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00:00:53,980\n局長你認為確保能源安全以強化國防韌性是否有正相關當然我想能源安全是整體的國家安全重要的一環好\n\n4\n00:00:55,615 --> 00:01:13,326\n為什麼要談到這個就是要提出台灣面臨的挑戰中關係到能源安全的部分有三個弱點第一個台灣自產的煤油天然氣等能源有限以油為例我們自產佔比率值3.3%整體能源將近有97.3%來自於進口\n\n5\n00:01:22,712 --> 00:01:37,390\n第二,台灣是海島,外購能源只透過海路進口,取得路徑極度受限。第三,與中國大陸距離非常近,海運航路存在極高的潛戰風險。\n\n6\n00:01:42,315 --> 00:02:09,541\n從中共經營封控台海周邊就可以知道以上的弱點美國也注意到AIT處長古立言日前接受媒體的專訪的時候指出洗脫台灣及美國公司非常擔心台灣能源問題美國可以給台灣包含核能的可靠能源來源他還特別強調核能的重要性\n\n7\n00:02:10,141 --> 00:02:39,066\n关于核能放盐全世界可以看到包含美国日本在内都有复振复兴使用核能的状况这是由于很多公司需要有稳定的积载电力尤其在数据中中芯等AI相关产业上一个会议本席和许多同仁对于国防部的议算提出\n\n8\n00:02:40,026 --> 00:03:07,785\n煽动提案这是基于立委的职责但是切不断的执政党的造谣说南白立委这是这个煽动国防议算是在弱化我国的经历是在受中共的指示习近平高兴那现在我们在这里确定的能演的安全和国家的安全高度正相关所以依照民进党的逻辑\n\n9\n00:03:09,166 --> 00:03:32,906\n弱化台湾的能源安全就是弱化国家的安全而民进党长久以来一直反对恒能这个可靠的积载电力来源那废除核四后台湾的能源安全陷入了极度的不安定那按照民进党的逻辑本席有理由相信民进党正在弱化我国的\n\n10\n00:03:33,366 --> 00:04:02,316\n防衛任性配合中共圍台窮台的戰略目標配合中共打擊台灣經濟民生習近平會非常的高興原來最大的在地協力者是民進黨你認為呢我想政府一直在推動能源的多元化委員在圖表上面也有特別指出來像在綠能的部分跟燃氣的部分大概都是現在政府在推動能源多元化這幾年來的一個努力的方向\n\n11\n00:04:03,430 --> 00:04:31,759\n所以你認為我們對於國防的軍力的煽動的部分是對我們藍牌藍牌有些不公平的地方因為有些地方是福報或者說福編的當然我們今天要強力的監督我們的軍備我們的戰力跟我們的經過是不是是不是有精準的你們的計算裡面然後讓我們的這預算能夠\n\n12\n00:04:33,161 --> 00:04:34,070\n戳在刀口上\n\n13\n00:04:35,089 --> 00:05:02,788\n所以今天我們講的剛剛我們徐曉新委員也特別講在這個國安局今天的報告中提到中共對我滲透手法越趨多言加上近期爆發多起疑似民進黨人士遭中共情治單位吸收的成為供點的案件確實發現中共的滲透不只是手法多言對象也非常的多言所以我們疑似供點的民進黨人士的無謀\n\n14\n00:05:05,730 --> 00:05:23,618\n總統府辦公室的姿意聖母還有秋母和黃母在目前來講請問一下這個案件掌握涉案人數層級以及所涉及的機密或情緒範圍有沒有進一步的擴大趨勢另外\n\n15\n00:05:27,934 --> 00:05:51,920\n請教這個是案件是屬於個案的程度還是屬於系統性的案子對跟委員說明一下因為共諜案它涉及到的是背叛國家跟傷害國家的意義所以就我們國安情報團隊來講只要有相關的事證或跡象的話我們一定會啟動我們的機制來做全面的清查不分黨派也不管它是什麼樣的職務那也才會有一些共諜案\n\n16\n00:05:52,740 --> 00:06:17,866\n不斷的被偵辦那我們在夜報當中也去提到在過去這五年就159位遭到起訴那後續來講我想我們努力的重點一方面是速辦第二方面是嚴懲我們希望加強相關偵辦的一個速度達到一個嚇阻的效果不但能夠呈案而且能夠定罪那第二部分要嚴懲的話有涉及到法律可能有必須要再做進一步強化的部分\n\n17\n00:06:18,246 --> 00:06:31,564\n那這部分我們跟法務部也有在討論怎麼樣針對現在的國安法制的一些條文有比較模糊的地方再來做一些必要的修正到時候假如有送到貴院來希望大院能夠來給予支持好請教一下這是系統性的案件\n\n18\n00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:55,234\n就我們共諜案來講大概中共對台的相關的共諜或統戰的滲透它本來就是有系統的,它們都是全面的因為現在已經多區區域的多元化,區項也多元化了它面對所選擇性的都已經是包羅萬象所以是不是已經是作為一個系統性的一個案件了,對不對\n\n19\n00:06:55,974 --> 00:07:13,842\n對中共對台的這些相關的共諜的部署或在地協力者的組織的發展確實有它的一個系統性還有步驟的在推動這是為什麼我們就官單位來講我們自己覺得這樣的一個挑戰非常的大法制面還有在查處面我們都必須要整合我們團隊的力量來進行查處\n\n20\n00:07:15,023 --> 00:07:41,227\n所以既然已經系統性的案件裡面來講的話這個就是我們國安特別特別的注意到因為它是區域多元化而且面對的不分政黨而且是尤其是目前民進黨人士裡面的全面清查不分黨派那那個法務局長請回法務局長請回沒有了那我想請教一下海巡署\n\n21\n00:07:48,977 --> 00:07:59,161\n委員好請問一下署長是否聽到署裡面人員對於加薪有所期望的聲音那另外就是近期媒體探討國軍軍職人員薪資調高海巡署的軍職人員欠位\n\n22\n00:08:05,423 --> 00:08:25,527\n隨時調整導致海巡警察人員心聲不滿但是海巡所卻發聲新聞登載澄清表示這是任職作戰還說政府歷年持續調整軍公教人員的待遇他們的薪水起始不低那我們在國內的這個\n\n23\n00:08:28,655 --> 00:08:55,378\n警察安全人員保護人民是第一個戰線目前我們中共繞台次數已經加倍甚至淩進到我們12海里過去裡面的經濟海域24海里現在已經進入到幾乎到12海里那我們的海巡署是第一站在第一線有沒有必要要為他們發聲\n\n24\n00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:16,351\n調整他們的薪資有沒有這邊特別跟委員澄清那因為這次的412調薪是國軍體系的調薪那我們署裡面的軍職同仁同樣也是列在這個裡面所以沒有所謂的我們軍職同仁沒有調薪這個問題特別跟委員報告\n\n25\n00:09:18,192 --> 00:09:40,952\n那另外我們署名現在有四種身份的人軍警還有文職人員跟官務人員他們適用各自不同的人事法規跟命令待遇跟福利當然有所不同那我們海巡署對於同仁的福利待遇一向都是積極爭取的那這個部分我們會配合行政院政策來全力幫同仁爭取以上報告\n\n26\n00:09:41,172 --> 00:10:08,597\n好橫向聯繫很重要也要跟我們的上層來做一個說明今天海巡署都是站在第一線目前中共的腦台裡面已經對我們台灣的國家的安全非常的威脅所以海巡署我必須跟海巡署人員要說一個道理話應該要有所調整好不好好謝謝委員的鼓勵謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n269\t13111\t有請蔡局長來回調查局局長好那我們請這個蔡局長以及調查局局長好謝謝主席黃委員早早\n15336\t40031\t我們現在提到的是能言安全對防衛韌性的重要性在賴總統去年的宣布成立全社會防衛韌性委員會顯然賴總統將國家安全以及對抗中共壓力的層面擴展到社會、民生、經濟、精神力等方面的那請教一下\n41072\t53980\t局長你認為確保能源安全以強化國防韌性是否有正相關當然我想能源安全是整體的國家安全重要的一環好\n55615\t73326\t為什麼要談到這個就是要提出台灣面臨的挑戰中關係到能源安全的部分有三個弱點第一個台灣自產的煤油天然氣等能源有限以油為例我們自產佔比率值3.3%整體能源將近有97.3%來自於進口\n82712\t97390\t第二,台灣是海島,外購能源只透過海路進口,取得路徑極度受限。第三,與中國大陸距離非常近,海運航路存在極高的潛戰風險。\n102315\t129541\t從中共經營封控台海周邊就可以知道以上的弱點美國也注意到AIT處長古立言日前接受媒體的專訪的時候指出洗脫台灣及美國公司非常擔心台灣能源問題美國可以給台灣包含核能的可靠能源來源他還特別強調核能的重要性\n130141\t159066\t关于核能放盐全世界可以看到包含美国日本在内都有复振复兴使用核能的状况这是由于很多公司需要有稳定的积载电力尤其在数据中中芯等AI相关产业上一个会议本席和许多同仁对于国防部的议算提出\n160026\t187785\t煽动提案这是基于立委的职责但是切不断的执政党的造谣说南白立委这是这个煽动国防议算是在弱化我国的经历是在受中共的指示习近平高兴那现在我们在这里确定的能演的安全和国家的安全高度正相关所以依照民进党的逻辑\n189166\t212906\t弱化台湾的能源安全就是弱化国家的安全而民进党长久以来一直反对恒能这个可靠的积载电力来源那废除核四后台湾的能源安全陷入了极度的不安定那按照民进党的逻辑本席有理由相信民进党正在弱化我国的\n213366\t242316\t防衛任性配合中共圍台窮台的戰略目標配合中共打擊台灣經濟民生習近平會非常的高興原來最大的在地協力者是民進黨你認為呢我想政府一直在推動能源的多元化委員在圖表上面也有特別指出來像在綠能的部分跟燃氣的部分大概都是現在政府在推動能源多元化這幾年來的一個努力的方向\n243430\t271759\t所以你認為我們對於國防的軍力的煽動的部分是對我們藍牌藍牌有些不公平的地方因為有些地方是福報或者說福編的當然我們今天要強力的監督我們的軍備我們的戰力跟我們的經過是不是是不是有精準的你們的計算裡面然後讓我們的這預算能夠\n273161\t274070\t戳在刀口上\n275089\t302788\t所以今天我們講的剛剛我們徐曉新委員也特別講在這個國安局今天的報告中提到中共對我滲透手法越趨多言加上近期爆發多起疑似民進黨人士遭中共情治單位吸收的成為供點的案件確實發現中共的滲透不只是手法多言對象也非常的多言所以我們疑似供點的民進黨人士的無謀\n305730\t323618\t總統府辦公室的姿意聖母還有秋母和黃母在目前來講請問一下這個案件掌握涉案人數層級以及所涉及的機密或情緒範圍有沒有進一步的擴大趨勢另外\n327934\t351920\t請教這個是案件是屬於個案的程度還是屬於系統性的案子對跟委員說明一下因為共諜案它涉及到的是背叛國家跟傷害國家的意義所以就我們國安情報團隊來講只要有相關的事證或跡象的話我們一定會啟動我們的機制來做全面的清查不分黨派也不管它是什麼樣的職務那也才會有一些共諜案\n352740\t377866\t不斷的被偵辦那我們在夜報當中也去提到在過去這五年就159位遭到起訴那後續來講我想我們努力的重點一方面是速辦第二方面是嚴懲我們希望加強相關偵辦的一個速度達到一個嚇阻的效果不但能夠呈案而且能夠定罪那第二部分要嚴懲的話有涉及到法律可能有必須要再做進一步強化的部分\n378246\t391564\t那這部分我們跟法務部也有在討論怎麼樣針對現在的國安法制的一些條文有比較模糊的地方再來做一些必要的修正到時候假如有送到貴院來希望大院能夠來給予支持好 請教一下這是系統性的案件\n393226\t415234\t就我們共諜案來講大概中共對台的相關的共諜或統戰的滲透它本來就是有系統的,它們都是全面的因為現在已經多區區域的多元化,區項也多元化了它面對所選擇性的都已經是包羅萬象所以是不是已經是作為一個系統性的一個案件了,對不對\n415974\t433842\t對 中共對台的這些相關的共諜的部署或在地協力者的組織的發展確實有它的一個系統性還有步驟的在推動這是為什麼我們就官單位來講我們自己覺得這樣的一個挑戰非常的大法制面還有在查處面我們都必須要整合我們團隊的力量來進行查處\n435023\t461227\t所以既然已經系統性的案件裡面來講的話這個就是我們國安特別特別的注意到因為它是區域多元化而且面對的不分政黨而且是尤其是目前民進黨人士裡面的全面清查不分黨派那那個法務局長請回法務局長請回沒有了那我想請教一下海巡署\n468977\t479161\t委員好請問一下署長是否聽到署裡面人員對於加薪有所期望的聲音那另外就是近期媒體探討國軍軍職人員薪資調高海巡署的軍職人員欠位\n485423\t505527\t隨時調整導致海巡警察人員心聲不滿但是海巡所卻發聲新聞登載澄清表示這是任職作戰還說政府歷年持續調整軍公教人員的待遇他們的薪水起始不低那我們在國內的這個\n508655\t535378\t警察安全人員保護人民是第一個戰線目前我們中共繞台次數已經加倍甚至淩進到我們12海里過去裡面的經濟海域24海里現在已經進入到幾乎到12海里那我們的海巡署是第一站在第一線有沒有必要要為他們發聲\n537400\t556351\t調整他們的薪資有沒有這邊特別跟委員澄清那因為這次的412調薪是國軍體系的調薪那我們署裡面的軍職同仁同樣也是列在這個裡面所以沒有所謂的我們軍職同仁沒有調薪這個問題特別跟委員報告\n558192\t580952\t那另外我們署名現在有四種身份的人軍警還有文職人員跟官務人員他們適用各自不同的人事法規跟命令待遇跟福利當然有所不同那我們海巡署對於同仁的福利待遇一向都是積極爭取的那這個部分我們會配合行政院政策來全力幫同仁爭取以上報告\n581172\t608597\t好 橫向聯繫很重要也要跟我們的上層來做一個說明今天海巡署都是站在第一線目前中共的腦台裡面已經對我們台灣的國家的安全非常的威脅所以海巡署 我必須跟海巡署人員要說一個道理話應該要有所調整 好不好好 謝謝委員的鼓勵 謝謝\n","txt":"有請蔡局長來回調查局局長好那我們請這個蔡局長以及調查局局長好謝謝主席黃委員早早\n我們現在提到的是能言安全對防衛韌性的重要性在賴總統去年的宣布成立全社會防衛韌性委員會顯然賴總統將國家安全以及對抗中共壓力的層面擴展到社會、民生、經濟、精神力等方面的那請教一下\n局長你認為確保能源安全以強化國防韌性是否有正相關當然我想能源安全是整體的國家安全重要的一環好\n為什麼要談到這個就是要提出台灣面臨的挑戰中關係到能源安全的部分有三個弱點第一個台灣自產的煤油天然氣等能源有限以油為例我們自產佔比率值3.3%整體能源將近有97.3%來自於進口\n第二,台灣是海島,外購能源只透過海路進口,取得路徑極度受限。第三,與中國大陸距離非常近,海運航路存在極高的潛戰風險。\n從中共經營封控台海周邊就可以知道以上的弱點美國也注意到AIT處長古立言日前接受媒體的專訪的時候指出洗脫台灣及美國公司非常擔心台灣能源問題美國可以給台灣包含核能的可靠能源來源他還特別強調核能的重要性\n关于核能放盐全世界可以看到包含美国日本在内都有复振复兴使用核能的状况这是由于很多公司需要有稳定的积载电力尤其在数据中中芯等AI相关产业上一个会议本席和许多同仁对于国防部的议算提出\n煽动提案这是基于立委的职责但是切不断的执政党的造谣说南白立委这是这个煽动国防议算是在弱化我国的经历是在受中共的指示习近平高兴那现在我们在这里确定的能演的安全和国家的安全高度正相关所以依照民进党的逻辑\n弱化台湾的能源安全就是弱化国家的安全而民进党长久以来一直反对恒能这个可靠的积载电力来源那废除核四后台湾的能源安全陷入了极度的不安定那按照民进党的逻辑本席有理由相信民进党正在弱化我国的\n防衛任性配合中共圍台窮台的戰略目標配合中共打擊台灣經濟民生習近平會非常的高興原來最大的在地協力者是民進黨你認為呢我想政府一直在推動能源的多元化委員在圖表上面也有特別指出來像在綠能的部分跟燃氣的部分大概都是現在政府在推動能源多元化這幾年來的一個努力的方向\n所以你認為我們對於國防的軍力的煽動的部分是對我們藍牌藍牌有些不公平的地方因為有些地方是福報或者說福編的當然我們今天要強力的監督我們的軍備我們的戰力跟我們的經過是不是是不是有精準的你們的計算裡面然後讓我們的這預算能夠\n戳在刀口上\n所以今天我們講的剛剛我們徐曉新委員也特別講在這個國安局今天的報告中提到中共對我滲透手法越趨多言加上近期爆發多起疑似民進黨人士遭中共情治單位吸收的成為供點的案件確實發現中共的滲透不只是手法多言對象也非常的多言所以我們疑似供點的民進黨人士的無謀\n總統府辦公室的姿意聖母還有秋母和黃母在目前來講請問一下這個案件掌握涉案人數層級以及所涉及的機密或情緒範圍有沒有進一步的擴大趨勢另外\n請教這個是案件是屬於個案的程度還是屬於系統性的案子對跟委員說明一下因為共諜案它涉及到的是背叛國家跟傷害國家的意義所以就我們國安情報團隊來講只要有相關的事證或跡象的話我們一定會啟動我們的機制來做全面的清查不分黨派也不管它是什麼樣的職務那也才會有一些共諜案\n不斷的被偵辦那我們在夜報當中也去提到在過去這五年就159位遭到起訴那後續來講我想我們努力的重點一方面是速辦第二方面是嚴懲我們希望加強相關偵辦的一個速度達到一個嚇阻的效果不但能夠呈案而且能夠定罪那第二部分要嚴懲的話有涉及到法律可能有必須要再做進一步強化的部分\n那這部分我們跟法務部也有在討論怎麼樣針對現在的國安法制的一些條文有比較模糊的地方再來做一些必要的修正到時候假如有送到貴院來希望大院能夠來給予支持好 請教一下這是系統性的案件\n就我們共諜案來講大概中共對台的相關的共諜或統戰的滲透它本來就是有系統的,它們都是全面的因為現在已經多區區域的多元化,區項也多元化了它面對所選擇性的都已經是包羅萬象所以是不是已經是作為一個系統性的一個案件了,對不對\n對 中共對台的這些相關的共諜的部署或在地協力者的組織的發展確實有它的一個系統性還有步驟的在推動這是為什麼我們就官單位來講我們自己覺得這樣的一個挑戰非常的大法制面還有在查處面我們都必須要整合我們團隊的力量來進行查處\n所以既然已經系統性的案件裡面來講的話這個就是我們國安特別特別的注意到因為它是區域多元化而且面對的不分政黨而且是尤其是目前民進黨人士裡面的全面清查不分黨派那那個法務局長請回法務局長請回沒有了那我想請教一下海巡署\n委員好請問一下署長是否聽到署裡面人員對於加薪有所期望的聲音那另外就是近期媒體探討國軍軍職人員薪資調高海巡署的軍職人員欠位\n隨時調整導致海巡警察人員心聲不滿但是海巡所卻發聲新聞登載澄清表示這是任職作戰還說政府歷年持續調整軍公教人員的待遇他們的薪水起始不低那我們在國內的這個\n警察安全人員保護人民是第一個戰線目前我們中共繞台次數已經加倍甚至淩進到我們12海里過去裡面的經濟海域24海里現在已經進入到幾乎到12海里那我們的海巡署是第一站在第一線有沒有必要要為他們發聲\n調整他們的薪資有沒有這邊特別跟委員澄清那因為這次的412調薪是國軍體系的調薪那我們署裡面的軍職同仁同樣也是列在這個裡面所以沒有所謂的我們軍職同仁沒有調薪這個問題特別跟委員報告\n那另外我們署名現在有四種身份的人軍警還有文職人員跟官務人員他們適用各自不同的人事法規跟命令待遇跟福利當然有所不同那我們海巡署對於同仁的福利待遇一向都是積極爭取的那這個部分我們會配合行政院政策來全力幫同仁爭取以上報告\n好 橫向聯繫很重要也要跟我們的上層來做一個說明今天海巡署都是站在第一線目前中共的腦台裡面已經對我們台灣的國家的安全非常的威脅所以海巡署 我必須跟海巡署人員要說一個道理話應該要有所調整 好不好好 謝謝委員的鼓勵 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:13.111\n有請蔡局長來回調查局局長好那我們請這個蔡局長以及調查局局長好謝謝主席黃委員早早\n\n00:15.336 --> 00:40.031\n我們現在提到的是能言安全對防衛韌性的重要性在賴總統去年的宣布成立全社會防衛韌性委員會顯然賴總統將國家安全以及對抗中共壓力的層面擴展到社會、民生、經濟、精神力等方面的那請教一下\n\n00:41.072 --> 00:53.980\n局長你認為確保能源安全以強化國防韌性是否有正相關當然我想能源安全是整體的國家安全重要的一環好\n\n00:55.615 --> 01:13.326\n為什麼要談到這個就是要提出台灣面臨的挑戰中關係到能源安全的部分有三個弱點第一個台灣自產的煤油天然氣等能源有限以油為例我們自產佔比率值3.3%整體能源將近有97.3%來自於進口\n\n01:22.712 --> 01:37.390\n第二,台灣是海島,外購能源只透過海路進口,取得路徑極度受限。第三,與中國大陸距離非常近,海運航路存在極高的潛戰風險。\n\n01:42.315 --> 02:09.541\n從中共經營封控台海周邊就可以知道以上的弱點美國也注意到AIT處長古立言日前接受媒體的專訪的時候指出洗脫台灣及美國公司非常擔心台灣能源問題美國可以給台灣包含核能的可靠能源來源他還特別強調核能的重要性\n\n02:10.141 --> 02:39.066\n关于核能放盐全世界可以看到包含美国日本在内都有复振复兴使用核能的状况这是由于很多公司需要有稳定的积载电力尤其在数据中中芯等AI相关产业上一个会议本席和许多同仁对于国防部的议算提出\n\n02:40.026 --> 03:07.785\n煽动提案这是基于立委的职责但是切不断的执政党的造谣说南白立委这是这个煽动国防议算是在弱化我国的经历是在受中共的指示习近平高兴那现在我们在这里确定的能演的安全和国家的安全高度正相关所以依照民进党的逻辑\n\n03:09.166 --> 03:32.906\n弱化台湾的能源安全就是弱化国家的安全而民进党长久以来一直反对恒能这个可靠的积载电力来源那废除核四后台湾的能源安全陷入了极度的不安定那按照民进党的逻辑本席有理由相信民进党正在弱化我国的\n\n03:33.366 --> 04:02.316\n防衛任性配合中共圍台窮台的戰略目標配合中共打擊台灣經濟民生習近平會非常的高興原來最大的在地協力者是民進黨你認為呢我想政府一直在推動能源的多元化委員在圖表上面也有特別指出來像在綠能的部分跟燃氣的部分大概都是現在政府在推動能源多元化這幾年來的一個努力的方向\n\n04:03.430 --> 04:31.759\n所以你認為我們對於國防的軍力的煽動的部分是對我們藍牌藍牌有些不公平的地方因為有些地方是福報或者說福編的當然我們今天要強力的監督我們的軍備我們的戰力跟我們的經過是不是是不是有精準的你們的計算裡面然後讓我們的這預算能夠\n\n04:33.161 --> 04:34.070\n戳在刀口上\n\n04:35.089 --> 05:02.788\n所以今天我們講的剛剛我們徐曉新委員也特別講在這個國安局今天的報告中提到中共對我滲透手法越趨多言加上近期爆發多起疑似民進黨人士遭中共情治單位吸收的成為供點的案件確實發現中共的滲透不只是手法多言對象也非常的多言所以我們疑似供點的民進黨人士的無謀\n\n05:05.730 --> 05:23.618\n總統府辦公室的姿意聖母還有秋母和黃母在目前來講請問一下這個案件掌握涉案人數層級以及所涉及的機密或情緒範圍有沒有進一步的擴大趨勢另外\n\n05:27.934 --> 05:51.920\n請教這個是案件是屬於個案的程度還是屬於系統性的案子對跟委員說明一下因為共諜案它涉及到的是背叛國家跟傷害國家的意義所以就我們國安情報團隊來講只要有相關的事證或跡象的話我們一定會啟動我們的機制來做全面的清查不分黨派也不管它是什麼樣的職務那也才會有一些共諜案\n\n05:52.740 --> 06:17.866\n不斷的被偵辦那我們在夜報當中也去提到在過去這五年就159位遭到起訴那後續來講我想我們努力的重點一方面是速辦第二方面是嚴懲我們希望加強相關偵辦的一個速度達到一個嚇阻的效果不但能夠呈案而且能夠定罪那第二部分要嚴懲的話有涉及到法律可能有必須要再做進一步強化的部分\n\n06:18.246 --> 06:31.564\n那這部分我們跟法務部也有在討論怎麼樣針對現在的國安法制的一些條文有比較模糊的地方再來做一些必要的修正到時候假如有送到貴院來希望大院能夠來給予支持好請教一下這是系統性的案件\n\n06:33.226 --> 06:55.234\n就我們共諜案來講大概中共對台的相關的共諜或統戰的滲透它本來就是有系統的,它們都是全面的因為現在已經多區區域的多元化,區項也多元化了它面對所選擇性的都已經是包羅萬象所以是不是已經是作為一個系統性的一個案件了,對不對\n\n06:55.974 --> 07:13.842\n對中共對台的這些相關的共諜的部署或在地協力者的組織的發展確實有它的一個系統性還有步驟的在推動這是為什麼我們就官單位來講我們自己覺得這樣的一個挑戰非常的大法制面還有在查處面我們都必須要整合我們團隊的力量來進行查處\n\n07:15.023 --> 07:41.227\n所以既然已經系統性的案件裡面來講的話這個就是我們國安特別特別的注意到因為它是區域多元化而且面對的不分政黨而且是尤其是目前民進黨人士裡面的全面清查不分黨派那那個法務局長請回法務局長請回沒有了那我想請教一下海巡署\n\n07:48.977 --> 07:59.161\n委員好請問一下署長是否聽到署裡面人員對於加薪有所期望的聲音那另外就是近期媒體探討國軍軍職人員薪資調高海巡署的軍職人員欠位\n\n08:05.423 --> 08:25.527\n隨時調整導致海巡警察人員心聲不滿但是海巡所卻發聲新聞登載澄清表示這是任職作戰還說政府歷年持續調整軍公教人員的待遇他們的薪水起始不低那我們在國內的這個\n\n08:28.655 --> 08:55.378\n警察安全人員保護人民是第一個戰線目前我們中共繞台次數已經加倍甚至淩進到我們12海里過去裡面的經濟海域24海里現在已經進入到幾乎到12海里那我們的海巡署是第一站在第一線有沒有必要要為他們發聲\n\n08:57.400 --> 09:16.351\n調整他們的薪資有沒有這邊特別跟委員澄清那因為這次的412調薪是國軍體系的調薪那我們署裡面的軍職同仁同樣也是列在這個裡面所以沒有所謂的我們軍職同仁沒有調薪這個問題特別跟委員報告\n\n09:18.192 --> 09:40.952\n那另外我們署名現在有四種身份的人軍警還有文職人員跟官務人員他們適用各自不同的人事法規跟命令待遇跟福利當然有所不同那我們海巡署對於同仁的福利待遇一向都是積極爭取的那這個部分我們會配合行政院政策來全力幫同仁爭取以上報告\n\n09:41.172 --> 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