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00:00:08,141\n謝謝主席那麻煩我們的陳部長我們周署長陳部長署長委員好兩位好我們今年的觀光來台的目標跟去年一樣定在1000萬那去年沒有達標今年第一季第一月的時候來台的人數有成長確實有成長但是碰上了這個金融問題可能又會不太樂觀\n\n2\n00:00:33,322 --> 00:00:52,537\n那我想確認一下剛剛延續魯明哲委員的問題啦確實長期以來台灣的觀光逆差的數字都是非常的大今年1月來台灣的旅客確實是增加的但是增幅卻比我們出國旅遊的比例來的低是不是這樣\n\n3\n00:00:54,689 --> 00:01:15,837\n大概比例差多少我覺得我們一月可能來台成長多少那這個出國的比例成長多少因為出國的部分移民署還沒有提供這個部分第一季他們還沒有提供那一月份對我們一月份的部分大概我們出國的比例跟這個我們叫英鎊跟澳鎊的部分大概就有10%\n\n4\n00:01:17,558 --> 00:01:40,992\n差不多一樣是成長3%嗎還是多少就是出國跟來我們旅遊的成長大概差幾%成長率啦我們這個數字我們再確認一下你請幕僚先整理一下因為醫護組只公布1月份的好不好你最後再回答我那長期以來我們可能都是著重於這個數字大家這個數字很直觀嘛但是長期以來\n\n5\n00:01:42,947 --> 00:02:04,737\n大家比較關注的最關注的會講到觀光的問題最重要的就是經濟問題就是順差逆差的一個問題那去年我們的這個觀光逆差可能是一個數字但今年我們是我們是預判這個觀光逆差會持續增加還是會變小我們期望是變小那你們有沒有目標\n\n6\n00:02:06,606 --> 00:02:31,133\n報告委員這個數字齁人數的部分其實我覺得去定義意義不大所以你會發現說從過去到現在大家都希望對人數我也不是很在意啦很大的人數但是我一定不會做這樣的事最重要的是經濟嘛對不對對經濟第一一方面是其他的旅客來到各國的旅客來到台灣他的消費的額度我們設法讓他增加第二是希望把旅遊的品質做好讓他一來之後會再來\n\n7\n00:02:31,953 --> 00:02:58,668\n對一來之後會再來這才是關鍵所以說我們去年的這個經濟這個觀光有一個逆差的數字嘛那部長是希望說這個逆差的數字不要再增加了但是就一月來看這個還是不樂觀雖然說來台的增加但是出去有更多站起來不樂觀那您能不能一月份二月份這個齁是因為遇到台灣剛好是過年過年出國的旅客會特別多組長剛剛這要出來是不是對就是一月份的統計確實是10%\n\n8\n00:03:01,789 --> 00:03:20,221\n出去增加10%來台灣大概只有增加3%嘛所以說這個逆差看起來還是持續的會增加我們也是不能說只看好的啦那我想部長可不可以訂定一個目標就是我們今年的觀光的逆差\n\n9\n00:03:21,081 --> 00:03:48,482\n你能不能設定一個目標就是至少數字跟去年持平兩個目標盡量要達成第一個今年的國外來台的旅遊的客人一定要比去年的多要成長這是第一個要做的那第二個要做的我們希望逆差不要再擴大逆差不要再擴大這個部分我們也要努力好就這兩點那當然就是現在還年初那年底的時候我再一併來檢視這個數字好不好那另外\n\n10\n00:03:48,962 --> 00:03:58,082\n在去年的時候應該部長也上任啦如果大概提出一下我們觀光署統計的一個數字就是我們有一個出入境的一個人口的金字塔的一個這個\n\n11\n00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:27,680\n這個圖像嘛就是說各個年齡層性別年齡層我們出國哪個年齡層多少來台灣哪個年齡層多少那我們有發現一個現象就是我們出去的旅遊的民眾的這個年紀大概30歲以上到50歲應該是這個經濟能力正好的情況的民眾出去的比例是最高的這裡合情合理經濟好剛剛部長講我們經濟好出國人就多了嘛\n\n12\n00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:44,213\n那但是我們來台灣的旅客卻沒有也呈現一樣的一個金字塔的一個結構反而是20到29歲來台灣的旅客比例相對起來是比較高的那相對起來20到29歲就是可能大家比較常說的可能\n\n13\n00:04:46,354 --> 00:05:09,210\n壯遊嘛用比較好聽的名詞就是可能不會花那麼多的錢來享受旅遊品質那當然就是對我們剛剛講的經濟的順差逆差可能又會進一步的去擴大那針對這一個部分我去年應該有請教過了那我們有沒有針對這一個部分來做一些檢討希望去做一些改善希望怎麼樣來吸引更多有經濟能力的觀光旅客\n\n14\n00:05:10,391 --> 00:05:24,699\n原本我們就歡迎沒有說不歡迎但是怎麼樣吸引更多有經濟能力的旅客來台灣我們有沒有做哪些檢討或者是措施一些行銷是報告委員這個部分其實觀光的內涵我們的內涵怎麼樣呢它是一個低高品質\n\n15\n00:05:25,379 --> 00:05:50,844\n那第二我們希望他多消費所以希望消費的額度可以稍微高一點這個部分我們要來努力那另外就是說針對整體的市場的擴大我們剛剛有提到就是說我們現在增加了很多國家的服務那個據點觀光服務據點為什麼我們要針對一些比較相對陌生的市場我們要去開拓那個地方的一些客源新的客源把市場做大我們的產值才會整體起來對啊那我剛剛講那個年齡結構就代表說我們的台灣的觀光的\n\n16\n00:05:55,751 --> 00:06:03,787\n這個行銷好像就特別只能夠吸引到某個年齡層20到29歲這個年齡層其他年齡層的部分我們有沒有怎樣能夠做加強\n\n17\n00:06:05,799 --> 00:06:29,470\n對我補充一下譬如說日本的市場裡面就是女性也是20歲到30歲他們希望看花火節也就是主題式的這種旅遊很強烈所以我們也不同的市場不同年齡層做區隔我們也會要針對不同的年齡層做廣泛的那勒林族的部分就是比較\n\n18\n00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:55,387\n我們叫漫遊所以我們現在就是按照不同的市場不同的主題還有一些是專門希望能夠部落旅遊的那這個部分我們就是用市場區隔的方式來做處理那我們的成效的部分我們現在還是多多益善所以目前來講當然啦這個組長你可能有一些目標但這些可能都是比較宣示性的一些\n\n19\n00:06:56,608 --> 00:07:17,623\n想法怎麼樣落地落實能夠吸引到國外的來我們相信今年還有很長年以來我們都有很多努力的一個目標希望說署長我們剛剛講的部分就是針對來臺旅客的一個經濟能力的部分我們也希望就誠如部長的他的想法一樣我們希望更多經濟能力好的民眾來臺灣有品質高消費\n\n20\n00:07:20,185 --> 00:07:47,182\n而不是只關注在這個人數我們希望說觀光署在今年相關的行銷後面也都能夠多加一把勁啦委員您這樣的提醒其實相當好所以未來我也希望觀光署能夠針對消費能力強的那個年齡層我們特別去設計一些遊程或者是特別去設計一些商品來吸引他們來台灣是啊那過去我們現在目前的這個來台觀光消費你們的行銷的重點區域大概在哪邊以國際上來講\n\n21\n00:07:50,802 --> 00:08:09,248\n我們大概就是三個部分第一個部分就是日韓日韓第二個部分就是重點的那個我們叫東南亞幹嘛不好意思講對所以我們叫南向新南向然後第三個重點就是歐美好那我想這個可能在這個\n\n22\n00:08:11,078 --> 00:08:27,631\n三個面向啦其實因為因應川普的關稅衝擊嘛那勢必會影響到國際的一些旅客這個不能怪任何人不能怪到我們自己的身上但是我們應該要去尋找如果說東南亞在這一波的關稅貿易衝擊是很大的時候\n\n23\n00:08:28,646 --> 00:08:57,807\n那我經濟受到衝擊出國的人士或者是經濟能力一定就會影響嘛我也希望說我們觀光署能夠針對這一波關稅貿易戰對每個國家不同的一個衝擊衝擊越小的他出國的這個意願一定是會維持原本的一個比例嘛那就希望說把關稅戰這個部分也納進去然後去調整我們後續這個觀光行銷的一個客群的目標好不好謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3437\t8141\t謝謝主席 那麻煩我們的陳部長我們周署長陳部長 署長委員好 兩位好我們今年的觀光來台的目標跟去年一樣 定在1000萬那去年沒有達標今年第一季 第一月的時候來台的人數有成長確實有成長但是碰上了這個金融問題可能又會不太樂觀\n33322\t52537\t那我想確認一下剛剛延續魯明哲委員的問題啦確實長期以來台灣的觀光逆差的數字都是非常的大今年1月來台灣的旅客確實是增加的但是增幅卻比我們出國旅遊的比例來的低是不是這樣\n54689\t75837\t大概比例差多少 我覺得我們一月可能來台成長多少那這個出國的比例成長多少因為出國的部分移民署還沒有提供這個部分第一季他們還沒有提供那一月份對 我們一月份的部分大概我們出國的比例跟這個我們叫英鎊跟澳鎊的部分大概就有10%\n77558\t100992\t差不多一樣是成長3%嗎還是多少就是出國跟來我們旅遊的成長大概差幾%成長率啦我們這個數字我們再確認一下你請幕僚先整理一下因為醫護組只公布1月份的好不好你最後再回答我那長期以來我們可能都是著重於這個數字大家這個數字很直觀嘛但是長期以來\n102947\t124737\t大家比較關注的最關注的會講到觀光的問題最重要的就是經濟問題就是順差逆差的一個問題那去年我們的這個觀光逆差可能是一個數字但今年我們是我們是預判這個觀光逆差會持續增加還是會變小我們期望是變小那你們有沒有目標\n126606\t151133\t報告委員這個數字齁人數的部分其實我覺得去定義意義不大所以你會發現說從過去到現在大家都希望對人數我也不是很在意啦很大的人數但是我一定不會做這樣的事最重要的是經濟嘛對不對對經濟第一一方面是其他的旅客來到各國的旅客來到台灣他的消費的額度我們設法讓他增加第二是希望把旅遊的品質做好讓他一來之後會再來\n151953\t178668\t對一來之後會再來這才是關鍵所以說我們去年的這個經濟這個觀光有一個逆差的數字嘛那部長是希望說這個逆差的數字不要再增加了但是就一月來看這個還是不樂觀雖然說來台的增加但是出去有更多站起來不樂觀那您能不能一月份二月份這個齁是因為遇到台灣剛好是過年過年出國的旅客會特別多組長剛剛這要出來是不是對就是一月份的統計確實是10%\n181789\t200221\t出去增加10%來台灣大概只有增加3%嘛所以說這個逆差看起來還是持續的會增加我們也是不能說只看好的啦那我想部長可不可以訂定一個目標就是我們今年的觀光的逆差\n201081\t228482\t你能不能設定一個目標就是至少數字跟去年持平兩個目標盡量要達成第一個今年的國外來台的旅遊的客人一定要比去年的多要成長這是第一個要做的那第二個要做的我們希望逆差不要再擴大逆差不要再擴大這個部分我們也要努力好就這兩點那當然就是現在還年初那年底的時候我再一併來檢視這個數字好不好那另外\n228962\t238082\t在去年的時候應該部長也上任啦如果大概提出一下我們觀光署統計的一個數字就是我們有一個出入境的一個人口的金字塔的一個這個\n240759\t267680\t這個圖像嘛就是說各個年齡層性別年齡層我們出國哪個年齡層多少來台灣哪個年齡層多少那我們有發現一個現象就是我們出去的旅遊的民眾的這個年紀大概30歲以上到50歲應該是這個經濟能力正好的情況的民眾出去的比例是最高的這裡合情合理經濟好剛剛部長講我們經濟好出國人就多了嘛\n268140\t284213\t那但是我們來台灣的旅客卻沒有也呈現一樣的一個金字塔的一個結構反而是20到29歲來台灣的旅客比例相對起來是比較高的那相對起來20到29歲就是可能大家比較常說的可能\n286354\t309210\t壯遊嘛用比較好聽的名詞就是可能不會花那麼多的錢來享受旅遊品質那當然就是對我們剛剛講的經濟的順差逆差可能又會進一步的去擴大那針對這一個部分我去年應該有請教過了那我們有沒有針對這一個部分來做一些檢討希望去做一些改善希望怎麼樣來吸引更多有經濟能力的觀光旅客\n310391\t324699\t原本我們就歡迎 沒有說不歡迎但是怎麼樣吸引更多有經濟能力的旅客來台灣我們有沒有做哪些檢討或者是措施一些行銷是 報告委員這個部分其實觀光的內涵我們的內涵怎麼樣呢它是一個低高品質\n325379\t350844\t那第二我們希望他多消費所以希望消費的額度可以稍微高一點這個部分我們要來努力那另外就是說針對整體的市場的擴大我們剛剛有提到就是說我們現在增加了很多國家的服務那個據點觀光服務據點為什麼我們要針對一些比較相對陌生的市場我們要去開拓那個地方的一些客源新的客源把市場做大我們的產值才會整體起來對啊那我剛剛講那個年齡結構就代表說我們的台灣的觀光的\n355751\t363787\t這個行銷好像就特別只能夠吸引到某個年齡層20到29歲這個年齡層其他年齡層的部分我們有沒有怎樣能夠做加強\n365799\t389470\t對我補充一下譬如說日本的市場裡面就是女性也是20歲到30歲他們希望看花火節也就是主題式的這種旅遊很強烈所以我們也不同的市場不同年齡層做區隔我們也會要針對不同的年齡層做廣泛的那勒林族的部分就是比較\n390350\t415387\t我們叫漫遊所以我們現在就是按照不同的市場不同的主題還有一些是專門希望能夠部落旅遊的那這個部分我們就是用市場區隔的方式來做處理那我們的成效的部分我們現在還是多多益善所以目前來講當然啦 這個組長你可能有一些目標但這些可能都是比較宣示性的一些\n416608\t437623\t想法怎麼樣落地落實能夠吸引到國外的來我們相信今年還有很長年以來我們都有很多努力的一個目標希望說署長我們剛剛講的部分就是針對來臺旅客的一個經濟能力的部分我們也希望就誠如部長的他的想法一樣我們希望更多經濟能力好的民眾來臺灣有品質高消費\n440185\t467182\t而不是只關注在這個人數我們希望說觀光署在今年相關的行銷後面也都能夠多加一把勁啦委員您這樣的提醒其實相當好所以未來我也希望觀光署能夠針對消費能力強的那個年齡層我們特別去設計一些遊程或者是特別去設計一些商品來吸引他們來台灣是啊 那過去我們現在目前的這個來台觀光消費你們的行銷的重點區域大概在哪邊以國際上來講\n470802\t489248\t我們大概就是三個部分第一個部分就是日韓日韓第二個部分就是重點的那個我們叫東南亞幹嘛不好意思講對 所以我們叫南向 新南向然後第三個重點就是歐美好 那我想這個可能在這個\n491078\t507631\t三個面向啦其實因為因應川普的關稅衝擊嘛那勢必會影響到國際的一些旅客這個不能怪任何人不能怪到我們自己的身上但是我們應該要去尋找如果說東南亞在這一波的關稅貿易衝擊是很大的時候\n508646\t537807\t那我經濟受到衝擊出國的人士或者是經濟能力一定就會影響嘛我也希望說我們觀光署能夠針對這一波關稅貿易戰對每個國家不同的一個衝擊衝擊越小的他出國的這個意願一定是會維持原本的一個比例嘛那就希望說把關稅戰這個部分也納進去然後去調整我們後續這個觀光行銷的一個客群的目標好不好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 那麻煩我們的陳部長我們周署長陳部長 署長委員好 兩位好我們今年的觀光來台的目標跟去年一樣 定在1000萬那去年沒有達標今年第一季 第一月的時候來台的人數有成長確實有成長但是碰上了這個金融問題可能又會不太樂觀\n那我想確認一下剛剛延續魯明哲委員的問題啦確實長期以來台灣的觀光逆差的數字都是非常的大今年1月來台灣的旅客確實是增加的但是增幅卻比我們出國旅遊的比例來的低是不是這樣\n大概比例差多少 我覺得我們一月可能來台成長多少那這個出國的比例成長多少因為出國的部分移民署還沒有提供這個部分第一季他們還沒有提供那一月份對 我們一月份的部分大概我們出國的比例跟這個我們叫英鎊跟澳鎊的部分大概就有10%\n差不多一樣是成長3%嗎還是多少就是出國跟來我們旅遊的成長大概差幾%成長率啦我們這個數字我們再確認一下你請幕僚先整理一下因為醫護組只公布1月份的好不好你最後再回答我那長期以來我們可能都是著重於這個數字大家這個數字很直觀嘛但是長期以來\n大家比較關注的最關注的會講到觀光的問題最重要的就是經濟問題就是順差逆差的一個問題那去年我們的這個觀光逆差可能是一個數字但今年我們是我們是預判這個觀光逆差會持續增加還是會變小我們期望是變小那你們有沒有目標\n報告委員這個數字齁人數的部分其實我覺得去定義意義不大所以你會發現說從過去到現在大家都希望對人數我也不是很在意啦很大的人數但是我一定不會做這樣的事最重要的是經濟嘛對不對對經濟第一一方面是其他的旅客來到各國的旅客來到台灣他的消費的額度我們設法讓他增加第二是希望把旅遊的品質做好讓他一來之後會再來\n對一來之後會再來這才是關鍵所以說我們去年的這個經濟這個觀光有一個逆差的數字嘛那部長是希望說這個逆差的數字不要再增加了但是就一月來看這個還是不樂觀雖然說來台的增加但是出去有更多站起來不樂觀那您能不能一月份二月份這個齁是因為遇到台灣剛好是過年過年出國的旅客會特別多組長剛剛這要出來是不是對就是一月份的統計確實是10%\n出去增加10%來台灣大概只有增加3%嘛所以說這個逆差看起來還是持續的會增加我們也是不能說只看好的啦那我想部長可不可以訂定一個目標就是我們今年的觀光的逆差\n你能不能設定一個目標就是至少數字跟去年持平兩個目標盡量要達成第一個今年的國外來台的旅遊的客人一定要比去年的多要成長這是第一個要做的那第二個要做的我們希望逆差不要再擴大逆差不要再擴大這個部分我們也要努力好就這兩點那當然就是現在還年初那年底的時候我再一併來檢視這個數字好不好那另外\n在去年的時候應該部長也上任啦如果大概提出一下我們觀光署統計的一個數字就是我們有一個出入境的一個人口的金字塔的一個這個\n這個圖像嘛就是說各個年齡層性別年齡層我們出國哪個年齡層多少來台灣哪個年齡層多少那我們有發現一個現象就是我們出去的旅遊的民眾的這個年紀大概30歲以上到50歲應該是這個經濟能力正好的情況的民眾出去的比例是最高的這裡合情合理經濟好剛剛部長講我們經濟好出國人就多了嘛\n那但是我們來台灣的旅客卻沒有也呈現一樣的一個金字塔的一個結構反而是20到29歲來台灣的旅客比例相對起來是比較高的那相對起來20到29歲就是可能大家比較常說的可能\n壯遊嘛用比較好聽的名詞就是可能不會花那麼多的錢來享受旅遊品質那當然就是對我們剛剛講的經濟的順差逆差可能又會進一步的去擴大那針對這一個部分我去年應該有請教過了那我們有沒有針對這一個部分來做一些檢討希望去做一些改善希望怎麼樣來吸引更多有經濟能力的觀光旅客\n原本我們就歡迎 沒有說不歡迎但是怎麼樣吸引更多有經濟能力的旅客來台灣我們有沒有做哪些檢討或者是措施一些行銷是 報告委員這個部分其實觀光的內涵我們的內涵怎麼樣呢它是一個低高品質\n那第二我們希望他多消費所以希望消費的額度可以稍微高一點這個部分我們要來努力那另外就是說針對整體的市場的擴大我們剛剛有提到就是說我們現在增加了很多國家的服務那個據點觀光服務據點為什麼我們要針對一些比較相對陌生的市場我們要去開拓那個地方的一些客源新的客源把市場做大我們的產值才會整體起來對啊那我剛剛講那個年齡結構就代表說我們的台灣的觀光的\n這個行銷好像就特別只能夠吸引到某個年齡層20到29歲這個年齡層其他年齡層的部分我們有沒有怎樣能夠做加強\n對我補充一下譬如說日本的市場裡面就是女性也是20歲到30歲他們希望看花火節也就是主題式的這種旅遊很強烈所以我們也不同的市場不同年齡層做區隔我們也會要針對不同的年齡層做廣泛的那勒林族的部分就是比較\n我們叫漫遊所以我們現在就是按照不同的市場不同的主題還有一些是專門希望能夠部落旅遊的那這個部分我們就是用市場區隔的方式來做處理那我們的成效的部分我們現在還是多多益善所以目前來講當然啦 這個組長你可能有一些目標但這些可能都是比較宣示性的一些\n想法怎麼樣落地落實能夠吸引到國外的來我們相信今年還有很長年以來我們都有很多努力的一個目標希望說署長我們剛剛講的部分就是針對來臺旅客的一個經濟能力的部分我們也希望就誠如部長的他的想法一樣我們希望更多經濟能力好的民眾來臺灣有品質高消費\n而不是只關注在這個人數我們希望說觀光署在今年相關的行銷後面也都能夠多加一把勁啦委員您這樣的提醒其實相當好所以未來我也希望觀光署能夠針對消費能力強的那個年齡層我們特別去設計一些遊程或者是特別去設計一些商品來吸引他們來台灣是啊 那過去我們現在目前的這個來台觀光消費你們的行銷的重點區域大概在哪邊以國際上來講\n我們大概就是三個部分第一個部分就是日韓日韓第二個部分就是重點的那個我們叫東南亞幹嘛不好意思講對 所以我們叫南向 新南向然後第三個重點就是歐美好 那我想這個可能在這個\n三個面向啦其實因為因應川普的關稅衝擊嘛那勢必會影響到國際的一些旅客這個不能怪任何人不能怪到我們自己的身上但是我們應該要去尋找如果說東南亞在這一波的關稅貿易衝擊是很大的時候\n那我經濟受到衝擊出國的人士或者是經濟能力一定就會影響嘛我也希望說我們觀光署能夠針對這一波關稅貿易戰對每個國家不同的一個衝擊衝擊越小的他出國的這個意願一定是會維持原本的一個比例嘛那就希望說把關稅戰這個部分也納進去然後去調整我們後續這個觀光行銷的一個客群的目標好不好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.437 --> 00:08.141\n謝謝主席那麻煩我們的陳部長我們周署長陳部長署長委員好兩位好我們今年的觀光來台的目標跟去年一樣定在1000萬那去年沒有達標今年第一季第一月的時候來台的人數有成長確實有成長但是碰上了這個金融問題可能又會不太樂觀\n\n00:33.322 --> 00:52.537\n那我想確認一下剛剛延續魯明哲委員的問題啦確實長期以來台灣的觀光逆差的數字都是非常的大今年1月來台灣的旅客確實是增加的但是增幅卻比我們出國旅遊的比例來的低是不是這樣\n\n00:54.689 --> 01:15.837\n大概比例差多少我覺得我們一月可能來台成長多少那這個出國的比例成長多少因為出國的部分移民署還沒有提供這個部分第一季他們還沒有提供那一月份對我們一月份的部分大概我們出國的比例跟這個我們叫英鎊跟澳鎊的部分大概就有10%\n\n01:17.558 --> 01:40.992\n差不多一樣是成長3%嗎還是多少就是出國跟來我們旅遊的成長大概差幾%成長率啦我們這個數字我們再確認一下你請幕僚先整理一下因為醫護組只公布1月份的好不好你最後再回答我那長期以來我們可能都是著重於這個數字大家這個數字很直觀嘛但是長期以來\n\n01:42.947 --> 02:04.737\n大家比較關注的最關注的會講到觀光的問題最重要的就是經濟問題就是順差逆差的一個問題那去年我們的這個觀光逆差可能是一個數字但今年我們是我們是預判這個觀光逆差會持續增加還是會變小我們期望是變小那你們有沒有目標\n\n02:06.606 --> 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