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00:02:33,982\n足協說是台灣國際賽事標準場地的有兩座台北田技場跟高雄國家體育場是嗎?包圍員A級的部分是那我想這個體育署過去推動台灣足球六年的一個計畫編列43億希望足球可以在世界展露我們相關的一些選手讓他們能夠有所發展成為一個真正的一個平台\n\n7\n00:02:34,702 --> 00:02:53,494\n那我想台灣足球提升到100名內呢這個是我們的目標那推動企業足球呢辦職業的一個方式運動發展我想鼓勵各個學校籌組足球隊那新建六座合乎國際標準這個計畫已經結束了因為那個時候是編列在2018到2023成效為何抱怨這個計畫在男主的部分沒有達到目標\n\n8\n00:03:01,737 --> 00:03:10,760\n對審計部也有說截至民國112年底累積執行數是20億多那執行率為47.2我國男子足球是154名2023年所以為達成整個總體的目標花了20幾億推動企業足球的執行率也只有35.18%國家隊的選訓只有36.49\n\n9\n00:03:29,545 --> 00:03:43,126\n我們所編列的這麼多的一個部分的一個預算最後很可惜那各校學校籌組足球隊的比例現在為何目標是幾成包委員我們在基層的隊伍數喔其實有在這過去這\n\n10\n00:03:45,144 --> 00:04:01,211\n八年有大量的成長特別在國小及國中的部分所以我們持續在繼續在推動基層足球的發展署長我們跟部長我們都非常的關注這一類的一個相關賽事那現在我們看到包括這一次所編列我們看到這個計畫審計部都講了\n\n11\n00:04:03,192 --> 00:04:17,999\n是完全不符合我們的一個目標的那你也看到我剛剛所提出的數據我們覺得還有很大的一個進步空間到底該如何再強而有力的而不是只是編列預算供市政府來是不是後續有更積極的一個作為這是我們所關注的\n\n12\n00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:44,413\n當然今天我也很關注這個113學年度國小足球盃世界盃的一個問題後續我們會再來追蹤這一類的事情我想網路都在發酵那我也很感謝署長有在關注這些網路議題署長並不是只坐在辦公室網路的相關議題我相信你都有掌握到我們都在會後再繼續來討論今天時間有限但是我想我要再跟另外再提的是我們這個賽車選手劉鈞妹\n\n13\n00:04:47,028 --> 00:05:08,970\n部長知道嗎部長女選手女選手這是我們教育部有編列的67號那我想要講的是說不要只說我幫劉君妹講話啦因為我剛好認識到她對於這個賽事的認真那所有的非亞奧運我們都應該關注但就劉君妹這個部分我要講先謝謝署長\n\n14\n00:05:10,712 --> 00:05:29,992\n在過去去年四月的時候有幫忙協助但是部長他現在仍在荷蘭參加FIN女子公路賽車世界錦標賽是唯一亞洲代表唯一2024年是唯二2025年是唯一那這一次我們能夠給予什麼協助體育署\n\n15\n00:05:31,872 --> 00:05:49,428\n保元在目前的架構下因為中華賽車會本身也有它內部的問題所以我們在這部分目前的確我委員所期待我們目前是沒有辦法提供太多的協助除了在媒合平台之外去年我們辦了一個記者會啦盡可能去幫忙曝光啦\n\n16\n00:05:49,548 --> 00:06:06,154\n那現階段他在所謂的一個募資平台自己去募資我們看了是很不捨不管是足球不管是我們賽車我們都希望這些選手甚至是非亞奧運的電競選手這些都有辦法給予更大的一個幫助所以我希望部長\n\n17\n00:06:07,832 --> 00:06:21,628\n亞洲唯一代表出賽非同小可台灣不能做事不管教育部體育署應該幫忙協助尤其是體育部未來還要作為運動部的一個成立\n\n18\n00:06:22,989 --> 00:06:42,396\n報委員的確在這部分我們有考量到不只是劉鈞妹還有包括像電競這些職業選手其實我們在運動部也謝謝委員給我們的一些提示我們有準備在運動部成立的時候我們有一個計畫針對這樣子類型的職業選手我們希望跳過特定體育團體我們直接給予他一個協助那這部分我們正在籌劃當中這個籌劃\n\n19\n00:06:44,137 --> 00:07:04,867\n從去年您就跟我說了包委員的確我們在現行的架構真的補助辦法是不是能夠再加快這個我要拜託了好不好謝謝署長我想所有的眾望所歸都希望你能夠趕快完成運動部如果即將掛牌以後到底目前運動部規劃在哪裡有沒有機會來台中聽說在高雄真的還假的\n\n20\n00:07:06,308 --> 00:07:23,461\n包委員目前行政院還沒有做任何的核對你的考量點是什麼有沒有考量點可以講一下包委員就像我們身為首長一天到晚要跑來立法院一樣所以希望車程能夠在20分鐘之內是比較對我們來講那高雄一定不行嗎\n\n21\n00:07:24,361 --> 00:07:47,278\n那我建議第二啦就是台中啦台中比高雄還要近台北多一點啦幫委員這個決定權在行政院上面好啦這我不為難你啦但是我要另外再說我們現在國訓中心的室內網球場地網球比賽場地約略有三種紅土草地跟硬地國訓中心在室內蓋人工草地的網球場問題引起各界划然這個你們有掌握嗎\n\n22\n00:07:48,086 --> 00:08:16,817\n包委員這個原因起因是因為在過去國訓在起這個案子的時候有徵詢過協會那只有軟網協會有意願進到中心來培訓那他們國際的賽事大部分現階段都是用人工這個我都知道這個相關的過程經過盧彥勳的協助之後我們目前也做了一些工程上的一些變更但我們還是要記得雖然是當時只有他們所提出可是網球四大網球公差賽分別是法網\n\n23\n00:08:17,697 --> 00:08:45,803\n他是紅土戶外溫布敦是草地戶外美澳網是硬地可戶外跟室內國際四大網球公開賽跟一般網球的比賽有多少在人工草地上來做比賽所以這個部分上我覺得我們也應該在興建的時候不只是詢問現況到底現實狀況怎麼樣跟國際賽事的趨勢怎麼樣我們也應該好好的考量所以在這個部分上我們是應該做檢討對吧\n\n24\n00:08:47,603 --> 00:08:57,135\n我想運動員最怕受傷喔那我想這個部分鞋子對運動員來說也是非常重要不同的比賽場地穿不同的鞋所以在這一次不管是紐西蘭\n\n25\n00:08:58,952 --> 00:09:24,563\n這次的友誼賽停賽我們支持支持停賽為什麼所有的選手都不能夠因為賽事的這個規格場地不符合而造成選手受傷可能造成不可逆甚至整個選手的生涯可是我們希望後續的檢討跟事前的維護以及剛剛說的SOP訂定甚至是足協相關的人士應不應該要做一個懲罰太足\n\n26\n00:09:26,864 --> 00:09:44,493\n這個都應該要由我們的主管機關幫忙協助去督導這個部分我希望你們能夠關注最後我想請問這個學生營養午餐法剛剛我們有提到這個我們現階段剛剛有委員提到學校衛生法23條3基改食品\n\n27\n00:09:45,313 --> 00:10:09,674\n基改食品我們現在都很關注包括網路上有人在討論基改食品跟非基改食品它的營養可能達到幾乎一樣但是後面的風險我們有沒有不可控相關的一些在實驗上在老鼠上的一個實驗的確有增加腫瘤但人體實驗上有提出依據沒有相關的明顯的一個顯著問題\n\n28\n00:10:12,276 --> 00:10:29,978\n但是有風險對家長來說這三個字就很可怕所以我想部長剛剛所提到的從一開始依法執行到後面開始帶到所謂的現階段的科學並沒有直接的去直指基改食品有一定的問題\n\n29\n00:10:31,099 --> 00:10:59,294\n這些話語都會讓我們作為家長有所擔心尤其國際的趨勢到現階段我們對於美國的態度並不是非常強而有力我們沒有這個本錢能夠強力的去回應那更擔憂在這一次會不會有基改食品來到學生營養午餐內所以在營養午餐法裡面我們也提到了很多的問題我就叫就幾個問題來請教現階段部長您知道嗎學生學校衛生法第23條\n\n30\n00:11:00,655 --> 00:11:18,300\n第一高級中等學校以下班級數40班以上應至少設置營養師一人請問一下目前台灣有多少營養師在協助處理營養午餐的一個事宜佔所有學校多少百分比部長現在大概有一幅動作有600到800位\n\n31\n00:11:26,008 --> 00:11:50,960\n2023年9月的新聞是630名營養師協助處理這個相關營養午餐事宜還有加那個偏鄉的他可能沒有加到偏鄉但是當時的數據是不到19%的學校有營養師在這一次的營養午餐法的訂定當中我們也希望能夠把這個部分能夠明確的去訂定然後去維護營養師學校學生家長\n\n32\n00:11:52,040 --> 00:12:18,653\n相關的一些疑慮而現行大多數都是由教師去擔任營養午餐的祕書去年3月19日我與全教產就召開了這個記者會內容談的就是一般教師兼任午餐祕書這樣的事長久以來國小老師對於兼任午餐祕書都是在做功德午餐祕書是行政工作但是卻沒有工作佳績這個部分在專法還沒完成之前這些擔任午餐祕書老師是不是能給予行政佳績部長\n\n33\n00:12:23,049 --> 00:12:25,652\n目前有49%是由老實監,比較多是行政職也在處理,例如台北市\n\n34\n00:12:39,888 --> 00:12:54,318\n怎麼樣處理是最適合現在地方政府以老實監的部分都採檢科的方式處理至於行政交集的部分上次有報告裁劃法在實施之後地方政府有很大的空間這一部分我們再看行政措施上怎麼大家一起來研商\n\n35\n00:12:55,399 --> 00:13:17,037\n那個召委都站起來了但是我要講啊如果你要說才化法我還是一貫的態度可以事前又事全要求地方政府幫忙協助都沒關係但是一個態度很重要能不能幫忙協助關心這一群午餐祕書是我們後續想要來關注還有剛剛說的營養午餐法以及營養午餐能夠有營養師來幫忙協助這個也希望部長能夠關注謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n329\t1191\t好 謝謝 有請部長好 有請鄭部長好 鄭署長\n21102\t48499\t好 謝謝部長今天我們在修這個運動彩券發行條例21條第21條之一其實多半啊所有的委員大家大致都有一樣的一個想法都希望這個部分能夠更好沒有什麼太大的問題但是有幾點呢我想就叫今天我們對於幾個運動賽事我們非常關注的一個相關事項想來做請問我想剛剛前面幾個委員呢對於紐西蘭女足隊在這一次受邀來台跟台灣女足舉行的一個友誼賽\n49460\t78615\t大家都非常關心也非常關注到底後續該怎麼樣去進行那我想在這一次我們台灣曾經舉辦過2001年亞洲盃女足賽2005年東亞盃資格賽2002年陳水扁總統還提出了說足球元年要向世界盃邁進我想這一場友誼賽真的是讓我們都覺得這是利益良善但是在這一次的國際體育的交流機會連場地都被嫌棄剛剛我想部長也講了一個蠻重的話\n79355\t103945\t那我覺得這個丟臉呢讓大家看到台灣喔台灣竟然會在因為這件事情上被看到我們也覺得是非常不捨但是這個場地上喔到底現在場地我們該怎麼樣後續的一個檢討我想這個是我們應該要來努力的齁那剛剛署長有提到齁每年有編列這樣子的公建費用那有大概一億多相關的縣市政府有來申請台中市有嗎\n106121\t129494\t包委員台中是已經有一個台中一個台中的一個足球園區園區對不對因為我們也正已經宣布正在要處理這個足球園區那我想是說台中有在這樣積極面對這個足球園區的興建當中但是我們現階段也看到一個問題就是我們到底有多少標準的場地有幾座是不是只有\n130254\t153982\t足協說是台灣國際賽事標準場地的有兩座台北田技場跟高雄國家體育場是嗎?包圍員A級的部分是那我想這個體育署過去推動台灣足球六年的一個計畫編列43億希望足球可以在世界展露我們相關的一些選手讓他們能夠有所發展成為一個真正的一個平台\n154702\t173494\t那我想台灣足球提升到100名內呢這個是我們的目標那推動企業足球呢辦職業的一個方式運動發展我想鼓勵各個學校籌組足球隊那新建六座合乎國際標準這個計畫已經結束了因為那個時候是編列在2018到2023成效為何抱怨這個計畫在男主的部分沒有達到目標\n181737\t190760\t對 審計部也有說截至民國112年底累積執行數是20億多那執行率為47.2我國男子足球是154名2023年所以為達成整個總體的目標花了20幾億推動企業足球的執行率也只有35.18%國家隊的選訓只有36.49\n209545\t223126\t我們所編列的這麼多的一個部分的一個預算最後很可惜那各校學校籌組足球隊的比例現在為何目標是幾成包委員我們在基層的隊伍數喔其實有在這過去這\n225144\t241211\t八年有大量的成長特別在國小及國中的部分所以我們持續在繼續在推動基層足球的發展署長我們跟部長我們都非常的關注這一類的一個相關賽事那現在我們看到包括這一次所編列我們看到這個計畫審計部都講了\n243192\t257999\t是完全不符合我們的一個目標的那你也看到我剛剛所提出的數據我們覺得還有很大的一個進步空間到底該如何再強而有力的而不是只是編列預算供市政府來是不是後續有更積極的一個作為這是我們所關注的\n258639\t284413\t當然今天我也很關注這個113學年度國小足球盃世界盃的一個問題後續我們會再來追蹤這一類的事情我想網路都在發酵那我也很感謝署長有在關注這些網路議題署長並不是只坐在辦公室網路的相關議題我相信你都有掌握到我們都在會後再繼續來討論今天時間有限但是我想我要再跟另外再提的是我們這個賽車選手劉鈞妹\n287028\t308970\t部長知道嗎部長女選手女選手這是我們教育部有編列的67號那我想要講的是說不要只說我幫劉君妹講話啦因為我剛好認識到她對於這個賽事的認真那所有的非亞奧運我們都應該關注但就劉君妹這個部分我要講先謝謝署長\n310712\t329992\t在過去去年四月的時候有幫忙協助但是部長他現在仍在荷蘭參加FIN女子公路賽車世界錦標賽是唯一亞洲代表唯一2024年是唯二2025年是唯一那這一次我們能夠給予什麼協助 體育署\n331872\t349428\t保元在目前的架構下因為中華賽車會本身也有它內部的問題所以我們在這部分目前的確我委員所期待我們目前是沒有辦法提供太多的協助除了在媒合平台之外去年我們辦了一個記者會啦盡可能去幫忙曝光啦\n349548\t366154\t那現階段他在所謂的一個募資平台自己去募資我們看了是很不捨不管是足球不管是我們賽車我們都希望這些選手甚至是非亞奧運的電競選手這些都有辦法給予更大的一個幫助所以我希望部長\n367832\t381628\t亞洲唯一代表出賽非同小可台灣不能做事不管教育部體育署應該幫忙協助尤其是體育部未來還要作為運動部的一個成立\n382989\t402396\t報委員的確在這部分我們有考量到不只是劉鈞妹還有包括像電競這些職業選手其實我們在運動部也謝謝委員給我們的一些提示我們有準備在運動部成立的時候我們有一個計畫針對這樣子類型的職業選手我們希望跳過特定體育團體我們直接給予他一個協助那這部分我們正在籌劃當中這個籌劃\n404137\t424867\t從去年您就跟我說了包委員的確我們在現行的架構真的補助辦法是不是能夠再加快這個我要拜託了好不好謝謝署長我想所有的眾望所歸都希望你能夠趕快完成運動部如果即將掛牌以後到底目前運動部規劃在哪裡有沒有機會來台中聽說在高雄真的還假的\n426308\t443461\t包委員目前行政院還沒有做任何的核對你的考量點是什麼有沒有考量點可以講一下包委員就像我們身為首長一天到晚要跑來立法院一樣所以希望車程能夠在20分鐘之內是比較對我們來講那高雄一定不行嗎\n444361\t467278\t那我建議第二啦就是台中啦台中比高雄還要近台北多一點啦幫委員這個決定權在行政院上面好啦這我不為難你啦但是我要另外再說我們現在國訓中心的室內網球場地網球比賽場地約略有三種紅土草地跟硬地國訓中心在室內蓋人工草地的網球場問題引起各界划然這個你們有掌握嗎\n468086\t496817\t包委員這個原因起因是因為在過去國訓在起這個案子的時候有徵詢過協會那只有軟網協會有意願進到中心來培訓那他們國際的賽事大部分現階段都是用人工這個我都知道這個相關的過程經過盧彥勳的協助之後我們目前也做了一些工程上的一些變更但我們還是要記得雖然是當時只有他們所提出可是網球四大網球公差賽分別是法網\n497697\t525803\t他是紅土戶外溫布敦是草地戶外美澳網是硬地可戶外跟室內國際四大網球公開賽跟一般網球的比賽有多少在人工草地上來做比賽所以這個部分上我覺得我們也應該在興建的時候不只是詢問現況到底現實狀況怎麼樣跟國際賽事的趨勢怎麼樣我們也應該好好的考量所以在這個部分上我們是應該做檢討對吧\n527603\t537135\t我想運動員最怕受傷喔那我想這個部分鞋子對運動員來說也是非常重要不同的比賽場地穿不同的鞋所以在這一次不管是紐西蘭\n538952\t564563\t這次的友誼賽停賽我們支持支持停賽為什麼所有的選手都不能夠因為賽事的這個規格場地不符合而造成選手受傷可能造成不可逆甚至整個選手的生涯可是我們希望後續的檢討跟事前的維護以及剛剛說的SOP訂定甚至是足協相關的人士應不應該要做一個懲罰太足\n566864\t584493\t這個都應該要由我們的主管機關幫忙協助去督導這個部分我希望你們能夠關注最後我想請問這個學生營養午餐法剛剛我們有提到這個我們現階段剛剛有委員提到學校衛生法23條3基改食品\n585313\t609674\t基改食品我們現在都很關注包括網路上有人在討論基改食品跟非基改食品它的營養可能達到幾乎一樣但是後面的風險我們有沒有不可控相關的一些在實驗上在老鼠上的一個實驗的確有增加腫瘤但人體實驗上有提出依據沒有相關的明顯的一個顯著問題\n612276\t629978\t但是有風險對家長來說這三個字就很可怕所以我想部長剛剛所提到的從一開始依法執行到後面開始帶到所謂的現階段的科學並沒有直接的去直指基改食品有一定的問題\n631099\t659294\t這些話語都會讓我們作為家長有所擔心尤其國際的趨勢到現階段我們對於美國的態度並不是非常強而有力我們沒有這個本錢能夠強力的去回應那更擔憂在這一次會不會有基改食品來到學生營養午餐內所以在營養午餐法裡面我們也提到了很多的問題我就叫就幾個問題來請教現階段部長您知道嗎學生學校衛生法第23條\n660655\t678300\t第一高級中等學校以下班級數40班以上應至少設置營養師一人請問一下目前台灣有多少營養師在協助處理營養午餐的一個事宜佔所有學校多少百分比部長現在大概有一幅動作有600到800位\n686008\t710960\t2023年9月的新聞是630名營養師協助處理這個相關營養午餐事宜還有加那個偏鄉的他可能沒有加到偏鄉但是當時的數據是不到19%的學校有營養師在這一次的營養午餐法的訂定當中我們也希望能夠把這個部分能夠明確的去訂定然後去維護營養師 學校 學生 家長\n712040\t738653\t相關的一些疑慮而現行大多數都是由教師去擔任營養午餐的祕書去年3月19日我與全教產就召開了這個記者會內容談的就是一般教師兼任午餐祕書這樣的事長久以來國小老師對於兼任午餐祕書都是在做功德午餐祕書是行政工作但是卻沒有工作佳績這個部分在專法還沒完成之前這些擔任午餐祕書老師是不是能給予行政佳績部長\n743049\t745652\t目前有49%是由老實監,比較多是行政職也在處理,例如台北市\n759888\t774318\t怎麼樣處理是最適合現在地方政府以老實監的部分都採檢科的方式處理至於行政交集的部分上次有報告裁劃法在實施之後地方政府有很大的空間這一部分我們再看行政措施上怎麼大家一起來研商\n775399\t797037\t那個召委都站起來了但是我要講啊如果你要說才化法我還是一貫的態度可以事前又事全要求地方政府幫忙協助都沒關係但是一個態度很重要能不能幫忙協助關心這一群午餐祕書是我們後續想要來關注還有剛剛說的營養午餐法以及營養午餐能夠有營養師來幫忙協助這個也希望部長能夠關注謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝 有請部長好 有請鄭部長好 鄭署長\n好 謝謝部長今天我們在修這個運動彩券發行條例21條第21條之一其實多半啊所有的委員大家大致都有一樣的一個想法都希望這個部分能夠更好沒有什麼太大的問題但是有幾點呢我想就叫今天我們對於幾個運動賽事我們非常關注的一個相關事項想來做請問我想剛剛前面幾個委員呢對於紐西蘭女足隊在這一次受邀來台跟台灣女足舉行的一個友誼賽\n大家都非常關心也非常關注到底後續該怎麼樣去進行那我想在這一次我們台灣曾經舉辦過2001年亞洲盃女足賽2005年東亞盃資格賽2002年陳水扁總統還提出了說足球元年要向世界盃邁進我想這一場友誼賽真的是讓我們都覺得這是利益良善但是在這一次的國際體育的交流機會連場地都被嫌棄剛剛我想部長也講了一個蠻重的話\n那我覺得這個丟臉呢讓大家看到台灣喔台灣竟然會在因為這件事情上被看到我們也覺得是非常不捨但是這個場地上喔到底現在場地我們該怎麼樣後續的一個檢討我想這個是我們應該要來努力的齁那剛剛署長有提到齁每年有編列這樣子的公建費用那有大概一億多相關的縣市政府有來申請台中市有嗎\n包委員台中是已經有一個台中一個台中的一個足球園區園區對不對因為我們也正已經宣布正在要處理這個足球園區那我想是說台中有在這樣積極面對這個足球園區的興建當中但是我們現階段也看到一個問題就是我們到底有多少標準的場地有幾座是不是只有\n足協說是台灣國際賽事標準場地的有兩座台北田技場跟高雄國家體育場是嗎?包圍員A級的部分是那我想這個體育署過去推動台灣足球六年的一個計畫編列43億希望足球可以在世界展露我們相關的一些選手讓他們能夠有所發展成為一個真正的一個平台\n那我想台灣足球提升到100名內呢這個是我們的目標那推動企業足球呢辦職業的一個方式運動發展我想鼓勵各個學校籌組足球隊那新建六座合乎國際標準這個計畫已經結束了因為那個時候是編列在2018到2023成效為何抱怨這個計畫在男主的部分沒有達到目標\n對 審計部也有說截至民國112年底累積執行數是20億多那執行率為47.2我國男子足球是154名2023年所以為達成整個總體的目標花了20幾億推動企業足球的執行率也只有35.18%國家隊的選訓只有36.49\n我們所編列的這麼多的一個部分的一個預算最後很可惜那各校學校籌組足球隊的比例現在為何目標是幾成包委員我們在基層的隊伍數喔其實有在這過去這\n八年有大量的成長特別在國小及國中的部分所以我們持續在繼續在推動基層足球的發展署長我們跟部長我們都非常的關注這一類的一個相關賽事那現在我們看到包括這一次所編列我們看到這個計畫審計部都講了\n是完全不符合我們的一個目標的那你也看到我剛剛所提出的數據我們覺得還有很大的一個進步空間到底該如何再強而有力的而不是只是編列預算供市政府來是不是後續有更積極的一個作為這是我們所關注的\n當然今天我也很關注這個113學年度國小足球盃世界盃的一個問題後續我們會再來追蹤這一類的事情我想網路都在發酵那我也很感謝署長有在關注這些網路議題署長並不是只坐在辦公室網路的相關議題我相信你都有掌握到我們都在會後再繼續來討論今天時間有限但是我想我要再跟另外再提的是我們這個賽車選手劉鈞妹\n部長知道嗎部長女選手女選手這是我們教育部有編列的67號那我想要講的是說不要只說我幫劉君妹講話啦因為我剛好認識到她對於這個賽事的認真那所有的非亞奧運我們都應該關注但就劉君妹這個部分我要講先謝謝署長\n在過去去年四月的時候有幫忙協助但是部長他現在仍在荷蘭參加FIN女子公路賽車世界錦標賽是唯一亞洲代表唯一2024年是唯二2025年是唯一那這一次我們能夠給予什麼協助 體育署\n保元在目前的架構下因為中華賽車會本身也有它內部的問題所以我們在這部分目前的確我委員所期待我們目前是沒有辦法提供太多的協助除了在媒合平台之外去年我們辦了一個記者會啦盡可能去幫忙曝光啦\n那現階段他在所謂的一個募資平台自己去募資我們看了是很不捨不管是足球不管是我們賽車我們都希望這些選手甚至是非亞奧運的電競選手這些都有辦法給予更大的一個幫助所以我希望部長\n亞洲唯一代表出賽非同小可台灣不能做事不管教育部體育署應該幫忙協助尤其是體育部未來還要作為運動部的一個成立\n報委員的確在這部分我們有考量到不只是劉鈞妹還有包括像電競這些職業選手其實我們在運動部也謝謝委員給我們的一些提示我們有準備在運動部成立的時候我們有一個計畫針對這樣子類型的職業選手我們希望跳過特定體育團體我們直接給予他一個協助那這部分我們正在籌劃當中這個籌劃\n從去年您就跟我說了包委員的確我們在現行的架構真的補助辦法是不是能夠再加快這個我要拜託了好不好謝謝署長我想所有的眾望所歸都希望你能夠趕快完成運動部如果即將掛牌以後到底目前運動部規劃在哪裡有沒有機會來台中聽說在高雄真的還假的\n包委員目前行政院還沒有做任何的核對你的考量點是什麼有沒有考量點可以講一下包委員就像我們身為首長一天到晚要跑來立法院一樣所以希望車程能夠在20分鐘之內是比較對我們來講那高雄一定不行嗎\n那我建議第二啦就是台中啦台中比高雄還要近台北多一點啦幫委員這個決定權在行政院上面好啦這我不為難你啦但是我要另外再說我們現在國訓中心的室內網球場地網球比賽場地約略有三種紅土草地跟硬地國訓中心在室內蓋人工草地的網球場問題引起各界划然這個你們有掌握嗎\n包委員這個原因起因是因為在過去國訓在起這個案子的時候有徵詢過協會那只有軟網協會有意願進到中心來培訓那他們國際的賽事大部分現階段都是用人工這個我都知道這個相關的過程經過盧彥勳的協助之後我們目前也做了一些工程上的一些變更但我們還是要記得雖然是當時只有他們所提出可是網球四大網球公差賽分別是法網\n他是紅土戶外溫布敦是草地戶外美澳網是硬地可戶外跟室內國際四大網球公開賽跟一般網球的比賽有多少在人工草地上來做比賽所以這個部分上我覺得我們也應該在興建的時候不只是詢問現況到底現實狀況怎麼樣跟國際賽事的趨勢怎麼樣我們也應該好好的考量所以在這個部分上我們是應該做檢討對吧\n我想運動員最怕受傷喔那我想這個部分鞋子對運動員來說也是非常重要不同的比賽場地穿不同的鞋所以在這一次不管是紐西蘭\n這次的友誼賽停賽我們支持支持停賽為什麼所有的選手都不能夠因為賽事的這個規格場地不符合而造成選手受傷可能造成不可逆甚至整個選手的生涯可是我們希望後續的檢討跟事前的維護以及剛剛說的SOP訂定甚至是足協相關的人士應不應該要做一個懲罰太足\n這個都應該要由我們的主管機關幫忙協助去督導這個部分我希望你們能夠關注最後我想請問這個學生營養午餐法剛剛我們有提到這個我們現階段剛剛有委員提到學校衛生法23條3基改食品\n基改食品我們現在都很關注包括網路上有人在討論基改食品跟非基改食品它的營養可能達到幾乎一樣但是後面的風險我們有沒有不可控相關的一些在實驗上在老鼠上的一個實驗的確有增加腫瘤但人體實驗上有提出依據沒有相關的明顯的一個顯著問題\n但是有風險對家長來說這三個字就很可怕所以我想部長剛剛所提到的從一開始依法執行到後面開始帶到所謂的現階段的科學並沒有直接的去直指基改食品有一定的問題\n這些話語都會讓我們作為家長有所擔心尤其國際的趨勢到現階段我們對於美國的態度並不是非常強而有力我們沒有這個本錢能夠強力的去回應那更擔憂在這一次會不會有基改食品來到學生營養午餐內所以在營養午餐法裡面我們也提到了很多的問題我就叫就幾個問題來請教現階段部長您知道嗎學生學校衛生法第23條\n第一高級中等學校以下班級數40班以上應至少設置營養師一人請問一下目前台灣有多少營養師在協助處理營養午餐的一個事宜佔所有學校多少百分比部長現在大概有一幅動作有600到800位\n2023年9月的新聞是630名營養師協助處理這個相關營養午餐事宜還有加那個偏鄉的他可能沒有加到偏鄉但是當時的數據是不到19%的學校有營養師在這一次的營養午餐法的訂定當中我們也希望能夠把這個部分能夠明確的去訂定然後去維護營養師 學校 學生 家長\n相關的一些疑慮而現行大多數都是由教師去擔任營養午餐的祕書去年3月19日我與全教產就召開了這個記者會內容談的就是一般教師兼任午餐祕書這樣的事長久以來國小老師對於兼任午餐祕書都是在做功德午餐祕書是行政工作但是卻沒有工作佳績這個部分在專法還沒完成之前這些擔任午餐祕書老師是不是能給予行政佳績部長\n目前有49%是由老實監,比較多是行政職也在處理,例如台北市\n怎麼樣處理是最適合現在地方政府以老實監的部分都採檢科的方式處理至於行政交集的部分上次有報告裁劃法在實施之後地方政府有很大的空間這一部分我們再看行政措施上怎麼大家一起來研商\n那個召委都站起來了但是我要講啊如果你要說才化法我還是一貫的態度可以事前又事全要求地方政府幫忙協助都沒關係但是一個態度很重要能不能幫忙協助關心這一群午餐祕書是我們後續想要來關注還有剛剛說的營養午餐法以及營養午餐能夠有營養師來幫忙協助這個也希望部長能夠關注謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.329 --> 00:01.191\n好謝謝有請部長好有請鄭部長好鄭署長\n\n00:21.102 --> 00:48.499\n好謝謝部長今天我們在修這個運動彩券發行條例21條第21條之一其實多半啊所有的委員大家大致都有一樣的一個想法都希望這個部分能夠更好沒有什麼太大的問題但是有幾點呢我想就叫今天我們對於幾個運動賽事我們非常關注的一個相關事項想來做請問我想剛剛前面幾個委員呢對於紐西蘭女足隊在這一次受邀來台跟台灣女足舉行的一個友誼賽\n\n00:49.460 --> 01:18.615\n大家都非常關心也非常關注到底後續該怎麼樣去進行那我想在這一次我們台灣曾經舉辦過2001年亞洲盃女足賽2005年東亞盃資格賽2002年陳水扁總統還提出了說足球元年要向世界盃邁進我想這一場友誼賽真的是讓我們都覺得這是利益良善但是在這一次的國際體育的交流機會連場地都被嫌棄剛剛我想部長也講了一個蠻重的話\n\n01:19.355 --> 01:43.945\n那我覺得這個丟臉呢讓大家看到台灣喔台灣竟然會在因為這件事情上被看到我們也覺得是非常不捨但是這個場地上喔到底現在場地我們該怎麼樣後續的一個檢討我想這個是我們應該要來努力的齁那剛剛署長有提到齁每年有編列這樣子的公建費用那有大概一億多相關的縣市政府有來申請台中市有嗎\n\n01:46.121 --> 02:09.494\n包委員台中是已經有一個台中一個台中的一個足球園區園區對不對因為我們也正已經宣布正在要處理這個足球園區那我想是說台中有在這樣積極面對這個足球園區的興建當中但是我們現階段也看到一個問題就是我們到底有多少標準的場地有幾座是不是只有\n\n02:10.254 --> 02:33.982\n足協說是台灣國際賽事標準場地的有兩座台北田技場跟高雄國家體育場是嗎?包圍員A級的部分是那我想這個體育署過去推動台灣足球六年的一個計畫編列43億希望足球可以在世界展露我們相關的一些選手讓他們能夠有所發展成為一個真正的一個平台\n\n02:34.702 --> 02:53.494\n那我想台灣足球提升到100名內呢這個是我們的目標那推動企業足球呢辦職業的一個方式運動發展我想鼓勵各個學校籌組足球隊那新建六座合乎國際標準這個計畫已經結束了因為那個時候是編列在2018到2023成效為何抱怨這個計畫在男主的部分沒有達到目標\n\n03:01.737 --> 03:10.760\n對審計部也有說截至民國112年底累積執行數是20億多那執行率為47.2我國男子足球是154名2023年所以為達成整個總體的目標花了20幾億推動企業足球的執行率也只有35.18%國家隊的選訓只有36.49\n\n03:29.545 --> 03:43.126\n我們所編列的這麼多的一個部分的一個預算最後很可惜那各校學校籌組足球隊的比例現在為何目標是幾成包委員我們在基層的隊伍數喔其實有在這過去這\n\n03:45.144 --> 04:01.211\n八年有大量的成長特別在國小及國中的部分所以我們持續在繼續在推動基層足球的發展署長我們跟部長我們都非常的關注這一類的一個相關賽事那現在我們看到包括這一次所編列我們看到這個計畫審計部都講了\n\n04:03.192 --> 04:17.999\n是完全不符合我們的一個目標的那你也看到我剛剛所提出的數據我們覺得還有很大的一個進步空間到底該如何再強而有力的而不是只是編列預算供市政府來是不是後續有更積極的一個作為這是我們所關注的\n\n04:18.639 --> 04:44.413\n當然今天我也很關注這個113學年度國小足球盃世界盃的一個問題後續我們會再來追蹤這一類的事情我想網路都在發酵那我也很感謝署長有在關注這些網路議題署長並不是只坐在辦公室網路的相關議題我相信你都有掌握到我們都在會後再繼續來討論今天時間有限但是我想我要再跟另外再提的是我們這個賽車選手劉鈞妹\n\n04:47.028 --> 05:08.970\n部長知道嗎部長女選手女選手這是我們教育部有編列的67號那我想要講的是說不要只說我幫劉君妹講話啦因為我剛好認識到她對於這個賽事的認真那所有的非亞奧運我們都應該關注但就劉君妹這個部分我要講先謝謝署長\n\n05:10.712 --> 05:29.992\n在過去去年四月的時候有幫忙協助但是部長他現在仍在荷蘭參加FIN女子公路賽車世界錦標賽是唯一亞洲代表唯一2024年是唯二2025年是唯一那這一次我們能夠給予什麼協助體育署\n\n05:31.872 --> 05:49.428\n保元在目前的架構下因為中華賽車會本身也有它內部的問題所以我們在這部分目前的確我委員所期待我們目前是沒有辦法提供太多的協助除了在媒合平台之外去年我們辦了一個記者會啦盡可能去幫忙曝光啦\n\n05:49.548 --> 06:06.154\n那現階段他在所謂的一個募資平台自己去募資我們看了是很不捨不管是足球不管是我們賽車我們都希望這些選手甚至是非亞奧運的電競選手這些都有辦法給予更大的一個幫助所以我希望部長\n\n06:07.832 --> 06:21.628\n亞洲唯一代表出賽非同小可台灣不能做事不管教育部體育署應該幫忙協助尤其是體育部未來還要作為運動部的一個成立\n\n06:22.989 --> 06:42.396\n報委員的確在這部分我們有考量到不只是劉鈞妹還有包括像電競這些職業選手其實我們在運動部也謝謝委員給我們的一些提示我們有準備在運動部成立的時候我們有一個計畫針對這樣子類型的職業選手我們希望跳過特定體育團體我們直接給予他一個協助那這部分我們正在籌劃當中這個籌劃\n\n06:44.137 --> 07:04.867\n從去年您就跟我說了包委員的確我們在現行的架構真的補助辦法是不是能夠再加快這個我要拜託了好不好謝謝署長我想所有的眾望所歸都希望你能夠趕快完成運動部如果即將掛牌以後到底目前運動部規劃在哪裡有沒有機會來台中聽說在高雄真的還假的\n\n07:06.308 --> 07:23.461\n包委員目前行政院還沒有做任何的核對你的考量點是什麼有沒有考量點可以講一下包委員就像我們身為首長一天到晚要跑來立法院一樣所以希望車程能夠在20分鐘之內是比較對我們來講那高雄一定不行嗎\n\n07:24.361 --> 07:47.278\n那我建議第二啦就是台中啦台中比高雄還要近台北多一點啦幫委員這個決定權在行政院上面好啦這我不為難你啦但是我要另外再說我們現在國訓中心的室內網球場地網球比賽場地約略有三種紅土草地跟硬地國訓中心在室內蓋人工草地的網球場問題引起各界划然這個你們有掌握嗎\n\n07:48.086 --> 08:16.817\n包委員這個原因起因是因為在過去國訓在起這個案子的時候有徵詢過協會那只有軟網協會有意願進到中心來培訓那他們國際的賽事大部分現階段都是用人工這個我都知道這個相關的過程經過盧彥勳的協助之後我們目前也做了一些工程上的一些變更但我們還是要記得雖然是當時只有他們所提出可是網球四大網球公差賽分別是法網\n\n08:17.697 --> 08:45.803\n他是紅土戶外溫布敦是草地戶外美澳網是硬地可戶外跟室內國際四大網球公開賽跟一般網球的比賽有多少在人工草地上來做比賽所以這個部分上我覺得我們也應該在興建的時候不只是詢問現況到底現實狀況怎麼樣跟國際賽事的趨勢怎麼樣我們也應該好好的考量所以在這個部分上我們是應該做檢討對吧\n\n08:47.603 --> 08:57.135\n我想運動員最怕受傷喔那我想這個部分鞋子對運動員來說也是非常重要不同的比賽場地穿不同的鞋所以在這一次不管是紐西蘭\n\n08:58.952 --> 09:24.563\n這次的友誼賽停賽我們支持支持停賽為什麼所有的選手都不能夠因為賽事的這個規格場地不符合而造成選手受傷可能造成不可逆甚至整個選手的生涯可是我們希望後續的檢討跟事前的維護以及剛剛說的SOP訂定甚至是足協相關的人士應不應該要做一個懲罰太足\n\n09:26.864 --> 09:44.493\n這個都應該要由我們的主管機關幫忙協助去督導這個部分我希望你們能夠關注最後我想請問這個學生營養午餐法剛剛我們有提到這個我們現階段剛剛有委員提到學校衛生法23條3基改食品\n\n09:45.313 --> 10:09.674\n基改食品我們現在都很關注包括網路上有人在討論基改食品跟非基改食品它的營養可能達到幾乎一樣但是後面的風險我們有沒有不可控相關的一些在實驗上在老鼠上的一個實驗的確有增加腫瘤但人體實驗上有提出依據沒有相關的明顯的一個顯著問題\n\n10:12.276 --> 10:29.978\n但是有風險對家長來說這三個字就很可怕所以我想部長剛剛所提到的從一開始依法執行到後面開始帶到所謂的現階段的科學並沒有直接的去直指基改食品有一定的問題\n\n10:31.099 --> 10:59.294\n這些話語都會讓我們作為家長有所擔心尤其國際的趨勢到現階段我們對於美國的態度並不是非常強而有力我們沒有這個本錢能夠強力的去回應那更擔憂在這一次會不會有基改食品來到學生營養午餐內所以在營養午餐法裡面我們也提到了很多的問題我就叫就幾個問題來請教現階段部長您知道嗎學生學校衛生法第23條\n\n11:00.655 --> 11:18.300\n第一高級中等學校以下班級數40班以上應至少設置營養師一人請問一下目前台灣有多少營養師在協助處理營養午餐的一個事宜佔所有學校多少百分比部長現在大概有一幅動作有600到800位\n\n11:26.008 --> 11:50.960\n2023年9月的新聞是630名營養師協助處理這個相關營養午餐事宜還有加那個偏鄉的他可能沒有加到偏鄉但是當時的數據是不到19%的學校有營養師在這一次的營養午餐法的訂定當中我們也希望能夠把這個部分能夠明確的去訂定然後去維護營養師學校學生家長\n\n11:52.040 --> 12:18.653\n相關的一些疑慮而現行大多數都是由教師去擔任營養午餐的祕書去年3月19日我與全教產就召開了這個記者會內容談的就是一般教師兼任午餐祕書這樣的事長久以來國小老師對於兼任午餐祕書都是在做功德午餐祕書是行政工作但是卻沒有工作佳績這個部分在專法還沒完成之前這些擔任午餐祕書老師是不是能給予行政佳績部長\n\n12:23.049 --> 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