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00:02:31,756\n所以未來台中機場有機會再擴建它成為真正的它一定要擴建那我們也有一個第三航廈的這個計畫希望未來能夠擴大整體的這個台中的這個機場的這個運量是今年開始規劃還是說這個計畫現在什麼進度我們的計畫現在正在招標中\n\n9\n00:02:37,360 --> 00:03:05,130\n綜合規劃正在招標當中好OK那我就希望說這個東西能夠盡快那再來可以看到說我們從這個數字上來講我想幾個航空站列表來講的話航空站等級台灣機場當然特等嘛這沒有疑問那松山機場是甲等然後高雄小港機場是甲等然後台中的這個機場是乙等那你可以看其實從這個跑道長度跟跑道寬度跟空橋數量的比較當然空橋數量的確確實這個台中機場稍微相對少一點跟松山機場相比的話\n\n10\n00:03:06,010 --> 00:03:22,834\n那跑道長度的話你看我們台中慶春庄機場的跑道長度是3659公尺那它的長度跟這個陶基相比其實相距不遠那在這個規劃上面你會覺得說其實台中機場以長度來講反而也適合\n\n11\n00:03:23,414 --> 00:03:51,069\n停大型的客機比起可能比起松山或比起小港我們停大型客機的這個機率它的航道更長嘛所以在這個航空站等級的時候因為之前宣布它台中升為國際機場之後它的這個等級並沒有提升但我不知道到底問題是卡在哪裡它的優勢有這樣跑到優勢為什麼沒有機會來提升它的這個航空站等級因為您也在台中也很清楚千全崗它原本是一個軍機場而且到目前為止\n\n12\n00:03:51,169 --> 00:04:17,628\n目前為止它還是很重要的一個軍機場所以它軍方的任務其實也還蠻繁重的所以在這個機場先天上有這個限制那另外針對跑道的部分雖然它的長度夠但它跑道的品質還沒有到達可以讓大量的這個大飛機來起降的部分所以這個品質的部分我們還要跟軍方來協調跟協商就整體的跑道長度是夠但品質還沒有到那個程度部長可以確認一下你說這個品質\n\n13\n00:04:19,109 --> 00:04:40,698\n長途之構嘛那個品質要跟軍方來做相關的這個確認但是我想問一下以航空站以民航機場這一段的這個台中機場這個跑道的品質等等的這個維護是由我們交通部是軍方是軍方負責不是交通部負責對那是軍方的跑道所以我們還要拜託我們還要拜託他們把我們跑道弄好一點對對對那這有機會把它這個\n\n14\n00:04:41,860 --> 00:05:07,719\n我們會跟他們一起分擔經費大家一起來做啦大家一起來做到最後就沒有人做啦都是這樣子啦但是那個機場報告委員到目前為止它還是很重要的軍機場是整個中部地區很重要的一個軍機場所以它還是以軍用為主啦目前看起來是以軍用為主但是我現在講的是民航這一段啊基本上居民養它是居民養用嘛但是我們是用它的跑道\n\n15\n00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:22,450\n那個跑道現在也沒有在飛有在飛戰鬥機嗎有啊有啊戰鬥機一直在飛這個我不清楚我一直以為單純是民用機場在飛他不是把那個跑道移交給我們不是是我們一起在合用所以大部分時間其實是在飛軍機\n\n16\n00:05:23,951 --> 00:05:51,119\n好那我們有航班的時候來使用給民航這樣那所以要提升這個如果要提升呃台中機場的跑道的這個品質不是我們交通部負責的業務我們跟他們一起啦我們會跟他們一起討論那並且我們會分擔經費好部長謝謝部長這部分我這個我相對有點有點這個詫異喔我一直以為這個呃民航民用機場的部分已經是歸交通部管了沒想到還要跟這個軍方來合作好那最後一點時間喔那這個\n\n17\n00:05:54,398 --> 00:05:58,023\n屢次的問題因為就下一張屢次的問題因為不是欸上一張\n\n18\n00:05:59,406 --> 00:06:26,995\n屢次的問題因為現在提到說台中機場剛剛也剛剛前面何委員提到說其實現在就是公車的接駁那我們當然期待說所謂的局限能夠盡快的來有進度因為這個是機場捷運的部分那到底現在局限的狀況怎麼樣可以跟我們說一下局限的延伸的部分已經納入可行性評估裡面這個在這個去年對台中市政府已經把它納入了那這個部分其實交通部的部分就是照進度在進行我們也會加快速度來來這個審議\n\n19\n00:06:30,117 --> 00:06:42,749\n什麼時候有沒有什麼進度因為我們去年在送去年交通部審議的時候已經過了嘛那現在送行政院送行政院了嗎這個局限的部分資料有沒有\n\n20\n00:06:44,509 --> 00:06:59,983\n這個部分委員我再查清楚再跟您報告好沒關係因為時間有限了那我們期待說因為台中的這個人口數也真的非常足夠他是中部最重要的城市那機場如果解決完了假設有機會你先說今天提出是綜合規劃\n\n21\n00:07:00,583 --> 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那我就希望說這個東西能夠盡快那再來可以看到說我們從這個數字上來講我想幾個航空站列表來講的話航空站等級台灣機場當然特等嘛 這沒有疑問那松山機場是甲等然後高雄小港機場是甲等然後台中的這個機場是乙等那你可以看其實從這個跑道長度跟跑道寬度跟空橋數量的比較當然空橋數量的確確實這個台中機場稍微相對少一點跟松山機場相比的話\n186010\t202834\t那跑道長度的話你看我們台中慶春庄機場的跑道長度是3659公尺那它的長度跟這個陶基相比其實相距不遠那在這個規劃上面你會覺得說其實台中機場以長度來講反而也適合\n203414\t231069\t停大型的客機比起可能比起松山或比起小港我們停大型客機的這個機率它的航道更長嘛所以在這個航空站等級的時候因為之前宣布它台中升為國際機場之後它的這個等級並沒有提升但我不知道到底問題是卡在哪裡它的優勢有這樣跑到優勢為什麼沒有機會來提升它的這個航空站等級因為您也在台中也很清楚千全崗它原本是一個軍機場而且到目前為止\n231169\t257628\t目前為止它還是很重要的一個軍機場所以它軍方的任務其實也還蠻繁重的所以在這個機場先天上有這個限制那另外針對跑道的部分雖然它的長度夠但它跑道的品質還沒有到達可以讓大量的這個大飛機來起降的部分所以這個品質的部分我們還要跟軍方來協調跟協商就整體的跑道長度是夠但品質還沒有到那個程度部長可以確認一下你說這個品質\n259109\t280698\t長途之構嘛 那個品質要跟軍方來做相關的這個確認但是我想問一下以航空站 以民航機場這一段的這個台中機場這個跑道的品質等等的這個維護是由我們交通部是軍方是軍方負責 不是交通部負責對 那是軍方的跑道所以我們還要拜託我們還要拜託他們把我們跑道弄好一點對對對那這有機會把它這個\n281860\t307719\t我們會跟他們一起分擔經費 大家一起來做啦大家一起來做 到最後就沒有人做啦 都是這樣子啦但是那個機場報告委員 到目前為止它還是很重要的軍機場是整個中部地區很重要的一個軍機場所以它還是以軍用為主啦 目前看起來是以軍用為主但是我現在講的是民航這一段啊 基本上居民養 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謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請交到沐臣部長請部長\n部長一開始也在討論我們台中機場的問題如果是台中人要出國的話除了去台中機場之外我想目前很多人的選擇是到桃園搭乘飛機他的路徑當然是出門搭高鐵然後從高鐵之後轉捷運然後才會到機場這是中部人的日常\n那你可以看一下我們我放了一個空拍圖可以看到說其實我們一直為什麼在想台中機場我們從周邊環境來看\n台北市的我們先扣除掉桃園這個機場因為它已經是台灣最大的國際機場了那我們看其他國際機場我們有幾個比較松山機場、小港機場跟台中機場的周邊環境為什麼要提這個空拍圖給你看你可以看到松山機場跟小港機場的周邊其實基本上因為早期開發比較早所以它的這個周邊的民房它的房子就基本上都蓋滿了所以沒有什麼腹地可能要再擴張可能會相對的比較辛苦一點\n那如果台中機場的話我想台中機場這邊你可以看到它周邊其實它的這個腹地相對來講還是蠻寬闊的那我之前在總諮詢的時候也跟部長提到說我們希望這個對台中的中部地區的照顧能夠多一點我為什麼提這個比如說我用這個圖給你舉例就是講說以金額來講的話小港機場的部分\n我想你知道過去有南北雙空港大計畫為高雄機場投入了880億元改建計畫那台中機場目前正在執行台中機場多少10億不到10億的機場改善工程經費那有6.8億是做機場滑行道工程我想這個差異真的很大那如果說一直講說要增加觀光客要增加中部地區的交通流量等等\n從金額面上來看的話其實我覺得台中相對比較委屈一點不知道怎麼看待這個議題報告委員您所提到的那個十一應該是跑道的改建的部分那針對整體的機場我們也希望會蓋第三航廈我們在2045年之前有一個第三航廈的規劃那我們應該今年的五六月就會開始招標開始規劃這件事情\n所以未來台中機場有機會再擴建它成為真正的它一定要擴建那我們也有一個第三航廈的這個計畫希望未來能夠擴大整體的這個台中的這個機場的這個運量是今年開始規劃還是說這個計畫現在什麼進度我們的計畫現在正在招標中\n綜合規劃正在招標當中好OK 那我就希望說這個東西能夠盡快那再來可以看到說我們從這個數字上來講我想幾個航空站列表來講的話航空站等級台灣機場當然特等嘛 這沒有疑問那松山機場是甲等然後高雄小港機場是甲等然後台中的這個機場是乙等那你可以看其實從這個跑道長度跟跑道寬度跟空橋數量的比較當然空橋數量的確確實這個台中機場稍微相對少一點跟松山機場相比的話\n那跑道長度的話你看我們台中慶春庄機場的跑道長度是3659公尺那它的長度跟這個陶基相比其實相距不遠那在這個規劃上面你會覺得說其實台中機場以長度來講反而也適合\n停大型的客機比起可能比起松山或比起小港我們停大型客機的這個機率它的航道更長嘛所以在這個航空站等級的時候因為之前宣布它台中升為國際機場之後它的這個等級並沒有提升但我不知道到底問題是卡在哪裡它的優勢有這樣跑到優勢為什麼沒有機會來提升它的這個航空站等級因為您也在台中也很清楚千全崗它原本是一個軍機場而且到目前為止\n目前為止它還是很重要的一個軍機場所以它軍方的任務其實也還蠻繁重的所以在這個機場先天上有這個限制那另外針對跑道的部分雖然它的長度夠但它跑道的品質還沒有到達可以讓大量的這個大飛機來起降的部分所以這個品質的部分我們還要跟軍方來協調跟協商就整體的跑道長度是夠但品質還沒有到那個程度部長可以確認一下你說這個品質\n長途之構嘛 那個品質要跟軍方來做相關的這個確認但是我想問一下以航空站 以民航機場這一段的這個台中機場這個跑道的品質等等的這個維護是由我們交通部是軍方是軍方負責 不是交通部負責對 那是軍方的跑道所以我們還要拜託我們還要拜託他們把我們跑道弄好一點對對對那這有機會把它這個\n我們會跟他們一起分擔經費 大家一起來做啦大家一起來做 到最後就沒有人做啦 都是這樣子啦但是那個機場報告委員 到目前為止它還是很重要的軍機場是整個中部地區很重要的一個軍機場所以它還是以軍用為主啦 目前看起來是以軍用為主但是我現在講的是民航這一段啊 基本上居民養 它是居民養用嘛但是我們是用它的跑道\n那個跑道現在也沒有在飛有在飛戰鬥機嗎有啊有啊戰鬥機一直在飛這個我不清楚我一直以為單純是民用機場在飛他不是把那個跑道移交給我們不是是我們一起在合用所以大部分時間其實是在飛軍機\n好那我們有航班的時候來使用給民航這樣那所以要提升這個如果要提升呃台中機場的跑道的這個品質不是我們交通部負責的業務我們跟他們一起啦我們會跟他們一起討論那並且我們會分擔經費好部長謝謝部長這部分我這個我相對有點有點這個詫異喔我一直以為這個呃民航民用機場的部分已經是歸交通部管了沒想到還要跟這個軍方來合作好那最後一點時間喔那這個\n屢次的問題因為就下一張屢次的問題因為不是 欸 上一張\n屢次的問題因為現在提到說台中機場剛剛也剛剛前面何委員提到說其實現在就是公車的接駁那我們當然期待說所謂的局限能夠盡快的來有進度因為這個是機場捷運的部分那到底現在局限的狀況怎麼樣可以跟我們說一下局限的延伸的部分已經納入可行性評估裡面這個在這個去年對台中市政府已經把它納入了那這個部分其實交通部的部分就是照進度在進行我們也會加快速度來來這個審議\n什麼時候有沒有什麼進度因為我們去年在送去年交通部審議的時候已經過了嘛那現在送行政院送行政院了嗎這個局限的部分資料有沒有\n這個部分委員我再查清楚再跟您報告好沒關係因為時間有限了那我們期待說因為台中的這個人口數也真的非常足夠他是中部最重要的城市那機場如果解決完了假設有機會你先說今天提出是綜合規劃\n那我想縱橫規劃裡面一定也包含了對外的交通的部分啦這應該是很重要的評估的重點所以我們當然期待說在縱橫規劃的這部分裡面也包含把機場捷運納入那機場捷運納入的前提當然是機場捷運要有進度嘛所以這部分我們再拜託交通部催促一下好不好那我先到這邊 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.369 --> 00:04.292\n好謝謝主席我們請交到沐臣部長請部長\n\n00:13.430 --> 00:33.312\n部長一開始也在討論我們台中機場的問題如果是台中人要出國的話除了去台中機場之外我想目前很多人的選擇是到桃園搭乘飛機他的路徑當然是出門搭高鐵然後從高鐵之後轉捷運然後才會到機場這是中部人的日常\n\n00:34.593 --> 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