大？這880億如果很快就用完了，那未來還有沒有錢？還有沒有額度可以再增加？我想很多的業者很想問這一點。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：這個我們會滾動式的調整，我們其實也有不停的在蒐集，現在我們也每天從公會蒐集資訊。"],["邱委員議瑩：你們現在還要滾動式調整，我就問你一個最關鍵的問題，錢在哪裡？在立法院我們行政院的預算被砍成這樣，錢在哪裡？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們還是需要立法院的支持，也希望大院能夠支持我們這個扶植臺灣產業的特別預算。"],["邱委員議瑩：那您覺得立法院可不可能支持補貼到2,000億左右？在野黨的主席說880億不夠，要增加到2,000億。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們也希望越多越好，如果大家一條心支持的話，這也是很重要的。"],["邱委員議瑩：我想大家都一條心，都非常關心臺灣產業的未來，面對這樣的關稅衝擊，我想其實部長也很希望趕快到各地區去了解這些業者的心聲，包括螺絲公會，您剛剛講到的幾個大產業，就我們的了解，螺絲公會其實就面臨到最巨大、第一線的衝擊，就是螺絲跟石化。部長，你們大概在研擬對策，有沒有可能直接下鄉去跟業者做面對面的溝通？就是直接了解他們的需求，不要說我們畫了很多的大餅，我們把政策寫得很漂亮，可是其實沒有對症下藥。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們經濟部已經有辦非常多次座談了，我們現在啟動馬上辦中心，也就是讓業者直接到我們的園區管理局，我們有66個園區管理局，我們中小企業處有馬上辦中心，因為每一家客戶的狀況會不一樣，所以我們不用那個大的框架來告訴他們，而是每一個客戶有什麼問題，我們來協商並幫他解決。我們在臺北本部有一個顧問團，也就是說，如果當地沒有辦法回答我們已經設定的這些框架問題的時候，就送回來臺北，我要求在1天內就給他回應，這個是我們目前的作法。"],["邱委員議瑩：好，部長，我想這個問題其實所牽扯到的還非常長遠，今天只是剛開始，當然股市已經跌了3天、4天了，但是整體的考驗、整體的狀態今天才剛開始，我覺得我們全民上下都應該責無旁貸、密切觀察，然後隨時在政策上面看能夠對於我們的業者有什麼樣的照顧，對於我們的產業能夠有什麼樣的扶植，我們都應該隨時滾動式提出具體的方案，好不好？"],["郭部長智輝：是的。"],["邱委員議瑩：謝謝。"],["郭部長智輝：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝。在邱志偉委員進行詢答前，我們先確定議事錄。上次會議議事錄是否有錯誤？（無）沒有，那我們議事錄確定。","現在請邱志偉委員做詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":116,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-7","speakers":["謝衣鳯","邱議瑩","邱志偉","楊瓊瓔","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra 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