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00:02:00,535\n主協內部技術部門跟競賽部門之間的橫向溝通出了很大的問題那既然三月中都是他們接的場地其實他可以把教練講習跟男主的訓練移到別的地方去其實我們國內是沒有缺少訓練的場地我們主要是比賽的場地缺乏那當然這部分我們還是希望主協趕快找到秘書長能把這個橫向的聯繫把它做好\n\n7\n00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:31,966\n那體育署這邊的責任呢我們這邊目前我們在跟高雄市這邊也在談我們希望把中正體育場把它做為第三座的A級的場地那目前正在規劃當中那我們還是持續尋覓其他各縣市如果是比較大型的田徑場館是不是也可以有共用來再創造更多的A級場地不然我們的A級賽事場地都永遠在這北高這兩個其實壓力太大了那針對竹協這一次的疏失我們是把這一次的補助300萬把它撤銷\n\n8\n00:02:33,484 --> 00:02:56,258\n除了這之後要怎麼樣跟足協好好的來做嚴加的管理?報委員其實我們去年他3月發生場地的事情的時候我們在6月其實有輔導他們在至少一個月前都要進行草地的加強養護那SOP他們這一次又沒有落實所以我們這次會請他們把它落實把它寫下來書面化要求他們在每一次的比賽過程要有一個\n\n9\n00:02:56,979 --> 00:03:11,617\n檢核表這一定要落實不是只有書面化就是檢核啦我想是檢核啦紙上談兵沒有用啦我知道就是要檢核這個是真的是要執行面的問題啊因為他們就是公路人員的行政能力因為這次的整個所有的國際賽事被取消這個對於台灣來講其實是相當丟臉的一件事情沒有錯\n\n10\n00:03:14,961 --> 00:03:31,214\n所以足协要付出非常大的一个责任那刚刚其实提到这场地的问题我想在去年其实我们也挹注了许多的地区包含高雄然后台中宜兰然后还有新竹我们是不是也正在进行所谓的足球场\n\n11\n00:03:31,954 --> 00:03:52,573\n就是符合國際賽事的足球場的這樣子的一個興建或者是我講的是台中的部分我們不是有一個首座的足球運動休閒園區也包含兩座符合國際標準的足球場那預計啦當時是說預計是在今年會完工那現在的工期到什麼進度有沒有延長\n\n12\n00:03:53,594 --> 00:04:14,328\n台中的部分應該是明年才會完工不過台中的部分它是一面符合國家級的一個size是天然草皮另外一個人工草皮的部分只有在U20以下的size才能夠進行所以明年才會完工對那就跟2023年當初我們講的那個計畫是今年完工是有延宕的這個部分工程本來就比較難預料啦\n\n13\n00:04:15,785 --> 00:04:34,224\n所以是明年才會完工接下來我想剛剛其實署長也在其他的委員在質詢的時候有特別提到我們一直在推廣基層足球的一個發展一直在推廣但是全國國小足球世界盃現在是你一定要停辦\n\n14\n00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:51,241\n那我們也收到了許多家長的陳情啦那他們其實是很焦慮也很心慌因為孩子呢可能從五年級他有參加到六年級現在他挺辦了但即將要面對的是國中\n\n15\n00:04:51,841 --> 00:04:58,723\n那接下來要到國中他是要繼續讓孩子踢足球呢還是我們這個計畫為什麼停辦那當初停辦的原因是什麼或者是說有沒有跟家長來做溝通或者是跟學校校方的基層的這些教練們有來做說明為什麼停辦因為我們在108年創辦\n\n16\n00:05:13,687 --> 00:05:38,300\n之後其實是很多很多小學的隊伍都極力的參加到了112學年度已經達到了782隊報名參賽這已經是創下了一個非常好的一個紀錄但是好不容易我們到了高峰結果說今年這個113學年度是要停辦的這個停辦的說明有跟剛剛我提到的家長或者是跟學校的教練有來溝通嗎\n\n17\n00:05:39,781 --> 00:06:05,642\n報告委員我們這個問題分兩個層面第一個由於今年的通山以及凍結的因素我們公務預算的部分被要求控管三成的經費所以我們必須把人事費相關還有聯賽選手權益等等我們先保護住還有一些學生的保險等等那這一部備賽我們的確是目前是沒有足夠的預算來進行這場賽事所以不得不捨棄但是我們也同時找了專大學者一起來商討也是一些賽事的\n\n18\n00:06:06,382 --> 00:06:31,948\n基層賽事的主辦方來討論我們世界轉型把它變成一個社區的賽事未來我們不排除我們會做社區的就是說不是以學校為單位而已而是以社區包括社區一起納進來一樣是這個年齡層在學童的年齡層來辦理這個賽事但是我們目前的確在公務預算方面我們目前是沒有多餘的預算來做這件事情所以確定全國國小足球世界盃已經是劃下據點了我可以這麼講嗎\n\n19\n00:06:35,669 --> 00:06:58,126\n這原因是這樣子因為我們真的就是今年的預算沒有辦法那明年呢我們運動部的部分我們積極爭取我們現在當然有編只是我們積極爭取我們的預算那什麼時候我們才能夠知道說今年停辦我們其他的你剛剛所說的署長所說的一些社區的我們要怎麼樣來個別來做這樣子的一個推廣\n\n20\n00:06:58,857 --> 00:07:20,206\n包委員這部分就第二個層面來講我們現在足球的賽事越多隊伍數也越來越多也就是說我們的足球場地其實越來越滿所以我們也很擔心說我們現在在這個時間點來舉辦社區的賽事因為不管是足協其他的聯賽其實都有這個年齡層的賽事都不缺乏\n\n21\n00:07:20,686 --> 00:07:47,593\n那我們要不要再增加造成場地更大的負擔我們也是有在跟一些賽事的基層訓練基層的賽事的主辦方來討論那我們會審慎的評估但是對我來講我當然希望比賽越多越好包括我們未來的社區化全民運動孩子的聯賽我們希望能夠在週末盡可能在週末不影響的課業的方式來進行這方面的賽事所以停辦的主因就是因為我們這個會期的同山的部分\n\n22\n00:07:48,833 --> 00:08:15,187\n好那我們想辦法是我這邊努力的想辦法好不好因為我想這個基層足球的發展對於很多的孩子來講很多的家長來講其實他們是非常非常的抱有希望啦那也是全民的一個運動尤其是向下殺根的部分好那再來就是運動彩券發行的這個部分我想呢這個我還是要問一下就是署長您自己有買過運動彩券嗎\n\n23\n00:08:16,468 --> 00:08:39,550\n報告委員我不被允許我不能買好你沒有買平常朋友家人有買過嗎有聽他們講有買好玩嗎我不知道因為我沒有買過所以你沒有收集到其他人的資料嗎有其實經銷商他們都會跟我們做一些回饋反應那我知道委員要問的是應該是講資率的部分\n\n24\n00:08:40,532 --> 00:08:46,220\n這個部分我想我們蒐集到的一些資料就是15個專家一起做了大概750場的一個預測記得是專家那這些專家當中其中有412場是猜對了338場是猜錯了\n\n25\n00:08:56,454 --> 00:09:11,939\n命中率是54.9%但是這樣子的命中率到最後還是賠了24,880元那可敬這個誘因還有它的這個應該是說投資報酬率或者是說它的這個中獎率它的\n\n26\n00:09:13,060 --> 00:09:28,577\n讓大家吸引大家來買運動彩券的這樣子的吸引力其實是不足的那這個部分我們是不是有可能來做一些鬆綁或者是來做一些改變讓這個獎金的支出率可以提高它的上限\n\n27\n00:09:29,218 --> 00:09:49,037\n保委員在現有的架構下運動彩券因為賭博在台灣不是一個容許它不是不被容許它是一個特許的行業那還有社會責任在那其實它獎資率78%是一個一整年度的平均值它其實針對不同的賽事它可以到九十幾或者是到降到六十幾由發行機構自己去做運用\n\n28\n00:09:49,497 --> 00:10:12,912\n那當然78%裡面有22%是它的成本就有10%進到我們的國家對這杯培訓或者是國際賽事另外有經銷商以及發行機構那我知道經銷商他們其實希望我們國家的部分能夠在一定的收入之下能夠做一個讓利讓這個獎勵率可以有所提升那這部分我們正在做研議那我們當然第三屆已經簽約了那我們希望在第三屆的期間多聽各方的意見\n\n29\n00:10:14,173 --> 00:10:35,675\n整理出一個更好的方案來做修法那第四屆的時候就可以按照經銷商他們的期待我想如果有提高這個獎金的比例其實也能夠挹注在運動發展一些基金的項目啦那我想這個是雙贏的一個局面所以其實應該也要來近期之內就是進行的一些研議啦好謝謝謝謝署長謝謝主席謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5768\t8733\t好 謝謝主席 有請署長好 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就是要檢核這個是真的是要執行面的問題啊因為他們就是公路人員的行政能力因為這次的整個所有的國際賽事被取消這個對於台灣來講其實是相當丟臉的一件事情沒有錯\n194961\t211214\t所以足协要付出非常大的一个责任那刚刚其实提到这场地的问题我想在去年其实我们也挹注了许多的地区包含高雄然后台中宜兰然后还有新竹我们是不是也正在进行所谓的足球场\n211954\t232573\t就是符合國際賽事的足球場的這樣子的一個興建或者是我講的是台中的部分我們不是有一個首座的足球運動休閒園區也包含兩座符合國際標準的足球場那預計啦 當時是說預計是在今年會完工那現在的工期到什麼進度 有沒有延長\n233594\t254328\t台中的部分應該是明年才會完工不過台中的部分它是一面符合國家級的一個size是天然草皮另外一個人工草皮的部分只有在U20以下的size才能夠進行所以明年才會完工對那就跟2023年當初我們講的那個計畫是今年完工是有延宕的這個部分工程本來就比較難預料啦\n255785\t274224\t所以是明年才會完工接下來我想剛剛其實署長也在其他的委員在質詢的時候有特別提到我們一直在推廣基層足球的一個發展一直在推廣但是全國國小足球世界盃現在是你一定要停辦\n275525\t291241\t那我們也收到了許多家長的陳情啦那他們其實是很焦慮也很心慌因為孩子呢可能從五年級他有參加到六年級現在他挺辦了但即將要面對的是國中\n291841\t298723\t那接下來要到國中他是要繼續讓孩子踢足球呢還是我們這個計畫為什麼停辦那當初停辦的原因是什麼或者是說有沒有跟家長來做溝通或者是跟學校校方的基層的這些教練們有來做說明為什麼停辦因為我們在108年創辦\n313687\t338300\t之後其實是很多很多小學的隊伍都極力的參加到了112學年度已經達到了782隊報名參賽這已經是創下了一個非常好的一個紀錄但是好不容易我們到了高峰結果說今年這個113學年度是要停辦的這個停辦的說明有跟剛剛我提到的家長或者是跟學校的教練有來溝通嗎\n339781\t365642\t報告委員我們這個問題分兩個層面第一個由於今年的通山以及凍結的因素我們公務預算的部分被要求控管三成的經費所以我們必須把人事費相關還有聯賽選手權益等等我們先保護住還有一些學生的保險等等那這一部備賽我們的確是目前是沒有足夠的預算來進行這場賽事所以不得不捨棄但是我們也同時找了專大學者一起來商討也是一些賽事的\n366382\t391948\t基層賽事的主辦方來討論我們世界轉型把它變成一個社區的賽事未來我們不排除我們會做社區的就是說不是以學校為單位而已而是以社區包括社區一起納進來一樣是這個年齡層在學童的年齡層來辦理這個賽事但是我們目前的確在公務預算方面我們目前是沒有多餘的預算來做這件事情所以確定全國國小足球世界盃已經是劃下據點了我可以這麼講嗎\n395669\t418126\t這原因是這樣子因為我們真的就是今年的預算沒有辦法那明年呢我們運動部的部分我們積極爭取我們現在當然有編只是我們積極爭取我們的預算那什麼時候我們才能夠知道說今年停辦我們其他的你剛剛所說的署長所說的一些社區的我們要怎麼樣來個別來做這樣子的一個推廣\n418857\t440206\t包委員這部分就第二個層面來講我們現在足球的賽事越多隊伍數也越來越多也就是說我們的足球場地其實越來越滿所以我們也很擔心說我們現在在這個時間點來舉辦社區的賽事因為不管是足協其他的聯賽其實都有這個年齡層的賽事都不缺乏\n440686\t467593\t那我們要不要再增加造成場地更大的負擔我們也是有在跟一些賽事的基層訓練基層的賽事的主辦方來討論那我們會審慎的評估但是對我來講我當然希望比賽越多越好包括我們未來的社區化全民運動孩子的聯賽我們希望能夠在週末盡可能在週末不影響的課業的方式來進行這方面的賽事所以停辦的主因就是因為我們這個會期的同山的部分\n468833\t495187\t好 那我們想辦法 是 我這邊努力的想辦法好不好 因為我想這個基層足球的發展對於很多的孩子來講 很多的家長來講其實他們是非常非常的抱有希望啦那也是全民的一個運動 尤其是向下殺根的部分好 那再來就是運動彩券發行的這個部分我想呢 這個我還是要問一下 就是署長您自己有買過運動彩券嗎\n496468\t519550\t報告委員我不被允許我不能買好你沒有買平常朋友家人有買過嗎有聽他們講有買好玩嗎我不知道因為我沒有買過所以你沒有收集到其他人的資料嗎有其實經銷商他們都會跟我們做一些回饋反應那我知道委員要問的是應該是講資率的部分\n520532\t526220\t這個部分我想我們蒐集到的一些資料就是15個專家一起做了大概750場的一個預測記得是專家那這些專家當中其中有412場是猜對了338場是猜錯了\n536454\t551939\t命中率是54.9%但是這樣子的命中率到最後還是賠了24,880元那可敬這個誘因還有它的這個應該是說投資報酬率或者是說它的這個中獎率它的\n553060\t568577\t讓大家吸引大家來買運動彩券的這樣子的吸引力其實是不足的那這個部分我們是不是有可能來做一些鬆綁或者是來做一些改變讓這個獎金的支出率可以提高它的上限\n569218\t589037\t保委員在現有的架構下運動彩券因為賭博在台灣不是一個容許它不是不被容許它是一個特許的行業那還有社會責任在那其實它獎資率78%是一個一整年度的平均值它其實針對不同的賽事它可以到九十幾或者是到降到六十幾由發行機構自己去做運用\n589497\t612912\t那當然78%裡面有22%是它的成本就有10%進到我們的國家對這杯培訓或者是國際賽事另外有經銷商以及發行機構那我知道經銷商他們其實希望我們國家的部分能夠在一定的收入之下能夠做一個讓利讓這個獎勵率可以有所提升那這部分我們正在做研議那我們當然第三屆已經簽約了那我們希望在第三屆的期間多聽各方的意見\n614173\t635675\t整理出一個更好的方案來做修法那第四屆的時候就可以按照經銷商他們的期待我想如果有提高這個獎金的比例其實也能夠挹注在運動發展一些基金的項目啦那我想這個是雙贏的一個局面所以其實應該也要來近期之內就是進行的一些研議啦好 謝謝謝謝署長 謝謝主席 謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 有請署長好 請署長委員好\n剛剛其實有很多委員都有提到我想你應該知道我等一下接下來要問的一個問題喔足協其實從過去到現在正義一直不斷那在2024年的時候其實也被踢爆就是讓女足的國家隊簽署了這個不平等的合約那包含\n其中的合約有一些所謂的像肖像可以無限期的使用這類非常非常不公平的一個合約在內那另外呢他也曾經積欠過這個女足的薪水一直到最近又出事了那本來預計是在高雄男子足球場\n是昨天應該要來進行跟紐西蘭的女足的一個比賽但是呢也因為場地的關係那這個紐西蘭隊表示安全是絕對不能夠容忍退讓的底線所以他們就不參賽了\n這個對於台灣一直不斷的我們在講我們現在要推廣足球或者是在足協在這個部分不管是場地也好或者是在我們在跟別人在溝通也好或者是足球足協內部的管理也好因為這個場地在三月下旬仍然持續開放男足的訓練請問這到底是足協的問題還是體育署的問題\n主協內部技術部門跟競賽部門之間的橫向溝通出了很大的問題那既然三月中都是他們接的場地其實他可以把教練講習跟男主的訓練移到別的地方去其實我們國內是沒有缺少訓練的場地我們主要是比賽的場地缺乏那當然這部分我們還是希望主協趕快找到秘書長能把這個橫向的聯繫把它做好\n那體育署這邊的責任呢我們這邊目前我們在跟高雄市這邊也在談我們希望把中正體育場把它做為第三座的A級的場地那目前正在規劃當中那我們還是持續尋覓其他各縣市如果是比較大型的田徑場館是不是也可以有共用來再創造更多的A級場地不然我們的A級賽事場地都永遠在這北高這兩個其實壓力太大了那針對竹協這一次的疏失我們是把這一次的補助300萬把它撤銷\n除了這之後要怎麼樣跟足協好好的來做嚴加的管理?報委員其實我們去年他3月發生場地的事情的時候我們在6月其實有輔導他們在至少一個月前都要進行草地的加強養護那SOP他們這一次又沒有落實所以我們這次會請他們把它落實把它寫下來書面化要求他們在每一次的比賽過程要有一個\n檢核表 這一定要落實不是只有書面化就是檢核啦 我想是檢核啦紙上談兵沒有用啦我知道 就是要檢核這個是真的是要執行面的問題啊因為他們就是公路人員的行政能力因為這次的整個所有的國際賽事被取消這個對於台灣來講其實是相當丟臉的一件事情沒有錯\n所以足协要付出非常大的一个责任那刚刚其实提到这场地的问题我想在去年其实我们也挹注了许多的地区包含高雄然后台中宜兰然后还有新竹我们是不是也正在进行所谓的足球场\n就是符合國際賽事的足球場的這樣子的一個興建或者是我講的是台中的部分我們不是有一個首座的足球運動休閒園區也包含兩座符合國際標準的足球場那預計啦 當時是說預計是在今年會完工那現在的工期到什麼進度 有沒有延長\n台中的部分應該是明年才會完工不過台中的部分它是一面符合國家級的一個size是天然草皮另外一個人工草皮的部分只有在U20以下的size才能夠進行所以明年才會完工對那就跟2023年當初我們講的那個計畫是今年完工是有延宕的這個部分工程本來就比較難預料啦\n所以是明年才會完工接下來我想剛剛其實署長也在其他的委員在質詢的時候有特別提到我們一直在推廣基層足球的一個發展一直在推廣但是全國國小足球世界盃現在是你一定要停辦\n那我們也收到了許多家長的陳情啦那他們其實是很焦慮也很心慌因為孩子呢可能從五年級他有參加到六年級現在他挺辦了但即將要面對的是國中\n那接下來要到國中他是要繼續讓孩子踢足球呢還是我們這個計畫為什麼停辦那當初停辦的原因是什麼或者是說有沒有跟家長來做溝通或者是跟學校校方的基層的這些教練們有來做說明為什麼停辦因為我們在108年創辦\n之後其實是很多很多小學的隊伍都極力的參加到了112學年度已經達到了782隊報名參賽這已經是創下了一個非常好的一個紀錄但是好不容易我們到了高峰結果說今年這個113學年度是要停辦的這個停辦的說明有跟剛剛我提到的家長或者是跟學校的教練有來溝通嗎\n報告委員我們這個問題分兩個層面第一個由於今年的通山以及凍結的因素我們公務預算的部分被要求控管三成的經費所以我們必須把人事費相關還有聯賽選手權益等等我們先保護住還有一些學生的保險等等那這一部備賽我們的確是目前是沒有足夠的預算來進行這場賽事所以不得不捨棄但是我們也同時找了專大學者一起來商討也是一些賽事的\n基層賽事的主辦方來討論我們世界轉型把它變成一個社區的賽事未來我們不排除我們會做社區的就是說不是以學校為單位而已而是以社區包括社區一起納進來一樣是這個年齡層在學童的年齡層來辦理這個賽事但是我們目前的確在公務預算方面我們目前是沒有多餘的預算來做這件事情所以確定全國國小足球世界盃已經是劃下據點了我可以這麼講嗎\n這原因是這樣子因為我們真的就是今年的預算沒有辦法那明年呢我們運動部的部分我們積極爭取我們現在當然有編只是我們積極爭取我們的預算那什麼時候我們才能夠知道說今年停辦我們其他的你剛剛所說的署長所說的一些社區的我們要怎麼樣來個別來做這樣子的一個推廣\n包委員這部分就第二個層面來講我們現在足球的賽事越多隊伍數也越來越多也就是說我們的足球場地其實越來越滿所以我們也很擔心說我們現在在這個時間點來舉辦社區的賽事因為不管是足協其他的聯賽其實都有這個年齡層的賽事都不缺乏\n那我們要不要再增加造成場地更大的負擔我們也是有在跟一些賽事的基層訓練基層的賽事的主辦方來討論那我們會審慎的評估但是對我來講我當然希望比賽越多越好包括我們未來的社區化全民運動孩子的聯賽我們希望能夠在週末盡可能在週末不影響的課業的方式來進行這方面的賽事所以停辦的主因就是因為我們這個會期的同山的部分\n好 那我們想辦法 是 我這邊努力的想辦法好不好 因為我想這個基層足球的發展對於很多的孩子來講 很多的家長來講其實他們是非常非常的抱有希望啦那也是全民的一個運動 尤其是向下殺根的部分好 那再來就是運動彩券發行的這個部分我想呢 這個我還是要問一下 就是署長您自己有買過運動彩券嗎\n報告委員我不被允許我不能買好你沒有買平常朋友家人有買過嗎有聽他們講有買好玩嗎我不知道因為我沒有買過所以你沒有收集到其他人的資料嗎有其實經銷商他們都會跟我們做一些回饋反應那我知道委員要問的是應該是講資率的部分\n這個部分我想我們蒐集到的一些資料就是15個專家一起做了大概750場的一個預測記得是專家那這些專家當中其中有412場是猜對了338場是猜錯了\n命中率是54.9%但是這樣子的命中率到最後還是賠了24,880元那可敬這個誘因還有它的這個應該是說投資報酬率或者是說它的這個中獎率它的\n讓大家吸引大家來買運動彩券的這樣子的吸引力其實是不足的那這個部分我們是不是有可能來做一些鬆綁或者是來做一些改變讓這個獎金的支出率可以提高它的上限\n保委員在現有的架構下運動彩券因為賭博在台灣不是一個容許它不是不被容許它是一個特許的行業那還有社會責任在那其實它獎資率78%是一個一整年度的平均值它其實針對不同的賽事它可以到九十幾或者是到降到六十幾由發行機構自己去做運用\n那當然78%裡面有22%是它的成本就有10%進到我們的國家對這杯培訓或者是國際賽事另外有經銷商以及發行機構那我知道經銷商他們其實希望我們國家的部分能夠在一定的收入之下能夠做一個讓利讓這個獎勵率可以有所提升那這部分我們正在做研議那我們當然第三屆已經簽約了那我們希望在第三屆的期間多聽各方的意見\n整理出一個更好的方案來做修法那第四屆的時候就可以按照經銷商他們的期待我想如果有提高這個獎金的比例其實也能夠挹注在運動發展一些基金的項目啦那我想這個是雙贏的一個局面所以其實應該也要來近期之內就是進行的一些研議啦好 謝謝謝謝署長 謝謝主席 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.768 --> 00:08.733\n好謝謝主席有請署長好請署長委員好\n\n00:15.841 --> 00:33.622\n剛剛其實有很多委員都有提到我想你應該知道我等一下接下來要問的一個問題喔足協其實從過去到現在正義一直不斷那在2024年的時候其實也被踢爆就是讓女足的國家隊簽署了這個不平等的合約那包含\n\n00:34.302 --> 00:52.472\n其中的合約有一些所謂的像肖像可以無限期的使用這類非常非常不公平的一個合約在內那另外呢他也曾經積欠過這個女足的薪水一直到最近又出事了那本來預計是在高雄男子足球場\n\n00:56.034 --> 01:11.840\n是昨天應該要來進行跟紐西蘭的女足的一個比賽但是呢也因為場地的關係那這個紐西蘭隊表示安全是絕對不能夠容忍退讓的底線所以他們就不參賽了\n\n01:13.200 --> 01:38.229\n這個對於台灣一直不斷的我們在講我們現在要推廣足球或者是在足協在這個部分不管是場地也好或者是在我們在跟別人在溝通也好或者是足球足協內部的管理也好因為這個場地在三月下旬仍然持續開放男足的訓練請問這到底是足協的問題還是體育署的問題\n\n01:41.250 --> 02:00.535\n主協內部技術部門跟競賽部門之間的橫向溝通出了很大的問題那既然三月中都是他們接的場地其實他可以把教練講習跟男主的訓練移到別的地方去其實我們國內是沒有缺少訓練的場地我們主要是比賽的場地缺乏那當然這部分我們還是希望主協趕快找到秘書長能把這個橫向的聯繫把它做好\n\n02:03.120 --> 02:31.966\n那體育署這邊的責任呢我們這邊目前我們在跟高雄市這邊也在談我們希望把中正體育場把它做為第三座的A級的場地那目前正在規劃當中那我們還是持續尋覓其他各縣市如果是比較大型的田徑場館是不是也可以有共用來再創造更多的A級場地不然我們的A級賽事場地都永遠在這北高這兩個其實壓力太大了那針對竹協這一次的疏失我們是把這一次的補助300萬把它撤銷\n\n02:33.484 --> 02:56.258\n除了這之後要怎麼樣跟足協好好的來做嚴加的管理?報委員其實我們去年他3月發生場地的事情的時候我們在6月其實有輔導他們在至少一個月前都要進行草地的加強養護那SOP他們這一次又沒有落實所以我們這次會請他們把它落實把它寫下來書面化要求他們在每一次的比賽過程要有一個\n\n02:56.979 --> 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06:05.642\n報告委員我們這個問題分兩個層面第一個由於今年的通山以及凍結的因素我們公務預算的部分被要求控管三成的經費所以我們必須把人事費相關還有聯賽選手權益等等我們先保護住還有一些學生的保險等等那這一部備賽我們的確是目前是沒有足夠的預算來進行這場賽事所以不得不捨棄但是我們也同時找了專大學者一起來商討也是一些賽事的\n\n06:06.382 --> 06:31.948\n基層賽事的主辦方來討論我們世界轉型把它變成一個社區的賽事未來我們不排除我們會做社區的就是說不是以學校為單位而已而是以社區包括社區一起納進來一樣是這個年齡層在學童的年齡層來辦理這個賽事但是我們目前的確在公務預算方面我們目前是沒有多餘的預算來做這件事情所以確定全國國小足球世界盃已經是劃下據點了我可以這麼講嗎\n\n06:35.669 --> 06:58.126\n這原因是這樣子因為我們真的就是今年的預算沒有辦法那明年呢我們運動部的部分我們積極爭取我們現在當然有編只是我們積極爭取我們的預算那什麼時候我們才能夠知道說今年停辦我們其他的你剛剛所說的署長所說的一些社區的我們要怎麼樣來個別來做這樣子的一個推廣\n\n06:58.857 --> 07:20.206\n包委員這部分就第二個層面來講我們現在足球的賽事越多隊伍數也越來越多也就是說我們的足球場地其實越來越滿所以我們也很擔心說我們現在在這個時間點來舉辦社區的賽事因為不管是足協其他的聯賽其實都有這個年齡層的賽事都不缺乏\n\n07:20.686 --> 07:47.593\n那我們要不要再增加造成場地更大的負擔我們也是有在跟一些賽事的基層訓練基層的賽事的主辦方來討論那我們會審慎的評估但是對我來講我當然希望比賽越多越好包括我們未來的社區化全民運動孩子的聯賽我們希望能夠在週末盡可能在週末不影響的課業的方式來進行這方面的賽事所以停辦的主因就是因為我們這個會期的同山的部分\n\n07:48.833 --> 08:15.187\n好那我們想辦法是我這邊努力的想辦法好不好因為我想這個基層足球的發展對於很多的孩子來講很多的家長來講其實他們是非常非常的抱有希望啦那也是全民的一個運動尤其是向下殺根的部分好那再來就是運動彩券發行的這個部分我想呢這個我還是要問一下就是署長您自己有買過運動彩券嗎\n\n08:16.468 --> 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