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00:02:28,098\n目前正在積極的趕工當中主要的藏包商我們大概已經是好幾次跟他們做了一些比較實際上的一個盤點所以這些工作的進度目前還是以115年的年底完工為目標進度沒有改變那目前還有一個原因就是我們的修正計畫目前還在進行審議當中修正計畫通過以後會有一些調整那這些問題我們目前整體的趕工的一個目標都沒有改變還是希望如期在116年開始適應運\n\n8\n00:02:30,279 --> 00:02:57,232\n好這個部長跟楊董事長我想這個很多相關的新的工程有一些是假設還沒有完工但不影響到你主體航廈的啟動但有一些你沒有完工譬如基電新聞沒有完成你就其他全部蓋好你也不見得可以上路所以我覺得這樣的怎麼樣去協調各個工項工程能夠真的尤其重要的部分要加強趕工人力不夠的已經是幾年都是同樣的問題\n\n9\n00:02:58,453 --> 00:03:22,507\n那最後一個要問一下旅客這個PMS那我覺得在交通部也好工程會還有機場公司在去年的12月19號終於決定了發函解約我個人認為是正確的我個人認為是做一個正確的一個階段那現在整個重新招標那這個過程中那部長你知不知道目前解約解約有沒有解乾淨還是藕斷絲連\n\n10\n00:03:26,409 --> 00:03:45,355\n要打官司嗎我所知道廠商是對於這個違約金的部分還有一些那現在違約金怎麼樣好楊董事長你上來報告一下違約金談得怎麼樣是這件解約以後我們已經默默收入他的這個理業保證金另外就是到目前為止因為他的這個解約我們有一些損失大概有600多萬我們正式求償\n\n11\n00:03:46,776 --> 00:04:06,375\n這兩個動作都已經執行尤其是李月寶徵簽的部分銀行已經把這一筆錢還到我們放到我們淘氣公司的帳戶裡面來那當然廠商他有他的看法所以按照採購法的程序目前他們提出了一些異議以後會按照行政的這些規定去做處理不過機場公司的立場還是一樣的\n\n12\n00:04:07,176 --> 00:04:29,095\n好我相信未來不管在工程會的一個調解或者未來搞不好會走向法院當然要面對了那我想PMS這個整個重新的系統沒看到我們的公開閱覽要重新招標期間已經過了嘛公開閱覽結束了預計在5月份下個月會公開招標因為等標期金額的部分需要一些時間公開招標那\n\n13\n00:04:32,417 --> 00:04:54,133\n6月份絕標作業這是你們現在的一個規劃那這個的部分你們我想請教一下就是正在跟你們打官司的那些解約的一個廠商會不會戴個面罩這個你要不要再過來後面又是他你知道嗎又是他這個機率大概多大這個老朋友又碰面了\n\n14\n00:04:55,413 --> 00:05:16,340\n我個人的想法是不會有這種機會因為到目前為止我們從新公開招標的這個說明會的過程參加的這些有興趣的廠商其實是蠻多的那到目前為止我們知道已經有兩家廠商在備標當中不包括解約的這家廠商未來審查的時候我們會特別的注意\n\n15\n00:05:17,096 --> 00:05:38,618\n好我真的很期待不要那種惡性的輪迴了換個名字原班人馬又出現了那當然我這個擔心比較擔心當你這一次的招標把車輛跟系統把它分開評分當然就OK啦不要像之前混在一起到時候因為系統他根本跟不上來也沒辦法去做所以我看到你們這一次有去做一個精進\n\n16\n00:05:39,699 --> 00:06:05,661\n那不過你們在舊的標案舊的標案已經廢的那個部分你們整個完工的日期是NTP就開工通知之後加1048天我們看到你們的一個合約書也就是說開工日之後再加兩年大概10個月到11個月那你們現在如果你再看六月底\n\n17\n00:06:07,725 --> 00:06:15,449\n絕標大概簽約整個弄好回去7月8月能夠NTP就不簡單了那這個部分你們有沒有什麼趕工計畫\n\n18\n00:06:18,179 --> 00:06:42,124\n在上一個標案執行過程當中雖然我們這個案子一直delay但是我們知道這個技術一直在不斷的精進所以重新招標以後我們把儀控跟這個測量的製造的部分分別做評分主要的目的就是讓合作的廠商能夠看得出來他這兩個主要的組結構的部分都能夠有一些更好的做法所以你們新的合約預程還是1048嗎還是一樣的原來的一定時間\n\n19\n00:06:46,145 --> 00:07:13,036\n會到117年116年是一個失運轉的一個時間那我們有一個備案就是說如果他的移控設備還不是那麼順暢的話能夠讓他以用手控的方式來操作不影響他的一個好啦新的標案我是為你加油啦那希望你們整個評審委員真的把事情這個要做對不能delay啦最後啊這個署長我直接問部長都可以啦因為我覺得\n\n20\n00:07:14,574 --> 00:07:33,765\n看到你是不是你說的還是觀光署觀光署哪個官員說的在媒體報導訪問你們的時候因為就是去年的觀光逆差就出國的很多很多人然後來台灣旅遊的人很少所以逆差九百萬人次看起來觀光署非常高興因為展現我們經濟的實力這個署長是你說的\n\n21\n00:07:38,227 --> 00:08:04,827\n是這個誰說的啊因為這個公視嘛報告委員這樣子啊我跟委員報告其實是這樣台灣從民國78年到現在已經36年的時間都是觀光人數的逆差那為什麼從78年開始會開始很多的人出國因為台灣的經濟開始起飛那我們也有看過那個數據的那個曲線蠻有趣的當台灣的經濟發展很好的時候出國人數就會很多\n\n22\n00:08:05,467 --> 00:08:26,642\n那台灣的景氣狀況不好的時候人數會稍微下降一些所以這個部長這話是你說的是不是這個話就是我說的只有剛剛我講的這一段你說那個媒體訪問你的意思是什麼你知道他的意思是什麼就是要請希望怎麼樣去吸引的人來到我們台灣旅遊啦這個當然不要逆差這麼多\n\n23\n00:08:27,543 --> 00:08:49,363\n那我希望能夠回答未來回答具體能夠有一些比較具體的而不是說哇很開心那明年逆差更多的時候你再講哇你看我們這次逆差絕對不會很開心啦只要有逆差一定不會很開心像現在美國川普因為逆差所以很不開心嘛那我們也不開心那這個部分我們當然要努力我們來台灣玩的旅客我們盡量要爭取\n\n24\n00:08:49,963 --> 00:09:04,802\n部長署長這樣好了因為時間到了因為這一次這個川普總統的一個關稅大戰才剛開始但我覺得在第三季的時候各個產業會有很具象的一個明顯的影響\n\n25\n00:09:05,643 --> 00:09:24,429\n那我覺得觀光產業也是一樣是不是世界各國都不出國了那台灣的出國是不是也比較省呢那台灣怎麼樣去露營啊有一些比較簡便的簡單的一些輕旅遊這個的部分我是覺得你們在第三季的時候要去考量有可能這樣的一個變化好不好\n\n26\n00:09:25,131 --> 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這個部長跟楊董事長我想這個很多相關的新的工程有一些是假設還沒有完工但不影響到你主體航廈的啟動但有一些你沒有完工譬如基電新聞沒有完成你就其他全部蓋好你也不見得可以上路所以我覺得這樣的怎麼樣去協調各個工項 工程能夠真的尤其重要的部分要加強趕工人力不夠的已經是幾年都是同樣的問題\n178453\t202507\t那最後一個要問一下旅客這個PMS那我覺得在交通部也好工程會還有機場公司在去年的12月19號終於決定了發函解約我個人認為是正確的我個人認為是做一個正確的一個階段那現在整個重新招標那這個過程中那部長你知不知道目前解約解約有沒有解乾淨還是藕斷絲連\n206409\t225355\t要打官司嗎我所知道廠商是對於這個違約金的部分還有一些那現在違約金怎麼樣好 楊董事長你上來報告一下違約金談得怎麼樣是這件解約以後我們已經默默收入他的這個理業保證金另外就是到目前為止因為他的這個解約我們有一些損失大概有600多萬我們正式求償\n226776\t246375\t這兩個動作都已經執行尤其是李月寶徵簽的部分銀行已經把這一筆錢還到我們放到我們淘氣公司的帳戶裡面來那當然廠商他有他的看法所以按照採購法的程序目前他們提出了一些異議以後會按照行政的這些規定去做處理不過機場公司的立場還是一樣的\n247176\t269095\t好我相信未來不管在工程會的一個調解或者未來搞不好會走向法院當然要面對了那我想PMS這個整個重新的系統沒看到我們的公開閱覽要重新招標期間已經過了嘛公開閱覽結束了預計在5月份下個月會公開招標因為等標期金額的部分需要一些時間公開招標那\n272417\t294133\t6月份絕標作業這是你們現在的一個規劃那這個的部分你們我想請教一下就是正在跟你們打官司的那些解約的一個廠商會不會戴個面罩這個你要不要再過來後面又是他你知道嗎又是他這個機率大概多大這個老朋友又碰面了\n295413\t316340\t我個人的想法是不會有這種機會因為到目前為止我們從新公開招標的這個說明會的過程參加的這些有興趣的廠商其實是蠻多的那到目前為止我們知道已經有兩家廠商在備標當中不包括解約的這家廠商未來審查的時候我們會特別的注意\n317096\t338618\t好我真的很期待不要那種惡性的輪迴了換個名字原班人馬又出現了那當然我這個擔心比較擔心當你這一次的招標把車輛跟系統把它分開評分當然就OK啦不要像之前混在一起到時候因為系統他根本跟不上來也沒辦法去做所以我看到你們這一次有去做一個精進\n339699\t365661\t那不過你們在舊的標案舊的標案已經廢的那個部分你們整個完工的日期是NTP就開工通知之後加1048天我們看到你們的一個合約書也就是說開工日之後再加兩年大概10個月到11個月那你們現在如果你再看六月底\n367725\t375449\t絕標大概簽約整個弄好回去7月8月能夠NTP就不簡單了那這個部分你們有沒有什麼趕工計畫\n378179\t402124\t在上一個標案執行過程當中雖然我們這個案子一直delay但是我們知道這個技術一直在不斷的精進所以重新招標以後我們把儀控跟這個測量的製造的部分分別做評分主要的目的就是讓合作的廠商能夠看得出來他這兩個主要的組結構的部分都能夠有一些更好的做法所以你們新的合約預程還是1048嗎還是一樣的原來的一定時間\n406145\t433036\t會到117年116年是一個失運轉的一個時間那我們有一個備案就是說如果他的移控設備還不是那麼順暢的話能夠讓他以用手控的方式來操作不影響他的一個好啦新的標案我是為你加油啦那希望你們整個評審委員真的把事情這個要做對不能delay啦最後啊這個署長我直接問部長都可以啦因為我覺得\n434574\t453765\t看到你是不是你說的還是觀光署觀光署哪個官員說的在媒體報導訪問你們的時候因為就是去年的觀光逆差就出國的很多很多人然後來台灣旅遊的人很少所以逆差九百萬人次看起來觀光署非常高興因為展現我們經濟的實力這個署長是你說的\n458227\t484827\t是這個誰說的啊因為這個公視嘛報告委員這樣子啊我跟委員報告其實是這樣台灣從民國78年到現在已經36年的時間都是觀光人數的逆差那為什麼從78年開始會開始很多的人出國因為台灣的經濟開始起飛那我們也有看過那個數據的那個曲線蠻有趣的當台灣的經濟發展很好的時候出國人數就會很多\n485467\t506642\t那台灣的景氣狀況不好的時候人數會稍微下降一些所以這個部長這話是你說的是不是這個話就是我說的只有剛剛我講的這一段你說那個媒體訪問你的意思是什麼你知道他的意思是什麼就是要請希望怎麼樣去吸引的人來到我們台灣旅遊啦這個當然不要逆差這麼多\n507543\t529363\t那我希望能夠回答 未來回答具體 能夠有一些比較具體的而不是說 哇 很開心那明年逆差更多的時候你再講 哇 你看我們這次逆差絕對不會很開心啦只要有逆差一定不會很開心像現在美國川普因為逆差所以很不開心嘛那我們也不開心那這個部分我們當然要努力我們來台灣玩的旅客我們盡量要爭取\n529963\t544802\t部長署長這樣好了因為時間到了因為這一次這個川普總統的一個關稅大戰才剛開始但我覺得在第三季的時候各個產業會有很具象的一個明顯的影響\n545643\t564429\t那我覺得觀光產業也是一樣是不是世界各國都不出國了那台灣的出國是不是也比較省呢那台灣怎麼樣去露營啊有一些比較簡便的簡單的一些輕旅遊這個的部分我是覺得你們在第三季的時候要去考量有可能這樣的一個變化好不好\n565131\t586409\t好謝謝委員的提醒我們當然對針對輕旅行的部分我們會來做準備跟委員報告一下除了加強國旅之外可能這句話可能要再補充一下就是我們機票的部分是算算對國內的產值還是有幫助可能他那個可能有點不完全表達我想補充一下好謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席有請陳部長 交通部陳部長陳部長還有機場公司的楊董事長是吧嗯 楊董事長 叫回來委員號好這個在問觀光發展之前先請教一下因為我們看了一下\n因為這個在從過年很多出國或者返國的很多好朋友都擠在機場這個進進出出 delay非常久所以我們對於T3的一個進度我相信這個交通部跟行政院工程會\n我相信行政院也注意到那可是我們在看這個已經發包的這個跟即將的整個T3的一個整個工程有13項13項我們跟你們要最新的一個進度我們發現大概中間目前有6項進度\n是有落差的那各位看到已經發包的那現在旅客空調系統比預計的進度慢了10.5%然後主體航廈基電工程慢了接近4%再來就是土電工程也慢了7.5%等等那我想直接先問一下董事長你們說明一下因為這個已經發包的這delay的主要的原因能不能把它趕得上預定的時程\n請董事長\n好 謝謝委員的關心13件的工程有一件完成有一件正在重新招標所以剩下大概11件工程那目前落後的就是表列裡面所看到的那主要會落後的原因裡面我們現在比較擔心的是主體行下的土建工程跟機電工程部分因為那是T3的一個主要的一個設施所在目前落後主要原因有兩個第一個是缺工的問題依然還存在\n目前正在積極的趕工當中主要的藏包商我們大概已經是好幾次跟他們做了一些比較實際上的一個盤點所以這些工作的進度目前還是以115年的年底完工為目標進度沒有改變那目前還有一個原因就是我們的修正計畫目前還在進行審議當中修正計畫通過以後會有一些調整那這些問題我們目前整體的趕工的一個目標都沒有改變還是希望如期在116年開始適應運\n好 這個部長跟楊董事長我想這個很多相關的新的工程有一些是假設還沒有完工但不影響到你主體航廈的啟動但有一些你沒有完工譬如基電新聞沒有完成你就其他全部蓋好你也不見得可以上路所以我覺得這樣的怎麼樣去協調各個工項 工程能夠真的尤其重要的部分要加強趕工人力不夠的已經是幾年都是同樣的問題\n那最後一個要問一下旅客這個PMS那我覺得在交通部也好工程會還有機場公司在去年的12月19號終於決定了發函解約我個人認為是正確的我個人認為是做一個正確的一個階段那現在整個重新招標那這個過程中那部長你知不知道目前解約解約有沒有解乾淨還是藕斷絲連\n要打官司嗎我所知道廠商是對於這個違約金的部分還有一些那現在違約金怎麼樣好 楊董事長你上來報告一下違約金談得怎麼樣是這件解約以後我們已經默默收入他的這個理業保證金另外就是到目前為止因為他的這個解約我們有一些損失大概有600多萬我們正式求償\n這兩個動作都已經執行尤其是李月寶徵簽的部分銀行已經把這一筆錢還到我們放到我們淘氣公司的帳戶裡面來那當然廠商他有他的看法所以按照採購法的程序目前他們提出了一些異議以後會按照行政的這些規定去做處理不過機場公司的立場還是一樣的\n好我相信未來不管在工程會的一個調解或者未來搞不好會走向法院當然要面對了那我想PMS這個整個重新的系統沒看到我們的公開閱覽要重新招標期間已經過了嘛公開閱覽結束了預計在5月份下個月會公開招標因為等標期金額的部分需要一些時間公開招標那\n6月份絕標作業這是你們現在的一個規劃那這個的部分你們我想請教一下就是正在跟你們打官司的那些解約的一個廠商會不會戴個面罩這個你要不要再過來後面又是他你知道嗎又是他這個機率大概多大這個老朋友又碰面了\n我個人的想法是不會有這種機會因為到目前為止我們從新公開招標的這個說明會的過程參加的這些有興趣的廠商其實是蠻多的那到目前為止我們知道已經有兩家廠商在備標當中不包括解約的這家廠商未來審查的時候我們會特別的注意\n好我真的很期待不要那種惡性的輪迴了換個名字原班人馬又出現了那當然我這個擔心比較擔心當你這一次的招標把車輛跟系統把它分開評分當然就OK啦不要像之前混在一起到時候因為系統他根本跟不上來也沒辦法去做所以我看到你們這一次有去做一個精進\n那不過你們在舊的標案舊的標案已經廢的那個部分你們整個完工的日期是NTP就開工通知之後加1048天我們看到你們的一個合約書也就是說開工日之後再加兩年大概10個月到11個月那你們現在如果你再看六月底\n絕標大概簽約整個弄好回去7月8月能夠NTP就不簡單了那這個部分你們有沒有什麼趕工計畫\n在上一個標案執行過程當中雖然我們這個案子一直delay但是我們知道這個技術一直在不斷的精進所以重新招標以後我們把儀控跟這個測量的製造的部分分別做評分主要的目的就是讓合作的廠商能夠看得出來他這兩個主要的組結構的部分都能夠有一些更好的做法所以你們新的合約預程還是1048嗎還是一樣的原來的一定時間\n會到117年116年是一個失運轉的一個時間那我們有一個備案就是說如果他的移控設備還不是那麼順暢的話能夠讓他以用手控的方式來操作不影響他的一個好啦新的標案我是為你加油啦那希望你們整個評審委員真的把事情這個要做對不能delay啦最後啊這個署長我直接問部長都可以啦因為我覺得\n看到你是不是你說的還是觀光署觀光署哪個官員說的在媒體報導訪問你們的時候因為就是去年的觀光逆差就出國的很多很多人然後來台灣旅遊的人很少所以逆差九百萬人次看起來觀光署非常高興因為展現我們經濟的實力這個署長是你說的\n是這個誰說的啊因為這個公視嘛報告委員這樣子啊我跟委員報告其實是這樣台灣從民國78年到現在已經36年的時間都是觀光人數的逆差那為什麼從78年開始會開始很多的人出國因為台灣的經濟開始起飛那我們也有看過那個數據的那個曲線蠻有趣的當台灣的經濟發展很好的時候出國人數就會很多\n那台灣的景氣狀況不好的時候人數會稍微下降一些所以這個部長這話是你說的是不是這個話就是我說的只有剛剛我講的這一段你說那個媒體訪問你的意思是什麼你知道他的意思是什麼就是要請希望怎麼樣去吸引的人來到我們台灣旅遊啦這個當然不要逆差這麼多\n那我希望能夠回答 未來回答具體 能夠有一些比較具體的而不是說 哇 很開心那明年逆差更多的時候你再講 哇 你看我們這次逆差絕對不會很開心啦只要有逆差一定不會很開心像現在美國川普因為逆差所以很不開心嘛那我們也不開心那這個部分我們當然要努力我們來台灣玩的旅客我們盡量要爭取\n部長署長這樣好了因為時間到了因為這一次這個川普總統的一個關稅大戰才剛開始但我覺得在第三季的時候各個產業會有很具象的一個明顯的影響\n那我覺得觀光產業也是一樣是不是世界各國都不出國了那台灣的出國是不是也比較省呢那台灣怎麼樣去露營啊有一些比較簡便的簡單的一些輕旅遊這個的部分我是覺得你們在第三季的時候要去考量有可能這樣的一個變化好不好\n好謝謝委員的提醒我們當然對針對輕旅行的部分我們會來做準備跟委員報告一下除了加強國旅之外可能這句話可能要再補充一下就是我們機票的部分是算算對國內的產值還是有幫助可能他那個可能有點不完全表達我想補充一下好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.093 --> 00:24.425\n好謝謝主席有請陳部長交通部陳部長陳部長還有機場公司的楊董事長是吧嗯楊董事長叫回來委員號好這個在問觀光發展之前先請教一下因為我們看了一下\n\n00:25.646 --> 00:39.926\n因為這個在從過年很多出國或者返國的很多好朋友都擠在機場這個進進出出delay非常久所以我們對於T3的一個進度我相信這個交通部跟行政院工程會\n\n00:41.067 --> 00:55.132\n我相信行政院也注意到那可是我們在看這個已經發包的這個跟即將的整個T3的一個整個工程有13項13項我們跟你們要最新的一個進度我們發現大概中間目前有6項進度\n\n00:57.020 --> 01:25.978\n是有落差的那各位看到已經發包的那現在旅客空調系統比預計的進度慢了10.5%然後主體航廈基電工程慢了接近4%再來就是土電工程也慢了7.5%等等那我想直接先問一下董事長你們說明一下因為這個已經發包的這delay的主要的原因能不能把它趕得上預定的時程\n\n01:26.756 --> 01:26.897\n請董事長\n\n01:33.803 --> 02:00.180\n好謝謝委員的關心13件的工程有一件完成有一件正在重新招標所以剩下大概11件工程那目前落後的就是表列裡面所看到的那主要會落後的原因裡面我們現在比較擔心的是主體行下的土建工程跟機電工程部分因為那是T3的一個主要的一個設施所在目前落後主要原因有兩個第一個是缺工的問題依然還存在\n\n02:00.860 --> 02:28.098\n目前正在積極的趕工當中主要的藏包商我們大概已經是好幾次跟他們做了一些比較實際上的一個盤點所以這些工作的進度目前還是以115年的年底完工為目標進度沒有改變那目前還有一個原因就是我們的修正計畫目前還在進行審議當中修正計畫通過以後會有一些調整那這些問題我們目前整體的趕工的一個目標都沒有改變還是希望如期在116年開始適應運\n\n02:30.279 --> 02:57.232\n好這個部長跟楊董事長我想這個很多相關的新的工程有一些是假設還沒有完工但不影響到你主體航廈的啟動但有一些你沒有完工譬如基電新聞沒有完成你就其他全部蓋好你也不見得可以上路所以我覺得這樣的怎麼樣去協調各個工項工程能夠真的尤其重要的部分要加強趕工人力不夠的已經是幾年都是同樣的問題\n\n02:58.453 --> 03:22.507\n那最後一個要問一下旅客這個PMS那我覺得在交通部也好工程會還有機場公司在去年的12月19號終於決定了發函解約我個人認為是正確的我個人認為是做一個正確的一個階段那現在整個重新招標那這個過程中那部長你知不知道目前解約解約有沒有解乾淨還是藕斷絲連\n\n03:26.409 --> 03:45.355\n要打官司嗎我所知道廠商是對於這個違約金的部分還有一些那現在違約金怎麼樣好楊董事長你上來報告一下違約金談得怎麼樣是這件解約以後我們已經默默收入他的這個理業保證金另外就是到目前為止因為他的這個解約我們有一些損失大概有600多萬我們正式求償\n\n03:46.776 --> 04:06.375\n這兩個動作都已經執行尤其是李月寶徵簽的部分銀行已經把這一筆錢還到我們放到我們淘氣公司的帳戶裡面來那當然廠商他有他的看法所以按照採購法的程序目前他們提出了一些異議以後會按照行政的這些規定去做處理不過機場公司的立場還是一樣的\n\n04:07.176 --> 04:29.095\n好我相信未來不管在工程會的一個調解或者未來搞不好會走向法院當然要面對了那我想PMS這個整個重新的系統沒看到我們的公開閱覽要重新招標期間已經過了嘛公開閱覽結束了預計在5月份下個月會公開招標因為等標期金額的部分需要一些時間公開招標那\n\n04:32.417 --> 04:54.133\n6月份絕標作業這是你們現在的一個規劃那這個的部分你們我想請教一下就是正在跟你們打官司的那些解約的一個廠商會不會戴個面罩這個你要不要再過來後面又是他你知道嗎又是他這個機率大概多大這個老朋友又碰面了\n\n04:55.413 --> 05:16.340\n我個人的想法是不會有這種機會因為到目前為止我們從新公開招標的這個說明會的過程參加的這些有興趣的廠商其實是蠻多的那到目前為止我們知道已經有兩家廠商在備標當中不包括解約的這家廠商未來審查的時候我們會特別的注意\n\n05:17.096 --> 05:38.618\n好我真的很期待不要那種惡性的輪迴了換個名字原班人馬又出現了那當然我這個擔心比較擔心當你這一次的招標把車輛跟系統把它分開評分當然就OK啦不要像之前混在一起到時候因為系統他根本跟不上來也沒辦法去做所以我看到你們這一次有去做一個精進\n\n05:39.699 --> 06:05.661\n那不過你們在舊的標案舊的標案已經廢的那個部分你們整個完工的日期是NTP就開工通知之後加1048天我們看到你們的一個合約書也就是說開工日之後再加兩年大概10個月到11個月那你們現在如果你再看六月底\n\n06:07.725 --> 06:15.449\n絕標大概簽約整個弄好回去7月8月能夠NTP就不簡單了那這個部分你們有沒有什麼趕工計畫\n\n06:18.179 --> 06:42.124\n在上一個標案執行過程當中雖然我們這個案子一直delay但是我們知道這個技術一直在不斷的精進所以重新招標以後我們把儀控跟這個測量的製造的部分分別做評分主要的目的就是讓合作的廠商能夠看得出來他這兩個主要的組結構的部分都能夠有一些更好的做法所以你們新的合約預程還是1048嗎還是一樣的原來的一定時間\n\n06:46.145 --> 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