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00:03:16,910\n所以也是給予一個三個月的一個時間因為畢竟對他們來講這個取得畢竟時間上都有點困難我知道陸委會有在想說有沒有一些配套的措施是這個部分我們也跟陸委會有在開會議就是說原則上我們通知補繳這個是法律的一個規定那如果我們這些\n\n10\n00:03:19,512 --> 00:03:46,582\n對象他在實際上實質上他有面臨到什麼樣的一個困難我們也願意來蒐集他們的意見那這個可能要盡快因為這個人數我看也不少所以可能這個要其實大部分的我們目前我們在台的這個兩岸婚姻的路易配偶是有36萬人那其中已經有涉及的是14萬人\n\n11\n00:03:47,822 --> 00:04:08,473\n那我們現在清查出來的大概有1萬出頭的人是沒有講那這個就盡快啦因為我昨天有協調昨天協調之後有時候要配套方案因為我覺得這個畢竟也是涉及到第一個他如果回去有一些人是有危險的是這些我們會做考慮跟委員報告那這個署長在那我們在之後的時候等陸委會這邊的結論出來之後那我再來問\n\n12\n00:04:09,233 --> 00:04:37,754\n是是是好謝謝你的說明好謝謝我那我問一下這個局長那局長因為這個最近剛好有這一個軍演那所以軍演這邊呢其實少不了一些輿論上的一些操作那我現在當然比較好奇的事情就是說我知道今天大家都比較關心共諜我現在大概都已經問完了我現在比較關心的反而是這一件就是說第一個他們的文宣攻勢當然還是很多這個網路攻擊在這次的夜報其實有特別提到那因為他們這一次也有做出相關的影片\n\n13\n00:04:38,374 --> 00:04:50,997\n那這個影片裡面所用的一些用語其實我覺得跟之前也有也不太相同啦那關於這一件事情不管是他們對我們的軍人的心戰還是輿論戰這一次軍演的部分有沒有什麼在之前有做了什麼應對\n\n14\n00:04:52,485 --> 00:05:10,300\n對這一次的演習跟歷來的演習一樣一定都會配合到一些所謂的輿論戰還有爭議訊息的一個操作來加大可能對台灣的文攻武嚇的一個總體的一個成效那就在宣傳的部分可以看到它一些官宣的影音動畫\n\n15\n00:05:11,181 --> 00:05:38,877\n似乎這一次的推波的力度比過去來的更大那但就演習本身來講我們有注意到比較像是把例行的演習來做一個拼湊那讓例行的演習變成是一種有針對性對台灣的一個針對性的演習那這也是一個比較新的發展趨勢也就是說在軍事上有這樣的一個新的發展動態那在文宣的操作上影音的操作還有圖卡的操作似乎又是這一次演習一個蠻重要的一個心理戰的重點\n\n16\n00:05:39,577 --> 00:06:00,047\n對因為我這次看軍事它相關的一些補給啊什麼等等之類看起來沒有很多啦它就是為期就不會太長的一個演戲但是因為它裡面呢有特別強調這個所謂的台獨分子啦但它以前也會強調沒有錯那在這一次呢在這個軍演之前呢看起來它們相關的一些粉專啊什麼等等之類的台灣的一些在地協力者啊\n\n17\n00:06:00,407 --> 00:06:21,782\n都已經特別的再度強調到底誰才是台獨份子嘛誰才應該被懲戒嘛然後又特別在軍演的時候呢用了這些政治性的語言說這個伊斯又是台獨份子又是死路一條啦那我覺得在今年他們因為他們在之前法律戰除了2758號決議之外我覺得他們在今年蠻重要的一點就是再度要把這一個框架\n\n18\n00:06:22,282 --> 00:06:45,218\n要說台灣內部才是有真正的敵人就是台獨份子才是造成這一個戰亂的根源看起來他們好像持續要操作這件事情那這件事情我覺得就是說以現在就是我剛剛這個在後面我先台訊我晚點再問就是說我看到有一些公開資料的一些運用譬如說ISP他們最近都會有一些公開資料的一些透明化\n\n19\n00:06:45,698 --> 00:07:00,713\n那像我這次看到夜報裡面其實就有一張很不錯的關於網攻的這個圖那于晴其實應該也于晴之前在國安局本來就會固定的一直公佈嘛有時候在夜報有時候是國安局自己這個在媒體上面就直接受訪的時候就會講出來那因為現在\n\n20\n00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:26,983\n國外在應對這些輿論戰的時候都有做一些圖像化這個圖像化其實不一定要叫國安局做他可能是外圍的智庫做但國安局這個資料越多越透明他們越能做做了之後就會有一種地圖然後會有時間序列發生了什麼事情他們又操作了什麼輿論其實因為人民在軍演的時候才注意到這個題目的時候要他跟他之前的事件連結沒有那麼容易所以希望國安局能夠再適度地釋出更多的相關的資料\n\n21\n00:07:27,403 --> 00:07:49,833\n那這樣可以讓大家對於軍演這件事情有更多的研判那因為時間的關係我再問一下海巡不好意思就是說我看到海巡這一次的這一個你好你好這個因為我看到這個管主委他有提到就是說這一次的又有很多的一些不管是偷渡啊等等之類清廷啊等等的騷擾那這邊呢其實在每一次的聯合立見我們都可以看到相關的這個騷擾情形這邊有一個圖表\n\n22\n00:07:52,614 --> 00:08:20,697\n那這個呢也關係到就是之前我在質詢的時候有問過就是說這一次因為有拍到一些影像那這個是我們在去年質詢的時候呢就在內政委員會的時候就一直特別強調有影像其實能夠讓國人更認識這件事情那看起來這件事情持續有在進步所以我現在反而想我問兩件事情因為時間的關係第一個就是因為之前我知道他們都在講什麼密錄器那其實密錄器根本錄不遠嘛像這一次呢是因為距離很近所以才錄到這些相關的衝突\n\n23\n00:08:21,798 --> 00:08:45,863\n所以我想問一下關於尤其是在衝突的時候不管是從無人機的拍攝的角度還是說從我們自己的船隻的拍攝的角度因為中國現在開始會操作說這些都是台灣的船艦的問題一些民用船隻的問題我們現在在這邊相關的配置這些不管是監視攝影機等等之類不管是預算還是配置的這個速度現在如何這是第一個\n\n24\n00:08:46,603 --> 00:09:07,140\n那第二個呢我就請署長一次回答就好第二個就是呢我們現在我們看到下一個就是關於這個AIS我看到這一次其實在這個海底電纜的時候都有特別提到那我上次有提醒過就是說在海外有做了很多這種譬如說不同的船隻誰的AIS先有誰的又沒有他是不是一組等等之類的他可以做一些AI的研判\n\n25\n00:09:07,901 --> 00:09:26,372\n海巡那時候說其實我們也是可以自己做那現在相關的這些不管是在預算上或者在技術上現在有沒有辦法做到這些事情就這兩個問題就好謝謝這邊跟委員報告這樣有關那個金門事件以後我們所有的監視如影器包括艦船艇上面我們現在都已經做完備了\n\n26\n00:09:27,132 --> 00:09:47,847\n那特別跟委員報告我們在應對中國的不管是軍演不管是在金門或者是馬爾地區那我們的船艦距離大陸的船艦都非常近那我們最近的曾經到達將近不大一百公尺也就是貼著他們在拍所以我們拍出來效果是非常好的那也展現給國文那這一部分也非常有震撼力這邊特別跟委員報告\n\n27\n00:09:48,527 --> 00:10:15,072\n那另外有關航行在我們周邊的權益輪部分我們根據航港局提供的這個權益部分我們完全可以掌握在台灣周邊航行的相關權益輪那我們現在掌握的有96艘中資備檢權益輪那只要他一接近我們的這個臨海跟臨街區我們就會做監控然後請航港局以船級國管理方式先廣播那廣播不聽了我們會被船艦去登檢\n\n28\n00:10:15,892 --> 00:10:30,352\n那這個部分呢我們這個部分呢對於海面的目標我們是完全可以掌握的這邊特別跟我們報告好那現在齁就我最後一句就好了齁因為時間已經到了齁就是說因為畢竟現在我們有資料庫那有資料庫知道有哪些船隻剛剛講有九十幾艘嘛\n\n29\n00:10:30,692 --> 00:10:42,358\n那這個跟AI判斷又是另外一件事AI判斷的意思是說呢即使我們現在有資料庫這些資料庫的船隻跟別的船隻的互動比如說它的AIS這個關了這個馬上開它會不會是一組的就是說有這些判斷之後呢這個資料庫還有擴充的空間我指的是這件事情那因為時間的關係呢我就之後再繼續追蹤這件事謝謝主席謝謝局長跟兩位署長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n890\t6815\t謝謝主席那有請這個有請局長然後還有請這個海巡署署長謝謝好 謝謝主席 沈委員好謝謝今天移民署有啦 順便問一下移民署移民署署長 謝謝\n24571\t48845\t好 謝謝那這個我想先問一下移民署因為剛好我剛好才看到啦因為昨天在協調這個案件嘛那我還是想問一下就是說因為陸委會今天有在另外一邊也有在做這個相關的說明那現在因為這個2004年的這個修法它當時有這一個六個月的這樣的一個規定那因為現在呢畢竟就是說已經過了一段時間\n49665\t73072\t那除了陸委會配套修法之外呢現在在法治上有沒有什麼要特別跟這個民眾說明這件事情首先說明一下就是說我們兩岸的這個人民的這個戶籍我們是單一戶籍製造就是說在台灣地區我們在台灣設有戶籍的國民不得在大陸地區來設有戶籍或領用護照\n73792\t90750\t那麼這個案子是在兩岸條例是在九十三年的時候有做一個修正那當時就是修正就是說在九十三年以前的這個大陸地區人民必須在六個月內來當時一個溯起的規定\n94013\t108127\t那這個我們這一次呢這個其實有關這個涉及的這些規定一直以來都是持續在執行那移民署在96年以後才成立\n110229\t123503\t我們在去年10月是在清理就是說我們在清查的是疫情期間那麼延宕下來有些那麼一直我們都是寬延讓因為兩岸這個當時疫情期間那麼邊境\n128327\t149193\t這個管制的關係所以沒有回去拿的某一支鹽那也是經過兩年的這個時間我們認為說應該也足夠了那交通也是恢復了很多那所以在去年10月開始就是從疫情期間我們開始來清查那93年以前呢我是想問說93年以前這個因為畢竟當時是六個月這樣的一個規定\n152494\t172590\t其實那個時間已經過了所以這一次我們還是有考量到說即便是時間已經過了但是已經對於我們這個人民的這個身份的一個認定還是非常的關係重要所以我們這一次是通知說要補繳\n174291\t196910\t所以也是給予一個三個月的一個時間因為畢竟對他們來講這個取得畢竟時間上都有點困難我知道陸委會有在想說有沒有一些配套的措施是這個部分我們也跟陸委會有在開會議就是說原則上我們通知補繳這個是法律的一個規定那如果我們這些\n199512\t226582\t對象他在實際上實質上他有面臨到什麼樣的一個困難我們也願意來蒐集他們的意見那這個可能要盡快因為這個人數我看也不少所以可能這個要其實大部分的我們目前我們在台的這個兩岸婚姻的路易配偶是有36萬人那其中已經有涉及的是14萬人\n227822\t248473\t那我們現在清查出來的大概有1萬出頭的人是沒有講那這個就盡快啦因為我昨天有協調昨天協調之後有時候要配套方案因為我覺得這個畢竟也是涉及到第一個他如果回去有一些人是有危險的是這些我們會做考慮跟委員報告那這個署長在那我們在之後的時候等陸委會這邊的結論出來之後那我再來問\n249233\t277754\t是是是好 謝謝你的說明好 謝謝我那我問一下這個局長那局長因為這個最近剛好有這一個軍演那所以軍演這邊呢其實少不了一些輿論上的一些操作那我現在當然比較好奇的事情就是說我知道今天大家都比較關心共諜我現在大概都已經問完了我現在比較關心的反而是這一件就是說第一個他們的文宣攻勢當然還是很多這個網路攻擊在這次的夜報其實有特別提到那因為他們這一次也有做出相關的影片\n278374\t290997\t那這個影片裡面所用的一些用語其實我覺得跟之前也有也不太相同啦那關於這一件事情不管是他們對我們的軍人的心戰還是輿論戰這一次軍演的部分有沒有什麼在之前有做了什麼應對\n292485\t310300\t對 這一次的演習跟歷來的演習一樣一定都會配合到一些所謂的輿論戰還有爭議訊息的一個操作來加大可能對台灣的文攻武嚇的一個總體的一個成效那就在宣傳的部分可以看到它一些官宣的影音動畫\n311181\t338877\t似乎這一次的推波的力度比過去來的更大那但就演習本身來講我們有注意到比較像是把例行的演習來做一個拼湊那讓例行的演習變成是一種有針對性對台灣的一個針對性的演習那這也是一個比較新的發展趨勢也就是說在軍事上有這樣的一個新的發展動態那在文宣的操作上影音的操作還有圖卡的操作似乎又是這一次演習一個蠻重要的一個心理戰的重點\n339577\t360047\t對 因為我這次看軍事 它相關的一些補給啊什麼等等之類看起來沒有很多啦它就是為期 就不會太長的一個演戲但是因為它裡面呢 有特別強調這個所謂的台獨分子啦但它以前也會強調沒有錯那在這一次呢 在這個軍演之前呢看起來它們相關的一些粉專啊什麼等等之類的台灣的一些在地協力者啊\n360407\t381782\t都已經特別的再度強調到底誰才是台獨份子嘛誰才應該被懲戒嘛然後又特別在軍演的時候呢用了這些政治性的語言說這個伊斯又是台獨份子又是死路一條啦那我覺得在今年他們因為他們在之前法律戰除了2758號決議之外我覺得他們在今年蠻重要的一點就是再度要把這一個框架\n382282\t405218\t要說台灣內部才是有真正的敵人就是台獨份子才是造成這一個戰亂的根源看起來他們好像持續要操作這件事情那這件事情我覺得就是說以現在就是我剛剛這個在後面我先台訊我晚點再問就是說我看到有一些公開資料的一些運用譬如說ISP他們最近都會有一些公開資料的一些透明化\n405698\t420713\t那像我這次看到夜報裡面其實就有一張很不錯的關於網攻的這個圖那于晴其實應該也于晴之前在國安局本來就會固定的一直公佈嘛有時候在夜報有時候是國安局自己這個在媒體上面就直接受訪的時候就會講出來那因為現在\n421554\t446983\t國外在應對這些輿論戰的時候都有做一些圖像化這個圖像化其實不一定要叫國安局做他可能是外圍的智庫做但國安局這個資料越多越透明他們越能做做了之後就會有一種地圖然後會有時間序列發生了什麼事情他們又操作了什麼輿論其實因為人民在軍演的時候才注意到這個題目的時候要他跟他之前的事件連結沒有那麼容易所以希望國安局能夠再適度地釋出更多的相關的資料\n447403\t469833\t那這樣可以讓大家對於軍演這件事情有更多的研判那因為時間的關係我再問一下海巡不好意思就是說我看到海巡這一次的這一個你好你好 這個因為我看到這個管主委他有提到就是說這一次的又有很多的一些不管是偷渡啊等等之類清廷啊等等的騷擾那這邊呢其實在每一次的聯合立見我們都可以看到相關的這個騷擾情形這邊有一個圖表\n472614\t500697\t那這個呢也關係到就是之前我在質詢的時候有問過就是說這一次因為有拍到一些影像那這個是我們在去年質詢的時候呢就在內政委員會的時候就一直特別強調有影像其實能夠讓國人更認識這件事情那看起來這件事情持續有在進步所以我現在反而想我問兩件事情因為時間的關係第一個就是因為之前我知道他們都在講什麼密錄器那其實密錄器根本錄不遠嘛像這一次呢是因為距離很近所以才錄到這些相關的衝突\n501798\t525863\t所以我想問一下關於尤其是在衝突的時候不管是從無人機的拍攝的角度還是說從我們自己的船隻的拍攝的角度因為中國現在開始會操作說這些都是台灣的船艦的問題一些民用船隻的問題我們現在在這邊相關的配置這些不管是監視攝影機等等之類不管是預算還是配置的這個速度現在如何這是第一個\n526603\t547140\t那第二個呢 我就請署長一次回答就好第二個就是呢 我們現在我們看到下一個就是關於這個AIS我看到這一次其實在這個海底電纜的時候都有特別提到那我上次有提醒過就是說在海外有做了很多這種譬如說不同的船隻誰的AIS先有 誰的又沒有他是不是一組等等之類的他可以做一些AI的研判\n547901\t566372\t海巡那時候說其實我們也是可以自己做那現在相關的這些不管是在預算上或者在技術上現在有沒有辦法做到這些事情就這兩個問題就好 謝謝這邊跟委員報告這樣有關那個金門事件以後我們所有的監視如影器包括艦船艇上面我們現在都已經做完備了\n567132\t587847\t那特別跟委員報告我們在應對中國的不管是軍演不管是在金門或者是馬爾地區那我們的船艦距離大陸的船艦都非常近那我們最近的曾經到達將近不大一百公尺也就是貼著他們在拍所以我們拍出來效果是非常好的那也展現給國文那這一部分也非常有震撼力這邊特別跟委員報告\n588527\t615072\t那另外有關航行在我們周邊的權益輪部分我們根據航港局提供的這個權益部分我們完全可以掌握在台灣周邊航行的相關權益輪那我們現在掌握的有96艘中資備檢權益輪那只要他一接近我們的這個臨海跟臨街區我們就會做監控然後請航港局以船級國管理方式先廣播那廣播不聽了我們會被船艦去登檢\n615892\t630352\t那這個部分呢我們這個部分呢對於海面的目標我們是完全可以掌握的這邊特別跟我們報告好那現在齁就我最後一句就好了齁因為時間已經到了齁就是說因為畢竟現在我們有資料庫那有資料庫知道有哪些船隻剛剛講有九十幾艘嘛\n630692\t642358\t那這個跟AI判斷又是另外一件事AI判斷的意思是說呢即使我們現在有資料庫這些資料庫的船隻跟別的船隻的互動比如說它的AIS這個關了這個馬上開它會不會是一組的就是說有這些判斷之後呢這個資料庫還有擴充的空間我指的是這件事情那因為時間的關係呢我就之後再繼續追蹤這件事謝謝主席謝謝局長跟兩位署長好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席那有請這個有請局長然後還有請這個海巡署署長謝謝好 謝謝主席 沈委員好謝謝今天移民署有啦 順便問一下移民署移民署署長 謝謝\n好 謝謝那這個我想先問一下移民署因為剛好我剛好才看到啦因為昨天在協調這個案件嘛那我還是想問一下就是說因為陸委會今天有在另外一邊也有在做這個相關的說明那現在因為這個2004年的這個修法它當時有這一個六個月的這樣的一個規定那因為現在呢畢竟就是說已經過了一段時間\n那除了陸委會配套修法之外呢現在在法治上有沒有什麼要特別跟這個民眾說明這件事情首先說明一下就是說我們兩岸的這個人民的這個戶籍我們是單一戶籍製造就是說在台灣地區我們在台灣設有戶籍的國民不得在大陸地區來設有戶籍或領用護照\n那麼這個案子是在兩岸條例是在九十三年的時候有做一個修正那當時就是修正就是說在九十三年以前的這個大陸地區人民必須在六個月內來當時一個溯起的規定\n那這個我們這一次呢這個其實有關這個涉及的這些規定一直以來都是持續在執行那移民署在96年以後才成立\n我們在去年10月是在清理就是說我們在清查的是疫情期間那麼延宕下來有些那麼一直我們都是寬延讓因為兩岸這個當時疫情期間那麼邊境\n這個管制的關係所以沒有回去拿的某一支鹽那也是經過兩年的這個時間我們認為說應該也足夠了那交通也是恢復了很多那所以在去年10月開始就是從疫情期間我們開始來清查那93年以前呢我是想問說93年以前這個因為畢竟當時是六個月這樣的一個規定\n其實那個時間已經過了所以這一次我們還是有考量到說即便是時間已經過了但是已經對於我們這個人民的這個身份的一個認定還是非常的關係重要所以我們這一次是通知說要補繳\n所以也是給予一個三個月的一個時間因為畢竟對他們來講這個取得畢竟時間上都有點困難我知道陸委會有在想說有沒有一些配套的措施是這個部分我們也跟陸委會有在開會議就是說原則上我們通知補繳這個是法律的一個規定那如果我們這些\n對象他在實際上實質上他有面臨到什麼樣的一個困難我們也願意來蒐集他們的意見那這個可能要盡快因為這個人數我看也不少所以可能這個要其實大部分的我們目前我們在台的這個兩岸婚姻的路易配偶是有36萬人那其中已經有涉及的是14萬人\n那我們現在清查出來的大概有1萬出頭的人是沒有講那這個就盡快啦因為我昨天有協調昨天協調之後有時候要配套方案因為我覺得這個畢竟也是涉及到第一個他如果回去有一些人是有危險的是這些我們會做考慮跟委員報告那這個署長在那我們在之後的時候等陸委會這邊的結論出來之後那我再來問\n是是是好 謝謝你的說明好 謝謝我那我問一下這個局長那局長因為這個最近剛好有這一個軍演那所以軍演這邊呢其實少不了一些輿論上的一些操作那我現在當然比較好奇的事情就是說我知道今天大家都比較關心共諜我現在大概都已經問完了我現在比較關心的反而是這一件就是說第一個他們的文宣攻勢當然還是很多這個網路攻擊在這次的夜報其實有特別提到那因為他們這一次也有做出相關的影片\n那這個影片裡面所用的一些用語其實我覺得跟之前也有也不太相同啦那關於這一件事情不管是他們對我們的軍人的心戰還是輿論戰這一次軍演的部分有沒有什麼在之前有做了什麼應對\n對 這一次的演習跟歷來的演習一樣一定都會配合到一些所謂的輿論戰還有爭議訊息的一個操作來加大可能對台灣的文攻武嚇的一個總體的一個成效那就在宣傳的部分可以看到它一些官宣的影音動畫\n似乎這一次的推波的力度比過去來的更大那但就演習本身來講我們有注意到比較像是把例行的演習來做一個拼湊那讓例行的演習變成是一種有針對性對台灣的一個針對性的演習那這也是一個比較新的發展趨勢也就是說在軍事上有這樣的一個新的發展動態那在文宣的操作上影音的操作還有圖卡的操作似乎又是這一次演習一個蠻重要的一個心理戰的重點\n對 因為我這次看軍事 它相關的一些補給啊什麼等等之類看起來沒有很多啦它就是為期 就不會太長的一個演戲但是因為它裡面呢 有特別強調這個所謂的台獨分子啦但它以前也會強調沒有錯那在這一次呢 在這個軍演之前呢看起來它們相關的一些粉專啊什麼等等之類的台灣的一些在地協力者啊\n都已經特別的再度強調到底誰才是台獨份子嘛誰才應該被懲戒嘛然後又特別在軍演的時候呢用了這些政治性的語言說這個伊斯又是台獨份子又是死路一條啦那我覺得在今年他們因為他們在之前法律戰除了2758號決議之外我覺得他們在今年蠻重要的一點就是再度要把這一個框架\n要說台灣內部才是有真正的敵人就是台獨份子才是造成這一個戰亂的根源看起來他們好像持續要操作這件事情那這件事情我覺得就是說以現在就是我剛剛這個在後面我先台訊我晚點再問就是說我看到有一些公開資料的一些運用譬如說ISP他們最近都會有一些公開資料的一些透明化\n那像我這次看到夜報裡面其實就有一張很不錯的關於網攻的這個圖那于晴其實應該也于晴之前在國安局本來就會固定的一直公佈嘛有時候在夜報有時候是國安局自己這個在媒體上面就直接受訪的時候就會講出來那因為現在\n國外在應對這些輿論戰的時候都有做一些圖像化這個圖像化其實不一定要叫國安局做他可能是外圍的智庫做但國安局這個資料越多越透明他們越能做做了之後就會有一種地圖然後會有時間序列發生了什麼事情他們又操作了什麼輿論其實因為人民在軍演的時候才注意到這個題目的時候要他跟他之前的事件連結沒有那麼容易所以希望國安局能夠再適度地釋出更多的相關的資料\n那這樣可以讓大家對於軍演這件事情有更多的研判那因為時間的關係我再問一下海巡不好意思就是說我看到海巡這一次的這一個你好你好 這個因為我看到這個管主委他有提到就是說這一次的又有很多的一些不管是偷渡啊等等之類清廷啊等等的騷擾那這邊呢其實在每一次的聯合立見我們都可以看到相關的這個騷擾情形這邊有一個圖表\n那這個呢也關係到就是之前我在質詢的時候有問過就是說這一次因為有拍到一些影像那這個是我們在去年質詢的時候呢就在內政委員會的時候就一直特別強調有影像其實能夠讓國人更認識這件事情那看起來這件事情持續有在進步所以我現在反而想我問兩件事情因為時間的關係第一個就是因為之前我知道他們都在講什麼密錄器那其實密錄器根本錄不遠嘛像這一次呢是因為距離很近所以才錄到這些相關的衝突\n所以我想問一下關於尤其是在衝突的時候不管是從無人機的拍攝的角度還是說從我們自己的船隻的拍攝的角度因為中國現在開始會操作說這些都是台灣的船艦的問題一些民用船隻的問題我們現在在這邊相關的配置這些不管是監視攝影機等等之類不管是預算還是配置的這個速度現在如何這是第一個\n那第二個呢 我就請署長一次回答就好第二個就是呢 我們現在我們看到下一個就是關於這個AIS我看到這一次其實在這個海底電纜的時候都有特別提到那我上次有提醒過就是說在海外有做了很多這種譬如說不同的船隻誰的AIS先有 誰的又沒有他是不是一組等等之類的他可以做一些AI的研判\n海巡那時候說其實我們也是可以自己做那現在相關的這些不管是在預算上或者在技術上現在有沒有辦法做到這些事情就這兩個問題就好 謝謝這邊跟委員報告這樣有關那個金門事件以後我們所有的監視如影器包括艦船艇上面我們現在都已經做完備了\n那特別跟委員報告我們在應對中國的不管是軍演不管是在金門或者是馬爾地區那我們的船艦距離大陸的船艦都非常近那我們最近的曾經到達將近不大一百公尺也就是貼著他們在拍所以我們拍出來效果是非常好的那也展現給國文那這一部分也非常有震撼力這邊特別跟委員報告\n那另外有關航行在我們周邊的權益輪部分我們根據航港局提供的這個權益部分我們完全可以掌握在台灣周邊航行的相關權益輪那我們現在掌握的有96艘中資備檢權益輪那只要他一接近我們的這個臨海跟臨街區我們就會做監控然後請航港局以船級國管理方式先廣播那廣播不聽了我們會被船艦去登檢\n那這個部分呢我們這個部分呢對於海面的目標我們是完全可以掌握的這邊特別跟我們報告好那現在齁就我最後一句就好了齁因為時間已經到了齁就是說因為畢竟現在我們有資料庫那有資料庫知道有哪些船隻剛剛講有九十幾艘嘛\n那這個跟AI判斷又是另外一件事AI判斷的意思是說呢即使我們現在有資料庫這些資料庫的船隻跟別的船隻的互動比如說它的AIS這個關了這個馬上開它會不會是一組的就是說有這些判斷之後呢這個資料庫還有擴充的空間我指的是這件事情那因為時間的關係呢我就之後再繼續追蹤這件事謝謝主席謝謝局長跟兩位署長好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.890 --> 00:06.815\n謝謝主席那有請這個有請局長然後還有請這個海巡署署長謝謝好謝謝主席沈委員好謝謝今天移民署有啦順便問一下移民署移民署署長謝謝\n\n00:24.571 --> 00:48.845\n好謝謝那這個我想先問一下移民署因為剛好我剛好才看到啦因為昨天在協調這個案件嘛那我還是想問一下就是說因為陸委會今天有在另外一邊也有在做這個相關的說明那現在因為這個2004年的這個修法它當時有這一個六個月的這樣的一個規定那因為現在呢畢竟就是說已經過了一段時間\n\n00:49.665 --> 01:13.072\n那除了陸委會配套修法之外呢現在在法治上有沒有什麼要特別跟這個民眾說明這件事情首先說明一下就是說我們兩岸的這個人民的這個戶籍我們是單一戶籍製造就是說在台灣地區我們在台灣設有戶籍的國民不得在大陸地區來設有戶籍或領用護照\n\n01:13.792 --> 01:30.750\n那麼這個案子是在兩岸條例是在九十三年的時候有做一個修正那當時就是修正就是說在九十三年以前的這個大陸地區人民必須在六個月內來當時一個溯起的規定\n\n01:34.013 --> 01:48.127\n那這個我們這一次呢這個其實有關這個涉及的這些規定一直以來都是持續在執行那移民署在96年以後才成立\n\n01:50.229 --> 02:03.503\n我們在去年10月是在清理就是說我們在清查的是疫情期間那麼延宕下來有些那麼一直我們都是寬延讓因為兩岸這個當時疫情期間那麼邊境\n\n02:08.327 --> 02:29.193\n這個管制的關係所以沒有回去拿的某一支鹽那也是經過兩年的這個時間我們認為說應該也足夠了那交通也是恢復了很多那所以在去年10月開始就是從疫情期間我們開始來清查那93年以前呢我是想問說93年以前這個因為畢竟當時是六個月這樣的一個規定\n\n02:32.494 --> 02:52.590\n其實那個時間已經過了所以這一次我們還是有考量到說即便是時間已經過了但是已經對於我們這個人民的這個身份的一個認定還是非常的關係重要所以我們這一次是通知說要補繳\n\n02:54.291 --> 03:16.910\n所以也是給予一個三個月的一個時間因為畢竟對他們來講這個取得畢竟時間上都有點困難我知道陸委會有在想說有沒有一些配套的措施是這個部分我們也跟陸委會有在開會議就是說原則上我們通知補繳這個是法律的一個規定那如果我們這些\n\n03:19.512 --> 03:46.582\n對象他在實際上實質上他有面臨到什麼樣的一個困難我們也願意來蒐集他們的意見那這個可能要盡快因為這個人數我看也不少所以可能這個要其實大部分的我們目前我們在台的這個兩岸婚姻的路易配偶是有36萬人那其中已經有涉及的是14萬人\n\n03:47.822 --> 04:08.473\n那我們現在清查出來的大概有1萬出頭的人是沒有講那這個就盡快啦因為我昨天有協調昨天協調之後有時候要配套方案因為我覺得這個畢竟也是涉及到第一個他如果回去有一些人是有危險的是這些我們會做考慮跟委員報告那這個署長在那我們在之後的時候等陸委會這邊的結論出來之後那我再來問\n\n04:09.233 --> 04:37.754\n是是是好謝謝你的說明好謝謝我那我問一下這個局長那局長因為這個最近剛好有這一個軍演那所以軍演這邊呢其實少不了一些輿論上的一些操作那我現在當然比較好奇的事情就是說我知道今天大家都比較關心共諜我現在大概都已經問完了我現在比較關心的反而是這一件就是說第一個他們的文宣攻勢當然還是很多這個網路攻擊在這次的夜報其實有特別提到那因為他們這一次也有做出相關的影片\n\n04:38.374 --> 04:50.997\n那這個影片裡面所用的一些用語其實我覺得跟之前也有也不太相同啦那關於這一件事情不管是他們對我們的軍人的心戰還是輿論戰這一次軍演的部分有沒有什麼在之前有做了什麼應對\n\n04:52.485 --> 05:10.300\n對這一次的演習跟歷來的演習一樣一定都會配合到一些所謂的輿論戰還有爭議訊息的一個操作來加大可能對台灣的文攻武嚇的一個總體的一個成效那就在宣傳的部分可以看到它一些官宣的影音動畫\n\n05:11.181 --> 05:38.877\n似乎這一次的推波的力度比過去來的更大那但就演習本身來講我們有注意到比較像是把例行的演習來做一個拼湊那讓例行的演習變成是一種有針對性對台灣的一個針對性的演習那這也是一個比較新的發展趨勢也就是說在軍事上有這樣的一個新的發展動態那在文宣的操作上影音的操作還有圖卡的操作似乎又是這一次演習一個蠻重要的一個心理戰的重點\n\n05:39.577 --> 06:00.047\n對因為我這次看軍事它相關的一些補給啊什麼等等之類看起來沒有很多啦它就是為期就不會太長的一個演戲但是因為它裡面呢有特別強調這個所謂的台獨分子啦但它以前也會強調沒有錯那在這一次呢在這個軍演之前呢看起來它們相關的一些粉專啊什麼等等之類的台灣的一些在地協力者啊\n\n06:00.407 --> 06:21.782\n都已經特別的再度強調到底誰才是台獨份子嘛誰才應該被懲戒嘛然後又特別在軍演的時候呢用了這些政治性的語言說這個伊斯又是台獨份子又是死路一條啦那我覺得在今年他們因為他們在之前法律戰除了2758號決議之外我覺得他們在今年蠻重要的一點就是再度要把這一個框架\n\n06:22.282 --> 06:45.218\n要說台灣內部才是有真正的敵人就是台獨份子才是造成這一個戰亂的根源看起來他們好像持續要操作這件事情那這件事情我覺得就是說以現在就是我剛剛這個在後面我先台訊我晚點再問就是說我看到有一些公開資料的一些運用譬如說ISP他們最近都會有一些公開資料的一些透明化\n\n06:45.698 --> 07:00.713\n那像我這次看到夜報裡面其實就有一張很不錯的關於網攻的這個圖那于晴其實應該也于晴之前在國安局本來就會固定的一直公佈嘛有時候在夜報有時候是國安局自己這個在媒體上面就直接受訪的時候就會講出來那因為現在\n\n07:01.554 --> 07:26.983\n國外在應對這些輿論戰的時候都有做一些圖像化這個圖像化其實不一定要叫國安局做他可能是外圍的智庫做但國安局這個資料越多越透明他們越能做做了之後就會有一種地圖然後會有時間序列發生了什麼事情他們又操作了什麼輿論其實因為人民在軍演的時候才注意到這個題目的時候要他跟他之前的事件連結沒有那麼容易所以希望國安局能夠再適度地釋出更多的相關的資料\n\n07:27.403 --> 07:49.833\n那這樣可以讓大家對於軍演這件事情有更多的研判那因為時間的關係我再問一下海巡不好意思就是說我看到海巡這一次的這一個你好你好這個因為我看到這個管主委他有提到就是說這一次的又有很多的一些不管是偷渡啊等等之類清廷啊等等的騷擾那這邊呢其實在每一次的聯合立見我們都可以看到相關的這個騷擾情形這邊有一個圖表\n\n07:52.614 --> 08:20.697\n那這個呢也關係到就是之前我在質詢的時候有問過就是說這一次因為有拍到一些影像那這個是我們在去年質詢的時候呢就在內政委員會的時候就一直特別強調有影像其實能夠讓國人更認識這件事情那看起來這件事情持續有在進步所以我現在反而想我問兩件事情因為時間的關係第一個就是因為之前我知道他們都在講什麼密錄器那其實密錄器根本錄不遠嘛像這一次呢是因為距離很近所以才錄到這些相關的衝突\n\n08:21.798 --> 08:45.863\n所以我想問一下關於尤其是在衝突的時候不管是從無人機的拍攝的角度還是說從我們自己的船隻的拍攝的角度因為中國現在開始會操作說這些都是台灣的船艦的問題一些民用船隻的問題我們現在在這邊相關的配置這些不管是監視攝影機等等之類不管是預算還是配置的這個速度現在如何這是第一個\n\n08:46.603 --> 09:07.140\n那第二個呢我就請署長一次回答就好第二個就是呢我們現在我們看到下一個就是關於這個AIS我看到這一次其實在這個海底電纜的時候都有特別提到那我上次有提醒過就是說在海外有做了很多這種譬如說不同的船隻誰的AIS先有誰的又沒有他是不是一組等等之類的他可以做一些AI的研判\n\n09:07.901 --> 09:26.372\n海巡那時候說其實我們也是可以自己做那現在相關的這些不管是在預算上或者在技術上現在有沒有辦法做到這些事情就這兩個問題就好謝謝這邊跟委員報告這樣有關那個金門事件以後我們所有的監視如影器包括艦船艇上面我們現在都已經做完備了\n\n09:27.132 --> 09:47.847\n那特別跟委員報告我們在應對中國的不管是軍演不管是在金門或者是馬爾地區那我們的船艦距離大陸的船艦都非常近那我們最近的曾經到達將近不大一百公尺也就是貼著他們在拍所以我們拍出來效果是非常好的那也展現給國文那這一部分也非常有震撼力這邊特別跟委員報告\n\n09:48.527 --> 10:15.072\n那另外有關航行在我們周邊的權益輪部分我們根據航港局提供的這個權益部分我們完全可以掌握在台灣周邊航行的相關權益輪那我們現在掌握的有96艘中資備檢權益輪那只要他一接近我們的這個臨海跟臨街區我們就會做監控然後請航港局以船級國管理方式先廣播那廣播不聽了我們會被船艦去登檢\n\n10:15.892 --> 10:30.352\n那這個部分呢我們這個部分呢對於海面的目標我們是完全可以掌握的這邊特別跟我們報告好那現在齁就我最後一句就好了齁因為時間已經到了齁就是說因為畢竟現在我們有資料庫那有資料庫知道有哪些船隻剛剛講有九十幾艘嘛\n\n10:30.692 --> 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