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00:02:33,011\n對那你是不是可以承諾說像現在的這個情況下就是12億已經9億拿掉了這部分未來您到報委員我們現在是尾款大概5%還沒有支付啦那這部分是目前我們先扣著但說實在這種事情中央補助之後地方是來執行所以這部分還是一直不斷地去督促地方要如期把它完成那他們也不夠錢怎麼辦他們也的確有在進行啦所以不是沒在進行所以這件事這真的需要時間因為之前是不是可以承諾說如果\n\n8\n00:02:34,111 --> 00:02:55,718\n新竹市的棒球場他未來需要再追加預算等等包括五年內我們沒有辦法追加預算那這次完全是市府他必須自身承擔因為畢竟是市府之間的公務相關的問題啊那如果這是可是市府這一部分是整個國家的預算的部分怎麼樣的處理就是說如果這樣變成說造成的是跟廠商的索賠是嗎\n\n9\n00:02:57,255 --> 00:03:18,602\n這是他們之間的官司的問題我們是補助,我們不是主辦所以主辦還是新竹市政府好,那就這樣子了解,謝謝好,謝謝委員好,那我們繼續進入到運財的這部分它是非常是重要的,是可以說是我們的運動的這樣子的一個運動發展基金到第二頁的部分好,那現在我們可以看到它這個第二頁的部分\n\n10\n00:03:21,533 --> 00:03:44,201\n第二頁的部分我們看到那這邊我們看到它是盈餘已經大概670億左右的這樣的一個銷售額那它的盈餘大概有70億當中那我們看到在下一頁好嗎就看到說呢它有一個很大的特色在於說運動彩券的還有經銷商、代理人跟庫員他們都有具備的這個78%有運動專業的知識那怎麼去看到這樣的運動專業知識的一個呈現啊你們怎麼去發現到的\n\n11\n00:03:51,813 --> 00:04:08,417\n報委員我們分三個部分第一個有運動員他優秀運動員他可以來當經銷商第二個他大部分的經銷商他們都會去試著去考裁判證教練證之類的那最重要的第三個就是他們的經銷商會有一個職業的訓練他們會針對一些\n\n12\n00:04:11,978 --> 00:04:23,682\n運採相關專業比方說怎麼下注啦怎麼玩法啦去教客人啦這部分那適合他們的專業他們是有受訓的這樣的一個人才的把它保留下來是非常好的是好那我們在下一頁看看就是說113年來講的話呢它的實際的盈餘銷售是643億那盈餘是70多億\n\n13\n00:04:32,265 --> 00:04:47,406\n那這些部分的話怎麼去運用到你當初就是要在運動發展基金當中的那幾項內容怎麼去做分配評題當然第二個問題在於說它佔了十分之一的盈餘才作為運動的基金那這部分成本有這麼高嗎\n\n14\n00:04:49,161 --> 00:05:17,425\n就是十分之九都碰到到其他部分在運用部分我們主要是針對人才培育國際賽事的部分這兩個是我們目前最大的支出那事業創新研發部分我們是有去做融資的輔導但是這部分的確業務目前是比較沒有太多的發展那再來是盈餘的部分占十分之一這是當時立法的時候因為我們畢竟這是有社會責任它不是它是特許行業因為畢竟賭博在台灣是不被允許\n\n15\n00:05:17,845 --> 00:05:38,009\n在特許行業之下它其實有社會責任在所以當時是10%進到運動發展基金由運動發展基金來支持我們我國家的運動人才的培育以及國際賽事的舉行好那講到國際運動賽事我們看下一頁這地方的話它這樣子佔我國推廣整個體育經費的比例是多少打這個英語基本上它都是用在我國體育的推廣經費百分之百\n\n16\n00:05:46,411 --> 00:06:08,438\n因為我是說這個彩券運在我國所有的運動體育的部分一半那這樣子所以其實它也只有一半的這樣輔助因此可是你又前面十分之一像我們今年是158億的整體預算裡面有大概有編了將近差不多80億左右是來自於運彩\n\n17\n00:06:10,287 --> 00:06:26,608\nOK好那所以大型運動的國際賽事當然也是你現在所送的部分嘛所以這部分就是也是用到運材的盈餘也是事實上是有的有就是我剛剛講說人才培育及大型的國際賽事交流好那我們現在可能看看這部分再下一下下看一下這裡\n\n18\n00:06:28,445 --> 00:06:54,470\n那另外一部分我們就看到的確用到這個大型賽事的部分是好事情那我們又看到體育的部分是在全民運動這邊是好事情那這邊有聽到很多的運動的人口體適能等等的傳統的優質體育文化的部分那這些做全民運動當然是很棒的一個狀況像我們往下看的時候有一個很重要的問題在於說看到全民運動的人口事實上比例在變成到35點多是在增加當中\n\n19\n00:06:56,730 --> 00:07:02,099\n那你全民運動這邊部分有沒有特別針對不同的分靈化在做事情再下一頁好嗎沒關係再下一頁\n\n20\n00:07:10,339 --> 00:07:30,618\n因為全民運動上是好事我剛才看到這邊看到35點多%是好的情況那可是每個人的年紀不同剛才有這個十幾二十歲的啊二十幾歲然後到六七十歲的七八十歲的這部分好那分離了這個部分全民運動有沒有有沒有特別去加強說他有一些不同的這個運動參與方案跟場域上面的一個策略\n\n21\n00:07:31,547 --> 00:07:48,890\n保護委員這部分我們過去全民運動在推動的部分呢主要是靠公務預算那其實預算的部分的確有一些限制所以我們當然希望運動部成立我們主打的就是全民運動的推廣所以這部分我們在積極爭取更多的公務預算來投入那這個調查呢我們現在講整個整體的\n\n22\n00:07:50,651 --> 00:08:18,888\n我國規律運動人口比例是35%但是電話調查這些數據是有加權前跟加權後這屬於統計的問題因為每個年齡層他的接收到電話的人數都不一樣所以這是統計的一個加權比例去計算但整體來講就是35%但我們希望在接下來幾年能夠再有一些成長的進步的空間可是應該會有場域上面要不同的差異對那全民運動來講最重要就是場域這一件事情也是我們目前比較不足的所以我們現在也做全面的盤點\n\n23\n00:08:20,009 --> 00:08:35,094\n接下來也會透過公務預算以及場域的修繕來進行還有校園開放目前我們教育部這邊教校園開放也是能夠幫助到全民運動這件事情好那我再問一下你剛才有說到我們的預算大概是未來現在是大概160億或150億左右那未來說是可能到200億嗎高委員我們現在還在盤點因為畢竟還沒有送審對\n\n24\n00:08:43,936 --> 00:09:11,199\n對那我希望你會承諾未來的時候就是從體育署升到體育部的情況之下運動部他絕對是應該把台灣的這樣子一個優秀的體育人才包括能夠帶動的國民的運動風氣可是重點是提升到我們國家的一種體育的特性出來這是發揚我們的國威這種情況絕對是請你要注意到好不好請體育署或是未來體育部要注意到謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n25\n00:09:13,271 --> 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那講到國際運動賽事我們看下一頁這地方的話它這樣子佔我國推廣整個體育經費的比例是多少打這個英語基本上它都是用在我國體育的推廣經費 百分之百\n346411\t368438\t因為我是說這個彩券運在我國所有的運動體育的部分一半那這樣子所以其實它也只有一半的這樣輔助因此可是你又前面十分之一像我們今年是158億的整體預算裡面有大概有編了將近差不多80億左右是來自於運彩\n370287\t386608\tOK 好那所以大型運動的國際賽事當然也是你現在所送的部分嘛所以這部分就是也是用到運材的盈餘也是事實上是有的有就是我剛剛講說人才培育及大型的國際賽事交流好那我們現在可能看看這部分再下一下下看一下這裡\n388445\t414470\t那另外一部分我們就看到的確用到這個大型賽事的部分是好事情那我們又看到體育的部分是在全民運動這邊是好事情那這邊有聽到很多的運動的人口體適能等等的傳統的優質體育文化的部分那這些做全民運動當然是很棒的一個狀況像我們往下看的時候有一個很重要的問題在於說看到全民運動的人口事實上比例在變成到35點多是在增加當中\n416730\t422099\t那你全民運動這邊部分有沒有特別針對不同的分靈化在做事情再下一頁好嗎沒關係再下一頁\n430339\t450618\t因為全民運動上是好事我剛才看到這邊看到35點多%是好的情況那可是每個人的年紀不同剛才有這個十幾二十歲的啊二十幾歲然後到六七十歲的七八十歲的這部分好那分離了這個部分全民運動有沒有有沒有特別去加強說他有一些不同的這個運動參與方案跟場域上面的一個策略\n451547\t468890\t保護委員這部分我們過去全民運動在推動的部分呢主要是靠公務預算那其實預算的部分的確有一些限制所以我們當然希望運動部成立我們主打的就是全民運動的推廣所以這部分我們在積極爭取更多的公務預算來投入那這個調查呢我們現在講整個整體的\n470651\t498888\t我國規律運動人口比例是35%但是電話調查這些數據是有加權前跟加權後這屬於統計的問題因為每個年齡層他的接收到電話的人數都不一樣所以這是統計的一個加權比例去計算但整體來講就是35%但我們希望在接下來幾年能夠再有一些成長的進步的空間可是應該會有場域上面要不同的差異對 那全民運動來講最重要就是場域這一件事情也是我們目前比較不足的所以我們現在也做全面的盤點\n500009\t515094\t接下來也會透過公務預算以及場域的修繕來進行還有校園開放目前我們教育部這邊教校園開放也是能夠幫助到全民運動這件事情好那我再問一下你剛才有說到我們的預算大概是未來現在是大概160億或150億左右那未來說是可能到200億嗎高委員我們現在還在盤點因為畢竟還沒有送審 對\n523936\t551199\t對 那我希望你會承諾 未來的時候就是從體育署升到體育部的情況之下 運動部他絕對是應該把台灣的這樣子一個優秀的體育人才 包括能夠帶動的國民的運動風氣可是重點是提升到我們國家的一種體育的特性出來這是發揚我們的國威這種情況 絕對是請你要注意到好不好 請體育署或是未來體育部要注意到謝謝委員好 謝謝\n553271\t553292\t好\n","txt":"接下來我們請劉淑冰委員好 有請部長跟鄭署長好 有請部長署長委員好\n部長跟署長好那在進入我原來的運動彩券的問題之前我就想詢問一下在新竹市的這個市立棒球場它經歷在2023年的時候被有挖到的大秘寶在下面那因為後來廠商的這個包商他們就做一個凍結保全證據的需求那今年又要解凍我們看到3月5號的新聞當中已經呈現出來了它還是下面在10到15公分下有這樣的\n這些不該有的這些建築的工地的材料那我想問的是說那現在他當然進入到檢調部分可是像在教育部現在目前主管就在體育的部分還包括的是署長這邊遇到的這個問題上面怎麼樣的去因應\n他在未來的後續的把他整複尤其是他12億的錢當中已經花了9億出去了那這問題都還沒有解決是不是在經費上面或者是在未來的再把他整複成一個作為我們全國球的重要的場地要運用的時候你有什麼樣的意見\n報告委員這個場地的確當時在施工方面在設計方面的確是有缺失當時體育署也提出有提出建言那但是沒有被新竹市府給接受當時是哪個新竹市政府那個時候是應該是林市長的時代不過不管怎麼樣他後來在整個過程當中因為需要第三方的\n土木技師工會來做一個雙方的鑑定因為畢竟是有市府設計以及包商之間的一個爭議所以這些時間拖了很長那最近結束了那現在他們在新竹市府他們也負起責任來把整個的工程重新再整個重新翻起來重新做所以需要一點時間\n對 那你是不是可以承諾說像現在的這個情況下就是12億已經9億拿掉了這部分未來您到報委員我們現在是尾款大概5%還沒有支付啦那這部分是目前我們先扣著但說實在這種事情中央補助之後地方是來執行所以這部分還是一直不斷地去督促地方要如期把它完成那他們也不夠錢怎麼辦他們也的確有在進行啦所以不是沒在進行所以這件事這真的需要時間因為之前是不是可以承諾說如果\n新竹市的棒球場他未來需要再追加預算等等包括五年內我們沒有辦法追加預算那這次完全是市府他必須自身承擔因為畢竟是市府之間的公務相關的問題啊那如果這是可是市府這一部分是整個國家的預算的部分怎麼樣的處理就是說如果這樣變成說造成的是跟廠商的索賠是嗎\n這是他們之間的官司的問題我們是補助,我們不是主辦所以主辦還是新竹市政府好,那就這樣子了解,謝謝好,謝謝委員好,那我們繼續進入到運財的這部分它是非常是重要的,是可以說是我們的運動的這樣子的一個運動發展基金到第二頁的部分好,那現在我們可以看到它這個第二頁的部分\n第二頁的部分我們看到那這邊我們看到它是盈餘已經大概670億左右的這樣的一個銷售額那它的盈餘大概有70億當中那我們看到在下一頁好嗎就看到說呢它有一個很大的特色在於說運動彩券的還有經銷商、代理人跟庫員他們都有具備的這個78%有運動專業的知識那怎麼去看到這樣的運動專業知識的一個呈現啊你們怎麼去發現到的\n報委員我們分三個部分第一個有運動員他優秀運動員他可以來當經銷商第二個他大部分的經銷商他們都會去試著去考裁判證教練證之類的那最重要的第三個就是他們的經銷商會有一個職業的訓練他們會針對一些\n運採相關專業比方說怎麼下注啦怎麼玩法啦去教客人啦這部分那適合他們的專業他們是有受訓的這樣的一個人才的把它保留下來是非常好的是好那我們在下一頁看看就是說113年來講的話呢它的實際的盈餘銷售是643億那盈餘是70多億\n那這些部分的話怎麼去運用到你當初就是要在運動發展基金當中的那幾項內容怎麼去做分配評題當然第二個問題在於說它佔了十分之一的盈餘才作為運動的基金那這部分成本有這麼高嗎\n就是十分之九都碰到到其他部分在運用部分我們主要是針對人才培育國際賽事的部分這兩個是我們目前最大的支出那事業創新研發部分我們是有去做融資的輔導但是這部分的確業務目前是比較沒有太多的發展那再來是盈餘的部分占十分之一這是當時立法的時候因為我們畢竟這是有社會責任它不是它是特許行業因為畢竟賭博在台灣是不被允許\n在特許行業之下它其實有社會責任在所以當時是10%進到運動發展基金由運動發展基金來支持我們我國家的運動人才的培育以及國際賽事的舉行好 那講到國際運動賽事我們看下一頁這地方的話它這樣子佔我國推廣整個體育經費的比例是多少打這個英語基本上它都是用在我國體育的推廣經費 百分之百\n因為我是說這個彩券運在我國所有的運動體育的部分一半那這樣子所以其實它也只有一半的這樣輔助因此可是你又前面十分之一像我們今年是158億的整體預算裡面有大概有編了將近差不多80億左右是來自於運彩\nOK 好那所以大型運動的國際賽事當然也是你現在所送的部分嘛所以這部分就是也是用到運材的盈餘也是事實上是有的有就是我剛剛講說人才培育及大型的國際賽事交流好那我們現在可能看看這部分再下一下下看一下這裡\n那另外一部分我們就看到的確用到這個大型賽事的部分是好事情那我們又看到體育的部分是在全民運動這邊是好事情那這邊有聽到很多的運動的人口體適能等等的傳統的優質體育文化的部分那這些做全民運動當然是很棒的一個狀況像我們往下看的時候有一個很重要的問題在於說看到全民運動的人口事實上比例在變成到35點多是在增加當中\n那你全民運動這邊部分有沒有特別針對不同的分靈化在做事情再下一頁好嗎沒關係再下一頁\n因為全民運動上是好事我剛才看到這邊看到35點多%是好的情況那可是每個人的年紀不同剛才有這個十幾二十歲的啊二十幾歲然後到六七十歲的七八十歲的這部分好那分離了這個部分全民運動有沒有有沒有特別去加強說他有一些不同的這個運動參與方案跟場域上面的一個策略\n保護委員這部分我們過去全民運動在推動的部分呢主要是靠公務預算那其實預算的部分的確有一些限制所以我們當然希望運動部成立我們主打的就是全民運動的推廣所以這部分我們在積極爭取更多的公務預算來投入那這個調查呢我們現在講整個整體的\n我國規律運動人口比例是35%但是電話調查這些數據是有加權前跟加權後這屬於統計的問題因為每個年齡層他的接收到電話的人數都不一樣所以這是統計的一個加權比例去計算但整體來講就是35%但我們希望在接下來幾年能夠再有一些成長的進步的空間可是應該會有場域上面要不同的差異對 那全民運動來講最重要就是場域這一件事情也是我們目前比較不足的所以我們現在也做全面的盤點\n接下來也會透過公務預算以及場域的修繕來進行還有校園開放目前我們教育部這邊教校園開放也是能夠幫助到全民運動這件事情好那我再問一下你剛才有說到我們的預算大概是未來現在是大概160億或150億左右那未來說是可能到200億嗎高委員我們現在還在盤點因為畢竟還沒有送審 對\n對 那我希望你會承諾 未來的時候就是從體育署升到體育部的情況之下 運動部他絕對是應該把台灣的這樣子一個優秀的體育人才 包括能夠帶動的國民的運動風氣可是重點是提升到我們國家的一種體育的特性出來這是發揚我們的國威這種情況 絕對是請你要注意到好不好 請體育署或是未來體育部要注意到謝謝委員好 謝謝\n好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:04.210\n接下來我們請劉淑冰委員好有請部長跟鄭署長好有請部長署長委員好\n\n00:22.857 --> 00:29.201\n部長跟署長好那在進入我原來的運動彩券的問題之前我就想詢問一下在新竹市的這個市立棒球場它經歷在2023年的時候被有挖到的大秘寶在下面那因為後來廠商的這個包商他們就做一個凍結保全證據的需求那今年又要解凍我們看到3月5號的新聞當中已經呈現出來了它還是下面在10到15公分下有這樣的\n\n00:49.914 --> 01:04.889\n這些不該有的這些建築的工地的材料那我想問的是說那現在他當然進入到檢調部分可是像在教育部現在目前主管就在體育的部分還包括的是署長這邊遇到的這個問題上面怎麼樣的去因應\n\n01:08.232 --> 01:23.807\n他在未來的後續的把他整複尤其是他12億的錢當中已經花了9億出去了那這問題都還沒有解決是不是在經費上面或者是在未來的再把他整複成一個作為我們全國球的重要的場地要運用的時候你有什麼樣的意見\n\n01:25.689 --> 01:46.040\n報告委員這個場地的確當時在施工方面在設計方面的確是有缺失當時體育署也提出有提出建言那但是沒有被新竹市府給接受當時是哪個新竹市政府那個時候是應該是林市長的時代不過不管怎麼樣他後來在整個過程當中因為需要第三方的\n\n01:46.820 --> 02:03.326\n土木技師工會來做一個雙方的鑑定因為畢竟是有市府設計以及包商之間的一個爭議所以這些時間拖了很長那最近結束了那現在他們在新竹市府他們也負起責任來把整個的工程重新再整個重新翻起來重新做所以需要一點時間\n\n02:04.502 --> 02:33.011\n對那你是不是可以承諾說像現在的這個情況下就是12億已經9億拿掉了這部分未來您到報委員我們現在是尾款大概5%還沒有支付啦那這部分是目前我們先扣著但說實在這種事情中央補助之後地方是來執行所以這部分還是一直不斷地去督促地方要如期把它完成那他們也不夠錢怎麼辦他們也的確有在進行啦所以不是沒在進行所以這件事這真的需要時間因為之前是不是可以承諾說如果\n\n02:34.111 --> 02:55.718\n新竹市的棒球場他未來需要再追加預算等等包括五年內我們沒有辦法追加預算那這次完全是市府他必須自身承擔因為畢竟是市府之間的公務相關的問題啊那如果這是可是市府這一部分是整個國家的預算的部分怎麼樣的處理就是說如果這樣變成說造成的是跟廠商的索賠是嗎\n\n02:57.255 --> 03:18.602\n這是他們之間的官司的問題我們是補助,我們不是主辦所以主辦還是新竹市政府好,那就這樣子了解,謝謝好,謝謝委員好,那我們繼續進入到運財的這部分它是非常是重要的,是可以說是我們的運動的這樣子的一個運動發展基金到第二頁的部分好,那現在我們可以看到它這個第二頁的部分\n\n03:21.533 --> 03:44.201\n第二頁的部分我們看到那這邊我們看到它是盈餘已經大概670億左右的這樣的一個銷售額那它的盈餘大概有70億當中那我們看到在下一頁好嗎就看到說呢它有一個很大的特色在於說運動彩券的還有經銷商、代理人跟庫員他們都有具備的這個78%有運動專業的知識那怎麼去看到這樣的運動專業知識的一個呈現啊你們怎麼去發現到的\n\n03:51.813 --> 04:08.417\n報委員我們分三個部分第一個有運動員他優秀運動員他可以來當經銷商第二個他大部分的經銷商他們都會去試著去考裁判證教練證之類的那最重要的第三個就是他們的經銷商會有一個職業的訓練他們會針對一些\n\n04:11.978 --> 04:23.682\n運採相關專業比方說怎麼下注啦怎麼玩法啦去教客人啦這部分那適合他們的專業他們是有受訓的這樣的一個人才的把它保留下來是非常好的是好那我們在下一頁看看就是說113年來講的話呢它的實際的盈餘銷售是643億那盈餘是70多億\n\n04:32.265 --> 04:47.406\n那這些部分的話怎麼去運用到你當初就是要在運動發展基金當中的那幾項內容怎麼去做分配評題當然第二個問題在於說它佔了十分之一的盈餘才作為運動的基金那這部分成本有這麼高嗎\n\n04:49.161 --> 05:17.425\n就是十分之九都碰到到其他部分在運用部分我們主要是針對人才培育國際賽事的部分這兩個是我們目前最大的支出那事業創新研發部分我們是有去做融資的輔導但是這部分的確業務目前是比較沒有太多的發展那再來是盈餘的部分占十分之一這是當時立法的時候因為我們畢竟這是有社會責任它不是它是特許行業因為畢竟賭博在台灣是不被允許\n\n05:17.845 --> 05:38.009\n在特許行業之下它其實有社會責任在所以當時是10%進到運動發展基金由運動發展基金來支持我們我國家的運動人才的培育以及國際賽事的舉行好那講到國際運動賽事我們看下一頁這地方的話它這樣子佔我國推廣整個體育經費的比例是多少打這個英語基本上它都是用在我國體育的推廣經費百分之百\n\n05:46.411 --> 06:08.438\n因為我是說這個彩券運在我國所有的運動體育的部分一半那這樣子所以其實它也只有一半的這樣輔助因此可是你又前面十分之一像我們今年是158億的整體預算裡面有大概有編了將近差不多80億左右是來自於運彩\n\n06:10.287 --> 06:26.608\nOK好那所以大型運動的國際賽事當然也是你現在所送的部分嘛所以這部分就是也是用到運材的盈餘也是事實上是有的有就是我剛剛講說人才培育及大型的國際賽事交流好那我們現在可能看看這部分再下一下下看一下這裡\n\n06:28.445 --> 06:54.470\n那另外一部分我們就看到的確用到這個大型賽事的部分是好事情那我們又看到體育的部分是在全民運動這邊是好事情那這邊有聽到很多的運動的人口體適能等等的傳統的優質體育文化的部分那這些做全民運動當然是很棒的一個狀況像我們往下看的時候有一個很重要的問題在於說看到全民運動的人口事實上比例在變成到35點多是在增加當中\n\n06:56.730 --> 07:02.099\n那你全民運動這邊部分有沒有特別針對不同的分靈化在做事情再下一頁好嗎沒關係再下一頁\n\n07:10.339 --> 07:30.618\n因為全民運動上是好事我剛才看到這邊看到35點多%是好的情況那可是每個人的年紀不同剛才有這個十幾二十歲的啊二十幾歲然後到六七十歲的七八十歲的這部分好那分離了這個部分全民運動有沒有有沒有特別去加強說他有一些不同的這個運動參與方案跟場域上面的一個策略\n\n07:31.547 --> 07:48.890\n保護委員這部分我們過去全民運動在推動的部分呢主要是靠公務預算那其實預算的部分的確有一些限制所以我們當然希望運動部成立我們主打的就是全民運動的推廣所以這部分我們在積極爭取更多的公務預算來投入那這個調查呢我們現在講整個整體的\n\n07:50.651 --> 08:18.888\n我國規律運動人口比例是35%但是電話調查這些數據是有加權前跟加權後這屬於統計的問題因為每個年齡層他的接收到電話的人數都不一樣所以這是統計的一個加權比例去計算但整體來講就是35%但我們希望在接下來幾年能夠再有一些成長的進步的空間可是應該會有場域上面要不同的差異對那全民運動來講最重要就是場域這一件事情也是我們目前比較不足的所以我們現在也做全面的盤點\n\n08:20.009 --> 08:35.094\n接下來也會透過公務預算以及場域的修繕來進行還有校園開放目前我們教育部這邊教校園開放也是能夠幫助到全民運動這件事情好那我再問一下你剛才有說到我們的預算大概是未來現在是大概160億或150億左右那未來說是可能到200億嗎高委員我們現在還在盤點因為畢竟還沒有送審對\n\n08:43.936 --> 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