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00:02:59,245\n所以在這裡我要特別就是想要提到的就是我們常常講不可以使人跌倒我們應該要下定決心不做任何使人跌倒犯罪的事當他們跌倒其實制度也要檢討我們是不是也有這樣的一個共犯結構所以我們培育這麼優秀的選手我們來看一下\n\n9\n00:03:00,166 --> 00:03:27,800\n他們在國中我們的原住民棒球的體育生啊目前在111學年度是來到占比三成那為什麼我看到北部都會地區很多的棒球隊隊員啊他們都是從南部來的花東來的那麼小的年紀我也不知道他們到底是住在哪裡但是他們就是離鄉背井\n\n10\n00:03:29,312 --> 00:03:41,525\n可能是住在學校的某個地方可能是住在教練安頓的租的一個房子我不知道可是為什麼他們能夠招募到這麼多離鄉背井而來的孩子\n\n11\n00:03:42,728 --> 00:04:03,021\n他們認為原住民吃苦耐勞他們可能認為家長他比較沒有意見所以我們招募了很多原住民的孩子加入各樣的一個球隊可是我們來看他們的成績像這個2022年棒球體育生他的會考成績5C的比例達到36%\n\n12\n00:04:05,931 --> 00:04:18,956\n所以為什麼會這樣因為學校也不在意他的學科成績啊只在意他們出去比賽的成績啊甚至很多在畢業的時候為了讓他能夠畢業未來能夠U12U18讓他畢業他給他考那個必勝卷就是一定可以及格的考試卷\n\n13\n00:04:27,339 --> 00:04:55,156\n所以非常非常的讓我們感到心疼那在這邊他們也有很多的問題啊例如說他們管教等不等於訓練等不等於體罰那他們這種長期受軍事化的管理結果到了中職之後職棒之後薪水突然之間變那麼高他也不知道要怎麼做財務管理然後整個軍事管理呢也趨向於尊重選手\n\n14\n00:04:56,377 --> 00:05:12,464\n所以我們這些體育班的球隊的孩子的訓練我覺得是我們教育部跟未來的運動部要非常關心的地方所以呢包括他們接觸的人也是很大的問題宿舍的管理員\n\n15\n00:05:13,424 --> 00:05:29,961\n他有沒有專業的素養我們的教練經常跟他有肢體的接觸基於訓練上的需要但是呢我們光是看監察院的報告或者是這兩年的新聞我們可以看到非常多涉嫌\n\n16\n00:05:30,882 --> 00:05:49,767\n性侵、猥褻、性騷擾或者是施虐、施暴的這樣的一個狀況非常的頻繁所以呢我在這邊先請教一下我們的部長就是教育部針對這一些現在有沒有建立一些相關的機制\n\n17\n00:05:55,069 --> 00:06:14,838\n謝謝委員的關心我們這個運動人才的一個培養特別在原住民這個區塊我想我的心情跟這個委員是一樣的我們非常不捨一個從小喜歡運動甚至我們專業的一個判定他是有潛能的小朋友\n\n18\n00:06:15,478 --> 00:06:23,201\n他為了能夠在希望他這個生涯的一個發展能夠在他的一個潛能能夠開發能夠發光發熱但是我們卻犧牲了教育體制犧牲了對他的學習上知識上的相關的一些這個成長我想我們內部也已經有深切的一個檢討我們也期待說配合運動部以後我們的小學的這個體育班可能要考慮要廢止\n\n19\n00:06:44,148 --> 00:07:08,713\n那在階段性媒體制限所有的體育班的老師沒有資格放棄任何一個體育班學生的一個所有的學科上的一個學習這也是我想我們內部在討論而且一定會努力來這樣來朝這個方向謝謝部長我就是希望說以剛才的那位職棒球員來講如果他有別的學科專長\n\n20\n00:07:10,302 --> 00:07:16,419\n他就不會被迫我只能去做板磨工我只能夠到7-11上大夜班\n\n21\n00:07:17,941 --> 00:07:46,108\n我講的是這樣他們30歲以後的職涯生涯規劃我希望從國小所有的球隊都要來去做這樣的相關機制的檢討那希望能夠列入我們未來教育部的一個制度裡面那接下來請國教署那因為我們同樣關心我們的孩子所以部長我在上個禮拜我有接受一個請託台東\n\n22\n00:07:47,523 --> 00:08:06,414\n海端鄉來的族人他們的孩子是身心障礙而且是讀特幼班可是您看一下這樣的一個受傷的狀況家長去接的時候老師竟然跟他說是被椅子撞到\n\n23\n00:08:08,260 --> 00:08:33,110\n醫生跟他說不可能他隔天要求看監視器結果呢看到的都是沒有異狀的畫面他是一直到我這個是根據國教署提供的期程他是一直到被第一次入園調查的時候他才知道原來他的孩子真的有被施暴但是請看一下這個時程1月8號孩子受傷1月9號\n\n24\n00:08:37,287 --> 00:08:48,460\n教育處有通報但是家長不知道有受虐如常的帶孩子上學老師也還在結果到了1月20號審查小組決議受理\n\n25\n00:08:50,490 --> 00:09:08,106\n所以1月21那位老師學校給他停職然後直到2月11號才成立調查小組然後直到2月27號家長被調查小組叫來問話的時候他才看到監視器畫面原來我的孩子被施暴受虐的狀況這麼樣的嚴重\n\n26\n00:09:10,268 --> 00:09:20,359\n所以我想講的是什麼我們本來就知道按照我們教保相關人員的調查處理辦法是要兩個工作日內兩天內就要決定是否受理\n\n27\n00:09:21,468 --> 00:09:43,326\n可是學校既知道要通報又隱匿家長孩子受虐的事實然後審查小組到1月20號才決議受理2月11號才成立調查小組我覺得很明顯很明顯這個就是不當那如果說我們在這個地方我想要問\n\n28\n00:09:45,120 --> 00:10:02,357\n部長的就是國教署的就是我這幾年全國各地接受很多地方來找立法委員陳情可是我真的從來都不知道到底中央對地方政府到底有什麼樣的監管的權利\n\n29\n00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:20,447\n這是我很困擾的地方來署長請說不管是學前或是高中以下學校四個階段都有嚴正的處理辦法跟流程的規範我們在今天下班前跟委員會來報告\n\n30\n00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:44,791\n台東對於這個案子他各個流程走的依不依法有沒有合我們的規範那麼下班前跟您報告那麼第二這個事情在發生的時候馬上就行文去督導了所以以上對這個事情的關注以及對他依法的督導那麼在下班前好完整的跟委員做個回覆謝謝委員我要提的是說其實這一名教師\n\n31\n00:10:46,308 --> 00:11:09,601\n他在去年就有施暴的記錄但是沒有證據因為學校沒有裝監視器但是那一次之後家長強烈要求學校至少要裝監視器所以這一次我們才有辦法看得到施暴的畫面才有證據才能提告可是多少學校沒有監視器\n\n32\n00:11:11,872 --> 00:11:15,920\n多少學校不了了之當地方做這樣的調查的時候\n\n33\n00:11:17,776 --> 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他們提供的原住民選手佔中職選手的比例是高達42.4%可以說原住民的選手撐起我們整個職棒的半邊天\n73886\t89765\t那如果說以去年十二強跟今年初的經典賽來看的話原住民的選手佔比高達百分之四十八點二就是一半所以我們想要講的就是比賽之後風光的背後\n90746\t119379\t有一些問題想要請教育部體育署未來的運動部一起來幫幫忙因為我們看到我們有很多很多的選手我們以中職選手來講他們其實他們的平均的打球的一個年份是不到五年退役的平均年齡是28.7歲那這種不到30歲就退休那往後的日子要怎麼過\n121010\t134369\t像我們舉這個統一師的這個職棒選手來講他是因為財務管理不當所以呢就立刻被快刀斬亂馬因為呢可能\n135458\t151804\t他們免除後面的隱憂就決定了把他裁撤可是他後來去哪裡他只能去做板磨工他去統一旗下的7-11上大夜班真的是令人不勝唏噓這麼年輕\n155242\t179245\t所以在這裡我要特別就是想要提到的就是我們常常講不可以使人跌倒我們應該要下定決心不做任何使人跌倒犯罪的事當他們跌倒其實制度也要檢討我們是不是也有這樣的一個共犯結構所以我們培育這麼優秀的選手我們來看一下\n180166\t207800\t他們在國中我們的原住民棒球的體育生啊目前在111學年度是來到占比三成那為什麼我看到北部都會地區很多的棒球隊隊員啊他們都是從南部來的花東來的那麼小的年紀我也不知道他們到底是住在哪裡但是他們就是離鄉背井\n209312\t221525\t可能是住在學校的某個地方可能是住在教練安頓的租的一個房子我不知道可是為什麼他們能夠招募到這麼多離鄉背井而來的孩子\n222728\t243021\t他們認為原住民吃苦耐勞他們可能認為家長他比較沒有意見所以我們招募了很多原住民的孩子加入各樣的一個球隊可是我們來看他們的成績像這個2022年棒球體育生他的會考成績5C的比例達到36%\n245931\t258956\t所以為什麼會這樣因為學校也不在意他的學科成績啊只在意他們出去比賽的成績啊甚至很多在畢業的時候為了讓他能夠畢業未來能夠U12 U18讓他畢業他給他考那個必勝卷就是一定可以及格的考試卷\n267339\t295156\t所以非常非常的讓我們感到心疼那在這邊他們也有很多的問題啊例如說他們管教等不等於訓練等不等於體罰那他們這種長期受軍事化的管理結果到了中職之後職棒之後薪水突然之間變那麼高他也不知道要怎麼做財務管理然後整個軍事管理呢也趨向於尊重選手\n296377\t312464\t所以我們這些體育班的球隊的孩子的訓練我覺得是我們教育部跟未來的運動部要非常關心的地方所以呢包括他們接觸的人也是很大的問題宿舍的管理員\n313424\t329961\t他有沒有專業的素養我們的教練經常跟他有肢體的接觸基於訓練上的需要但是呢我們光是看監察院的報告或者是這兩年的新聞我們可以看到非常多涉嫌\n330882\t349767\t性侵、猥褻、性騷擾或者是施虐、施暴的這樣的一個狀況非常的頻繁所以呢我在這邊先請教一下我們的部長就是教育部針對這一些現在有沒有建立一些相關的機制\n355069\t374838\t謝謝委員的關心我們這個運動人才的一個培養特別在原住民這個區塊我想我的心情跟這個委員是一樣的我們非常不捨一個從小喜歡運動甚至我們專業的一個判定他是有潛能的小朋友\n375478\t383201\t他為了能夠在希望他這個生涯的一個發展能夠在他的一個潛能能夠開發能夠發光發熱但是我們卻犧牲了教育體制犧牲了對他的學習上知識上的相關的一些這個成長我想我們內部也已經有深切的一個檢討我們也期待說配合運動部以後我們的小學的這個體育班可能要考慮要廢止\n404148\t428713\t那在階段性媒體制限所有的體育班的老師沒有資格放棄任何一個體育班學生的一個所有的學科上的一個學習這也是我想我們內部在討論而且一定會努力來這樣來朝這個方向謝謝部長我就是希望說以剛才的那位職棒球員來講如果他有別的學科專長\n430302\t436419\t他就不會被迫我只能去做板磨工我只能夠到7-11上大夜班\n437941\t466108\t我講的是這樣他們30歲以後的職涯生涯規劃我希望從國小所有的球隊都要來去做這樣的相關機制的檢討那希望能夠列入我們未來教育部的一個制度裡面那接下來請國教署那因為我們同樣關心我們的孩子所以部長我在上個禮拜我有接受一個請託台東\n467523\t486414\t海端鄉來的族人他們的孩子是身心障礙而且是讀特幼班可是您看一下這樣的一個受傷的狀況家長去接的時候老師竟然跟他說是被椅子撞到\n488260\t513110\t醫生跟他說不可能他隔天要求看監視器結果呢看到的都是沒有異狀的畫面他是一直到我這個是根據國教署提供的期程他是一直到被第一次入園調查的時候他才知道原來他的孩子真的有被施暴但是請看一下這個時程1月8號孩子受傷1月9號\n517287\t528460\t教育處有通報但是家長不知道有受虐如常的帶孩子上學老師也還在結果到了1月20號審查小組決議受理\n530490\t548106\t所以1月21那位老師學校給他停職然後直到2月11號才成立調查小組然後直到2月27號家長被調查小組叫來問話的時候他才看到監視器畫面原來我的孩子被施暴受虐的狀況這麼樣的嚴重\n550268\t560359\t所以我想講的是什麼我們本來就知道按照我們教保相關人員的調查處理辦法是要兩個工作日內兩天內就要決定是否受理\n561468\t583326\t可是學校既知道要通報又隱匿家長孩子受虐的事實然後審查小組到1月20號才決議受理2月11號才成立調查小組我覺得很明顯很明顯這個就是不當那如果說我們在這個地方我想要問\n585120\t602357\t部長的就是 國教署的就是我這幾年全國各地接受很多地方來找立法委員陳情可是我真的從來都不知道到底中央對地方政府到底有什麼樣的監管的權利\n603812\t620447\t這是我很困擾的地方來 署長請說不管是學前或是高中以下學校四個階段都有嚴正的處理辦法跟流程的規範我們在今天下班前跟委員會來報告\n622389\t644791\t台東對於這個案子他各個流程走的依不依法有沒有合我們的規範那麼下班前跟您報告那麼第二這個事情在發生的時候馬上就行文去督導了所以以上對這個事情的關注以及對他依法的督導那麼在下班前好完整的跟委員做個回覆謝謝委員我要提的是說其實這一名教師\n646308\t669601\t他在去年就有施暴的記錄但是沒有證據因為學校沒有裝監視器但是那一次之後家長強烈要求學校至少要裝監視器所以這一次我們才有辦法看得到施暴的畫面才有證據才能提告可是多少學校沒有監視器\n671872\t675920\t多少學校不了了之當地方做這樣的調查的時候\n677776\t684781\t我們的中央我們到底有沒有監管的一些機制懲處的機制我真的不知道\n708836\t720862\t這個班級有兩個正式老師有兩個助理教保員他們每天相處在一起八個孩子只有四個孩子這是國教署提供的就有四個小孩子受虐\n722196\t744832\t那這些老師他們還持續的在這是家長很心痛的地方所以我希望我們要討論的是制度希望呢這個監管機制還有現在的監視器調閱辦法的不足監視器的不足還有怎麼樣的一個家長他求告無門求訴無門的時候他可以怎麼做那我想這個部分\n745712\t751441\t剛才署長講得很清楚會提供我們書面報告好那我在這邊就謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝主席好謝謝謝謝吳麗華委員部長\n","txt":"政務司司長\n部長好 署長好去年底 今年初呢有兩個國際賽事讓我們全民熱血沸騰有高度的光榮感那我當時呢也很興奮的把我們原住民參賽的這一些球棒這些球員我一個一個的把他們的足跡寫出來那我要說的是其實如果我們看數據\n原住民在我們台灣 我們的人口佔比是2.5%不到但是如果我們看原棒協 他們提供的原住民選手佔中職選手的比例是高達42.4%可以說原住民的選手撐起我們整個職棒的半邊天\n那如果說以去年十二強跟今年初的經典賽來看的話原住民的選手佔比高達百分之四十八點二就是一半所以我們想要講的就是比賽之後風光的背後\n有一些問題想要請教育部體育署未來的運動部一起來幫幫忙因為我們看到我們有很多很多的選手我們以中職選手來講他們其實他們的平均的打球的一個年份是不到五年退役的平均年齡是28.7歲那這種不到30歲就退休那往後的日子要怎麼過\n像我們舉這個統一師的這個職棒選手來講他是因為財務管理不當所以呢就立刻被快刀斬亂馬因為呢可能\n他們免除後面的隱憂就決定了把他裁撤可是他後來去哪裡他只能去做板磨工他去統一旗下的7-11上大夜班真的是令人不勝唏噓這麼年輕\n所以在這裡我要特別就是想要提到的就是我們常常講不可以使人跌倒我們應該要下定決心不做任何使人跌倒犯罪的事當他們跌倒其實制度也要檢討我們是不是也有這樣的一個共犯結構所以我們培育這麼優秀的選手我們來看一下\n他們在國中我們的原住民棒球的體育生啊目前在111學年度是來到占比三成那為什麼我看到北部都會地區很多的棒球隊隊員啊他們都是從南部來的花東來的那麼小的年紀我也不知道他們到底是住在哪裡但是他們就是離鄉背井\n可能是住在學校的某個地方可能是住在教練安頓的租的一個房子我不知道可是為什麼他們能夠招募到這麼多離鄉背井而來的孩子\n他們認為原住民吃苦耐勞他們可能認為家長他比較沒有意見所以我們招募了很多原住民的孩子加入各樣的一個球隊可是我們來看他們的成績像這個2022年棒球體育生他的會考成績5C的比例達到36%\n所以為什麼會這樣因為學校也不在意他的學科成績啊只在意他們出去比賽的成績啊甚至很多在畢業的時候為了讓他能夠畢業未來能夠U12 U18讓他畢業他給他考那個必勝卷就是一定可以及格的考試卷\n所以非常非常的讓我們感到心疼那在這邊他們也有很多的問題啊例如說他們管教等不等於訓練等不等於體罰那他們這種長期受軍事化的管理結果到了中職之後職棒之後薪水突然之間變那麼高他也不知道要怎麼做財務管理然後整個軍事管理呢也趨向於尊重選手\n所以我們這些體育班的球隊的孩子的訓練我覺得是我們教育部跟未來的運動部要非常關心的地方所以呢包括他們接觸的人也是很大的問題宿舍的管理員\n他有沒有專業的素養我們的教練經常跟他有肢體的接觸基於訓練上的需要但是呢我們光是看監察院的報告或者是這兩年的新聞我們可以看到非常多涉嫌\n性侵、猥褻、性騷擾或者是施虐、施暴的這樣的一個狀況非常的頻繁所以呢我在這邊先請教一下我們的部長就是教育部針對這一些現在有沒有建立一些相關的機制\n謝謝委員的關心我們這個運動人才的一個培養特別在原住民這個區塊我想我的心情跟這個委員是一樣的我們非常不捨一個從小喜歡運動甚至我們專業的一個判定他是有潛能的小朋友\n他為了能夠在希望他這個生涯的一個發展能夠在他的一個潛能能夠開發能夠發光發熱但是我們卻犧牲了教育體制犧牲了對他的學習上知識上的相關的一些這個成長我想我們內部也已經有深切的一個檢討我們也期待說配合運動部以後我們的小學的這個體育班可能要考慮要廢止\n那在階段性媒體制限所有的體育班的老師沒有資格放棄任何一個體育班學生的一個所有的學科上的一個學習這也是我想我們內部在討論而且一定會努力來這樣來朝這個方向謝謝部長我就是希望說以剛才的那位職棒球員來講如果他有別的學科專長\n他就不會被迫我只能去做板磨工我只能夠到7-11上大夜班\n我講的是這樣他們30歲以後的職涯生涯規劃我希望從國小所有的球隊都要來去做這樣的相關機制的檢討那希望能夠列入我們未來教育部的一個制度裡面那接下來請國教署那因為我們同樣關心我們的孩子所以部長我在上個禮拜我有接受一個請託台東\n海端鄉來的族人他們的孩子是身心障礙而且是讀特幼班可是您看一下這樣的一個受傷的狀況家長去接的時候老師竟然跟他說是被椅子撞到\n醫生跟他說不可能他隔天要求看監視器結果呢看到的都是沒有異狀的畫面他是一直到我這個是根據國教署提供的期程他是一直到被第一次入園調查的時候他才知道原來他的孩子真的有被施暴但是請看一下這個時程1月8號孩子受傷1月9號\n教育處有通報但是家長不知道有受虐如常的帶孩子上學老師也還在結果到了1月20號審查小組決議受理\n所以1月21那位老師學校給他停職然後直到2月11號才成立調查小組然後直到2月27號家長被調查小組叫來問話的時候他才看到監視器畫面原來我的孩子被施暴受虐的狀況這麼樣的嚴重\n所以我想講的是什麼我們本來就知道按照我們教保相關人員的調查處理辦法是要兩個工作日內兩天內就要決定是否受理\n可是學校既知道要通報又隱匿家長孩子受虐的事實然後審查小組到1月20號才決議受理2月11號才成立調查小組我覺得很明顯很明顯這個就是不當那如果說我們在這個地方我想要問\n部長的就是 國教署的就是我這幾年全國各地接受很多地方來找立法委員陳情可是我真的從來都不知道到底中央對地方政府到底有什麼樣的監管的權利\n這是我很困擾的地方來 署長請說不管是學前或是高中以下學校四個階段都有嚴正的處理辦法跟流程的規範我們在今天下班前跟委員會來報告\n台東對於這個案子他各個流程走的依不依法有沒有合我們的規範那麼下班前跟您報告那麼第二這個事情在發生的時候馬上就行文去督導了所以以上對這個事情的關注以及對他依法的督導那麼在下班前好完整的跟委員做個回覆謝謝委員我要提的是說其實這一名教師\n他在去年就有施暴的記錄但是沒有證據因為學校沒有裝監視器但是那一次之後家長強烈要求學校至少要裝監視器所以這一次我們才有辦法看得到施暴的畫面才有證據才能提告可是多少學校沒有監視器\n多少學校不了了之當地方做這樣的調查的時候\n我們的中央我們到底有沒有監管的一些機制懲處的機制我真的不知道\n這個班級有兩個正式老師有兩個助理教保員他們每天相處在一起八個孩子只有四個孩子這是國教署提供的就有四個小孩子受虐\n那這些老師他們還持續的在這是家長很心痛的地方所以我希望我們要討論的是制度希望呢這個監管機制還有現在的監視器調閱辦法的不足監視器的不足還有怎麼樣的一個家長他求告無門求訴無門的時候他可以怎麼做那我想這個部分\n剛才署長講得很清楚會提供我們書面報告好那我在這邊就謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝主席好謝謝謝謝吳麗華委員部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.543 --> 00:01.143\n政務司司長\n\n00:19.131 --> 00:47.670\n部長好署長好去年底今年初呢有兩個國際賽事讓我們全民熱血沸騰有高度的光榮感那我當時呢也很興奮的把我們原住民參賽的這一些球棒這些球員我一個一個的把他們的足跡寫出來那我要說的是其實如果我們看數據\n\n00:48.991 --> 01:12.725\n原住民在我們台灣我們的人口佔比是2.5%不到但是如果我們看原棒協他們提供的原住民選手佔中職選手的比例是高達42.4%可以說原住民的選手撐起我們整個職棒的半邊天\n\n01:13.886 --> 01:29.765\n那如果說以去年十二強跟今年初的經典賽來看的話原住民的選手佔比高達百分之四十八點二就是一半所以我們想要講的就是比賽之後風光的背後\n\n01:30.746 --> 01:59.379\n有一些問題想要請教育部體育署未來的運動部一起來幫幫忙因為我們看到我們有很多很多的選手我們以中職選手來講他們其實他們的平均的打球的一個年份是不到五年退役的平均年齡是28.7歲那這種不到30歲就退休那往後的日子要怎麼過\n\n02:01.010 --> 02:14.369\n像我們舉這個統一師的這個職棒選手來講他是因為財務管理不當所以呢就立刻被快刀斬亂馬因為呢可能\n\n02:15.458 --> 02:31.804\n他們免除後面的隱憂就決定了把他裁撤可是他後來去哪裡他只能去做板磨工他去統一旗下的7-11上大夜班真的是令人不勝唏噓這麼年輕\n\n02:35.242 --> 02:59.245\n所以在這裡我要特別就是想要提到的就是我們常常講不可以使人跌倒我們應該要下定決心不做任何使人跌倒犯罪的事當他們跌倒其實制度也要檢討我們是不是也有這樣的一個共犯結構所以我們培育這麼優秀的選手我們來看一下\n\n03:00.166 --> 03:27.800\n他們在國中我們的原住民棒球的體育生啊目前在111學年度是來到占比三成那為什麼我看到北部都會地區很多的棒球隊隊員啊他們都是從南部來的花東來的那麼小的年紀我也不知道他們到底是住在哪裡但是他們就是離鄉背井\n\n03:29.312 --> 03:41.525\n可能是住在學校的某個地方可能是住在教練安頓的租的一個房子我不知道可是為什麼他們能夠招募到這麼多離鄉背井而來的孩子\n\n03:42.728 --> 04:03.021\n他們認為原住民吃苦耐勞他們可能認為家長他比較沒有意見所以我們招募了很多原住民的孩子加入各樣的一個球隊可是我們來看他們的成績像這個2022年棒球體育生他的會考成績5C的比例達到36%\n\n04:05.931 --> 04:18.956\n所以為什麼會這樣因為學校也不在意他的學科成績啊只在意他們出去比賽的成績啊甚至很多在畢業的時候為了讓他能夠畢業未來能夠U12U18讓他畢業他給他考那個必勝卷就是一定可以及格的考試卷\n\n04:27.339 --> 04:55.156\n所以非常非常的讓我們感到心疼那在這邊他們也有很多的問題啊例如說他們管教等不等於訓練等不等於體罰那他們這種長期受軍事化的管理結果到了中職之後職棒之後薪水突然之間變那麼高他也不知道要怎麼做財務管理然後整個軍事管理呢也趨向於尊重選手\n\n04:56.377 --> 05:12.464\n所以我們這些體育班的球隊的孩子的訓練我覺得是我們教育部跟未來的運動部要非常關心的地方所以呢包括他們接觸的人也是很大的問題宿舍的管理員\n\n05:13.424 --> 05:29.961\n他有沒有專業的素養我們的教練經常跟他有肢體的接觸基於訓練上的需要但是呢我們光是看監察院的報告或者是這兩年的新聞我們可以看到非常多涉嫌\n\n05:30.882 --> 05:49.767\n性侵、猥褻、性騷擾或者是施虐、施暴的這樣的一個狀況非常的頻繁所以呢我在這邊先請教一下我們的部長就是教育部針對這一些現在有沒有建立一些相關的機制\n\n05:55.069 --> 06:14.838\n謝謝委員的關心我們這個運動人才的一個培養特別在原住民這個區塊我想我的心情跟這個委員是一樣的我們非常不捨一個從小喜歡運動甚至我們專業的一個判定他是有潛能的小朋友\n\n06:15.478 --> 06:23.201\n他為了能夠在希望他這個生涯的一個發展能夠在他的一個潛能能夠開發能夠發光發熱但是我們卻犧牲了教育體制犧牲了對他的學習上知識上的相關的一些這個成長我想我們內部也已經有深切的一個檢討我們也期待說配合運動部以後我們的小學的這個體育班可能要考慮要廢止\n\n06:44.148 --> 07:08.713\n那在階段性媒體制限所有的體育班的老師沒有資格放棄任何一個體育班學生的一個所有的學科上的一個學習這也是我想我們內部在討論而且一定會努力來這樣來朝這個方向謝謝部長我就是希望說以剛才的那位職棒球員來講如果他有別的學科專長\n\n07:10.302 --> 07:16.419\n他就不會被迫我只能去做板磨工我只能夠到7-11上大夜班\n\n07:17.941 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：謝謝部長，以剛才那位職棒球員來講，如果他有別的學科專長，他就不會被迫只能去做板模工、到7-11上大夜班，他們30歲以後的職涯、生涯規劃，我希望從國小所有球隊都要做相關機制的檢討，希望能夠列入未來教育部制度裡面。","接下來請國教署。因為我們同樣關心孩子，部長，所以在上個禮拜，我有接受一個請託，臺東海端鄉來的族人，他們的孩子是身心障礙，而且是讀特幼班。可是您看一下這樣的受傷狀況，家長去接的時候，老師竟然跟他說是被椅子撞到，醫生跟他說不可能，他隔天要求看監視器，結果看到的都是沒有異狀的畫面。","我這個是根據國教署提供的期程，他是一直到第一次入園調查的時候，他才知道原來他的孩子真的有被施暴。但是請看一下這個時程，1月8號孩子受傷，1月9號教育處有通報，但是家長不知道有受虐，如常帶孩子上學，老師也還在。結果到了1月20號，審查小組決議受理，所以1月21號那位老師學校給他停職，直到2月11號才成立調查小組。然後直到2月27號，家長被調查小組叫來問話的時候，他才看到監視器畫面，原來我的孩子被施暴受虐的狀況這麼樣地嚴重。","我想講的是，我們本來就知道，按照教保相關人員的調查處理辦法，是要2個工作日內，2天內就要決定是否受理耶！可是學校既知道要通報又隱匿家長孩子受虐的事實，然後審查小組到1月20號才決議受理，2月11號才成立調查小組，我覺得很明顯、很明顯這個就是不當。","在這個地方我想要問部長、國教署的就是，我這幾年自全國各地，接受很多地方來找立法委員陳情，可是我真的從來都不知道中央對地方政府到底有什麼樣的監管權力，這是我很困擾的地方。署長請說。"],["彭署長富源：我簡單花10秒跟您報告，不管是學前或是高中以下學校，四個階段都有嚴正的處理辦法跟流程規範。我們在今天下班前跟委員會來報告，臺東對於這個案子，他各個流程走得依不依法、有沒有合我們的規範，那麼下班前跟您報告。第二，這個事情在發生的時候，馬上就有行文去督導。所以以上對這個事情的關注以及對他依法的督導，那麼在下班前完整跟委員做個回復，謝謝委員。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，我要提的是，其實這一名教師他在去年就有施暴紀錄，但是沒有證據，因為學校沒有裝監視器。但是那一次之後，家長強烈要求學校至少要裝監視器，所以這一次我們才有辦法看得到施暴的畫面，才有證據、才能提告。可是多少學校沒有監視器，多少學校不了了之？當地方做這樣的調查的時候，中央到底有沒有監管的一些機制、懲處機制，我真的不知道，所以……"],["彭署長富源：跟委員報告，都有，剛剛跟您報告的那個辦法，它是授權子法的辦法，它不是一般的職權命令而已，所以是全國各級以及各類型主管機關下的學校都得要適用。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。"],["彭署長富源：所以我們用嚴正的辦法層級來督導的話，可以處理到比較完善。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。"],["彭署長富源：現在都比較完備了，我們一一來檢視他的各個動作，下班前跟您回報，謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：這個班級有2個正式老師，有2個助理教保員，他們每天相處在一起。這是國教署提供的，8個孩子就有4個小孩子受虐，這些老師還持續在，這是家長很心痛的地方。所以我們要討論的是制度，希望這個監管機制還有現在監視器調閱辦法的不足，監視器的不足，還有家長求告無門、求訴無門的時候他可以怎麼做，我想這個部分，剛才署長講得很清楚會提供我們書面報告。好，那我在這邊就謝謝部長、謝謝署長。謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝，謝謝伍麗華委員，部長請回。","我們接下來請范雲委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":186,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-22,20-1","speakers":["林宜瑾","葛如鈞","羅廷瑋","柯志恩","萬美玲","劉書彬","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","范雲","李坤城","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","鍾佳濱","張雅琳","林楚茵","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","徐富癸","葉元之","蘇清泉","黃捷","林沛祥","林德福","顏寬恒"],"page_start":117,"meetingDate":["2025-04-09"],"gazette_id":"1143501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143501_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化、財政委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查行政院函請審議「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；\n二、審查委員沈發惠等19人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；\n三、審查委員葉元之等19人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員葛\n如鈞等20人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅廷\n瑋等17人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；六、審查委\n員蔡其昌等16人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員\n王美惠等24人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；八、審\n查委員吳思瑤等18人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；\n九、審查委員郭國文等17人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案","agenda_id":"1143501_00003"}}}